Last winter the state gave Lewiston a heads-up: 337 families were about to lose state welfare benefits.
Portland had 237, the second-highest number among all Maine cities, in the same boat.
Those families had nearly hit the state’s new 60-month lifetime limit in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, exhausting benefits. They could apply for an extension or turn to the cities for General Assistance.
In Lewiston, 75 have asked for city help so far. Two-thirds of those applications are pending. Lewiston has already given out nearly $10,000 in benefits to the 24 families approved.
In the past nine months, under new state law:
- TANF has shed 26 percent of its caseload;
- Hundreds of immigrants have been dropped from MaineCare;
- More than 1,000 immigrants have been denied food stamps;
- Still to come: The state has not yet started drug-testing TANF recipients who have felony histories. It hasn’t figured out how.
Advocates for the poor say the reforms have left some people confused and going without. The Governor’s Office says there have been massive savings, with the TANF changes alone set to save millions. Cities say the state’s savings are, in some cases, at their expense.
Lewiston Mayor Robert Macdonald supports people coming off TANF. He bristles at Lewiston supporting them instead.
Yet, if they qualify, they can’t be turned away.
“This is just unbelievable,” Macdonald said Wednesday, pointing to a number of former TANF recipients coming in with no high school diplomas and “absolutely no job skills.”
“Some are still looking for their GED,” he said. “Well, what have you been doing for five years?”
TANF, MaineCare reforms
The TANF cuts were part of Gov. Paul LePage’s spring 2011 budget. Under it, the state drew a firm line at 60 months for families receiving aid, which averages $400 a month. It also imposed the Full Family Sanction, according to Michael Frey, deputy director of the Department of Heath and Human Services’ Office for Family Independence. Before, if a parent violated program rules, benefits continued at a reduced amount for the children’s sake.
Now, at the second violation, the entire family is dropped.
In January, as those changes started taking effect, Maine had 14,109 families receiving TANF benefits.
Last week, that caseload had declined to 10,464, the lowest number in years.
The state picks up roughly 15 percent of TANF costs, according to the Office of Fiscal Program Review. The balance is paid by a federal block grant.
Maine is on pace to save $2.5 million with the reduced caseload, Frey said.
Just over 2,900 households have received notice of an impending 60-month sunset so far. Frey said 549 have successfully asked for up-to-six-month extensions for reasons such as caring for a disabled family member and documented evidence of domestic abuse. Another 351 people have asked and been denied.
Robyn Merrill is concerned about the number not seeking extensions.
A January 2011 survey by the University of New England and the University of Maine found “nearly 90 percent of folks who were getting TANF for 60 months or longer were managing a disability within the family, either the parent themselves had a work-limiting disability or a child or another family member had a disability,” said Merrill, a policy analyst with Maine Equal Justice Partners. “It’s concerning that more people haven’t applied for or received an extension, just based on what we know.”
She isn’t sure if the process isn’t clear, if people are not being told they can apply or if they’re being discouraged.
“We’re hearing that people are having different experiences in different offices in different parts of the state,” Merrill said.
Tina Hutchinson, 45, of Lewiston, said she scrambled after getting her 60-month notice this spring. Hutchinson has a 12-year-old son with special needs. He was born without soft spots in his skull, had surgery as a baby, and has behavioral and medical issues now.
“I’ve tried working periodically over the years. I would get called at work to get my son,” she said. “Day care couldn’t handle him, then the schools couldn’t handle him.”
She was told she couldn’t apply for an extension based on his care: He is in school now, though she gets frequent calls. Hutchinson applied instead based on her own health. She’s awaiting word from Social Security on her request to receive disability benefits.
The extension process was confusing and intensive, she said. Hutchinson needed letters from her neurologist, pulmonologist, primary doctor and pain management specialist.
Her benefits expired in June. She received a six-month extension until November. TANF pays for her family’s rent, medical co-pays and gas.
She’s been warned that “the second extension is going to be a harder sell,” Hutchinson said. “My health hasn’t gotten any better, but I’m still at the mercy of Social Security.”
Frey has heard the complaints about the process. For continuity, two program managers have reviewed every extension request, he said, though staff in the regions are now being trained.
About 100 to 150 sunset letters continue to go out each month as people near that 60-month TANF limit.
Also part of last year’s welfare changes:
- No more traditional MaineCare for legal non-citizens who have been in the country less than five years. Last October, 510 individuals who had coverage were moved to emergency-only status. Another 423 have applied for MaineCare and been granted emergency-only coverage. Some others have been denied.
Maine Equal Justice Partners and the American Civil Liberties Union of Maine sued DHHS over that change in April. The suit is pending in federal court in Bangor.
- Since January, 1,210 legal non-citizens who’ve been in the country less than five years have been denied Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits, also known as food stamps. Those in the program before January were grandfathered.
Figures were not available for the number of legal non-citizens denied TANF under the changes.
- DHHS continues to work on ways to implement drug-testing of TANF recipients who have had a drug-related felony since 1996, Frey said.
Issues of it being cost-effective and legal have cropped up.
“I think it’s been a little more of a challenge than we had anticipated, but we continue to work on it because it is on the books and we need to find a way,” he said.
A spokeswoman in Gov. LePage’s office said the governor continues to support that provision.
‘An incensed taxpayer’
Since the TANF changes took place, Portland has seen only one application from someone who timed off that program and is now seeking General Assistance from the city, said spokeswoman Nicole Clegg. Twenty-seven other families who had been receiving both TANF and GA benefits are now receiving more GA, having left TANF. That has cost the city $26,730.82 so far.
In Auburn, Dorothy Meagher, director of health and social services, has seen 16 new applications.
Maine towns are required by statute to offer General Assistance for basic needs, and there isn’t a timed shut-off for families, she said. Auburn has spent $8,683 so far on those new applicants.
The state does reimburse cities for a portion of their GA costs.
“We knew this was going to increase (the budget) some, but this was more than we expected,” Meagher said. “We’re paying for a lot more diapers — we never budgeted that much for diapers before.”
In Lewiston, those 75 former TANF families applying for GA represent 361 people. Twenty-four applications have been approved and the city has paid $9,296.94 in benefits so far to them.
Mayor Macdonald says the city has, in a sense, gotten lucky: Many of the former TANF recipients live in subsidized housing. If Lewiston had to kick in GA money to pay for full rent, that bill might be $25,000 to $30,000.
In July, he wrote a letter to Gov. LePage asking for an investigation of TANF administrators who oversee its ASPIRE program. He asked how people could receive help for 60 months and not leave with job skills or enough English to easily communicate with General Assistance staff. Macdonald said he was told the governor would look into it.
“I run meetings, I break ties, but I also have the power of the bully pulpit. I consider myself an incensed taxpayer,” he said. “No one really cares what happens here — we have to care for ourselves.”
Macdonald met with the local legislative delegation Wednesday, rallying them, he said. He’s looking to the Legislature for help.
State Rep. Peggy Rotundo, D-Lewiston, the leading Democrat on the Appropriations Committee, said she could foresee the cost-shift coming to cities.
A 26 percent decline in the TANF caseload “indicates to me that those costs have been shifted to the local community and that the needs of those people have not gone away,” Rotundo said.
Maine needs to focus on stimulating job creation, releasing bond money, investing in roads and bridges, and research and development, she said. “We need to figure out how we’re going to solve this problem of making sure that people have employment. To slash programs when there’s no place for people to go doesn’t solve the problem.”
Adrienne Bennett, spokeswoman for Gov. LePage, said some TANF savings will be reinvested into training and transitional programs.
“The governor believes in a quality safety net for our most vulnerable and also empowering Mainers to become self-reliant,” she said.
Bennett said tightening eligibility requirements and capping the length of time General Assistance can be used for housing would help reduce those costs. Both would need legislative buy-in.
“The bottom line is that the LePage administration is trying to give municipalities the tools they need to rein in GA spending that is crippling (their) budgets,” she said.
A statewide working group that’s been tasked to find savings and suggest changes in the General Assistance program is also set to hear a proposal soon from one of its subcommittees, Merrill said: Whether to recommend an extension of TANF benefits for people working toward employability. It could be one way to shift some cost from GA back onto the TANF program.
With such a change, the rolls could go back up. According to TANF rules, it’s possible to hit 60 months, leave and apply for an extension later to get back on the program.



It looks like the good Governor’s common sense has produced a positive result – keep a laser focus on fraud & keep up the good work!
The United States has been slashing welfare programs for decades now, and throughout the same time has been consistently reducing taxes for the rich. We already have a terrible safety net compared to, say, Canada and their people are healthier, happier, and their economy is doing much better.
Ronald Reagan would be too liberal for the GOP these days.
Trickle down doesn’t work. George H.W. Bush called it “voodoo economics.”
The Republican philosophy, wrapped in tricky words like “freedom” and the “American way,” is a crowd-manipulating tactic that makes the rich richer and punishes everyone else.
It’s cruel. It’s blind. 50 million Americans, lacking health insurance, cannot afford to see a doctor. 45,000 Americans die a year for lack of health insurance. Tens of thousands of people lose their homes to pay for medical care.
We call ourselves the greatest country in the world, but we are not. We are sick and unhealthy people, with the wealth distribution of an African dictatorship. The 400 riches Americans have as much wealth as the bottom 140 million. Corporations no longer care about their workers, like they did up into the 1970’s. This is not at all a free market. We live in a corrupt plutocracy. It is amazing that the GOP can get away with passing off so much corporate malfeasance as anything at all like free market capitalism.
Greed has corrupted us, like greed always corrupts. It is common sense. It is also in the Bible. But if the American people don’t wake up and see all the meanness, darkness, pettiness and cruelty that Greed has brought to our sinking Empire, we will continue to sink.
Those “trickey” words you describe seemed to work quite well until crybaby liberals such as yourself came along.
Your selfish attitude that says we need to help these poor people has only driven them deeper into poverty, but you feel really good about YOURSELF for “helping”.
These people don’t need the handouts that feel good liberals advocate.
They need to be taught to fend for themselves in order to leave the bonds of servitude that your ilk have enslaved them with.
So, no amount of income inequality is too much for you?
Exactly…….
No one can fend for themselves and live independently when we are relying on a monetary system that operates outside of the public sphere through private interests and is perpetuated by political parties that avoid talking about the hidden hand that drives inflation and renders savings -the embodiment of our labor- worthless as the value of money drops, income stays the same, and prices sky rocket. As long as private central banks continue to charge the nations that they service compound interest on the imaginary money they conjure out of thin air and appears as arbitrary numbers on a computer screen all of us will continue to have our decisions made for us through our acquiescence into accepting our interdependent world where our self worth is determined by our value of service to an abhorrent system that hides behind words like “democracy” while it steals any real choices we have when we are taught that money is worth more than life itself and that without it we are worthless.
Note also that after years of a flat or negative savings rate,savings have gone up since the crash.
Seems to me it’s the Repubs whinning the loudest. Whine about the number of abusers in the system, but lack the stones to turn them . I wonder how many would be removed from DHHS if people turned in all the abusers they claim.
There would be no one on welfare if that were the case. Most of these commenters are doing nothing but judging others and have no idea who the real “welfare” population are. They are people just like them not the horrible names they are being called.
We need to investigate the conservative money machine instead of worrying about some fool emptying out water bottles a nickel at a time.There’s LOTS of dirt and slime under those rocks.
So what’s the alternative solution other than just leave em by the side of the road and the Recycling Tech will haul em off !!! then it’s just out of site out of mind ??
Shame on you….Heartless ,unfeeling .
Someday may you walk in a poor man’s shoes…
Bloomberg News has a state-by-state misery index with Mississippi leading. Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Arkansas round out the top five. Four out of five are Republican-dominated southern states. Sometimes it seems like Governor LePage looks south for inspiration.
Bloomberg News?
Bloomberg is on the list of the top richest 400 people in America….democrat too.
Michael Bloomberg is a former Democrat that switched to Republican and than switched to an Independent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg
Of course-that’s where he’s taken his vacation and where his little Gilligan buddy Bragdon took off to as soon as he could.Not to mention Rick Scott and Allen West.I’m sure the Maine taxpayers won’t mind paying for Paulie’s new house in 2014.
You hit it right on the nail, I remember the 60’s, corporations prided themselves on how many Americans they could put into middle class. You have described what has happen exactly. Good post.
The president believes that its time for other places in the world to develop their middle class. He believes in this form of worldwide redistribution of capitalism / wealth.
This is why he uses green initiatives, global warming, carbon tax etc. to this advantage, and actually outsourced these millions upon millions of stimulus dollars.
Americans have got to get used to a lower standard of living.
If you notice the president has not really emphasized that Americans will have the same standard of living under his administration?
That’s because he believes other places in the world need a piece of our pie.
Also there really are very few people who believe the democrats are anti corporation or big business more than republicans….LOL….look at the corruption in the Obama administration, and how Media Matters (George Soros controlled and funded) is used as the state run media source (MSNBC as well).
Here is one example;
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/emails-reveal-justice-dept-regularly-enlists-media-matters-to-spin-press/?fb_action_ids=417659491628246&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=246965925417366
Here are the 400 richest Americans who hold more wealth than 150 million Americans…and guess how many support the democratic party?
I think the number was close to 300.
The president who is worth over 10 million himself is like me?
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/
Also, the president believes in this type progressive socialist belief in nation building.
Americans used to generally hold to the belief that if some one wanted our form of freedom and wealth they would somehow get to the US.
This does not mean the US should not help other countries, but that we were unique, and we took the people no one else wanted and made the greatest of free nations.
Let’s see.. Bush/Cheney specifically tried to “nation build” in Iraq and Afghanistan.. Obama was pilloried by the repubs for not invading Libya and Syria.. hmm.. who’s the nation builders? By your definition Bush/Cheney were socialists. Troll much?
HA HA Daily Caller has been discredited more times than anyone can count.And Steve Forbes(another rich man’s egotistical and uncaring son-sound familiar?)ran for President and failed miserably.Americans are smarter than that-at least those that consume real news.
Greed is also a huge motivating factor in those that ABUSE the welfare system. Not saying all do, I know there are those out there that need the system. Leave the elderly and truly disabled alone. But start somewhere and start now.
more blather from the left
Copy and paste.
Your claim the welfare programs have been slashed for decades is untrue. They have been redone and reworked and requirements have been changed but slashed is inaccurate.
The latest example of an actual increase is welfare is the number of people being added to the medicare roles nationwide as a result of Obamacare.
If you in all righteous glory abhor the United States to the extent as you claim to,then why not immigrate to a nation more to your liking ? I noticed you mentioned”canada” as a place of untold health and happiness ! why not go there ??? Indeed,go north sprucedweller !
Your animosity displayed for our great nation and state convinces me that you should leave this unholy “sinking empire” at once ! be sure to take many likeminded people with you.I am sure the only people that will miss you are the nice workers at the TANF office.
Probably co-workers would be a better name.
Based on his or her rants SpruceDweller would find North Korea to be a perfect place to live.
Ya know, all your supposed slashing wouldn’t be necessary with a president who can actually create jobs. The ignorant socialist in the WH is deliberately creating a welfare country & it is creating social unrest. Your post is proof positive.
Last time your team had a POTUS he lost a record number of jobs. While this POTUS has added jobs, not nearly enough, to be sure, but the numbers don’t lie; and yet you think we should all go back to a party that was hemorrhaging jobs when last they were in charge?
Yeah, no thanks.
There are only 300-400k more jobs than when Obama took office. Another 60k jobs if you count the ones the stimulus created in China in the “green energy” sector.
Simply untrue. But feel free to live in your own reality. It seems to be where you are the most comfortable.
and if that laser is strong enough it would just vaporize em all would be his wish BUT we have laws to not just eliminate indiscriminately :-/
Maine for years as been know as the welfare state drawing folks from other states. Folks who don’t seem to care to look for work. They settle in Maine to continue their quest for free-bees. Maine has families who carry on the same agenda from generation to generation. That is a cycle that needs to stop….
Education is really the answer. To keep the young in school to graduate. Schools that offer job skills to give those people a headstart in life, so they can stay employed. A lot of kids can’t afford college or not up to that challenge for higher education. But they are good with their hands and willing to work hard to learn a trade. Trades in this country is what drives the economy. Maine needs to support that effort..
While some have abused the system, it makes it hard for those who are trying to do the right thing.
I can recall seeing a young couple at a grocery store purchaseing $77.00 worth of Lobsters with food stamps. I’ll never forget it becaue lobsters are a luxury I haven’t and couldn’t afford with my income thru the years. Yet, my tax dollars and our government in Augusta allowed it. I was under the impression food stamps were for necessity foods like store name brands that are cheaper to make food stamps stretch a little further…….
I’ve heard this story for years. It has different quirks but it is always a “young” (single or couple) and the money si between $40 and $90
It must be an old story, because in case you haven’t noticed Lobster is selling below the price of beef Salmon, or Haddock.
If you want a lobster honey, now is the time to buy!
When you consider the actual amount of editable meat in a lobster and the amount of waste vs beef Salmon, or Haddock then Lobster is NOT less expensive.
By the way, salmon isn’t exactly cheap either and is another luxury that people on food stamps should not be buying. There are other kinds of fish that are less than half the price.
Vocational/Trade Schools in Maine today are a JOKE. I took the two year program at UTC back in high school for culinary arts/hospitality and the best job I could find right out of high school was washing dishes at pizza hut. Nor could I gain admittance to the culinary schools down south, even with a grade in the mid 90s from UTC
Vocational training needs to start before the Junior year, and the material needs to be altered to make the students more attractive to colleges/employers.
Being in retail myself I have seen many abuses of the food stamp program. Like buying a $68 birthday cake or a $128 wedding cake with them. To me, these are not items that are necessary. I go from paycheck to paycheck not knowing if I am going to have money left to buy NEEDED groceries after the bills are paid. And it brings to mind a conversation I heard while at work. One person asked another “Why are drinking that kind of energy drink?” The person who was drinking it replied “Because it’s the only kind I can buy with food stamps.” This is the kind of abuse of the system that makes my blood boil.
Is Maine finally going to get recognized as a welfare state that is not so easy to get great and easy benifits from?
I am originally from Southern New England and I like to read the online newspapers from there. My question is this. If we think that Maine is such a magnet for people who are just looking for handouts; then why are folks from other communities complaining the very same thing?
Probably because the complainers are too busy complaining and reading each other’s complaints to find out anything else.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_Biggest_US_Welfare_States?slide=15
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html
Simple to find out.
If you don’t want to read, I’ll tell you.
2. Maine
% of pop. on assistance: 2.37%
2008 spending: $61.73 million
Total recipients (July 2008): 31,148
% Change in past 12 months: 5.3%
Unemployment (May 2009): 8.3%
Maine has the second highest percentage of welfare recipients in the nation. Only California beats us.
These are 2007 figures, but there is no reason to believe a change has
Actually Maine has one of the lowest TANF benefits in New england. It is a myth that people come here for the benefits. They don’t.
They most certainly do move to Maine for the benefits…
http://www.sunjournal.com/approved/story/1067660
DOVER, N.H. — Bree Messier has found everything she needs for her children through Maine’s health care program.
The Berwick, Maine, resident moved from Somersworth in 2006 and says
she remains in Maine for the health care coverage, with all three of her
children currently on MaineCare.
Maine law requires that anyone who applies for help in the “service communities” and qualifies cannot be refused help from those cities.
Someone needs to find out how the dedicated, hard working public servants who run the ASPIRE program have allowed people to be on it for 5 years and aspire to nothing more than ride the couch. Maybe those leeches need to find somewhere else to draw a paycheck too,
Absolutely! And wasn’t that during Baldinni’s reign of fiscal terror on the middle class? Higher taxes and more handouts. If people receive assistance and choose to do nothing to improve their lot in life, I feel no obligation to continue supporting them.
I know a person who was in the aspire program when we were in college. He/she picked up about $300.00 worth of chemistry books at the bookstore; went to the class a few times then ‘dropped’ it, took the unopened books back to the bookstore and was given a cash refund. Shouldn’t the ‘aspire’ program have been ‘credited’ back. Yes, someone needs to look into that useless freebie as well.
I know someone who receives TANF and is in the ASPIRE program as well. Has a job but misses about 1 day out of 3 and has come up with the most asinine and dumb excuses imaginable for not showing up. Has actually bragged that if she misses a day TANF or ASPIRE pays her.
By the way, TANF stands for TEMPORARY assistance…does it not? I would say 60 months is more than enough
60 months/5 years is more than temporary. Six months to a year TOPS i think would be more reasonable.
howdy,
The rule is 60 months total lifetime benefits but you have to (or are supposed to) be kicked off after two years of continuous benefits.
Unbelievable that we would kick someone off that has kids and has no job skills to get a job. So now my property taxes have to go up instead of having the Federal Gov’t kick in the vast majority of these funds.
Move to China. Federal taxes and State taxes are both paid by guess who? What’s truly unbelievable is thinking Government money is free.
Best comment here!
One great way for these sofa surfers with no skills to save a pantload (pun) of money is to learn the skill of washing out cloth diapers! The price of those disposable things is ridiculous!
Great idea, but that would mean they would have to stop texting or playing with the remote to the TV, plus they might get those poor little hands dirty …………….. but other then that Great idea!
The Federal Gov. is also your tax money. They just take it in a different way. Where are the father or fathers of all these kids?
atlanta.
They’ve only had 5 years to complete their education and learn some skills….
All its hurting are the kids.
Subject: [bdn] Re: State welfare roll plummets; needy turn to Maine cities
they should have thought of that before having so many kids.
So that’s the kids fault I suppose? Oh yeah that’s right lets not abort them but lets not aid them once they are born either. Just the continued war on the poor. Lets keep giving billions to corporations for corporate welfare is better. I’d rather my taxes go to aid the poor, children, elderly and disabled than corporate welfare.
remove the children from the parents custody.
obviously the parents can’t afford them, so take the kids away. foster care, maybe some orphanages?
problem solved.
You don’t want to pay for AFDC but will pay for foster care and orphanages? Yeah right.
Subject: [bdn] Re: State welfare roll plummets; needy turn to Maine cities
AFDC doesn’t exist anymore. Long Gone.
I think it’s great!
if people come here for the sole purpose of collecting welfare benefits, then that is exploiting a system that was set up to help truly needy people.
kick them off the system, they’ve been here long enough, collected long enough, and would continue to collect perpetually if they could.
Yep every man or women or child for themselves.
Subject: [bdn] Re: State welfare roll plummets; needy turn to Maine cities
um. yes.
you make your own way through life, you rise and fall on your own merits. don’t think that just because you’re a lazy individual that people have to help you. they don’t.
welcome to the real world.
Now Maine cities has to refuse to support them too. When there is nobody left to support them, they will either have to get a job or leave. Don’t really care which.
Unbelievable that there are people like you in this world. Hope you never need help getting through life.
Subject: [bdn] Re: State welfare roll plummets; needy turn to Maine cities
There’s the problem. There is a big difference between needing a little help and making a career out of welfare. Did you read the article? There are people that have been on welfare for 5 years and still haven’t found the ambition to get a GED. They can get it for free.
This country is getting very close to the non-taxpayers outnumbering the tax payers. When that finally happens there will be no recovery because their votes will out number ours.
Do you think needing help should be a 5 or more year ordeal?
I do especially when it comes to children. Some people don’t want to abort them but when they are born noone wants to offer help. Can’t have it both ways. I’d rather have my tax payer funds go towards helping a mother with children that giving Corporate welfare to businesses like oil who rake us over the coals and make billions to boot. There’s more Corporate welfare than human welfare.
Subject: [bdn] Re: State welfare roll plummets; needy turn to Maine cities
Forty eight years of LBJ’s “war on poverty”, and all we have to show for it is ……..more poor people.
This is the war that should be protested, scrutinized, and stopped.
Imagine how many Einsteins, Fords, Teslas, and Edisons have not been stimulated to create because they found it easier to sit on the couch and draw a cheque.
THAT is the real failure of the war on poverty.
….”how many Einsteins, Fords, Teslas, and Edisons have not been stimulated
to create because they found it easier to sit on the couch and draw a
cheque.(sic)”
NONE
I don’t think Einstein did it for the money. Actually when he did do it, he was a government worker, working in a Swiss patent office. He even had a liberal arts degree. Isn’t that ironic?
Sixty months for TANF??? Give me a break! How about SIX months! I might even go with Twelve. It’s time to make
Thank you, Governor LePage.
Mayor MacDonald is correct. If someone has been on welfare for 5 years, and still has not obtained a GED, that is a problem. Obviously these people thought the free ride would never run out and had no intention of bettering themselves.
Also, if someone drops out of school without graduating they should not be eligible for welfare. As soon as someone drops out of school, they have every intention of the rest of us supporting them. It’s a free education (provided by the tax payers) for them, so if they don’t have the ambition to graduate it should automatically opt them out for assistance of any kind.
Birth control is free too, so there is no excuse, other than lack of responsibility, for having children that people knew they couldn’t afford in the first place.
It sounds like importing immigrants to Lewiston is not working out either. Perfect.
Your statements are dead wrong.Some one who drops out of school, they have intention of the rest of us supporting them.I know a few people(back in the 70’s that left school, supported there family who was on welfare and got them of the welfare plus got an education.Worked 4 jobs so the family could stay of welfare.
Back in the 70s???? We are talking the here and now. This generation has a higher percentage of lazy people than the generation you speak of!
Back in the 70’s there were still some people who had self respect, a work ethic, jobs were easier to come by and welfare wasn’t as grand as it is today. With all due respect, you present an argument that just won’t fly in today’s world.
I agree with you, but also would say that todays technology has taken away lots of jobs.So people back in the 70s will not have the job skill that is needed for today.
That’s all well and good but most people can’t even find one job right now
I might remind you that Quentin Tarantino, Dave Thomas, joe pesci, chris rock, john travolta, jim carrey, nicholas cage, and simon cowell all dropped out of high school to pursue other interests.
they worked hard, and eventually got to where they are.
There is a good plan, quit school to become a hollywood star, why didn’t I think of that??
dave thomas was the founder of wendys. not a hollywood star.
and there are plenty of other examples of people that didn’t graduate high school but went on to be very successful individuals.
So denying them welfare benefits would not adversely impact them one bit and would in fact have provided significant incentive for them to succeed.
There is the key, “they worked hard”.
I don’t care if anyone drops out of school, just don’t turn around and expect the rest of to support them because of their poor decisions.
People who aren’t employable because they spent their education years stoned or knocked up because that was more fun, shouldn’t be supported by the responsible people who had the ambition to prepare for their future.
Well, a lot of the folks really can’t get a GED (which in some ways is harder than getting a high school diploma) and, in fact, quite a few of the folks on welfare were slow learners from the get go. All is not lost, however, since many jobs do in fact not require much education. So truck driving, landscape/road work, farm laborer are among many options available.
True. But slow learners have no excuse either. Teachers will give students all the help that they need to keep up with the other students, or perhaps a slow learner needed to repeat a grade or two. It all comes down to personal responsibility, something that the liberals have done away with, whether someone is drug addict, robs a pharmacy, spent the last 5 years on welfare, or whatever, it’s not their fault.
Finally, this state is changing the mommy’s apron strings attitude.
I saw the term “Legal” non-citizens but I didn’t see Illegal Immigrants used in the article,so No the word ILLEGAL didn’t jump out at me.
That occurred to be also. But you know that Immigrants in our politically correct world can be Illegal or legal. The rules for state officials to determine the legality are pretty vague.
I don’t think it’s the State’s call to determine an immigrant’s status. I believe that’s a function of the Federal Government. There are many people working in this country who are here legally but have not yet obtained citizenship. I’ll take “Politically Correct” over ignorance anyday.
There are also many here illegally upwards of 10 million that the states have no power to check on. My point was legal and illegal are covered under the term Immigrant in the story. It is ignorant to ignore the difference.
Michaela makes a good point about houltonborn’s comment, which sounds angry, derogatory, and maybe racist:
“As for illegal immigrants..does the word ILLEGAL jump out at anyone
else? Stop hauling boatloads of Somalians and other refugees into
cities and dumping them.”
“Maine is on pace to save $2.5 million with the reduced caseload, Frey said.” More tax cuts available for LePage’s rich buddies!
That statement would have been like saying, another $2.5 million spend to increase the caseload for more tax increases available for Baldacci welfare friends.
Do you mean the “Worst” Governor ever elected in the history of Maine, is his name Paul LePage – YUP, that is the guy with that honor.
Baldacci retired the trophy for worst governor. Let’s look at some of his accomplishments…
– “Balanced” the budget by giving away the state liquor business to connected Dem insiders at a frie sale price that is costing Maine tens of millions of dollars annually to this day.
– His DHHS “lost” over $100,000,000 (that’s one hundred million dollars) and to this day no one knows where it went.
– His Mainecare billing system flushed $80,000,000 (that’s eighty million dollars) down the toilet for a system that NEVER worked and had to be scrapped.
– He flushed another $40,000,000 (that’s forty million dollars) away on a Mainecare billing system that barely worked at all and causes continued problems with billing and reimbursements.
– He “balanced” the budget by not paying Maine hospitals over $300,000,000 (that’s three hundred million dollars), some of those bills were over 5 years old and resulted in health care businesses closing and people losing their jobs.
– His signature program Dirigo health never met ANY of the stated goals and cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.
Compared to Bladacci LePage is a freaking genius.
It’s amazing that people forget what a loser Baldaci was.
Somehow we need to find a way to help the children without bothering with the parents.
Workhouses, that’s the answer! I see a business opportunity here!
Ah, yes, workhouses and town farms, those out of the way places where the poor could rot away without bothering or being seen by proper “legitimate” people.
Scrooge: “I help to support the establishments (prisons and London’s Union Workhouse) I have mentioned – they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.” Gentleman soliciting for a poor relief fund: “Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.” “If they had rather die” said Scrooge, “they had better do it and reduce the surplus population….”
It’s amazing all the Moms that were once on TANF are out there working now or at least have their bum boyfriends contributing to the welfare of their children.
I raised a large family never took TANF, food stamps, fuel or housing assistance. Matter of fact I wasn’t even aware of all those programs.
The relentless war on the poor goes on. The patting on the backs has begun. But, who really is wise enough to separate the wheat from the chaff here. The jobs many unskilled could do have been shipped overseas or eliminated. Maine is unique in it’s need to help people, we have winter, we have long distances between hamlets. But for what little money that actually is not spent, twice that will be spent from elsewhere. I do think, in this great United States, it is a far tear laden shame, to read this war on the poor. I am beginning to think the problem lies in the fact that they, the Feds and State, can not come up with a joint Federal/State plan, or joint effort of full understanding to handle this. The Federals shucks it off to the States, and shuts off enough funding, the State reacts in a knee jerking action to target the poor to save a few dollars. In the meantime Snowe and Collins hide in DC, seemingly unaware of all this, and who suffers, not them. If we are truly such a Great Country, why are children going to bed with no supper??
The war is not against “poor” it is against those who believe it is their right to stick their hand out and have it covered with a check. This system is a proven failure as we see the fourth generation on welfare (since Lyndon Johnson’s “war on poverty” started handing out money.) Each year the number of these folks increases.
I believe that so called “social service agencies” who choose to bring foreign nationals to Maine should be financially responsible for them until they are self sufficient. Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for the burden brought here by do-gooders? Why should Maine citizens have to wait behind them?
If we concentrated on our local problems we would be well able to fix them. Of the 288 poorest counties in the nation NONE are in the north east. That suggests our problems are manageable IF we don’t give away the store to interlopers in religious garb.
” If we are truly such a Great Country, why are children going to bed with no supper??”
because of politicians, and liberals.
people that believe that we need to be feeding other countries, even while the people in our own starve.
we send Billions, if not trillions of dollars in “foreign aid” overseas every year.
our politicians are the ones that sign that money away.
and liberals are the feel-good fools that think that we’re the greatest country in the world, so we need to send our money elsewhere to the “less fortunate” in other countries.
charity starts at home.
stop the foreign aid.
I understand that one of the problems we have is that folks on the dole, to include their kids, are obese and overweight at rates higher than the national average. Given, easy eligibility for food stamps, numerous food pantries and USDA giveaways, and school programs…how can there be hungry kids??? Unless, the parents are eating all their food, maybe? Sorry, I don’t buy the studies which are promulgated by advocates or sympathizers. I have heard a countering statistic that our welfare folks are better off than 95% of the world’s population.
” why are children going to bed with no supper??”
In most cases because Mom and/or Dad are out drinking, partying and getting a new tat instead of making meals and parenting.
Wow look at Lewiston, I see bringing a bunch of people from another country really does some good.. Notttttttttttttt..
And in the other Maine communities, you can see a bunch of people from this country doing good, like boozing and doping POT. Notttttttttt…
Yes, you have them lazy bums too..
And in the last Century, they came from another country – Canada.
Many could not speak English, but they filled the mills in LA – jobs that the GOP eventually sent to another country.
Those Franco-Americans gave us a rich heritage in “Loiston”.
and Paul LePage.
Yessah
Yes, but they brought Molson with them….
And Tim Hortons. Fair trade.
they came because the jobs were here.sending the lobs away was a bi-partisan endeavor
jobs? here? in lewiston? really?
And they all learned english and the country was not required to provide interpreters to enable them to apply for and receive a myriad of social services, eh.
The Somalis in Lewiston are political refugees – not guest workers.
They came here to save their lives – not steal your job.
Buy a clue.
Yessah
nope, guess again.
they originally settled in Atlanta, Georgia, but when the welfare ran out and the area they settled in became too violent, they searched for the next best welfare capital of the u.s.
Maine.
They were refugees – try again.
Yessah
The problem is they steal everything BUT a job.
Prove it
Yessah
Good, now learn english. I said nothing about stealing jobs did I? There is a difference between an attitude of entitlement versus one of opportunity.Finish your kool-aid .
The Francos didn’t require the government to teach them in French and they didn’t require us to house, clothe, and feed them. Big difference. I welcome anyone who wants to make their own way.
They provide jobs for sociology majors. A real economic boost to the area.
That is true.. If you are a social worker, the Samali’s will keep you busy…
and it provides jobs for interpreters… lots of them.
The needy had plenty of money to waste on buying fireworks this past summer.didnt they.
$2.5 million saved out of a $6 billion budget. What’s that .0033%? This is just red meat for the governor’s self righteous tea party supporters and does very little to address our budget problems. So much for the soft targets.
so where does that reasoning end?
a few million here and there?
hey, why not invite more people into the state to collect welfare.
I mean, it’s only a few million right?
that stuff adds up, and when you have a welfare system as good as ours, people flock here to exploit it.
Just trying to bring a little perspective into the debate. Far too many people in this state are under the impression that if we can just reign in welfare, our fiscal problem will be over. It is literally a very small drop in a very large bucket. We should take a hard look at what subsidizing “public assistance” wages by big corporate America actually costs us. No one can exist in 2012 America on $7.50 an hour, part time without a ton of “government cheese”. It is one heck of a lot more than $2.5 million.
40% of the population are paying for the other 60%
as the gap between those 2 numbers grows, what reason is there to work?
Are you aware of just how many of that 60% go to work everyday? They just don’t earn enough to pay taxes, nor should they. Unlike Mitt Romney, I do not believe we can balance our budget and wipe out our debt by pounding the pathetic little paychecks of those 60% that you disdain. My point was that not only do they not pay any taxes, but they are eligible for all government assistance programs, as they should be. Big corporate America and skin flint employers are stealing the tax payers blind with their “public assistance” wages. Where is the outrage about this from the right? The $2.5 million they saved by kicking the chair out from under single mothers is a joke when compared to the savings we would see if these cheap corporations were forced to pay a living wage. Spare me the $10 hamburger argument. Low wages kill the middle class and they kill small business. The only ones who benefit from it are the top 1% and their political lap dogs.
DHHS overall accounts for 45 percent of all spending in the state budget.
I’ll ask you then. How much of that budget goes toward supporting people who work for skin flints that pay “public assistance” wages. Here is a guess. The $2.5 million saved by kicking the chair out from under single mothers is a drop in the bucket. The state should calculate what it takes to have a roof over your head, groceries in your belly, and health care if you get sick. Then adjust the minimum wage to that level. It is about half that now.
Why don’t you start a business and pay people a living wage then? What’s stopping you from hiring people at $20 per hour, or even 50$ per hour? Plus full benefits of course.
I had my own construction business for years and my guys made a living wage. I took great pride in the fact that they did not have to go beg for food stamps and heat assistance after putting in a hard week’s work for me. I could have worked them cheap and put the difference in my pocket, but I didn’t consider that very American.
Good for you. Why did you stop?
I just down sized due to a slow economy. I work alone now and will probably stay that way until I retire. I have no mortgage, no vehicle payments, no credit card debt, and I manage to make a pretty decent living, even in this economy. I like the stress free life. I seem to laugh a lot more.
Actually, the state spends more per year on tax expenditures than the entire state budget…
“Study: Tax breaks exceed state spending”
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2010/11/15/politics/study-tax-expenditures-exceed-state-spending/
I would be all for removing ALL special tax breaks and lowering the rate to whatever it should be to raise even less money than is currently being raised (since you could get rid of the state employees currently employed administering the tax breaks). You’ll never see it though as politicians of all stripes would never give up the tax breaks. Those special favors are the coin of the realm and are used to reward their favored groups.
“(since you could get rid of the state employees currently employed administering the tax breaks).”
Always angling with the end goal in mind eh?
Im sure a rightwing corporatist like you would love to get rid of the Maine State employee union, one of the last rightwing / corporatist chess moves towards privatizing government and cementing the Corporate State.
What’s next?
Load them on the trains to debtor prison?
we dont call it “debtors prison” we call it Massachusetts
Why don’t you and the ” world owes me something ” crowd start a fund drive that you all contribute to ? Then the working class won’t have to support everyone. Isn’t that a good idea?
Spare us your whining, ath20. Those on welfare work harder to support themselves and their families than a person like you could ever dream of working.
You claim that “the working class” is supporting welfare moochers, when in reality it’s the members of the working class who are being forced to collect welfare because they’re unable to make ends meet – thanks to the income inequality and ruined economy that the corporate wealthy rightwing created for us all.
You don’t have a clue who you’re talking to do you boy? You actually make me laugh. Probably never worked a day in your punk life. I’d almost bet you’re one of those that I’m supporting every day.
That is 100% garbage.
Most of them work harder at not working than they would have to if they actually got a job.
I DID!
I supported you deadbeats for 30 + Years!It”s called Social Security!!!!!Turn your benefits in before you bictch about it!
How was that drive today to work?
See any Muslim Terrorist?
LOL
Do you really think that you can survive Antigovernment Chaos with a pickup truck, a six pack of beer and a hunting rifle?
Ever see the movie Hunger Games… Just sayin… Helping people is one thing, making them dependent on the Govt is another.
Soy lent green anyone ??
Uh, The Hunger Games is an allegory of Occupy Wall Street, not the Tea Party.
The Capitol is the 1%, the Districts are the 99%. The enslaved common people slave away for the benefit of the wealthy, and any attempt at rebellion is brutally put down.
You didn’t just miss the point of the books (or the movie), you got it completely and entirely 180° backwards.
That’s how YOU interrupt it. I got a different feel from it. Just look at the
Capitol… Bunch of freaks…. they didn’t look the 1% to me. They look more
like Andy Warhol types!
Exon is dependant on the governmet!
Wal-mart is dependent on the government , !
YOU are dependent on the Government!
Without it you would be living in a cave stroking your ring saying ( My Precious) !
Yes, indeed. Think of the military-industrial complex – no better example of thriving on the public dime.
Off with their heads I say.. some would like to go back a dozen centuries if given their choice :-/
LOL
Queen boww8t!
Is that a Drag Queen?
;-)
The audacity of that rich Republican at the Country Club hitting that little white ball when my kids need a box of Pampers! It’s not fair I tell you.
lol!
While you laugh at the poor, on this Sunday, and mock them, I would like to remind you, and all open-minded readers, that 45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of health insurance:
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
Triple it when Obama care takes effect. The waiting line to see the speacialists will be so long people with money will be going oversees for instant care or bribing doctors to get moved up on the list. Ask the Canadiens how much they like “free health care”.
I have asked Canadians, know Canadians and travel to Canada. They are healthier, happier and doing better economically:
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1857600/are_canadians_healthier_than_americans/
But when Obamacare takes effect, the American people will finally have subsidized healthcare, like all other democracies in the world. Te lack of healthcare that is killing 45,000 people a year will be gone.
I’ve talked to Canadians as well, and either I’ve been lied to, you’ve been lied to, or you aren’t telling the truth.
You left out one other possibility. Anyway, here is the second link I am providing in support of my view, from Yahoo Canada:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/canadians-generally-happy-healthcare-system-195734829.html
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Here is an excerpt:
When asked to grade the overall performance of their medical system, most Canadians, 50 per cent, gave a score of “A” (excellent) or “B” very good.
Systems in Luxembourg (69 per cent), Belgium (57 per cent), Switzerland (52 per cent), France (51 per cent), also earned an “A” or “B” score. Conversely, 57 per cent of consumers in Brazil, 44 per cent in Mexico, 37 per cent in the U.S. and 33 per cent of consumers in Portugal give their health care system’s performance a failing grade.
The study also charted the health care expenditures, as a percentage of GDP, of each of the 12 countries researched. Canadians, the report notes, spends 10.4 per cent of their GDP on health care compared to China at 4.7 per cent and the United States at 17.6 per cent.
I’ve worked at the border and tell me why so many buses were bringing up the blue hairs for “lunch” right after the 3rd of the month?And forget about real inspections on the way back.But some schlub with two seeds went away for years.
I take door number 3!
You need a reality check. People will not be getting the healthcare they think they’ll be getting. We will all be getting the minimum. Right now I have BC/BS with a $5000 deductible. I go to the the doctor only when necessary. Health care is expensive, my advice is, don’t get fat and stay away from smoking. There are alternative practitioners out there that cost far less however Obamacare won’t cover it.
Certainly that advice would be great if it worked in every circumstance.Tell that to the family of a two year old with neuroblastoma who has to go to St. Jude’s.
Not yet.We still have a long way to go.Eliminate the insurance cos. and drug markups and then maybe we will have a shot at a fair system.
The 45,000 won’t stop dying.
We will just lower the quality of our health care and the death total from malpractice will go up from almost 200,000 to almost 250,000.
Of course once the government runs things we won’t see the real numbers anymore as they will play the same games they do with the unemployment numbers and the inflation numbers.
The canadians can ‘afford’ al ltheir govt luxuries because WE protected them for the last 65 years. The Canandian military is a joke. I believe it has around 70,000 in it. We could round them up with the Maine Warden’s service.
My daughter works in healthcare and meets Canadians quite regularly. They love their system. The ones unhappy are the Americans who can’t afford insurance for their families.
Note: The Canadians are down here getting their health care….
When they do, it is still paid for by the Canadian system.
Only if they are referred down here by the Canadian system because their own system could not serve them. Like all those getting their cancer care here because the Canadian system has failed.
Those who are tired of waiting for their turn at care, often months or even years, and who choose to come here on their own have to pay for their own care. My wife works health care as well and where she works has Canadian patients who pay cash.
depending on the procedures it is very often is at least a month wait to see a specialist– the canadians have a better system
The Canadians have to wait months in many cases to see a specialist. How can you say that is better?
Aside from the fact that I question your take on the Canadian system, if there are more patients, there will be more doctors. Waiting for a procedure does not mean people will die, unless triage is faulty. Waiting for a doctor is better than having no chance to see one.
Tell that to the Canadians who come here for health care instead of waiting in line in Canada.
Do you think its because they can afford to? Canadians are very happy with their system. If they have to wait then the doctor does not see it and an emergancy and such can wait. But if they can afford do then they can just come down here and get it done sooner. Are you implying that Canadians hate their healthcare system and would rather have ours? Give me a break.
Give example please.
Just because there are more patients in no way guarantees there will be more doctors.
Waiting for a procedure, or even to see a doctor may very well result in death. If you have cancer early diagnosis and treatment is important. If you have waited for months just to see a doctor and to get necessary diagnostic tests done then the cancer may have progressed to a point where it is untreatable.
I know people in Canada who had to wait for treatment and did not die. However they did spend months and even years in some cases dealing with pain and problems that were easily treated once they finally got to see a doctor. Some conditions, especially joint injuries that are relatively minor if treated soon after the injury, can result in permanent disabilities if left untreated for months. Or even result in what would have been easily treated now requiring major surgery to repair because it has healed incorrectly.
Specialist? Who can afford a specialist? We will get to see specialists again? WooHoo!
Your comment falls on deaf Repub ears. They would just as soon everyone that can’t work to line their pockets die and go away.
I think undecided voters, and many Republicans, will be appalled that
“ath20” is mocking and laughing at the sick and the suffering, many of
whom are elderly folks. Despite Medicare, many of the elderly are
losing life-saving to pay Big Pharma or other medical bills.
Frankly I’m appalled , no , make that “pissed” at your comments. Never say that I’m mocking and laughing at the sick and suffering unless you would like to say it to my face. Your political ramblings are sickening when hiding behind that keyboard. As for being a Republican, no I’m not. I always vote for who I think is the best qualified. Too bad you can’t do the same. Your blinders don’t allow it. I don’t know if you’re male or female and frankly I don’t give a rats behind. You’re certainly not a good representative of either.
I would ask you to turn away from the path of anger that possesses you, and to think about the 45,000 people who die a year because they can’t afford health insurance. If we had health insurance, like all other democratic countries, these deaths would not occur.
I expect to be mocked and hated, and often am. I do honestly feel your joke about Pampers was insensitive and cruel. And I’d ask you to think about this passage from the Bible (Matthew 25: 45):
For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I
was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a
stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick
or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
You should never quote anything from the Bible. The only anger I have is having my words twisted by someone like you to fit your political, twisted, weak little mind. You don’t see the difference between the truly poor who need help and those that just love freeloading?Surely you can’t be that blinded. Twisting someones words to benefit your agenda is actually lying. You shouldn’t be quoting scriptures.
At this point, I invite undecided readers to compare your posts to mine, and draw their own conclusions. I am not going to change, and your anger, at this point, is too powerful to give up its hold on you.
Peace.
Your remarks were pretty sarcastic! When you can find a way to separate those who are in despirate need of help from the scammers, let us all know.
Despirate—- Desperate . Oh for godsakes open your eyes and look around yourself.
ath… Whether you know it or not ( and you may be too obtuse to know it ) Spruce just ate your lunch .
You should stop telling people what to do.
I wonder if those 45,000 you mention are American CITIZENS?
Does it mean less if people die without “papers”?
Its less of a concern for me. As one of the many things that do concernme.
yes.
It means that they are the responsibility of the government from which they come and they need to go home. When will people wake up and understand that our rights as AMERICANS are only for us as AMERICANS not anyone anywhere. Please try to assert your AMERICAN RIGHTS in an Arab country and see how quickly they kill you. The benefits and rights that come with the USA should only be granted to US Citizens.
There is no such thing as a 0% death rate.
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
You’re poking a stick at someone that will NEVER listen to what you have to say. She/he continues to spew the same lament no matter the topic. You will always be wrong because you do not agree with what she/he believes.
It’s the maudlin tone that falls on deaf ears.
so stop electing people that send trillions of dollars in “foreign aid” overseas.
So stop voting for people who are giving your hard earned dollars to the same low lifes who are artificially inflating the price of everything you need to survive! Big Corporations and investment bankers don’t need our tax dollars.
that too.
Yet Maine will most likely elect Anguish King to congress. The King of corporate welfare. His wind scam will bankrupt the Maine economy.
Like the trillions that we’ve wasted on Israel for six and a half decades and gotten NOTHING for?I’m happy to start there.
Like the Bushies?
I agree, we all need health insurance, but you forget to mention the Obama-supported abortion in this country which takes MILLIONS of lives each year. Just disgusting. And he voted 4 times against bills to protect babies born accidentally in an abortion. He also voted against parental rights when a minor wants to go across state lines to have an abortion AND he voted for partial birth abortion–something even most Democrats will avoid doing.
And are you going to pay for those millions of babies?Of course not.Eventually the clinic bombers will die off and R v. W will be properly supported.Look at the turnaround in gay rights in less than a decade.
Good reason to kill ’em yours.
This 2009 study by Harvard just rehashed numbers of a 1983/1996 study that showed 18,000 people. Note the year the new study was released. 32,000 people died in auto crashes in 2011.
Get this straight, and don’t twist it to suit you. I am not laughing at or mocking the poor! Got that? This is not about poor people, it’s about those that won’t try to help themselves.So get over yourself and get to Church, it’s Sunday!
Embellish much?
I think most Mainers are only 1 paycheck away from being in the same situation as those kicked off DHHS.
By golly, I think we agree on something. But you know that some are at least trying.
That rich republican should take lessons from Obama. He has averaged a round every 3.7 days since taking office. Sounds like a vacation.
It isn’t fair when you know that Repub is playing Pasture Pool on the dime that LePage scammed to give him that fat tax break.
Seen it too many times with those that continue to have children with no means of supporting a family other than using State money. Good points you made.
We used to say that about horses out in Oklahoma.
5 years on the dole should be enough!
General Assistance pays for disposable diapers? There are such things as cloth diapers. They can be washed and used over and over again. They can be washed out in a sink if a person doesn’t have a washer, and dried on a clothes line if one doesn’t have a dryer. This is a ridiculous expense for disposable diapers at the State or Cities payout.
blath, blah, blah …
Reactionaries have been praying for this condition ever since the adoption of a few progressive principles, first by some states a century ago, and later by the majority of American citizens in the Great Depression. They’ve been working at the destruction of those principles steadily since the end of WWII. It seems to be working. They’ve taught far too many to love myth and hate history. Sinclair Lewis was right: it CAN happen here.
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” – Sinclair Lewis,
Sinclair Lewis may have been wrong. It is today’s left that subscribes to the “May I see your papers please” philosophy of the TSA and the Patriot Act and the Government control of free enterprise and individual initiative in the Fin-reg act.
I have never been so mishandled as in a recent cross-country trip nor declined a loan despite an 800 fico score as I have by current financial regulations.
More like it was the Right, with W. Bush, in the creation of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, etc.
And Im sorry if your loan was denied, I dont see how the recent Frank-Dodd Regulate Wall Street bill denied your loan.
It’s a well known fact that credit is tight right now, and only those with stellar credit are getting the loans at these low interest rates. Corporations are hoarding cash at all time highs. They must be hoarding so much because of all the rightwing hyperbolic-rhethoric of economic uncertainty, they dont dare loan the cash out.
This won’t be easy or pretty. So many are just waiting for their checks. Many have no incentive to work. It’s easier to risk breaking into someones car and stealing cell phones, GPS, CD’s, etc rather than looking for a job. In this weekend paper the article about panhandlers hit home. You see them everywhere and its especially frightening when your wife/ daughter tells you that more than one stranger walked up to them as they were getting into the car at the mall at night and asked them for money. http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/09/21/news/bangor/curbing-panhandlers-wont-be-easy/
Entitlements have to stop for the teens who deliberately get pregnant just to get into the system. Several years ago, 60 Minutes did an article about teen pregnancy and bilking the system. Those statistics have not changed for the better and the free ride needs to come to a halt. It is situations like those, that the Gov. is trying to expose and bring to a screeching halt. Get the cheaters off the system so the truely needy get the help they need.
It’s amazing. I suspect you’ve cut and pasted this exact comment under a dozen different articles.
Poster has an electronic file drawer of canned responses.
No, but I keep references and links to back up what I am saying. I am trying to improve the quality of discussion in these forums. For instance, here is a link that shows the middle class is disappearing as the rich grow much richer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/us/middle-class-areas-shrink-as-income-gap-grows-report-finds.html
Then why are your posts from six months ago the same word for word as the ones today?
Again, I am trying to elevate the level of discussion on these forums. Rather than throw accusations, or make unsupported claims, I attempt to give references and serious arguments. I’d like to see more maturity and good debate in here.
I do use quotes again and again, from links, when I think they are important, such as the following one:
“[The happiest countries] are all borderline
socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth.”
http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/norway-denmark-finland-business-washington-world-happiest-countries_print.html
I’ve found that undecided voters like this information. Forbes, a conservative source, pointing out that welfare is linked to happiness.
Twisted lies are not a good form of debating. You should bow out.
Tell that to Willard.
” Forbes, a conservative source, pointing out that welfare is linked to happiness.”
The problem is that there is no proof of cause and effect between these 2 things. This is a common problem with many arguments used to support positions on both the left and right. Both items may be effects of a third cause. In the case of the countries you use as examples they are all small countries with small and very homogenous populations with a shared common heritage.
Don’t bother. I ran that argument against him/her over a year ago when this post first appeared. I also tried the tact of showing a whole different poll showing a whole different “Happy Country” list. In posters opinion Forbes has the lock on the “happiness list”. ;-)
Where’s your data?
Don’t need to. Poster confessed.
I didn’t think so.
Read poster.. otherwise take some time to search the BDN website… better yet go posters Disqus page.
You’re wrong, I wrote that from the heart this morning. But even if it had been a copied comment, why aren’t you looking at the arguments, trying to answer them reasonably?
Refuting hyperbole with logical reasoned answers is a waste of time. You just discount all arguments with more hyperbole and canned talking points.
Oh, and don’t forget to cite your logical reasoned answers. ;-)
You wrote from something, but it wasn’t your heart.
This all goes back to education. Kids in school need to learn that if they don’t pay attention in school and grab that brass ring, then you will grow up to be a poor ,begging for help the rest of your life. Kids don’t think they need education until they find out the hard way. This is the $100,000 question; how to get kids to grab that brass ring and be successful and self sufficient.
not really,
it comes down to entitlement.
I know plenty of people that didn’t graduate high school, that can’t do complex math or comprehensive writing that work their bags off to get by, without state aid.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Are you implying there is something wrong with it???
The thing is, though, many kids have seen what life is like on the dole and want it. If they see parents/friends/relatives getting free money every month, where is the benefit to actually going out and earning money? Some of them are in for a rude awakening now.
There are a couple of things I would like to point out. I am all for self-sufficiency. BUT, over the last several years, there have been few jobs for anyone, even those with good educations and a record of good work experience because many jobs were outsourced by large corporations so they could increase their profit. The jobs that do remain are minimum wage or slightly above, and would take more than one job to support one person. Many people, but not all, who have been on TANF have criminal histories that make potential employers leery of hiring them, even if the charges are old and they have stayed out of trouble since. Some people do not have even a GED because they dropped out of school or were kicked out of school. I am not saying they do not have responsibility for their choices, nor that we should be supporting them on the taxpayer’s dime indefinitely. But I think we do need to use programs such as ASPIRE to give them a hand up rather than a hand out.
You could add something about the children who will wind up in foster care because of this.
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In July, he wrote a letter to Gov. LePage asking for an investigation of TANF administrators who oversee its ASPIRE program. He asked how people could receive help for 60 months and not leave with job skills or enough English to easily communicate with General Assistance staff. ”
could i have been right about the Somalians coming here for the welfare?
anyone?
The Great Somali Welfare Hunt
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-great-somali-welfare-hunt/
Brace yourself for a panhandlers war. More competition for the “hot spots.”
This limit is long overdue!!!! I hope many more come off the rolls. I am not against temporary help. Growing up we got help from the state but it was temporary. I still like peanutbutter too and remember that brick cheese.
good thing from all this is lepage wont get re elected the more he tries to cut he is burning bridges.
Most of the unemployed have degrees in Liberal Arts.
You liberal arts folks should know.
Fo sho…
What a steaming heap of made up stuff.
LOL!
I know, I couldnt resist…
I would say most of the unemployed WITH college degrees….maybe, although one wonders why somebody with a mid-eastern southern philosophy on Russian Lit major can’t get a job.
I say most of the unemployed are high school graduates at best, at least in Maine.
I have seen this in your town and mine.25 yr old with 4 kids 4 different fathers.Does nothing but party 3 days a week while family members have kids .Sometimes boyfriends live in and get a check from the state for babysitting.TANF almost gone now applying for SS DISABILTY .This is the next scam.Doctors should be held liable.
Maybe instead of complaining to us, REPORT THEM! Did that ever occur to you?
Did meet with DHS. Guess what happened?
I’ll agree with the state not being responsive.Try to get an old driver off the road and watch the cobwebs form waiting for an answer.
Ha. That’s a good one. DHHS is always looking for more “clients” to justify their continued existence. To believe that DHHS would do anything to end welfare is to believe in fairy tales.
I agree with everything except holding the doctor liable. The parents of whoever raised the 25-year old with no sense of responsibility should be held liable.
This one came from a career welfare family.She is not disabled by any means and the Dr. that signs her papers should be held liabel
How do you know she is not disabled in any way? Some disabilities do not appear on the outside. Some people do scam the system with addictions, etc., but just because the issue doesn’t appear to you, doesn’t mean it’s not there.
You have a point on the disability thing.What nobody talks about is the people under 40 with”mental issues”who are managing to take $$ away from those that need it.Disability should be only for those people who have worked the requisite time and who have a provable physical issue.Many in Maine who did physical jobs for decades would legitimately qualify.
State spending on GA goes down, savings to be “reinvested.” Someone will need to keep a close eye on where this “reinvestment” actually ends up. I’m having my doubts that Mr. LePage will put it anyplace that helps needy or average Mainers. In the meantime GA cost for all local municipalities continue to go up along with predictable rising local property taxes. Savings? Seems like just another scam to redistribute taxes into someone else’s pockets while digging deeper into ours. Isn’t politics great!
The only scam that I’m aware of is the one that takes money from people who have earned it and redistributes it to programs that sustain people in a cycle of welfare. Worse, when they pull it off for over 30 years in this state with absolutely no progress. Now that’s a scam–staying in political power when you are unable to deliver results. Just try that in the private sector.
It is vital that those in need of assistance receive it in the form of accountable monetary assistance and training to do something useful to the degree that they are able to. The scamming of Maine taxpayers by feckless politicians and the unaccountable bureaucracies (say, Karate lessons anyone?) seems to have hit a sudden roadblock brought on by the winds of change in this state.
It won’t last for long. The promise of something for nothing will attract the votes necessary to keep Obama in the White House and Lepage will be sent packing in the next election. The the fiscal armegeddon will descend upon us.
Don’t worry, even after Paulie has packed his own bags, along with those of his daughter, brother-in-law, and all his well-to-d0 supporters clalk full of taxpayer’s hard earned money there will still be enough cash left over to avoid silly conservative projections of gloom/doom/armegeddon. By golly we might even be able to educate and feed a few hungry children.
Any cash will be used up doing important government “work” like building quarter million dollar “affordable” housing and buying gift cards for the drones mismanaging the program to build them. If that isn’t enough money to waste then they’ll sell off state assets to connected Dem insiders to get even more money to fritter away.
Are ‘our children’ hungry, or obese? Which is it? It cannot be both.
You SIR are talking through your hat, your mouth knows better. You may have some distance long ago memories of how is was, but you are totally out of touch. Take a complete paupers oath, got down to Bangor without a penny, contact, or help, and, begin to make your own way, do this for a year, and come back and write.
Opportunities flow past every day. People have forgotten how to recognize them and instead learned to blame someone else for the loss of that ability. It’s easier.
Corporations cheat and bribe every day, and spread lying propaganda, such as the fact that global warming is a “hoax.” People have forgotten that in their rush to blame the poor for the sins of Wall Street.
Wall Street, Global Warming or Corporations have nothing at all to do with a persons ability to recognize opportunities.
Then why do they spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to alter perception and affect behavior?
“The oil, coal and utility industries have collectively
spent $500 million just since the beginning of 2009 to lobby against legislation to address climate change and to defeat candidates … who support
it”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/us/politics/21climate.html
attention deficit disorder
NOUN:
Abbr. ADD
A syndrome, usually diagnosed in childhood, characterized by a
persistent pattern of impulsiveness, a short attention span, and often
hyperactivity, and interfering especially with academic, occupational,
and social performance.
“Purveyors of perception management (PM) create the “truth” and then sell
it to the world. Perception management has been used quite effectively by several administrations, most notably in my life during the presidency of Ronald Reagan.”
http://advertising-for-success.blogspot.com/2009/01/perception-management-101.html#.UGCJ5PmBxRw
Thanks for being my billboard, but I have to go to lunch now :)
I am not sure how being a fool advances ones cause.
Once there might have been opportunities and there was, but not now, I must disagree with you. The world is a closed shop for most, including those who once seized at opportunities. I have never seen the economy it is now. Today, if, you are not living in your car, you are a success.
Or, people might wake up and realize that we need some sound solutions to long-standing problems. There were a couple quotes in the article about people being on TANF for 5 years and not learning either a marketable skill or even how to speak enough English to communicate. There was a quote about someone being on TANF for 5 years and not yet achieving his GED. When it truly is a stop-gap measure that is to help for a short time while someone gets back on his feet, and not a life-style choice, we will all be better off.
Governor LePage knows first-hand how crippling welfare can be to generations. He is someone to be applauded for pulling himself up, and would make a good role model (unless one is a frequent poster on BDN and cannot see beyond one’s prejudice.)
There are NO gaurantees in life !
Other than those with power will abuse you!
Sometimes Government needs to step in and end that abuse otherwise you have economic slavery!
Redistributing the income is just that! Congress was given the power to regulate commerce to put those abuses aside!
Otherwise you have the very same tyrants running this country that the revolutionary war patriots fought to extingish their power !
Tyranny has many faces and a King is only one of them!
Corporations have taken over that role and all but the dimmest minds can see that!
The federal government paid for 85 percent of TANF; the state paid for 15 percent. Now local taxpayers shell out 100 percent of the cost. Regardless of what you think of public assistance programs, couldn’t Lepage have found a better way to make his point than to stick it to the taxpayer again? Talk about penny wise and pound stupid. Hey, at least he’s consistent.
Local taxpayers paid 100% anyway. Even if the money is from the feds, it’s STILL tax money.
You’re kidding, right? The money comes from taxpayers? It doesn’t grow on trees?
When you bring it back home and the local taxpayers see and know the people to whom their hard-earned money is being siphoned off, you’ll see a massive shift to a conservative economic perspective. That’s why the left is scared to death of this.
Thanks. I’ll remind myself of that when I see the increase in my tax bill.
I’m encouraged on weekends with so many comments from (obviously working) conservative minds. If this story had run in the middle of the week, the comments section would be riddled with bleeding heart pablum about how evil the Governor is for doing good work. Clearly during the week, most of the comments are made by those on the dole.
Welfare recipients should not be enjoying life. No job? You get to sweep the streets 40 hours per week. Cant phyisically do that? Sit in the local school gym and stare at the walls 40 hours per week.
Hey Spruce, ya might want to ask your buddy Obama about all the stimulus money that went to China, and his GE buddy Imalt, shipping jobs there as well.
The Democrats, like the Republicans, are also heavily influenced by Big Business lobbies, but at least are moving in the right direction; for example, providing all Americans affordable healthcare, like every other democratic country in the world.
and how do you suppose we pay for all the healthcare, welfare, foodstamps, housing, heat, etc of everyone?
You liberals and democrats might think you’re superior in some way, you have illusions of grandeur and a perfect world where everyone is happy.
well, we don’t live in a perfect world.
Nothing is free,
before you spout off about how things should be, why don’t you think about how to pay for them, or how to make it sustainable?
Forbes Magazine says the happiest countries in the world all have strong welfare nets and lots of redistribution of wealth. So, yes, it is possible to live in a happier USA:
“[The happiest countries] are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth.”
http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/norway-denmark-finland-business-washington-world-happiest-countries_print.html
The countries you are talking about don’t have the immigration issues we have in America. if everything is so great why isn’t everyone immigrating to the borderline socialist state with generous welfare and lots of redistribution of wealth?
Try to get a green card and see how many people are waiting as well.This country despite its problems is a beacon and will always be.
My point exactly to all the liberals who admire these countries, socialism doesn’t work.
Immigration from European countries is a trickle compared to those trying to escape repressive regimes and war.
although even then the liberals have been destroying the peace and prosperity in those countries by making them a welfare beacon for immigrants.
sweden and switzerland have really gone down hill since the influx of somali, sudanese, and nigerian immigrants.
and because of that, they eventually will be facing what is going on in Japan.
Ge off it! If you want a Socialist country move to one that is! Of course people are happier, they don’t have to work, the collective take care of them. Man what I wouldn’t give to be able to sit up by butt and let the colelctive whole take care of me!
The only stimulus money that went to China was that from Bain Capitol.
Wrong Absolutely wrong. Try GE.
How many of those Somalians are here illegally?
I don’t know the answer to that question, however companies hiring Somali’s are receiving tax breaks from our govt.
So you don’t know how many are illegal and yet that was one of your main arguments. You don’t want companies to get incentive to hire them, but you are complaining about them receiving our help.
a lot.
the government can’t verify their identity though because they have no documentation.
I think undecided voters, and many Republicans, will be appalled that “ath20” is mocking and laughing at the sick and the suffering, many of whom are elderly folks. Despite Medicare, many of the elderly are losing life-saving to pay Big Pharma or other medical bills.
Ridiculous to see this in the face of such wide spreading poverty at home.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/defense-spending-fact-of-the-day_n_1746685.html
Amateur thinking. Without that spending some other country, probably China would be directing your life.
Not.
You do not understand realpolitik.
Seem most of the people on welfare do not have a High School diploma . Look at the drop out rate at Bangor High School seems Betsy Webb is so concerned with a $7 million dollar foorball field . We complain about people being on welfare but we are more concerned with the upper middle class kids playing sports. Hold these people accountable for not focusing on the more important long term issues not just what feels good to the right families . Hired Bob Lucy a foot ball coach who bent the rule to make is school look good. Seem many people bend the rules to make themselves look good. Lets see Betsy Webb Make $146,000 a year and she dose not even know the drop out rate that seems almost criminal.
Hey, here is an idea for the state, instead of talking out your you-know-what about child support and how you plan to help all of the custodial parents, how about you go about collecting it more swiftly and put a better plan in place? I am a single mom struggling to survive without having to resort to TANF and my reward is a system that is SLOW AS HELL in collecting the half of aid that I should be getting from my ex-spouse who is happily buying himself iPhones and other toys at the expense of my children. It is funny how many people complain about welfare recipients who have iPhones but nobody is as angry at the dead beat dads who treat themselves to these toys while taxpayers fund their children’s NEEDS!
You picked him and had children with him. Look in the mirror if you want to see who is really to blame for where you are today.
Yes and God forbid don’t have kids and then have something unforeseen happen like a death, divorce, or layoff! Mooches, eh?
To Nicole and Melora: One of the problems I see is that AFDC dependent women marry or most often have babies without marrying fathers who they should have known were not responsible; perhaps they have no choice if they want to have a child because they are not competitive for men who are good providers. That’s not the tax payers problem or shouldn’t be. Society has made heroes of single parents but a lot of their problems are of their own making and would not have happened if they could not rely on taxpayers to cover their lousy judgment.
I have no love for Le Page but on this he is right. I have worked in the social service system and it is destructive and enabling to the people it is supposed to serve.
free birth control and free abortions, Problem solved. I just lowered our welfare and lowered our crime rate.
Neither advances in birth control (which has been quite free and even handed out in school in many places) nor advances in abortion tech, have lowered welfare or crime over the last 50 years. When will you admit that your social experiments are sending us in the wrong direction?
When are you going to learn that we are making it harder and hard to get abortion. The birth control handed out in schools are condoms. We need to have them free and very readily available to people and teach how to use them. The social experiment is thinking its okay to tell a person what they can do with their bodies. Our population is only growing bigger and bigger. This world can only carry so much. You are in imaginary land if you think Abortions are free and readily available in all 50 states.
When are you going to learn that nothing is free and as long as you want me to pay for what other people do to their bodies I should get a say in what they can do with my money.
Lets look at this just in term of crime. I am sure that if you provide free abortions and free contraceptives. You save so much more in lowing the crime rate. We have more people in our prisons then any other country. Your right, nothing is free. People having unwanted babies, or having babies young are not good for society. Yet there are people out there that want to force them to do so, then they yell that those people are bad for society. Its simply crazy.
Who is forcing the women to have babies? You are actually paying them to stay home and have babies. You have actually spent the last 50 years teaching them that they are not responsible for their own actions. Unless of course you are claiming they really are being forced.
What we should be doing is cracking down on all the men that don’t pay their half or do their half of the childcare, and just skip out and sleep around. And all the violent abusive men, and the cheaters.
We have been doing that and it accomplishes nothing if you can’t teach the women to keep their legs closed. Or at least teach them to only open them on the rare occasions when they are sober.
Men must be real difficult then, because they still keep cheating, beating and trying to skip out on helping raise the kids and providing money. I’m glad that women are the reason Romney is going to lose. He is way behind in the women’s vote, for instance, in Virginia. Republicans better start treating women better.
Do you have stats showing that more men cheat, beat, and skip out than men who do otherwise?
Only a woman can choose to allow a man to enter her body and make her pregnant. She should use much more common sense than I see them using these days while doing so or she should be allowed to suffer for her actions. it is not by job to pay for her mistakes.
Really have you heard Paul Ryan? They want to force women to have babies if they get pregnant with only very few and very limited exceptions. I am not paying them to do anything. Do you know anything about sex? Its a basic human instinic. To tell people to be more careful when it comes to sex its telling someone they should only breath once a minute. Its not going to happen. The once forcing women to have babies is the GOP and their anti abortion agenda. Yes they are forcing the women to have babies, and if they could totally get their way, they would force women to have their babies no matter what.
No one is forcing them to go out and have sex with every man they meet to begin with. We have taught them that moral character means nothing and that their are no consequences to being loose with your legs and now you want me to pay for their mistakes.
NO!
Let them have their babies and let their friends see the the consequences of being a bar hound with round heels.
Having sex has nothing to do with Morals, I have never understood that. Its like saying it would be immoral to breath. Sex is very natural. In fact holding out on sex is not very natural and going against our very being. People can make it harder to have abortions and want religious exemptions from some forms of birth control. If you do then do not complain about all those on welfare. Maybe if you allowed those things then they would not be there. People are going to make these mistakes no matter what, you can not control sex. However you can help control what happens afterwards. Free abortions prevent welfare and most importantly they prevent crime.
Have no religious leanings one way or the other but people are responsible for the choices they make and I should not have to suffer for their decisions. Nothing is free.
AFDC no longer exists. Clinton eliminated it. Did it help improve our economy? No, it only meant the rich got more tax breaks and hoarded the money.
He didn’t eliminate it. He changed the name of it. The rest of us still pay for it.
AFDC allowed a check without having to work over an uncapped time range. TANF requires work and cuts out after a few years.
So, basically your wrong. Clinton eliminated welfare as we knew it for decades, and it did nothing to help the economy. The Republican doctrine is, basically, a bunch of empty theories that feed the rich and make everyone else suffer.
Ummm ………Clinton was a Democrat.
Clinton was forced by Republicans to put reasonable limits on a program that still exists but with a new name. I don’t believe anyone claimed it would help the economy only allow more of us who earn the money to keep some the money we earn.
thumbs up, that is true,
Yes, most are.
No, they aren’t. What a cruel, ignorant and idiotic thing to say.
Mooches? Yes.
I have a family ‘renting’ my house. Or they were. I got less than $90 a month for two years as I believed their sob story. Oh what a fool! They have CHILDREN on disability! For the usual fake things such as ADD and vision problems. Why does a 12 yo need $300/month if their vision is impaired? Or a six year old (adopted, of course) need $150/month for ADD? they have medicaid which is ‘free’ – not to include the mileage to the doc’s office, a hotel room and food if it’s over a certain distance of course.
Meanwhile, besides the taxes I paid to support these mooches, I subsidized their housing.
No more! No more ‘pity rents’, no more people that cannot pay, and pay completely. No more people who have two purebred dogs (pitbulls of course) three fish tanks and birdcages. And kids under 14 with CELL PHONES!
love you!!!!!!! honesty!!!
Nicole those people DO NOT stay on welfare for 5 years plus. The people that stay on the system are the unmotivated, institutionalized, give me everything for nothing.
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA & tax the hell out of it!
I see Lewiston is very high, it would be interesting to see out of the numbers how many are Somali’s…
Who’s idea was it to bring them to Lewiston and put such a tax burden on the taxpayers of Lewiston..
““This is just unbelievable,” Macdonald said Wednesday, pointing to a number of former TANF recipients coming in with no high school diplomas and “absolutely no job skills.”
“Some are still looking for their GED,” he said. “Well, what have you been doing for five years?”
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Exactly….doing NOTHING because they do not have to do anything. Just hang out, get your freebies and never worry about the gravy train stopping. Finally, it is at least slowing down.
Schools are most interested in Sports than at risk kids.
Um, and that has what to do with not getting a GED/Adult Ed diploma/you name it?
Please don’t give me the disenfranchised kid routine. There are countless Adult Ed/GED programs in the state (free, mind you) for the “at risk” crowd you think is being so marginalized.
If traditional schooling doesn’t work (which typically means the kid won’t come to school/won’t do their work/don’t really follow rules), then the GED/Adult Ed/and let’s not forget Job Corps pathways are there.
This has NOTHING to do with whether schools prioritize sports (which some do but definitely should not) or not. That is a very weak excuse for why somebody does not succeed in school.
When my son had classes that 50% of his grade came from homework only 30% from test scores and failed (passed test). I what to know the reason why son kids fail test but still pull off a B ? maybe they have thier mommy doing thier homework. If that is the case why are they not failed . Just saying not all kids are on a level playing field and the school dose everything they can to keep it that way. As for a GED some with a diploma who could not pass a GED fairs better in the real world than someone with a GED for the most part. We need to hold school accountable for the high drop out rates . Special treatment for some kids.
Wow. I mostly agree with you. except the Republican part. All politicians are the problem. They are a mess on both sides. We need better people to represent us.
Thank-you Governor!
This news should come as no surprise to those who’ve been following our illustrious governor’s game plan. He cannot balance a budget, so he uses a shell game and tosses the burden onto local municipalities, i.e. to property tax payers ultimately.
Reclaim Maine Vote Democrat 2012
and voting democrat would do what? If that happened, our welfare rolls would not drop at all. Remember, everything is fine as long as nobody asks to see the books. That is the Dem motto.
40 years of Dems got us where we are today. Baldacci couldn’t even balance the budget. He stiffed the Maine hospitals for hundreds of millions of dollars. LePage is actually paying the Baldacci debt off.
Stick around, oldmainer, and just see what Lepage has in store for you.
I plan to stick around. And LePage has nothing in store for me. I take care of myself. How about you?
I, too, take care of myself, but remember something here-we aren’t in this alone. Not everyone is as fortunate as we are and those are the ones Lepage has it in for, simply because he’s too incompetent to balance a budget and because he can’t risk alienating his “special interest” cronies.
While I agree with you on bringing outsiders into the region when we can’t support them–I disagree with your idea of the poor (having tons of kids). Statistics show that MOST welfare recipients have ONE child, not a huge family. In fact, most large families–if they go on assistance at all–stay on for a very short period. A large majority of welfare recipients are single parents with one (possibly two) children. A LARGE number are actually CHILD-LESS. I have no idea how child-less couples get welfare benefits when both are working. So stop pointing the finger at families, especially single moms who are usually suffering because the man decided not to take up his responsibility to care for his child and girlfriend/wife.
What’s your source for welfare moms with only one or two or no children? And, people who have no kids are not eligible for TANF (temporary aid for needy FAMILIES). General Assistance is available for the childless if they qualify. I have seen welfare moms fight mightily to get their kids on disability status (usually for behavioral issues) so that they can get SSI–this a’int great for the kid’s self esteem but does help out the mom by bringing in a check.
I remember advocates during the AFDC-TANF transition telling public radio announcers how great welfare moms are since 90% of them earn money off the side (without reporting it).
And, if you don’t like abortion why don’t you and your buddy bible thumpers get together and fund their upbringing (which, if you look at the studies, does not bode well for children with single parents)–instead of foisting those costs to taxpayers.
When would you ever expect that gang to pay for themselves or anyone else?They have cold hearts and have manipulated the system so that breeders have it made.The sooner we get rid of religion the sooner the human race will truly go forward.
It ‘s people like you that support the Duggars and the Octomom saying that it’s God’s will that are the problem and that are making us all broke.You obviously hate men as well.
Most people don’t go into having a family with intent to be poor. Many are good intentions. The majority on welfare are either single parents (usually the man didn’t stick around to take care of his responsibility) or CHILD-LESS couples.
What about the mothers that don’t hang around to take care of thier children!!?
Just it seems like in Maine they will go after the dad with all the gusto for child support but then if a women owes back child support it is like well one day
He said most, Did you not see that? He is talking about the larger group and you instead bring up a small portion?
What world do you live in, most people do not think about finances before having children at all. They want someone to love them or they want the person they think they love to be tied to them forever.
What about the woman who thought the bar was a good place to meet her next baby daddy? When does the woman take responsibility for opening her legs?
Men do so much cheating and beating. And then skipping out on their payments and responsibility. The fact that angry white males dominate the GOP says a lot.
Why does it only become “my body, my choice” after she made the choice to spread her legs? Unless it was rape she had a choice and she should pay for the consequences of that choice.
I’m sure you meant to sat that males should do half the work of raising the child and pay at least half the cost, instead of skipping out and going back to cheating and beating, and trying to avoid responsibility.
If women were in charge, the world wouldn’t be so violent and unjust.
I raised my children, paid their expenses, and didn’t beat my wife but then again she didn’t go husband shopping in a bar. People get what they look for.
Now if they could get rid of the women who keep having babies to stay on welfare, or the ones that claim their child has ADHD and they cant work life would be grand. I personally know of one young lady who has sucked the system dry for 8 years. She even managed to get a car out of it. She resently was informed her welfare would soon end so she busly spent maincare money taking her 4 year old to dr after docter until she found one who diagnosed the child with learning disabilites and ADHD. I must mention she tried the same with her oldest but didnt find the right dr I guess. That child was eagerly handed over to the father. So now she keeps her benifits because she claims she cant work because no child care center will take the child. The topper to the whole story is the child goes to a special school from 730am to 1pm 5 days a week 12 monthes a year, then at 1pm her “worker steps in til 5pm 5 days a week and some times on sat. A cab transfers the child to and from school. Mind you every cent of this is being paid for by tax dollars. and she has a safe place she can call and leave the child for a few days if Haveing the child becomes to much for her… Its is she and others like her that are sucking the system dry.
Sad, just plain sad the way people are treating the poor today.
so, would it be okay for me to quit my job, have 5 or 6 kids, refuse to work, and get tanf?
I mean, i’d be poor then right?
so the state would have to help me!
I think i’ll do that.
I want to take advantage of the system too. Why work when you can stay at home, make babies, live free off the system, and live it up?
and remember if you are spending $200/month on cigarettes, that is just the cycle of poverty, you aren’t responsible for it….just keep the cash coming from the taxpayers.
Now you have it….that is the mentality that Obama wants…everybody is on the government dole, as long as they keep voting for him, he is happy.
Its very diffiuclt to respect class’s of people that beat you down and kick you under the buss, you lose your will to care anymore, so the cycle continues. It’s not the lack of money that makes people poor. It’s the surrounding wall of hate that keeps you a prisoner to a dysfunctional attitude–some escape, and yes it’s sad.
It is just plain sad how our government treats those who pay the bills too.
Since you don’t pay the bills, don’t complain.
that is sad – so whydo people vote democrate – just to drive up the nations debt
It should be clear in my vote this fall which party to vote for. We are ALL one illness, one life changing moment away from needing the ‘safety net’ in Maine which quickly is being removed under the guise of reform. When we need it most in the future you may find too late that you vote was a mistake?
and when there is no money left because the people who WILL NOT work get benefit after benefit, you might find out that your vote was a mistake??
We are not talking about a safety net here, we are talking about a systemic problem (Obama can talk all he wants, he never says anything anyway) that leads to generational welfare in this state and throughout the rest of the country. Somebody has to pay the bills. I know Obama thinks it should be the evil rich people (who pay for nearly everything anyway, but that doesn’t matter to Obama). When kids can have kid after kid after kid and get housing, healthcare, food, cell phones, cash, etc…….many of them view that as just fine. They get by without having to lift a finger. To them, it is not a safety net, it is a lifestyle and occupation..PERIOD.
ASPIRE is a great idea, poorly executed. Recipients are required to do volunteer work in the community in return for their benefit. It fails because the case workers are typically overloaded and do not ensure that the agencies using the program recipients are actually TEACHING them job skills. Add to that that the recipients have zero commitment to the agencies they volunteer with. They can hop from agency to agency until they find someone who will let them skate.
And TANF? Give me a break. They get a benefits card from which they draw CASH and spend it on anything they like. Ask any cashier how much abuse they see.
60 months is way too long – the “T” means “Temporary”. After 60 months it’s a lifestyle.
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Recipients are required to do volunteer work in the community in return for their benefit. ”
wrong again.
They can receive the benefits if they are attending classes (paid for by aspire) or volunteering. most choose to attend classes at our expense.
Benefits included in aspire:
Child care costs
Car repair costs
Housing costs
clothing allowance
paid tuition, including associated fees (books, etc)
it’s also a supplement to TANF.
a seperate program, so conceivably, you could collect both TANF and ASPIRE, and food stamps.
welcome to welfare USA
“wrong again”? What was the first time?
As I have HAD ASPIRE volunteers, I probably know what I’m talking about. Yep, they can also attend classes. The point is that they are required to work towards self-sufficiency.
Shouldn’t everyone be working toward self-sufficiency? (Some of us just don’t get the public check while we become self-sufficient).
sorry ben, i thought you were one of the posters below,
but still.
I know of the system and know people on it, some of which are legitimately in need of it.
they aren’t required to volunteer, like i said, many/most choose to attend classes, at our expense.
Don’t forget mileage to the college campus. I have seen that before…insane.
ROMNEY / RYAN 2012 !!!
Thanks for the best joke of the day!
It seems cruel but you would think that after five years on any program someone would want to better themselves. Those of us who do take care of themselves and families can be thankful that we are not in this position. With our economies the way they are it is more and more evident that we cannot continue to support these programs and some are going to have to start supporting themselves. Tough pill to swallow but someone has to do it.
SOME people WOULD want to better themselves. OTHERS see it as having it pretty good. WE go to work every day, and many of them sit home and laugh at us as WE are the fools.
Families should be demonstrating how they are getting off such assistance in order to maintain it. Look at unemployment benefits, you become unemployed, you have to hand in “work search logs” to keep them benefits for the time you are entitled to them. The same should happen when you get state assistance, you should be reporting in some information on what you plan to do, to get off assistance.
May I suggest that Mainer’s who have been cut off from benefits visit Governor LePage’s house for dinner EACH and EVERY day that he allows Maine Citizens to suffer while he feasts on our tax dollars! It would do him good to share! A tread mill couldn’t hurt either!
might i suggest that the welfare rats that have been milking the system for 5 years either leave the state or join the rest of the workforce?
Just how many years do you believe somebody should be on the public dole? Apparently 5 years is not enough? Maybe we should just cut everybody a check.
You must be a Honey Boo Boo fan!
Six years is plenty of time to make a plan for anyone & why the hell were we ever supporting illega immigrants !! Many need a little help now & then but 6 years???? We taxpayers are tired of paying
& I’m glad the free ride is coming to an end for some.
60 months = 5 years.
You are so right ! Lesson learned, I will never read the news & comment after getting up at 4:30 am & working all day :0
That’s okay. Your basic idea is right on the money.
We all know the welfare is out of control and costing the taxpayer a lot of money,but it surely would seem that if the heavy thinkers would have been monitoring the program there would have been less people on the system then there is now.Just another fine example of the govs.high paid,do nothing positions within the state government,The welfare system could have paid for itself if the people had got some return on the crooks in the gov.that got away with a pat on the back,slap on the wrist and the people were told”oh well they wont do it again.”the middle class worker takes another hit from the gov.
As communities are asked to bear the cuts LePage put in place, local taxes will have to increase. A shift of the burden from the state to property owners is the next logical step. This is patently unfair. The Republicans like to claim they cut tax expenditures and eliminated people from the dole. But in effect, they left the rest of us holding the bag and the tax burden weighs more disproportionately on the shoulders of the middle class…..what’s left of us.
Turning more of the tax burden to property taxes is the New Hampshire way. Does that sound good?
If we get New Hampshire’s tax rate and economy then yes, it sounds great.
Feel free to move there.ME will be better off,but NH won’t.
Maine citizens first Dont legal immigrants need to be sponsored?
Kudos to Governor LePage and the Republican legislature!
A decline is caseloads should be a decline is State caseworkers needed, since the State objective was to find ways to save money so they cut the amount of people on TANF, than cut the amount of State workers they arent needed now save even more money.
A decline is caseloads should be a decline is State caseworkers needed, since the State objective was to find ways to save money so they cut the amount of people on TANF, than cut the amount of State workers they arent needed now save even more money.
The AFDC/TANF issue, along with other programs involves a lot of factors. Some say:”if you can’t feed em, don’t breed em. But those who can feed em DO NOT breed em. Which means the AFDC/TANF generation might be the next generation. The Divorce Courts also hurt the system, instead of giving the kids to the parent who makes the most, they usually give them to the one who makes the least… and, regardless of how much support they receive, that one goes on AFDC/TANF.
We have the demographic problem — the amount of outlays will drop, because there are fewer kids being born. We can expect the cost to increase in cities — that’s where the affordable housing and jobs are, so those who move in will need assistance until they get established.
Cutting immigrants from benefits works … until they realize they can’t establish themselves in Maine without the assistance, and our agricultural, or seasonal, workforce drops.
Of course the real benefit in lower assistance rolls is the ability to get rid of the caseworkers and their retirement benefits. That’s where the real savings are. But that means they’ll move to states where they are needed — another population drop; lower school population; schools close; teachers are unemployed and leave state; tax rolls decline; more cuts are needed … it is a beautiful cycle aimed at depopulation of the state.
It’s interesting to see that the cities will have to cover the bills of the poor. It’s also interesting to note that people are seeing those who’ve been on the system for sixty months who still can’t communicate properly and have learned nothing. I wonder how long cities will stand for this before they start denying bennies to people, or will they end up raising the city taxes?
You mean like all the jobs that were supposed to come into Maine as a result of LePage’s sign?(scanning horizon)
That is an absolute bald faced LIE and you know it.My neighbor’s daughter started school
(no help,not on welfare)and due to a family illness had to drop out after two weeks.The school gave her NOTHING for her books and last I knew she was being harassed by bill collectors even though the school was in possession of and and resold the books.
I agree with your point that education will make the difference.But the “food stamps and lobsters”trope is a little tiring.Look at WIC-A giant scam where you can get it even if you’re making $28K .I’ve worked in grocery stores as a rack jobber.Here’s the scam-store brand bread $1.50 a loaf,WIC eligible,no sign.Next to it,fancy seven grain bread $3.99 a loaf with a sign saying WIC eligible.If you don’t want problems checking out you are going to think the $3.99 bread is the only one you’re allowed.Sneaky but legal.
We have given away the store to interlopers in religious garb.They’re called conservative Christians-the most corrupt slime to be on Earth.
That would be churches getting involved with government!The sooner we keep EVERY church out of decent people’s pockets and tax them HEAVILY the budgets will balance.
Go Spruce, Go, you are right on the money today!! Good stuff here, true!
You and Spruce need to donate more. There’s an old saying ” put your money where your mouth is”. Come on, cough up a few thousand . Problem solved.
Have you even looked at the list of kids ALREADY waiting for foster parents?And you want to make the list LONGER?
Sad so very sad we have to think of the little ones:::: Watch the movie called the “Grapes of Wrath” and see what happened during the Great Depression when no-one gave a damn about the poor :(
“State Rep. Peggy Rotundo, D-Lewiston, the leading Democrat on the Appropriations Committee, said she could foresee the cost-shift coming to cities”
—For years i have been complaining in Skowhegan, the town is /has been turned in to a Social Service Dumping Grounds, a ‘place’ where the State and even other States open agencies,hospices,halfway houses,etc. , then dump their problem residents into Skowhegan.
Now its possible, Skowhegan taxpayers are going to get stuck paying for ALL those social service people that have moved into Skowhegan. My real-tor promises to have my property sold by the end of winter.Wont be me that is going to end up paying these loads
Bangor is right behind you but they invite Methodone addicts and sex offenders to town for free food, housing, and, of course, “legal” drugs.
Go to the Town Meetings and bring like minded people with you, you have the power to make needed changes.
No, it doesn’t. That is patently false.
Take your head out of the sand and look around you. What’s lacking in this generation isn’t a work ethic; what’s lacking are jobs.
Why can’t you conservatives ever talk about this issue without resorting to lies and slander?
Pull your head out of the sand. Someone who spends 60 months (5 years!!) on welfare and fails to get a GED or job training is LAZY, not needy.
Ben, my old cellmate. How did you get out so soon? Good behavior?
The Governors office should be ashamed, I for one am embarrassed by our Governor and his ruthless millionaire brownnosing cronies. The sooner they return to florida or canada or wherever they are from the better.
maybe you can start donating your paycheck to help pay for the continued, perpetual, TANF assistance for them?
I would rather it go to the needy than the greedy.
I rather my check go to the greedy than the needy. No money going to the needy, no booze buying by the needy
Maybe all the 60 monthers will move too
Skowhegan is a majority welfare community now: over 50%of the residents in Skowhegan collect some form of welfare. The State of Maine has records like this on file.
I live in Skowhegan and work. I know what welfare is like. Its close to 10pm on a Sunday night and as i listen to the Skowhegan police scanner, its call after call for people partying,drinking and having fights. This is a typical night. People who collect,peopl who are the needy , but they can afford to buy B O O Z E !!!! These are people that PAY NO TAXES
scr-w the needy, dont have kids if you cant afford them. i dont want money coming from MY POCKET going to feed your gullets with B O O Z E
Starve, I DONT CARE.
oK, I feel better
” a number of former TANF recipients coming in with no high school diplomas and “absolutely no job skills.”“Some are still looking for their GED,” he said. “Well, what have you been doing for five years?”
—They been out getting a tattoo over their butts for one
Yeah!
Don’t stick your finger in a light socket either!!
I”n July, he wrote a letter to Gov. LePage asking for an investigation of
TANF administrators who oversee its ASPIRE program. He asked how people
could receive help for 60 months and not leave with job skills or
enough English to easily communicate with General Assistance staff.”
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Good questions.
Good start…Now if we could get the NIMBYs and their environut allies to allow some developement and job creation we could turn this 3rd world hellhole of a state around…
Did anyone else notice how the woman used as the example in the article lost assistance because her son I suppose isn’t as much of a burden as the state previously thought so then the woman moved on and tried to claim she has health problems now? What’s next? The dog is handicapped? Will that get her more free money?!
I am sure she has “anxiety” or something. The system breeds the “disabled” mindsight.
Another comment by someone who has no idea what how severe anxiety impacts and destroys a life and how crippling of a disorder it is.
A big “Thank you” goes out to Landslide LePage and his Republican toadies for the upcoming increase in property taxes. Let’s cut taxes for the well off and increase them for everybody else.
how about keep the taxes the same, but cut the leeches that have been milking the system for 5 years off.
I’m in favor of returning the income taxes to what they were before Landslide LePage decided to cut them for his wealthy buddies. That would be a return to previous levels of taxation. You could use the return of that tax cut money to fund each city’s general assistance burden thus returning the property tax to prior levels.
Did it never occur to the LePage administration that enforcing existing rules on job training and education requirements for welfare recipients might have a better outcome than letting people slide for years and then kicking them out in the cold? Seems to me that DHHS had done a pretty poor job.
This is the best incentive for the takers to wake up, get the education they need and get a job.
I think you’ll see a lot of people suddenly able to work, now that they can’t get their bennies.
Work for federal/state/local aid–should be a no-brainer. That is the way it used to be!
Let’s keep our fingers crossed and hope the welfare crowd treks south to greener pastures in MA.
Even rats know that!
Since Portland voters are the ones who put us in this situation, why not let them pay more for these welfare recipients? Perhaps that would learn ’em!
By the way, is it just a coincidence that alcohol and cigarette sales have been down?
“To slash programs when there’s no place for people to go doesn’t solve the problem.”
Apparently caring for them for 5 years also doesn’t solve the problem. So are we supposed to care for everyone for life? In that case sign me up. I don’t want to work anymore either.
Birth control is “quite free?” Please alert Congress. Apparently the recent national debate over ensuring access to no-cost birth control for women was all for naught.
Setting arbitrary limits (60 months) does not eliminate legitimate needs. Dont complain when your property taxes rise increase to cover your town’s increased General Assistance budget.
so can i get on welfare too?
After all, if you’re paying for a bunch of lazy people that refuse to better themselves or to get jobs, what’s a few more here and there?
Tell me how the gal with the special needs kid can “better herself” out of that situation?
right, so you, like the sun journal, take 1 sad sob story situation and use that as the standard for why people need to stay on the welfare roles perpetually?
what about the other hundreds of people that are on the dole only because they’re lazy or because they came to this state specifically for the benevolent welfare system?
Since you didnt (or couldnt) answer my earlier question, here is another: So is it your position that all TANF recipients should be cut off after 60 months, regardless of individual circumstances, such as need to care for a special needs dependent?
My point is (if you had the reading comprehesion to understand) that policies like the 60 month limit can have consequences that impact the minority while ensuring the majority are held accountable. Like most conservatives you automatically believe that anyone on TANF or any other kind of subsistence support is “lazy or came to this state for the welfare system.” While that may be the case for some or most, it is certainly not for all yet u dont seem to give a crap about the rest.
Thank you Gov. and Maine State Legislature for finally working for the greater good for the State of Maine. Working Maine people work extra hard to pay their bills and for those who don’t want to work. Five years should be plenty of time for people to get on their feet, it’s about time this enabling stopped. Of course there are the hard cases that are mentioned here, I thought that was what Disabilty Social Security is set up for.
Where is the shame? If I raised my kids on welfare I dont think I could go out in public knowing the state was raising them. 5 years is plenty of time to get your life together. Get a job!
It says Robyn Merrell is concerned that more people aren’t applying for extensions or for other programs and she can’t figure out why. Maybe it’s because some of those people do not have a valid reason to still be on it and they know they can’t proved why they should have an extension! I share the mayor of Lewiston’s concern: how can people be in Aspire or on TANF for 5 years and still have not gotten their GED or learned any basic english? I am thankful for these time limits because some people obviously need limits. Most of us are happy to give someone a helping hand temporarily while they implement a plan to support themselves but not to support them indefinitely.
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” – Thomas Jefferson
Look, welfare is a balancing act. The mom with the spcial needs child; maybe if so many illegals weren’t getting assistance she might be able to have benefits. Why should she suffer because of an illegal? We need to take care of our own first. Send the illegals back. Immigrants who come to Maine to work and contribute are useful, those who can’t make it should go back. You should be required to learn English, birth control is mandatory, work programs (real ones) and volunteering shuold be the standard. Take some personal responisbility!
What did special needs kids do before government welfare?
And there are an est. 5000 illegal aliens working in the blueberry fields, jobs mainers wont do
They housed them in State Hospitals.
Illegals should not be allowed to work in Maine. Everyone on welfare should be screened for those jobs first, those inmates in jail should be made to rake the fields to pay for their room and board. Get it done LePage.
Why don’t we start here… In order to be considered for assistance, you need to pass a drug test. GED’s are required, and proof of search for employment and or community service required. Nothing should be free, everyone needs to earn thier own way if they are physically and mentally able.
Yes, throw those kids out onto the street or make them work at a factory someplace if they want to eat. Damn kids.
This is such a tough issue, but I agree with you. Many of these cities set themselves up as so-called “sanctuaries”, refusing to obey immigration laws, opening the floodgates to illegals who in turn are joined by their extended families. Those who end up paying the price are native Mainers like Hutchinson. Mayor MacDonald needs to understand that the rest of us are incensed taxpayers who are fed up with “temporary” assistance which becomes permanent. I blame a lot of this on the ACLU, which has driven social programs to the brink of bankruptcy with lawsuits and rulings by liberal judges who legislate from the bench.
Here is an example of the vicious welfare circle:
I went to work at 4am, just got back now. Half the town of Skowhegan is on welfare and just waking up for the day. Tonight, as i go to bed at 9pm, the welfare half will be awake, getting ready to party-not all, just enough to make Skowhegan a noisy,misery place at night for the working people that have the get up early
here are last night’s [Sunday night] real time police log, partying that required police or medical for drugs or noise:
12-59208 2030 DISTURBANCE Investigated Location/Address: [SKO] ADAMS ST
12-59217 2116 DISTURBANCE Investigated Location/Address:
[SKO] ROSIE’S CT 12-59227 2244
EMS TRANSFER Services Rendered Location/Address:
[SKO] FAIRVIEW AVE
–all public information
I can see kicking them off the TANF programs, especially if they are choosing not to get educated, GEDs etc. Maybe that would help encourage them to get educated?
The fact they are not educated, is there a problem with ASPIRE? Is it like a failing school system? Maybe we need something else, or another method?
On the other hand, I know college educated people who could use help and are having a hard time getting a job. There is a problem there too.
Also, if this is the land of opportunity, where is the opportunity for someone to chose not to get a formal education and become successful? I see in the federal constitution the idea of life, library, and the pursuit of happiness, and mutual respect, but I do not see anything that says anything about forcing education?
I do sympathize with the disabled. How can one get disability without support. The forms are long and tedious and one needs a degree to figure them out. Even doctors have issues with them, and they deny everybody the first time. Meanwhile, how does one get taken care of, i.e. The healthcare bill, to get the doctor to sign the forms to get the assistance? Then it still takes two years of unemployment to get disability. Good luck surviving long enough to get help. Even then, it isn’t much money.
I guess it has one thing going for it, in normal economic times, I would think it would be easier to just get a job and forget the idea.
“The state has not yet started drug-testing TANF recipients who have felony histories. It hasn’t figured out how”.
Take this bottle into the bathroom and bring it back to me when you are finished. Not to hard to figure out.