There is something about the impasse over the “fiscal cliff” that seems eerily familiar.
The underlying U.S. economy is reasonably sound, and our problems well within our capacity to solve. The question is whether our political institutions are up to the challenge. The nation’s credibility as a global leader is in question.
We’re now Europe.
In 2011, the 17 nations that use the euro currency had, in the aggregate, a budget deficit of about 4 percent of gross domestic product — less than half that of the United States. The euro zone’s total debt was 87 percent of GDP, roughly the same as that of the United States. Yet the euro zone faced a devastating crisis that nearly brought the European and global economies to their knees. The currency itself was repeatedly on the verge of unraveling; unemployment skyrocketed to 25 percent or higher in Spain and Greece; governments fell in those countries and in Italy; and a half-century of progress toward a united Europe nearly came to a halt. Much of the continent is still in recession.
The continent’s annus horriblis was not a product of the fundamentals of the European economy. There was no inherent reason to suffer a severe crisis as a way to force long-overdue regulatory and labor-market reforms on Spain and Italy. Rather, it came about because Europe’s political institutions were not strong enough to handle the crisis when it emerged. Although Europe had a common central bank in charge of setting interest rate policies, it did not have the kind of powerful, central authority that could channel money to the countries and banks at risk of faltering. Instead of crisp decision-making by a single parliament, there was instead an endless series of summits among national leaders and their finance ministers who were trying to create new political institutions on the fly.
Like Europe, the United States did not need a recession-creating crisis to bring about economic reform. U.S. budget deficits are large, but so far manageable. Interest rates are extraordinarily low, and the “crisis” the nation faces is not a traditional fiscal one, but rather a risk that decisions made in the past will, absent a deal between Congress and the White House, bring on a sudden bout of deficit reduction so severe as to cause a recession.
This is a tinderbox of our own making: Put a group of budget experts in a room in the morning and ask them to hammer out a thoughtful, careful deficit-reduction deal that, over time, would make the U.S. economy more competitive, and they could be done in time for cocktail hour. They might be done in time for lunch. But the challenge, of course, is not figuring out a set of policies — it is determining what could survive a convoluted system of lawmaking.
We have a constitution written two centuries ago that divides the power of the purse among the president, the House and the Senate. This is a test of those institutions. Can a government structured to have three nodes of power — controlled by parties with different policy visions — come together to make a coherent national fiscal policy?
The best case for answering “yes” is that the American political system has proved strikingly resilient over the past couple of centuries, weathering crises far greater than anything that might be caused by the fiscal cliff. (The Civil War. The Great Depression. Two world wars. These make a budget sequester seem like child’s play.)
“When I meet with economic leaders across the globe, they do not doubt the underlying strength and dynamism of the U.S. economy, or the entrepreneurialism and inventiveness of our people,” William Dudley, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, said in a speech at Pace University. “But they do wonder whether our political system is capable of putting the national interest above partisan interests and making the tough choices needed to address these challenges.”
“If a credible bipartisan agreement is reached, it will strengthen global confidence in the U.S. and underscore to the world that our country remains a great place to do business and invest in,” Dudley said. “Failure would suggest a degree of political dysfunction that could undermine U.S. economic leadership and could encourage global corporations and investors to invest elsewhere.”
The Europeans were trying to create new institutions on the fly in the face of a crisis. The United States is testing whether our centuries-old institutions are up to modern challenges. Europe bungled the process enough so that its standing as a credible, global leader is in doubt. The goal for the United States is to achieve a better result.



Do not tell me to not become Europe. Tell the voters who relected the guy at the Oval Office. The USA will soon need the CE mark on all products that are made in China.
Nah, conservatives would rather have us become Somalia instead. But you know, white instead.
It’s not one or the other you know. Your racism not withstanding
I love pointing out the Racism of the modern American Conservatives and being called racist for it. Meanwhile the conservatives lament that minorities vote for liberals because they want welfare and handouts. Yes, it is totally the liberals who are being racist in this country.
And you do that by reducing every disagreement to race? The poster made no reference to minorities at all. Sounds like it’s your issue and not that of others.
Cheese, the modern American Conservative movement is steeped in two things. First you have the libertarians who want to turn us into a third world country with no discernible government. Hence the Somalia comment. The other noticeable branch of it are the Rush Limbaugh, Charlie Webster types who are racists. I see no redeeming value to either of these two branches. We have long passed the party of responsible Conservatism who advocated fiscally conservative policies. You can see this on a National Stage where they absolutely refuse to raise taxes to bring our countries financial house in order. A financial problem that occurred because of their tax cuts, two wars, and their neglect of the American middle class.
Well, There you go again. The poster made no such comments.
If it is about what you believe… go ahead and post it. The poster however you made racists comments about said no such thing.
I think you have a race issue yourself. When your type looks at my son and the first thing they note is his skin color it really angers me. Leftists Pffftttt!!!!
Bigots come from all political persuasions, you have proved it.
You’re full of garbage. This is more of your “I know you are, but what am I?” nonsense where you pretend to have the moral high ground and accuse others of what you’re guilty of yourself. It’s called projecting.
The poster ltr77 commented on made no comments on race or even anything close to it.
Doesn’t matter, it’s not racist to point out racism.
There should probably be some racism to point out first don’t you think.
Cheese, do you not acknowledge that there is racism in the Republican party? Do you not acknowledge that this is why minorities overwhelming vote for the Democrats? I was not referring to the poster, I was referring to people who believe that “government should be small enough to drown in a bathtub” (much like it is in Somalia) and people who believe that democrats win because there were far too many black people voting in Maine communities. Certainly not a perfect overlap on a Venn Diagram, but there is enough commonality to make such a comment about modern Republicans.
ltr777 was talking about things in general and yeah, I would say there is a fair amount of racism coming out of the Republican party. It’s not racist to say that.
That’s not what racism means.
Nice racist comment!
…and very mature as well.
Classic liberal. When you are unable to make a salient point, play the race card!
Yeah I should have voted for the guy who by his own admission “Likes to fire people.” That sounds like a campaign with this worker’s best interest at the forefront.
He could have started with all the obama czars!
Regardless of what is happening in Europe, we had better get back to being an exporting nation, instead of an importing one or we are screwed. In 1985 our trade deficit with the People’s Republic of China was $6 million. In 2011 it was over $350 billion. That is an increase in percentage of 5,833,233%. I wonder where the problem with our economy is? lol. Buy American, before it is too late. Eventually, the job you save WILL be your own.
I thought the idea behind electing obama was so that we could become like every other failed system in Europe?
Well, you thought wrong… Learn some recent history by looking at what actually was and wasn’t done…
And we are well on our way to that!
The writer conveniently ignores that the wealthier western nations of Europe risked their financial troubles in large part by unifying with much weaker nations, for reasons of increased political stability. Our own economic woes mostly result from useless wars and ill-advised economic policies.
So the question is, has our current administration changed or proposed new policies that will have meaningfull impact?
The Volker rule was a step in the right direction… Volker actually wanted to reinstate Glass-Steagall in its entirety, but the political will was not there to defy the big banks and bankers. The Volker rule was at least pointing in the direction of G-S. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is also a step in the right direction but as with the Volker rule and provisions of Frank-Dodd (a flawed bill but also at least pointing in the right direction), and at least the discussion of breaking up the Too Big To Fail banks to manageable sizes were all lobbied hard against by the gop and the banks. All of these efforts by this admin, or people in this admin, would put the US on firmer ground. The pittance of private derivative regulation in Dodd-Frank is useless. The bizarre and nonsensical “debate” over the debt and deficit, and sequestration, while MILLIONS of Americans are STILL out of work, some for years now… was largely the result of POLITICS, not anything structurally wrong with our economy or the PRECEDENTS of stimulus spending and monetary policy that could have been used to greater effect. Politics has made the recession last for nearly 4 years now for millions, while the wealthy have enjoyed 93% of the growth in incomes since 2009.
The Volcker rule as a step in the right direction is a matter of opinion. When an estimated 10 billion per year loss of pre tax earnings may be lost to eight of our largest banks, I see issues with it.
The CFPB has been in operation since 2011. What are the accomplishments?
Both sides of the aisle are to blame for job losses, due to the petty games played.
I can forsee the next four years as more of the same.
The same housing bubble we experienced and it bursting effected Iceland, Ireland, Spain, Portugal… most of Europe in some way and for the very same reason… speculation on mortgage backed securities. Goldman Sachs did a deriviatives deal with Greece that ballooned into an enormous debt when the economy went down the tubes… So while Europe has its own structural problems, these problems became very evident at least in part in the same crisis that hurt the US.
When the U. S. goes down because of wars and ill advised economic policies, it drags the rest of the world down with it. Every time I see a boarded up store or a vacant house here or a country going down there, I think to myself, GWB.
The humble Farmer
Too late, we’ve already become Europe. The most recent election just proves that point. Give me all my “free” stuff!
Yeah… free stuff… where do we get in line…?
And where do people like you come up with these ideas…?
SS isn’t free… payroll taxes pay into it. Same with Medicare…
Wealthy people who make their living off of capital gains only pay about 15% in taxes… I guess the rest of the taxes they COULD be paying might be considered “free.” (They get to keep it for nothing while their secretary might be paying 28%) Same with the wealthy who take advantage of 401k accounts, like Romney, who has amassed some $100million through his exploiting these accounts that were devised to help the middle class invest for retirement. Or, let’s see, maybe using some rich dude like Romney again with lots of houses as an example, using the Mortgage Interest deduction to defer taxes… more free money just because they got lots of it to start with… How about some of the corporate perks… deferred royalty payments on oil wells on public land, or dirt cheap mineral leases on public lands, or subsidies going to multinational Big Agriculture firms meant to help family farmers weather bad years…
So, tell me… where can I get in line for all the free stuff you are talking about? (And what IS that free stuff anyway…?)
Really Sherlock?? I didn’t realize that’s why that was being withheld from my pay every two weeks!
Oh, and where can you find that free stuff?? Try here – there’s about $1.9 Billion worth! You don’t think we can “spare” any of that?
http://funding-programs.idilogic.aidpage.com/
Couple of things… that site is from 2005. I imagine that list has changed quite a bit. And, trying to click through to the source: Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance (CFDA) didn’t work… broken link.
I don’t think I really disagree that there are things that don’t need to be there, but when you’ve got several million people out of work, and have been out of work for years now, govt spending is one way to create economic activity that puts people back to work. Every prez, including Reagan and Bush spent money to lessen the effects of the recessions they dealt with… every prez… because that is what works. Economic growth is the best way to pay down a deficit… cutting taxes and cutting spending slows economic activity, increasing the recession for those still in it, creating one for the entire economy if cuts are too big and revenues too small… Macro-econ 101.
Corporate perks and deferred taxes from the wealthy make up a huge giveaway, welfare for the wealthy… I hope we can at least agree on the fact that THAT contributes as well as the grants or programs on something like the old list you gave me… Add in the cost of the wars and Bush tax cuts and it dwarfs the list you gave me… Maybe we can agree on that as well.
I hoped you’d notice it was from 2005. So how much worse do you think it looks today – especially under the class warfare creator in chief!?!?
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The offense in the class war taking place is coming from the people that support the policies that have given most of the income, wealth, and opportunity to the top 2%. Tax rates for these folks are at historic lows. All of the things I said above about the corporate perks have contributed to this. The wealthy have captured govt, and are writing the laws and rules to benefit themselves… and they have benefited. As I’ve said many times, since 1945 until 1979 ALL income levels, from top to bottom of the income scale, rose at the same rate… All boats DID rise together with the rising tide… Since 1979 and the deregulation, the erosion of Glass-Steagall and the combining of investment and speculative banking with commercial deposit driven banks incomes have diverged with the top income levels reaping huge gains, while the middle and lower income levels have barely progressed or have fallen behind. EVERY analysis of the relevant numbers PROVES this to be the case.
The bottom 80% of Americans own 70% of debt in this country. Some of the cause of that statistic is because they over-leveraged themselves, some of it because of dynamics between interest rates and inflation, but some of it is because of the artificial effects of the housing bubble, inflated education costs, inflated medical costs. The housing bubble, it is well documented, came out of the vastly profitable mortgage securities market, that unregulated, private derivatives market, and then the market that bet on those bundled securities… to the tune of trillions of dollars worldwide…. THAT is the class warfare that is taking place and why income, wealth and opportunity are flowing UPWARD, not downward… If it were flowing downward, we’d have a strong middle class, good paying jobs, less inequality… We have inequality now that rivals the 1920’s… Low lows and high highs… and a huge gap in between…
Mobility between classes is at historic lows. There has been some mobility WITHIN class, but not between them, except there has been a very significant broadening of the lower class as people fall out of the middle class. This has been a phenomenon taking place over the past 30 years, not just with this prez.
Right on!
“When I meet with economic leaders across the globe, they do not doubt
the underlying strength and dynamism of the U.S. economy, or the
entrepreneurialism and inventiveness of our people,” William Dudley,
president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, said in a speech at
Pace University. “But they do wonder whether our political system is
capable of putting the national interest above partisan interests and
making the tough choices needed to address these challenges.”
That about sums it up. We are at a point now when cutting spending while increasing taxes is the most responsible route. Though one side refuses to cut spending in any meaningful ways, and the other refuses to even talk about meaningful tax adjustments. We have two sides that would rather squabble and play childish games than do what needs to be done. They’d rather win the battle and lose the war. DC is filled with not adults, but petulant ideologues.
As long as we follow Kensyan economics we are gong to fail. Failure is inevitable.