Governing and politics
U.S. Sen. Susan Collins recently interviewed United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice concerning her comments on five Sunday talk shows following the Benghazi attack in which four Americans were brutally killed.
Much is being made of Collins’ post-interview comments, trying to make her efforts out to be politically motivated. The key point is being missed. Collins was not vetting Rice to determine her qualifications to be our next secretary of state. Collins was trying to understanding what happened in that Benghazi attack. Her interview was not about placing blame but rather to determine “why” and “how” such a tragedy came to pass, following a similar attack on our embassies in Africa in 1998.
These attacks were similar, but it appears that we learned little from those 1998 attacks, and history repeated itself. If the problem that led to these attacks cannot be identified and addressed, we are setting ourselves up for more of the same. Rice became a “talking head” for the president. Her talking points misled the American people. This was a terrorist attack and not a spontaneous Islamic riot gone wrong.
The responsibility she assumed in conveying erroneous information speaks to another problem: her integrity. Critics of Collins are confusing her governing efforts with playing politics. She is trying to get to the bottom of what happened in Benghazi.
Dana Saucier
Wallagrass
Transgender support admirable
Erin Rhoda’s column about a transgender man growing up in rural Maine, “ A transgender student’s perspective on identity, gender, growing up in rural Maine,” (BDN, Nov. 30) tells of Mea Tavares’ experience growing up transgender. I wish to add my experience to supplement, not critique.
My experience becoming a man has made me who I am, and, however difficult, it’s worth it. I’ve made peace with it. This is the journey of the trans person, to love what you cannot change. I came out as transgender during my final year of high school in 2011. My revelation can be better described as a dam breaking and water flooding everything in sight. One day I knew, and there was no way to stop knowing.
Ten years on from Tavares’ experiences, and in a bigger city, my school administration was very different. The administration was more than supportive, sometimes taking criticism, I’m sure, for those supportive choices.
Regardless, the stance that my school took is admirable. Teachers helped me choose colleges where I could merge as a male; the principal changed policies that would have kept me from marching in the graduation ceremony as a male; and although some students never wanted to understand, many tried and did, from different backgrounds, not just my own social circle. The risk remains, just as in Tavares’ case, but there is a lot to be said for what those around me did on my behalf, even though some relationships never survived the transition.
Aron Nichols
Bangor
Wealthy, middle tax rates
If income tax cuts are not extended for middle-income families after Jan. 1, we middle-class folks will in essence be paying down the federal deficit even as we try to provide for our needs with reduced incomes. However, there is no reason to maintain low rates for the richest 2 percent of American households: they certainly will not starve if a bit more of what they consider to be “their” money is diverted to serving the greater good of the country.
The argument that letting the rich keep their money would cause them to create jobs is not supported by recent history. They have had the advantage of low tax rates for a decade — please show me the jobs created with their retained wealth.
The tax rate on the highest income bracket peaked at 91 percent during the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations. Why anyone would complain about the proposed 39 percent is beyond me.
The panic about the imminent tumble over the “fiscal cliff” is as phony as a three dollar bill. The same Republican Party now doing the screaming allowed the deficit to build, without protest. The deficit, which was run up between 2002 and 2008, includes the cost of two “off-budget” wars, which many of us vociferously opposed to no avail.
U.S. Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins are sensible enough to know that we can’t simply cut our way out of this fiscal hole. Higher tax rates on the wealthiest Americans must be part of the final budget package.
Flo Wilder
Hancock



Oh, come on folks. Susan Collins was most certainly indulging in playing politics. She was not interested in the what and why of Benghazi any more than she was interested in the plight of the middle class taxpayer. Susan Collins blew her cover when she stated at the end of the interview that was supposed to get to the heart of the Benghazi matter that she thought “Kerry would make a good Sect’y of State”.
Susan Collins was pushing the Republican agenda to get Brown back into the Senate. Period.
Why does the GOP think that Kerry becoming Secratery of State insure that Brown will win a seat in the Senate? He couldn’t hold his seat as an incumbent. All the Dems need to do is run a competent candidate against him to win.
I’m sure that the President can find a post that Mrs. Rice will serve with distinction that doesn’t require here going though the Senate gauntlet. Maybe she could move to Mass. and run for Kerrys vacant seat.
I don’t think Brown would be anything near a shoo-in either. (or is it, shoe-in?!)
Keep in mind we are dealing with the same people that thought they had the election so wrapped up they didn’t need a speech conseding the election.
Since Massachusetts elected Warren, (and Kennedy for all those years), it’s obvious that neither character or honesty is needed to win high office there. Susan Rice should fit right in there and be elected easily.
Mr. Saucier, the UN Ambassador has no input, whatsoever, into embassy security. Congress does, yet it refused to increase funding for embassy security. Why isn’t Senator Collins investigating Secretary of State Clinton and exploring why Congress failed in this critical funding.
Your reference to 1998 embassy attacks under President Clinton seems partisan. Have you forgotten the seven embassy or consulate attacks under President George W. Bush? I list them:
2002 US Consulate in Pakistan attacked – 10 killed
2004 US Embassy in Uzbekistan attacked – 2 killed
2004 US Consulate in Saudi Arabia attacked – 8 killed
2006 US Embassy in Syria attacked – 1 killed
2007 US Embassy in Greece – grenade attack
2008 US Embassy in Serbia set on fire
2008 US Embassy in Yemen bombed – 10 killed
Where was Senator Collins when these attacks occurred under a Republican President? Where were your letters? Stop being a partisan hack and we will pay attention to you.
How many of those attacks were on September 11th a well known favorite date of terrorists attacks?
How many of the those attacks were warned about and had extra security asked for and declined?
How many had drones flying overhead watching events in real time over a 7 hour period?
How many of them had military special forces teams as reinforcements at the line of departure ready to reinforce and were asked to stand down?
How many times can a UN Ambassador appear on weekend talk shows
blaming a terrorist attack on a little watched internet video. Oh excuse me, “spontaneous demonstrators” with Machine guns and Missile launchers?
Name one other attack on September 11 other than the one Bush was generally warned about in the August 6. 2001 PDB? As to military stand downs and specific warnings, you’ve been drinking too much Faux News Kool-Aid.
Go after the chain of command in your witchhunt. A UN Ambassador has no ability to control or direct embassy security. Why her speech is an issue, when she was following CIA talking points, is a mystery to those of us who remain sane.
Someone on the pulse of so much information should be able to handle a few simple questions without throwing red herrings around.
I agree, Cheescake, which is why I was surprised at your five red herring questions. I thought you too informed to sink to that level.
I did answer your first red herring question, by pointing out that there has been no other attack on 9/11. Your other questions assume facts that have not been established and ask me to give information about embassy and consulate attacks that Congress chose not to investigate under Bush.
Note that the last three of those seven attacks occurred while the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. They chose not to politicize disaster. Sadly, the Republicans will politicize anything. It is a sign of desperation.
Facts not yet established is a good reason to ask the questions is it not? Who changed the talking points and why is just one of many questions that deserve an answer.
There has been beefed up security regularly at diplo and military sites around the world on the anniversary of Sept 11th since 2001.(no successful attacks is a good record) and there was in certain places this time out also, but not Benghazi. It fact the Ambassador himself asked for it. Care to speculate why it wasn’t given?
Your party seems to think that President Obama and Ambassador Rice conspired to kill the Libyan ambassador. This is beyond sad.
No one said that…. your even thinking it is sad or do you secretly think that is what happened and you feel guilty about it.
Usual progressive attack on anyone with different opinions. Exaggerate what the opposition actually said to make it appear they are extreme as a way to discredit their opinion.
The attack would have been newsworthy for about 3 days. It’s the attempted coverup and lies to the public that is newsworthy. Think Watergate as a comparison…..
You apparently suggest that President Obama conspired to have the Ambassador killed.
He did not say that… but you have to admit that 7 unanswered hours raises a certain level of suspicion. Not much is provable but I would like to hear from the guys that were watching it happen from the drones flying overhead. Did they decide to not tell their superiors about it or were the superiors watching events over their metaphorical shoulders.
In Watergate, Nixon authorized the illegal activity. In referring to Watergate, Trickle surely implied prior knowledge and complicity on the President’s part. I will let you folks continue fantasizing about the terrible deeds of our “Kenyan-born Marxist Muslim Anti-Christ President.”
Is that you very best repartee?
I save my best repartee for the best posters. I’m sorry you don’t rate.
A U.S. Ambassador and his three aids were assassinated by a known terrorist group. Ambassador Rice was dispatched to the American public to give a phony explanation of what happened while the President was out campaigning. Why can’t the public get a straight answer from the President for this? Moreover, we learned only until after the election about the Petraeus scandal and the attempt by Iran to shoot down a U.S. plane. This all sounds to me like a deliberate coverup by the Administration to avoid embarrassment just before the election. It appears the public was lied to in order to steal an election because the Administration refuses to give us straight answers. There is little doubt in my mind the election result would have been different had the public been given the truth in timely fashion.
And just who do you think authorized the attempted cover up of Benghazi? Mickey Mouse?
Thank you for your most accurate description yet of our national embarrassment, campaigner in chief, Obama.
I did not say that at all. What I do believe is that he failed to take proper action during the event because he was too busy campaigning to do his job. And I believe that starting the day after the event Obama conspired to cover up the administration’s failure.
Why, then, did he denounce it as an act of terror in the attack’s immediate aftermath?
What you are saying sure looks that way. I’ll go one step further, it appears Obama may have been trying to steal the election much like President Nixon did in his wiretapping operation. Moreover we didn’t find out about the Petraeus scandal and the attempted Iranian shoot-down of one of our airplanes until after the election. Why all the coverup? The Administration won’t give us any answers, so what are we to believe?
It stayed in the news because of the rabid witch hunt by the Republicans.
I love the new up/down vote system :) Truly illuminating. Just like with the election, very few are buying the garbage talking points that Republicans are peddling! But let me guess, ACORN, the gays and illegitimate voters are influencing the up/down? LOL
that is because the BDN is such a left wing propaganda piece, nobody is reading it but the low information liberals who fall for all the smoke and mirrors. Most people are getting their news elsewhere.
*Yeah, us really smart peeps is gettin’ all we nede to no frum FOX.
*note: sarcasm alert for those that listen to Fox News. LOL
Have you noticed how many very progressive “feel good” articles, (also known as “fluff pieces”, etc.), are now on the front page of the paper?
Of course they are….you know that! They are lurking on here, ready to vote down any Republican poster ! Really, this is not a stretch. From comments, you can see that there are those who really think that way. Their minds see conspiracies everywhere they look practically. Or else, they think that if people vote down their comments, that those voting them down are upset about the comments, or they are “getting to them”. We have heard that hue and cry for a long time. Whereas, the truth is that people vote a comment down because they disagree with it, and find it preposterous, untrue, paranoid, delusional,etc. and feel compelled to acknowledge that. It ‘s really not that hard to see.
Shortly after the Benghazi attack the question why the embassy was left undefended arose. Administration officials stated the reason for this had nothing to do with lack of funds. Besides, Congress is on record for having asked the Administration if it needed more funds for embassy security. On all previous occasions it refused.
The question remains, why was the UN Ambassador chosen to go on five Sunday talk shows to explain what happened in Benghazi if the UN Ambassador had no input in embassy security? Why didn’t the President himself or Secretary of State Clinton appear instead? These are important questions because the information relayed to the public was knowingly false. We the public should pursue this matter for our nation’s best interest. It’s very, very serious. I’m surprised that you above all people who claim to be truth seekers are ignoring these questions. I think you know down deep that the President is in deep trouble over this issue.
It would appear from your post that President Obama conspired to have the Ambassador killed.
“It would appear…” Now why would I suggest Obama conspired to kill the Ambassador at Benghazi? Come on, give me a break!
Why would the President be in “deep trouble over this issue” if he didn’t plot to have the Ambassador killed? Surely, the Republicans would treat this as they did the seven embassy or consulate attacks under Bush (all of which they ignored) were there not direct White House involvement in these murders! Surely, our Republicans in Congress aren’t mere craven opportunists!
You are being as ridiculous as the Republican fools in Congress. Get over this. This manufactured scandal is going nowhere.
By the way, in another post you suggest that it was an embassy that was attacked. That is but one of your many points of misinformation. It was a consulate. The embassy is always in the host nation’s capital, in this case Tripoli.
And above you screech about reckless accusations — now you’re singing a different tune. Why the double standard? Why the hypocrisy?
Here we go again! Hey wolf, what do you have against me? By now you must know I’m a nice guy. I don’t pick on you. So why all that negativism directed at me? Peace!
That’s not the point. I tried that route sometime back. It won’t work. The fact is you are a forceful conservative voice and that means you have a big target on your forehead.
You are absolutely right about being a target. And so are you for that matter. That said, I don’t really think they are all as mean-spirited as they sound. Many posters just react as they do in other blogs. You’ll probably agree with me on this: if their real identities were exposed, they would be less apt to be strident in their views.
Thank you for your support.
It’s not mean-spirited to point out that you’re creating a double standard for yourself. I have something against unfairness and dishonesty. So when you call something reckless, but then engage in that exact same behavior, I’m going to call it out. That’s not negativism — that’s someone holding you accountable for your poor behavior. You can scream victim all you want, but it doesn’t make what you’re doing right.
Here we go again. An ongoing vendetta by someone who does not want to hear an opposing view. Buddy, you need some counseling. Not everybody who disagrees with you is out to get you. Smell a rose. Better yet, take a break from this format to rid yourself of your rage and relentless grudge.
Why do you need to personally attack me? I never said or demonstrated anything about not being able to handle disagreement. That seems to be your issue. After all, I point out something that you don’t like and suddenly you start screaming victim and saying I need help. I don’t have a grudge against you — I have a grudge against dishonesty and hypocrisy.
Does it matter what you say? You are actively dishonest and can never provide proof for your accusations. Just empty words from you.
No, pointing out your use of double standards isn’t picking on you. It’s pointing out unfairness and hypocrisy. I just don’t think it’s right to complain about a behavior and then two seconds later engage in that same behavior.
By now, after months and months of harassment by you, I have no doubt you are a very angry person with deep grudges to boot in need of anger management counseling. One thing you seem to know: you are one of those posters I was talking about trying to target me personally. With that I rest my case.
That’s silly. All I did was point out your double standards and now you’re attacking me personally. Don’t project your own personal issues onto me. I’m not harassing you — that’s a laughable assertion.
No, we don’t think so but we know you hope he is in “deep trouble.”
It was not an embassy.
Please explain why the place where our Libyan ambassador in Libya resided with his staff and official records was not an embassy. My dictionary defines “embassy” as “the official residence or offices of an ambassador”. To boot our government considers the attack there as an incursion on our sovereignty.
Chenard has answered your question above.
Did any of the people in the instances you state ask for help, and were refused? Or was it a surprise attack? They did in Benghazi.
As Congress has not yet chosen to investigate any of these other attacks, we will not know. I suggest you write Senator Collins and insist that these other seven attacks be thoroughly investigated first. I don’t accept your spin about asking for help and being refused.
Of course you don’t.
Why not investigate all the republicans who voted to cut State’s
budget by millions.
Of course you don’t, as they lie too much, and get most of their “information” from Fox “news”. or someplace like the NY Post !
She was rubber stamping the Shrub’s every step
Attacks on American Embassies and Consulates are a given and to be expected. They will continue to happen and lessons learned should help to keep future attacks from being successful.
The question is why so little was done in Benghazi considering everything that transpired for months leading up to the attack. And more important is the administration attempting to lie to the American public and cover up the entire event for political reasons.
Dana Saucier~
It’s transparent.
That’s just reckless speculation on your part. You really don’t know Collins’ intentions and have absolutely no grounds for your assertion. Why post unless you have something of value to share?
Since you apparently feel you know what Collins intentions were, please, tell us why at the end of her comments on her interview with Rice did she make the completely irrelevant, unconnected and unnecessary statement that Kerry would make a good Sect’y of State. The interview with Rice was not about a new Sect’y of State it was about what happened at Benghazi.
Let me get something straight, I’ve never been an active supporter of Senator Collins. I disagree with her on many, many issues.
Contrary to your assertion, I do not know what Senator Collins intentions are with regard to herself and Senator Kerry’s senate seat. A prior post made an obvious speculation without offering any grounds for it. My reply simply called out the poster on it. You’re free to go back and check that poster’s remarks and my reply to it.
Perhaps you need to take your own advice. Most of what you say is out of this world!
I can post my opinions just as you can yours. Pfftt…
You made a value judgement against someone without bothering to offer any grounds for your gratuitous statement. You could at least have offered reasons for your position, which you didn’t.
If you want to redeem yourself it’s not too late. Either way, offer an apology or at least a reasonable explanation for the poor character judgement of Ms. Collins. My mother always used to say, if you can’t say something nice about someone, keep mum. In this case I simply assailed your comment while leaving your character out of the picture.
Back to saving souls whawell ?. Your misrepresentations , I am being kind here, are commonplace.
Save yourself whawell and stop your unfounded accusations.
Read my comment and you will see I’m not the one who attacked Ms. Collins without grounds. The prior poster did that It sounds to me like you are trying to turn the table on me.
Flo Wilder- The top 1% do not give a rat’s plump behind about America and her financial problems. If they did, they would not have moved all the factories to China in the first place. Patriotism is for the young men who go off to fight the wars that they profit from. Greed calls the shots these days, not common sense, ethics, or morality.
So what do you think is fair?
I wish that you’d win a million dollars in the lottery, and then watch what happens to your winnings. Immediately the government seizes 1/2 of it. One would think that maybe 10% would be fair, but no. Then you will be taxed every year on what you have left, so what do you really end up with? The government takes the majority of your winnings in the end, if you add it all up, and people have just grown accustomed to it. Anyone with any sense would only let them get their first cut, and then transfer every bit of what’s left to a foreign bank.
Greed? How is anyone supposed to conduct business with “ethics or morality” when you have to spend every minute trying to fend of such a corrupt greedy government?
Maybe the economy really does need to finally totally collapse and start over.
How about starting with putting patriotism in front of profits? Anyone that closed down a factory in America to move it to China should be tried for treason, in my opinion. I do not play the lottery. It is taxation for people who flunked math. You are not taxed every year on what you have left. You pay tax on the interest accrued on “what you have left.” I don’t think that we should tax the top 1% to solve our budget problems. I think that we should cut them off completely by buying American. We simply can not continue to send our jobs and our money to COMMUNIST China and wonder why no one has a job or any money. It makes us look simple.
i wish i could like this comment more than once. well said, good sir.
Our lust for cheap Chinese crap is killing our economy, period. Big corporate America and the top 1% have sold out the working men and women of this great nation for fun and insane profits. This is how bad it has gotten. In 1985 under Reagan’s watch, our trade deficit with the People’s Republic of China was $6 million. In 2011 it was over $350 billion. That is an increase in percentage of 5,833,233%. If that doesn’t bother someone, then they don’t understand the problem to begin with. Buy local, buy American, and pay your FAIR share in taxes. That is how we put America back on track. Waiting for big money and their political lap dogs to have a change of heart and a surge of patriotism is a fool’s game, at best.
What is killing our economy are the policies that continue to put more and more money in fewer and fewer hands as the equity gap just grows and grows.
I agree. Our trade policies were negotiated by dim wits bent on pandering to the top 1% and what they wanted. With no regard what so ever as to how it would affect jobs here in America. The good news is that the consumer has the final say on where stuff is made. If everyone walked into big retail tomorrow and demanded American made products and refused to buy any more cheap Chinese crap, every factory around here would be back up and running within six months. Every time someone walks out of WalMart, KMart, or Target with another bag load of Chinese crap, we are telling the traitors that packed up American factories and moved them to China that they did the right thing. Sorry if this offends anyone, but it is the sad truth.
Agree.
You do realize that some serious progressives have proposed a new tax. A “wealth” tax. A tax not on income but on what you own.
I saw that. There are any number of groups as you said proposing such a thing. They may face some constitutional issues… but much of the time that really doesn’t matter to progressives. They will say we have a “living breathing document” to fall back on.
You said the magic word. “Proposed.” There is a huge difference between legislation that is proposed and legislation that is enacted. We have far too much lunacy that is already enacted to worry too much about proposals. Besides, we already have taxes on what you own. Property taxes, excise taxes, and business taxes. Just to name a few. I don’t want to see taxes raised on anyone. I don’t want to see taxes lowered for anyone. I want to see us put America back to work and stop importing our way into economic ruin for the benefit of a very few “Americans.” Trust me, if we buy local, buy American, and pay our FAIR share in taxes, the rest of our problems would sort themselves out like magic.
The American left seems to have a fetish with European socialism and there are “wealth” taxes there. I can see the hue and cry now. France has a “wealth tax” why not us?
Like I said they will have Constitutional problems but new laws always begin with a hue & cry.
Another Fox echo.
Oh come one. You can do better than that. How many times have you seen leftist posters here use Europe as a model for correcting all things wrong here?
There are any number of progressive websites advocating for a “wealth tax”. Look around.
Where exactly is the Fox Echo?
You cut to the chase. Good one!
And…buy local as much as possible. Help the smaller businesses rather than the big box chains. We just continue this trend of jobs being taken overseas, the more we support leaders and corporations that promote these practices. It will never end till enough people say, “enough already.” (and put their money where their mouth is, so to speak.) Even “small steps” to reverse the current momentum, but that is better than doing nothing.
That is a very silly comparison. The lottery winnings are taxed as gifts. This is not the same tax as income tax or capital gains tax.
I thought it would be taxed at the marginal rate.
They are not taxed as gifts however. They are taxed as Gambling winnings which have some special rules.
You will receive a form W-2G from the Feds.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw2g.pdf
I even get dislikes from passing on tax data from the IRS… Gotta love it!! :) Must be doing something right to tick off the left so much!!
LOL!!! Don’t get too buffed up Cheesecake. Everyone hates the IRS, left, right, and right down the middle.
Maybe because you are kinda like Romney, you say bad things about people and call them names etc… and then you want people to vote for you.
You burnt your bridges! All of them.
Unlike you I don’t post in order to get likes… I’ll give my opinion and if people dislike my opinion that’s Ok too. But I will not allow you to bully me like you did EJ, Americon and any other number of other posters you have driven off this site. I will give as good as I am given. If I am better at it than you so be it.
LOL. I noticed that too. I guess some people don’t like facts!:)
Same here!! LOL
You’re not taxed every year on the balance. You’re taxed capital gains taxes on whatever securities you have it invested in. And in order to trigger a taxable event, you have to have made a profit in that period and then cash in some of the shares of the securities. Prior to Obama, that would be only 15% of what you sold, a very reasonable tax rate. Furthermore, if their were no gains between when you bought the securities and when you sold them, there would be no tax at all. You are only taxed on the gains. This is a huge incentive for average people to invest and enhance their retirements. Unfortunately, Obama wants to grow the capital gains tax to 25% or more. So much for the retirement benefits of millions of seniors who were counting on the lesser tax during their retirement. I am one of those seniors and I will be directly negatively impacted. And I am certainly not wealthy by any measure. I know many of you believe you voted for a good man in Obama. In the coming months, you’re going to learn that good men can make bad decisions no matter what their motives.
Dana Saucier,
Puleeze !! What you say is exactly the tortured bunk that Collins is spewing.
I notice that Collins has pretty much gone silent on this yet she is sending out her troops to speak for her. It will not work. She is playing cynical politics plain and simple and mercilessly trashing a fine public servant, Ambassador Rice. This is about getting Scott Brown back in the senate. Someone she campaigned tirelessly for and someone by the way, who co-sponsored the Blunt/Brown amendment to put women’s reproductive decisions in the hands of employers. What a guy.
You should both be ashamed of yourselves.
If this indeed a “Republican conspiracy” to get Scott Brown back into the Senate there are three cures. One, the President does not appoint John Kerry to anything either Secretary of State or Defense. Two, Senator Kerry realizes there is a “threat” to replace him with Republican and with draws his name. Three the Democratically controlled Massachusetts government changes, again, the law about replacement of an elected official, so Governor Patrick can appoint a Democrat to fill the term and run as an incumbent.
There are many scenarios that could play out. Another reason for the witch hunt on Ambassador Rice was to attack a close advisor to the President, a back door attack on him.
These meshugana Republicans will take any opportunity for their pathetic attacks, period.
Tho I am no where near the highest tax bracket I find it quite amusing how easy it is to say people that are already having over half of the money they work for taken from them should be willing to have more taken and be happy about it .How many of you would be willing to give me half of” your money” so I wouldn’t have to work .Any takers ,will gladly meet tomorrow at a location of your choice ,I am looking forward to many who will to take me up on my offer and to continue the relationship on a weakly basis.Thanks to all who reply in advance.
You don’t understand marginal tax rates or taxable income. As someone who has occasionally paid the highest marginal rate, let me explain:
Gross income of $500,000, after deductions and expenses, will likely produce taxable income of $400,000. The higher rate at issue is only applied to the taxable income over $250,000. 4.6 % (the proposed increase in the top marginal rate) of $150,000 (the taxable income over $250,000) is $6,900. Thus, Republicans are squawking about a tax increase that equals 1.38% of gross income of $500,000!
These taxes aren’t being used to pay someone not to work. We have already had welfare reform, and unemployment insurance is paid from U/E taxes paid by the employer. This notion that 47% of America are takers is foolish. The states most likely to vote Republican receive far more in federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes. The states most likely to vote Democratic pay far more in taxes than they receive in benefits. NY Democrats are subsidizing Mississippi and Alaska Republicans.
Most Americans work and those that don’t have good reason not to: age, young children for whom they are the sole support, military injuries, etc.
Right wingers seem incapable, or at least unwilling, to grasp what you say, including your last paragraph. They are chronic offenders when it comes to telling others (who they often do not even know) what they do , what they don’t do, what they should do, that they are on welfare,etc. Reveals a very paltry character on their part. Their need to do that is telling about them.
Thanks.
Thank you so much for injecting reality into the conversation.
By your response I take it we can mean at some point by the end of the weak so you can help me out by giving me half of your money.Thanks for your response and I look to spending your money.
Why are you advocating for the “end of the weak?” Doesn’t Christianity tell us that the weak among us are blessed? Are you adopting the Ayn Rand philosophy of Paul Ryan that the weak among us should be allowed to die?
How did you possibly glean that out of my post pray tell
I apparently read your posts more carefully than you. Your initial post uses the phrase “end of the weak.” As I presume you are too well educated to misspell a simple word like “week,” I took your words as having the literal intent they conveyed.
Yes I must be of minimal intelligence because I did misspell “week”but I am very surprised by someone of your high intellect not being able to follow the thread of the sentence or for that matter not picking up on some of my other misspells.It must excruciatingly boorish for you to have to deal with such mentally challenged like myself . Now back to why you responded to my post in the first place ,when do I get my half.
Your spelling skills are better than your reading skills. I pointed out that no one pays half their income in income taxes and you still don’t get it. I pointed out that most Americans (and most Democrats) work and you still don’t get it. I pointed out that the few Americans who don’t work and get assistance have very good reasons (age, disability, military injuries, care responsibilities for very young children) and you still don’t get it. Judging by the respective likes and dislikes for our posts, our readers do get it.
Again I don’t live my life by the likes and dislikes of other,being in the majority has never been that important to me.Even someone of diminished intellect like myself can see how fuzzy your math is.To say some one who is already paying 185,000 in taxes[thats an estimate on 500,000 you posted about]should not mind paying another 6,900 shows how generous you must be so when do I get my half of yours.Tomorrow is good for me how about you.
You still don’t understand marginal rates. Because the rate increases only on income above certain thresholds, the taxes on a gross income of $500,000 (taxable income of $400,000) for a couple filing a joint return would be around $109,000, not $185,000, under current law. No one pays a gross tax rate of 37%, which your post posits.
Only 109,000 on400,000 wow you are generous so when do I get my half of your money today is good for me
Again with the. Fuzzy math 37% of 400,000 would be 149,000 .Honestly I think you are stalling you we’re only supposed to reply to my post if you we’re going to give me half of your money seeings how you don’t mind other people having half of their money taken.i get the feeling that you are only generous with what is taken from other .
YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND MARGINAL TAX RATES. No one pays a 37 % federal income tax rate. It is 10% on the first $17,400 of earned income, 15% on income between $17,400 and $70,700, 25% on income between $70,700 and $142,700, 28% on income between $142,700 and $217,450, 33% on income between $217,450 and $388,350, and 35% on income in excess of $388,350. If you do the math, you will see that income taxes on $400,000 of taxable income are around $109,000, which represents an effective 21.8% tax rate on the gross income of $500,000. The extension of Bush tax rates for income below $250,000 benefits every taxpayer.
I likely pay more in tips than you do in taxes. I will likely be supporting you in your retirement due to my higher contributions in Social Security and Medicare taxes as both an employee and employer. You are welcome for my assistance.
It is way past time for a stupidity tax.
I could go for that. Finally progressives would pay their fair share.
Great response.
Saucier, I would agree if they were actually investigating anything at all about what happened before the attack, except they are not. They are only investigating the talking points afterwards. Also, no one is trying to get to the bottom of what happened at Benghazi, We do know what happened that night . It pretty clear what happened. Some how people seem to think the talking points after the attack, cause the attack to happen.
It really doesn’t matter what caused the attack or what the administration did to explain it.
What matters is that our commander in chief watched in real time as the Benghazi attack unfolded and DID NOTHING.
Another in a long line of this administration’s failures, with more to come.
Many, many more.
God help us.
You are a consistent Liar, I’ll give you that.
I don’t understand why you are so angry.
Is it your meds?
The “talking points” did not cause the attack to happen… The talking points version that were delivered were so at odds with real events it should cause people real concern about what what is going on at the White House and State.
The person who should have been out front delivering them is Hillary Clinton. Instead she headed for the exits . Kind of odd all around.
Hillary may have refused to do it. While i don’t like her politics i do believe she is smart and could see the strong potential for this to blow up on her.
But i believe the more likely explanation is that Obama wanted to put Rice out there where she would look like a good candidate to replace Clinton. And Rice, even knowing she was telling a lie, was willing to sell her soul for a chance to become secretary of state.
Good analysis. You wouldn’t think it but I sometimes forget how duplicitous these folks are.
You sure do make stuff up. It’s what those on the ‘right’ do when they can’t.
Rice said what the highest intelligence clearance told her to say at that early moment. Condi Rice supposedly did the same thing as she intentionally lied for months about WMD’s and Collins never blinked about endorsing her for Sec. of State nor did she blink about a war for contractors that stole the treasury.
Dana, great letter. Obama had shot his mouth off many times on how he alone saved the world from terrorism and the Libya attacks proved this to be a lie. Rice went out and perpetuated this lie, knowing terrorism is stronger than ever, with S of S as the prize. These 2 displayed treasonous behavior, just for election purposes, and should be held accountable.
Pres. Bush involved us in an unfunded war in Iraq, gave over $800,000,000,000.00 in open ended contracts to Haliburten, Dick Cheney’s company and caused the deaths of over at least 100,000 people and you are worried about 4 deaths of U.S. citizens? How concerned you are! What a true patriot!
Where was your outrage over the Iraq debacle? You obviously have not much to say other than tea party nonsense. You simply are prejudiced against aything perceived as democratic. You are way off base.
Would you care to give us those treasonous quotes and links to the treasonous “behavior”?
Flo, the Maine senators know full well attacking the top 2% is a very small percent of the solution. I is more of a “feel good” attitude by liberals to segregate a small group of people and take money from them because “they can afford it.”The real fiscal cliff comes next year when real cutbacks are needed, no matter how high taxes are raised.
That’s all well and fine re: Collin’s remarks about the 1998 attacks, but if we’re going to dredge up the past, let’s stop first before swinging that far back. We literally went to war because of bad information. Yet somehow we’re going to find it most important to screech about a woman who had little to do with attacks on us? Why are we blaming our own for our enemy attacking us? This is ridiculous and honestly, it’s stinks. It’s stinks of disgusting politics. This is using and exploiting deaths for politic gain. It’s shameful.
The capital gains tax should be the first tax rate to increase back to what it was. I think it is wrong to discourage labor through the tax code and that’s exactly where we’re at right now. You’re better sitting on your money and investing than you are going out into the world and actually working. To me, that’s entirely backwards. Guys like Mitt Romney should be paying massively higher rates than Joe the plumber and yet, that’s not the case.
If Joe the plumber is one of the 46% lower income earners he pays at a ZERO income tax rate. That is lower than short term capital gains which is taxed at ordinary income and the 2011 capital gains tax rate of 15%. I always thought that zero was lower than 15 but then again I am not very good at Democratic math.
Nice try at a dig, but you pulled your 46% and 0% numbers out of the sky. You don’t get to make things up in order to try and prove me wrong.
Labor shouldn’t be discouraged. 35% max income rates compared to 15% max capital gains rates is backwards.
Out of the sky? Really? I was thinking of a darker place.
He does have very dark intentions and a miserable paranoia about others. Just look at all the baseless accusations and condescension aimed at me and others from him.
Very common numbers backed up by IRS data.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm
Even CNN will tell you its fact albeit with the caveat that that they pay FICA & Medicare, but it was you that were talking income taxes.
I don’t care. Your numbers are irrelevant. I never said anything about the lowest rate income tax rate being higher than the highest capital gains rate or whatever you’re trying to prove me wrong about. You’re arguing a point I didn’t make.
Have some integrity for once and stop trying to create an argument where it doesn’t exist. You’re not proving me wrong by creating a new set of facts in regard to my scenario.You know I didn’t say anything like 0 is bigger than 15, so drop it.
*Its kind of hard to play fighting deletions*
I absolutely did not edit my post at all. You’re either mistaken or lying.
“wolfndeer wrote:
The capital gains tax should be the first tax rate to increase back to what it was. I think it is wrong to discourage labor through the tax code and that’s exactly where we’re at right now. You’re better sitting on your money and investing than you are going out into the world and actually working. To me, that’s entirely backwards. Guys like Mitt Romney should be paying massively higher rates than Joe the plumber and yet, that’s not the case.”
From my email notification of your 9:05AM reply to me.
You can apologize now to me now.
You edited back your post…. a second time. .
I didn’t. Enough is enough. This is really disgusting what you’re doing. The accusations, the dishonesty…just stop it.
No point in responding to you. If you find yourself factually cornered you will just edit your initial post to something more palatable to you. You are the dishonest one.
I didn’t edit my post and I provided proof that I didn’t either. What you’re doing is disgusting and dishonest. You have no proof, just empty accusations.
After getting their Earned Income Tax Credit many do not even pay either SSI or Medicare taxes either.
To her credit, Snowe has come out for protecting the tax cuts for the 98 percent.
On this Collins has been silent. Perhaps once the ship has sailed she will jump on, her usual practice.
I’ll wait till the negotiation is over and see where she comes down.
You mean in the 11th hour as per her usual history, what a leader !!
She didn’t invent that tactic, and she certainly hasn’t perfected it. That has been our Congress for years…and it is way worse now. Actually, as a member of the Gang of Six, she would try to keep things from getting to the 11th hour without a plan.
Did not say or suggest that she had invented it. She sure employs it, time and time again. I simply do not trust her and I repeat, she is no leader.
Republicans voted down, in the recent past, funding for more embassy support. Why is that point overlooked?
A. Nichols, F. Wilder; good letters.
Susan Collins is always playing politics, or she would not have ran again after two terms, like she promised. She votes republican more than Maine.
Good letter Flo Wilder, although I’ll take issue with you on whether Susan Collins will show any good sense on the taxation issue. My guess is she will protect the wealthy just as she always has.