WASHINGTON — The contours of a deal to avert the year-end “fiscal cliff” are becoming increasingly clear. But progress has been slow, and time is running out for leaders to seal an agreement and sell it to restless lawmakers who so far have been given little information.
With hope still alive for a resolution by Christmas, President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, met Sunday at the White House, their first face-to-face meeting in nearly a month and their first one-on-one session since July 2011, when they last tried to forge a far-reaching compromise to tame the national debt.
Neither side would provide details, but White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage and Boehner spokesman Michael Steel released identical statements saying that “the lines of communication remain open.”
Lawmakers say action this week is vital if Obama and Boehner hope to win approval by the end of the year for complex, bipartisan legislation that would raise taxes, push down social-safety-net spending and lift the federal debt limit.
“We’re getting down to as late as it’s physically possible to actually turn a framework into enactable legislation and then actually get it passed,” said Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., who is anticipating a complicated bill with “many real consequences for average Americans’ lives.” He added: “For senators to responsibly vote on a big, bold framework or package, we need time to review, debate and discuss this. And we are rapidly running out of running room.”
In recent days, Boehner has called repeatedly on Obama to respond to an offer the GOP laid out last week. By Friday, a frustrated Boehner was complaining that, while the two sides continued to talk, there was “no progress to report.”
It was not immediately clear whether that changed Sunday. But with written proposals from both sides now on the table, senior aides say the elements of a deal are coming into focus:
Fresh tax revenue, generated in part by raising rates on the wealthy, as Obama wants, and in part by limiting their deductions, as Republicans prefer. The top rate could be held below 39.6 percent, or the definition of the wealthy could be shifted to include those making more than $375,000 or $500,000, rather than $250,000 as Obama has proposed.
Obama wants $1.6 trillion over the next decade, but many Democrats privately say they would settle for $1.2 trillion. Boehner has offered $800 billion, and Republicans are eager to keep the final tax figure under $1 trillion, noting that a measure to raise taxes on the rich passed by the Senate this summer would have generated only $831 billion.
Savings from health and retirement programs, a concession from Democrats necessary to sell tax hikes to GOP lawmakers. Obama has proposed $350 billion in health savings over the next decade. Boehner has suggested $600 billion from health programs and an additional $200 billion from using a stingier measure of inflation, reducing cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security recipients.
Additional savings sufficient to postpone roughly $100 billion in across-the-board agency cuts set to hit in 2013, known as the sequester, and to match a debt-limit increase. The sequester, perhaps paired with an automatic tax hike, could then serve as a new deadline, probably sometime next fall, for wringing additional revenue from the tax code and more savings from entitlement programs.
If Obama and Boehner can agree on substance, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., and House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., are already at work on a legislative structure.
“We’re trying to get ahead of the curve here . . . to answer a lot of these technical questions about frameworks, guidelines — for both tax and entitlements,” Baucus said.
Policy aides say both sides want to avoid the constraints of the budget reconciliation process and are instead focused on drafting two relatively simple bills. One would instruct the tax-writing committees to undertake an overhaul of the tax code and the other would order up legislation to improve the solvency of Medicare and Social Security.
Those measures are likely to contain little more than savings targets and some principles to guide work next year, aides said. Trying to get too specific would not only take time but also could kill any chance of passage.
Even settling on a health-care number could prove problematic. Democrats argue that anything over $400 billion in savings over 10 years implies unacceptable benefit cuts. And Republicans are certain to demand at least one specific policy that permanently changes the soaring trajectory of entitlement costs, a tough concession for Democrats.
“They want something to put on the wall, to say, ‘OK, we gave on taxes. They gave on [entitlements],’ ” said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate. “I hope we don’t go that route, [but] we may end up facing it as the only way out of this.”
Durbin argued against two ideas Obama tentatively endorsed in 2011 — raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 and changing the inflation measure. The first would shift costs onto employers and Obama’s new health-care initiative, analysts say, and the second would affect programs well beyond Social Security.
“Would a reduction in the COLA apply to disabled veterans’ ” benefits, Durbin asked skeptically. “Ready for that vote on the floor?”
Durbin said Democrats would prefer raising Medicare costs or reducing benefits for better-off seniors. After a presidential campaign focused on attacking Democrats for cutting Medicare to pay for “Obamacare,” Republicans, too, might find that approach more palatable.
“My little sister, who makes [an average income], shouldn’t be paying for Warren Buffett’s Medicare. So there are different ways to skin this cat,” said Rep. Patrick Tiberi, R-Ohio, a senior Ways and Means Committee member.
Some Republicans have also suggested scaling back the new health-care subsidies, which are scheduled to begin in 2014 for people making as much as 400 percent of the federal poverty level, about $92,000 for a family of four. And there’s interest in setting per capita caps on payments to state governments for Medicaid, the health program for the poor.
While Democrats are anxious about shredding the safety net, Republicans are anxious about everything — and under heavy pressure to act. A Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll last week found that a majority of Americans would blame the GOP if talks between Obama and Boehner fail to avert more than $500 billion in automatic tax hikes and spending cuts set to hit in January, potentially sparking a new recession.
If the elusive deal with Obama fails to materialize, some senior Republicans are counseling Boehner to cut his losses and shift pressure onto the Democratic Senate by giving Obama exactly what he keeps asking for: House passage of a Senate-passed bill that would maintain current tax rates for 98 percent of taxpayers and let rates rise for the top 2 percent.
That measure would leave a huge mess in January: It contains no extension of emergency unemployment benefits, no payroll tax cut and no protection for doctors from a looming 30 percent cut in Medicare reimbursements.
Most problematic for Obama, the measure would not lift the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling. With the debt already nudging up against that cap, Republicans would have leverage to resume the fight over spending early next year.
“We don’t have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year’s end,” Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., said on “Fox News Sunday.” “So a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and I think it has merit, where you go ahead and give the president . . . the rate increase on the top 2 percent, and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements.”
Pushing the Senate bill through the House is easier said than done, however. Even if every Democrat supported it, Boehner would need around 30 Republicans to sign on — an unappetizing prospect even for moderates.
“It fixes the political problem for Republicans, but it doesn’t fix the problems” of the nation, said Rep. Steven LaTourette (R-Ohio), a close Boehner ally. “I’m willing to stand up against the tax rates unless there’s something on the entitlement side.”
So far, House leaders have rejected that approach. But whatever course Boehner ultimately chooses, lawmakers say the sales job must begin soon.
“I support the speaker’s efforts” to negotiate with Obama, said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, an influential conservative. But “like every other member of the House Republican conference, I reserve the right to see whatever is negotiated before I decide how to vote.”



Republicans are a joke on this. They want to prove they care about the debt by extending unfunded tax cuts? They want to prove they care about the debt by cutting entitlements while they accused Obama of “pulling the plug on grandma” when he cut from entitlements earlier?
It’s a joke.
How about a little sympathy for the GOP? They are in a difficult position. The top 2% have seen their wealth explode by 300% in the last 20 years while the other 98% of us have seen our wealth decline. How can the GOP raise taxes on the top 2% without biting the hand that feeds them? How can they raise taxes on the shrinking paychecks of everyone else and do it with a straight face? They have to work hard behind the scenes to help send more jobs out of America and do so without getting nailed to the cross by public opinion. They have to deny the overwhelming evidence of global warming and cater to the wants and needs of people like the Koch brothers while not coming off as just plain dim. Again, how about a little sympathy for their unenviable task?
Sympathy, but for the Gang Who Can’t Shoot Straight and who dug their own snake pit.
Sympathy for the GOP is like showing “Sympathy for the Devil”
As the words below give credence to your statement.
“I’m a man of wealth and taste I’ve been around for a long, long year”
Ironically enough, the guys who wrote that song are now millionaires many times over and probably staunch Republicans by now! lol.
lol, I never liked the Stones.
What the real joke is are people thinking that taxing the wealthy will somehow translate into fixing anything. You are essentially putting a band-aid on a broken leg. A few days of our government’s outrageous spending will quickly off set any gains brought to the government by taxing the rich more. And unfunded? Unfunded is a cute little term people like you love to say, but its not really what is happening, its the bottom line that its less money they get to spend, but they love to make it sound more serious than that, so its “unfunded”.
Allow a little logic into your head. If you get a small boost in income but still spend more than what you take in, how are we fixing anything? The only way we will start to fix anything is if we cannot spend a cent more than we take in, and if we do, then it must be used to pay off our insane debt load that both parties have piled up.
A bandaid on a hemorrhaging gash would be more accurate than a broken leg. ;)
There will be no short term, magical fix. It doesn’t exist. Why must they all be so dramatic? Start with Obama’s band aid, then move on to bandages and stitches.
True, but the point I was getting at is they are using the wrong approach to patch the injury….guess I should have been a little clearer.
Doing it “right” today and cutting all the resources necessary to fix the gash, would leave us with a new set of harsh side effects. Classic question of – which is worse, the disease or the cure?
As much as this is being made into a point of no return moment – it’s not. Slowly rolling back spending and slowly increasing revenue is the best long term approach.
I agree a long term approach is probably the smartest way to get us in the right direction, but the problem with long term is that a few years out, something always comes up. A war, fiscal collapse, bailouts, environmental catastrophes…something will come up and destroy any minimal progress and gains we make.
Its happened multiple times in the last 20 years. We mean well, try to slowly make progress, then we go in all out war, or a housing bubble brings our economy to its knees, and to cover that spending, we don’t change our revenues, in fact we decreased them, and then turn around and spend even more money.
Sometimes, like with my band-aid analogy earlier, its best to just rip it off real quick and deal with that instant pain. Either way we are going to have side effects. The way we are handling it now will continue on endlessly (well until we really do have no more money and options), the other will hurt a lot in the beginning, but like your suggestion to fix things slowly, we could also act fast and slowly rebuild.
There hasn’t been a war that was necessary to the defense of the USA since WW2. Part of our problem as I already said, is that our priorities are wrong. We are trying to fix the world while our own economy suffers. I am not saying we should abandon our obligations entirely, though it’s far time we put Americans needs first. Military should not come before entitlements, ever. Once we’re back in the black, perhaps we could talk remaking the world again.
The housing bubble and the resulting “corrections” were entirely avoidable. We listened to the wrong “experts”. We still do.
Environmental catastrophes should be paid for in full by the offenders – Obama keeping BP to task on that was something I hope most recognize. I haven’t heard much from Republicans on this matter.
True acts of god cannot be avoided, but we can be better prepared and minimize costs and lives lost.
I am not suggesting the president and congress won’t have to deal with adversity or will ever have an easy job, though we could insulate ourselves better with more consistent long term approaches.
I think we are on the same page. I think its time we focus on ourselves, fix our problems within. Its pretty sad that we still go on nation building and showing these countries how they should adapt to our system of government when back home its crumbling beneath us due to very poor judgement and leadership. I don’t blame one single president or party any longer…all of them are equally as bad, just in different ways. I would bet there is some sort of solution with ideas from both the far right and left, but I think its going to be a long time before we see a real change. Like with putting off utilizing renewable energy until we absolutely have to, we will maintain this failure of a government we have in place now until we have basically no other choice but to change or collapse.
Yep. There’s a lot of great ideas on both sides and from independents and 3rd parties. Shame that it doesn’t all come together in many politicians and that weaknesses more often than not, outweigh the strengths.
I blame the politicians and their vapid partisanship, though I also blame the fickle, shallow nature of the American voter.
Letting the Bush tax cuts expire for those making over $250,000 will bring in $950 billion in revenue over the next 10 years according to the CBO.
No one is proposing what you claim they’re proposing. No one is saying that a tax increase alone will fix the debt. No one has said that, so for you to argue against that is ridiculous. You’re just arguing with yourself.
Oh come on now. Don’t pretend that during Obama’s campaign that he wasn’t saying that we needed to tax the wealthy. Its been his motive for quite a while now to increase taxes on them to assist with the budget problems our country faces. The real root of the problem though isn’t revenues, its spending. They are spending too much, way too much. We cannot keep it up–spending, borrowing, printing money, and forcing the wealthy to pay more. Its not going to fix anything. Government and their spending is the problem here, not the wealthy.
He absolutely proposed ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Where did I indicate that I’m pretending otherwise? No where.
It’s both spending and revenue. Obama ran on tax increases and spending cuts and guess what? He won by 332 to 206. That says the country wants his plan, not what you or the Republicans are putting forth.
It makes for a good sound bite “tax the rich.” It’s a lot easier to fly around the country on Air Force One giving speeches then staying in DC and working to clean up the mess we are in.
I know I sound like a broken record…but there is no avoiding taxes going up for the ultra-wealthy. It is not going to happen. The GOP needs to look out now for the middle and lower class – the 98% – this includes not just the vilified 47% – but the 51% of “hard workers”.
I don’t call 250k a year ultra wealthy. Granted, I’d love to make that much, but for many in that bracket, they are hard working individuals and families who have gone through a lot to obtain that kind of an income. The government, federal, state, and local already take a huge chunk of that income, and they still want more? When is it enough?
The reality is that this isn’t unprecedented. In fact, it was just a little over a decade ago that the rates Obama is proposing were the rates we had.
I find it funny that you argue below that the tax increases will do nothing to fix the debt, but then here you claim the tax increases are too much. So which is it? Is it an insignificant amount or is it a “huge chunk”?
Okay, if we need to explain this like we are in third grade, I will. I am saying that someone earning 250k isn’t ultra wealthy, and these tax increases proposed on them will be significant to them–but in the bigger picture, government and its revenues as a whole, its an insignificant gain in comparison to their spending.
That being said, both Bush and Obama have miserably failed at one thing. They failed to reduce their spending while also allowing a reduction in taxes for everyone. So revenues are down, yet spending has increased…don’t you see a problem with that? They could keep the tax rates as is if only they would reduce their spending.
You must have a great point, that’s why you’re resorting to insults, right?
The facts are the facts and the facts are that Obama is proposing both spending cuts and returning to Clinton-era tax rates. So you can keep pretending (or lying) that no one is talking about cuts, but that doesn’t magically make it true.
I wouldn’t be so against these tax increases if this also meant a widespread change in how government spends the money–but that isn’t going to happen. Obama still wants to increase the debt ceiling, which means he wants the ability to spend untethered. His spending cuts which seems like a paltry $350 billion over 10 years for healthcare are minimal at best, not the true cuts that need to be made to get this country out of the mountains of debt its accumulated. Someone in power has got to take the political hit one day and truly change how we spend money in this country–it will not sustain itself the way we are going right now.
You just revealed your ignorance. The debt ceiling doesn’t have to do with spending, it has to do with paying off the bills we’ve already generated. And where are you even getting that $350 billion number from?
We could also pay our bills by reducing what we are spending. The answer doesn’t always have to be to just issue new bonds to pay for our bad spending habits. Taxing the rich, raising the ceiling, its been done before. Why is it the only way? We need a real change in this county. Not just band-aid fixes again and again.
Read the article to see where I got those numbers. Its on many other articles across the web too.
Sorry, we voted and overwhelmingly we chose Obama’s balanced plan. Deal with it.
Well in 4 years when we are exactly where we stand now, but only deeper in debt, I hope you and the other brainwashed sheep wake up and realize just what a horrendous mistake you have made.
Yeah, voting for the candidate and proposals we believe in — what an awful mistake! LOL
It varies obviously by where you are in the country. Though making tax laws even more complex to account for location is obviously a bad idea. For most of the country, it is ultra-wealthy. If you are in the second percentile, you’re doing well.
But “ultra-wealthy” definitions aside, it’s clear that the ship has sailed. The president is not moving. The GOP should concede the point and salvage their cuts for the rest of the country. “If the rich can’t have their tax cuts then everyone else has to eat them too” is juvenile.
It is juvenile, but isn’t it also juvenile to just ignore the fact that their excessive spending is what got us here? Taxing the wealthy will solve nothing, its a quick fix to a significant problem that needs to stop being pushed off year to year. We encounter some variation of this every year, and every time we just push it off another year. At some point its going to hit the wall and it will all just collapse. I am only 30, and all I know is that there will be no such thing as social security if and when I get to retire. Healthcare will be a joke, and my children will be the ones paying insanely high taxes to cover for the mistakes our current administrations are making now. We need to stop spending so much money. I understand what you are saying at slow and steady–but lets start today, not sometime in the future.
Yes. Lots of children in DC. Though it’s not as if Obama is offering nothing here – deficit reduction and reduced spending is part of it. Not enough to “fix” anything certainly, though more than token. It is a reasonable deal, given that the Bush cuts could have been left off the table in their entirety. Many Democrats want all the cuts rolled back. Obama is offering a moderate deal.
I don’t suggest Obama have carte blanche by any means, though Obama and by extension, the majority of Americans – should be entitled some leverage in these negotiations. No?
I’m not much older than you and have similar concerns. I know entitlement reform needs to be taken seriously. Though I am of the belief that priorities in DC are what are “broken” more than anything else. The biggest issue contributing to our long term downward trajectory (in my opinion of course), has been foreign policy and “defense” spending.
Take away the Bush tax cuts, 2 wars funded on credit, and a financial crisis brought on by lax regulation and there is no deficit. Perhaps instead of cutting social programs the government tax the wealthy that have prospered in the current economy.
Anyway you look at it, anything that is passed, will be nothing more than a “feel-good” perpetuation of a ponzi scheme.
Folks the reality is that your taxes are going up regardless of repubs or dems.
I hate to say this but we are now in the fullness of the age when the more money you earn the worse off you will be…so don’t work so hard, don’t work the extra hours because you will pay for it in the long run.