The weather in the Netherlands city of Apeldoorn is scarcely more inviting than that of Maine — lately it has been rainy and cold — but it is a city rife with museums, movie houses and music, and Connie Scanlon has lived there for decades.
Still, the 66-year-old Lincoln-area native would rather be in Maine.
Holland “is a small country with many possibilities,” Scanlon said during a telephone interview Saturday, “but I would rather be with my family and my partner in the U.S. I left when I was 17 and I don’t know my family well. My mother is aging and I would like to get to know who she is, get to know my sisters.”
Scanlon and her partner of 38 years, 68-year-old Lia de Bruyn, are caught in the DOMA trap.
Even if Maine’s same-sex marriage bill had been voted into law in November 2011 instead of last month, the Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal benefits to legally married same-sex couples, would still force the two to spend six months a year out of the country, Scanlon said.
The two were legally married in Holland in 1999, but “in our situation, nothing will change,” Scanlon said. “We can register our marriage in Maine, but our problem is basically the federal law and immigration and the DOMA law, which says a marriage is between a man and a woman.”
Signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1996, the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, allows states to ignore marriages lawfully entered by same-sex couples in another state and permits the federal government to ignore those marriages, even if the marriages occur in another country.
Still, the two are heartened by the recent efforts of U.S. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, to effectively repeal DOMA. Collins is the sole Republican co-sponsor of a bill to give binational same-sex couples equal rights to petition for immigrant visas.
In September, Senator Collins became the first Republican to co-sponsor, with Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the Uniting American Families Act. The legislation would update U.S. immigration law to permit American citizens to sponsor same-sex partners who are applying for legal residency in the United States.
“This legislation would simply update our nation’s immigration laws to treat binational couples equally. More than two dozen countries recognize same-sex couples for immigration purposes,” Collins said in a statement released Sunday.
“This important civil rights legislation would help prevent committed, loving families from being forced to choose between leaving their family or leaving their country,” Collins added.
“With this decision, Senator Collins has demonstrated that she stands on the side of fairness in our immigration laws for all Americans and their loved ones,” Leahy said in a statement. “I hope that her support represents a turning point in the effort of so many of us to make our laws apply equally to all and to end the official discrimination that harms too many Americans.”
Collins’ new bill “certainly should pass because of your human rights, civil rights, in a democracy,” de Bruyn said. “It is just part of a democracy. Everybody has a right to be who they are.”
“I am very happy. She is a representative of the people,” Scanlon said of Collins.
Both classical pianists and music instructors, the couple had split time in the Lincoln Lakes region and Holland for years when they discovered how difficult DOMA and other laws could make their lives.
About two years ago, de Bruyn was stopped at Logan Airport in Boston and learned for the first time that her visa requirements required her to leave the U.S. for half a year.
“We thought the visa was the equivalent of a green card. We were naive, I guess,” Scanlon said. “I still haven’t found anywhere where it says that we have to be out of country for six months.”
The two had been taking only three-week vacations annually at their home in Apeldoorn, de Bruyn said.
“At that moment I became aware of the DOMA law, which said no way can I sponsor her to stay in the country,” Scanlon said. “We became very aware of the limitations and the discrimination of the U.S. Everybody seems to have rights, but that I actually, as an American citizen, have no rights as long as I am with my partner is very hurtful to me.”
Her homosexuality, Scanlon said, had always been accepted by her family during her youth in Lincoln. She graduated from Mattanawcook Academy in 1964 and played basketball and softball and played music as a student. She got a master’s degree in music at New England Conservatory after running a record store in Lincoln on Main Street in 1970-71, Scanlon said.
Scanlon moved to Rotterdam in 1974, met de Bruyn, and has been with her ever since, Scanlon said.
Federal visa requirements forced de Bruyn to leave the U.S. in August and Scanlon accompanied her. They plan to use their six months in the U.S. this year by returning to the region in late March and staying until October, preferring to enjoy a Maine summer rather than endure a Maine winter.
Scanlon and de Bruyn hope the same-sex legalization movement sweeping this country’s states will help obliterate the federal law barring them from staying here for more than a half-year at a time by the time they have to return to Holland.
“I want to be positive about this,” Scanlon said. “It [Maine’s same-sex marriage law] will help everybody in Maine where they are searching for recognition and someplace to live where they are accepted. That is very helpful. It will not help us at this moment but it will help others.
“I have been around many people who have been discriminated against in their lives, but to undergo this myself is a very painful experience,” she added. “I didn’t realize how intense it was. It is very disappointing. My country is disappointing me.”



Even apart from the same-sex marriage issue federal rules pertaining to marriage with non-citizens are archaic, if not arcane, requiring lengthy separations, travel restrictions and other nonsensical impositions. It’s high time for a thorough review of the bureaucratic process involved.
only on marraige I presume.
To what else would you have it apply?
Indeed, it is quite preposterous. I have a friend who recently went through all the rigmarole with his Canadian wife. You would think he’d been applying for a license to import munitions. Actually, that probably would have been easier to swing.
I haven’t even tried with my Australian wife of 15 years. The immigration laws in this country are absolutely absurd. But the worst part of immigration laws are regarding children not spouses. A U.S. mother can bring her foreign born child into this country without hassle. A U.S. father has to get permission and somehow our wonderful SCOTUS doesn’t see this as discrimination.
not arcane, the fact is even regular married couples have to go through a lot. Special treatment they want I guess.
Just wondering. What the hell is a regular married couple? If there are “regular married couples” doesn’t that imply that there are irregular married couples? How do you get to be an irregular married couple?
Now don’t get all wound up, meaning any other couple, any couple possibly has to go through the same thing. Though I disagree with gay marriage, they should not receive any special treatment. You are right, I did make a major blunder, a lapse considering same sexual couples in the same context, “regular married couple” thanks for correcting me.
Still trying to find what an irregular married couple is. A couple are either married or they are not. And believe me, you’ve made more than one major blunder. Sometime you might want engage your brain before typing.
my thoughts of the bangor daily news pushing this issue left and right upwards and downwards…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7hJowNX5w
don’t push it i’ll give you a war you won’t believe
let it go. LET IT, GO
Wow, dude. I sincerely doubt that the forward arc of human history gives a damn about your “war [it] won’t believe”. Climb down off your high horse, but do it carefully and make sure the ladder is firmly anchored. We don’t want any accidents, and it is plainly a long way down from up there.
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Seems you don’t have that power after all.
The ineffectual always have delusions of grandeur…
Isaac Rambo is a movie. People die in real life. Video games aren’t real. People die in real life.
You need to remove yourself from your alternative universe and live in the real world where people are flesh and blood..
If gay marriage brings a war, it is only due to shallow minded people like you.
Your desire to harm others means one thing: you’re vile.
Get remarried in Maine…. End of story.
No, that’s not how it works. The federal government doesn’t recognize gay marriages regardless because of DOMA.
So what is the benifit of the new law that just passed about SSM???
What is the benefit of commenting “End of story” and acting like you know the issue, when you clearly don’t? There are local benefits, rights and responsibilities, state ones and federal ones as well. DOMA blocks the federal ones.
Doesnt sound like there is much benefit at all… You seem to have quite a chip on your shoulder…Try losing it, people will respect you more, end of story.
You’re the one that started out with the chip on your shoulder. Immigration is obviously a federal issue and DOMA bars gay marriage from being recognized at the federal level. If you didn’t know that, why present yourself as knowing more than you did?
I never have a chip on my shoulder, I state what I think, if people dont like it so be it.. There seems to be quite a few who post here that if they disagree with what one posts they get upset.. You are one of them… I personally could careless what ones opinion is on something..
Well this is a matter that has to do with facts, so what you think is kind of irrelevant, no?
That is your opinion… it doesnt count..
Well that’s kind of like saying the world is flat. I guess you can have that opinion, but it doesn’t make it factual.
Wolfndeer, do you ever let someone else get the last word? No, I didn’t think so.
Mr. Kettle, it’s Mr. Pot on line one? Something about you being black.
You could care less? That means of course that you do care to some extent.
nope.. none what so ever
Obviously you do. You even say so yourself that you “could care less”.
Let us get one thing straight, I support SSM…You seem to have not much to do…..That just took the wind from under your sail….Next…
LOL
Try being informed, as opposed to willfully ignorant, and people will probably laugh at your posts a little bit less !
Man, you hurt my feelings big guy…LOL
They are protected by Maine law, but not federal, its the Feds that control immigration.
Primarily because it represents a win against DOMA and will aid in it’s repeal. June will clear a lot of this up.
There are many benefits of this new law. For one thing it permits the spouse to have a say in medical care and so many other things that the STATE permits married couples to do. It also is one more nail in the coffin for that absurd bigoted federal law nicknamed DOMA.
Good!
Ah, there’s that warm and welcoming Maine spirit I keep hearing so much about.
Is a DOMA trap similar to a Conibear trap?
Chinese finger trap.
Be careful.
Why can’t she live in Lincoln? What about DOMA forbids her and her partner from living there? More BDN gay hysteria and beat the drum for additional gay rights. If she and her partner have never worked in the US, would they qualify for Social Security anyway? I certainly hope not. Is she still a US citizen? Intrepid BDN reporting omitted that detail. If so, she would qualify for Medicare, I guess, but her non-citizen partner wouldn’t qualify would she even if they were married in the eyes of the Federal government? How long is the line for immigrants from the Netherlands anyway? I bet not very. Her partner could live here in the US indefinitely. They can get free medical care (including euthanasia and abortion services) in the Netherlands, so I don’t know why they would want to leave that utopia anyway.
She’s a US citizen, her wife isn’t (she’s Dutch), and DOMA bars her wife from the immigration process for noncitizen spouses. This is explained in the article. Do pay attention, 007.
Hysteria! How hard is it to emigrate from the Netherlands to the US? The BDN reporter didn’t bother to check like by calling an immigration attorney, but I’m saying that it is relatively easy, gay or strait, single or married. Another example of a made up problem to force more gay rights on the population. Do pay attention.
Which would be fine, except that it’s not true. The permanent-immigration process is absurdly complicated and arbitrary even for heterosexual spouses, and even coming from such well-regarded neighbors as Canada. When the process is complicated further because the federal government is declining to recognize one’s main connection to a US citizen as any kind of connection at all, one is left with very few cards to play. It’s not made-up, it’s not some kind of conspiracy, and it’s not forcing anything on anyone. The only hysteria here is on the part of backward, hard-hearted hicks who think treating gays like actual grown-up people is going to impact their own lives negatively in some measurable way.
That is your opinion, but not necessarily true. Can you find the truth in this article? Sadly, no. The BDN reporter didn’t even bother to try (too lazy, I guess) to see how difficult it is to become a permanent resident alien or citizen of the US for a citizen of the Netherlands, just took this nice lady’s word for it. Something about this story just doesn’t ring true. If it were very important for her and her partner to live here, wouldn’t the story have been replete with details of their trials and tribulations in their immigration quest? it wasn’t, so I’m calling BS on this whole charade. The very gay-friendly BDN would have included every excruciating detail of how they had to wait in line in the cold, etc. Unless, of course they plan to make this into a 5 part series like they regularly do with any dissatisfaction with our governor. Wouldn’t they lose their free national healthcare, access to legal marijuana, and euthanasia too if they were to move here? Horrors! Speaking of the Netherlands, Google “Dutch abortion ship” sometime to get some insight into this idyllic land of wooden shoes.
It’s interesting that you think the complexity and difficulty of the immigration and naturalization system we have in this country somehow represents my “opinion”, but in this case I mean “interesting” as a synonym for “daft”.
An agenda to misrepresent the Dutch and same sex couples, as well as immigration complexity and reform is hardly a neutral perspective; and attempting to report on these issues may be somewhat “gay friendly”, as opposed to outright being deceptive about them and “gay hostile”.
You really don’t have any idea what you’re talking about do you? Perhaps you should read more or get out more or hmm..maybe simply get an education.
Insult poorly disguised as argument. Nothing really to respond to here. Have you anything intelligent to say?
I didn’t even attempt to disguise it as an argument. Simply telling the truth as I see it from your posts. When you start having something intelligent to say I might respond to your posts in the same manner.:)
Did you read the article? The non us citizen is force to leave the country and can not stay her. Their marriage is not recoginzied by the feds. The feds control immigration. Anyone can not just come here and stay forever. The non us citizen must leave the country and stay out for a certain period of time. If they were a straight couple this would not have been an issue. Talk about special rights.
And illegal aliens can spend their whole life here and get all the benefits without ever being deported. Thank you government.
I’ll type slowly so you can keep up.
They have been together 30 plus years.
A citizen of the Netherlands: gay, strait, married, or single could have immigrated to the US in that time if it were important to her.
She has not immigrated.
Its not that important to her.
The BDN is whipping up this issue, trying to garner sympathy for this couple, who have, as far as this incomplete article would tell; done nothing to have her legally immigrate under existing laws.
They prefer to whine about something they don’t have rather than take effective action.
Another article in the gay agenda.
Yes because doing so is so easy, if it was then we wouldn’t have an illegal immigration policy, people would just choose to immigrate here! If they were not a gay couple there would be no issue, that is a special right.
“force more gay rights on the population”?! ROFL! What does this even mean? Since when does the US Constitution FORCE RIGHTS on anyone? “Darn, my life was just fine until that fascist constitution forced the bill of rights on me!” Oh, and the new rights in Maine were voted in by the “population”. If you’ve got such a problem with democracy and the US Constitution, maybe you’d find Saudi Arabia or Uganda more to your liking.
Wrong spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about. I have a couple of bi-national friends who are separated by DOMA. One lives in Colorado and their spouse is forced to stay in England the other lives in Minnesota and their spouse is forced to stay in France all due to DOMA. They get to visit here and there, but neither one of the non US citizens is allowed to stay for more than a certain length of time when they come to this country- they are forced to leave. DOMA does not recognize their marriage and therefore does not allow the American spouse to sponsor the non American spouse- like any other married American can do when they marry a non US citizen. DOMA needs to go for a number of reasons and it will after SCOTUS hears the case and decides next year.
And please ….because someone you don’t even know wants to immigrate to the United States so they can live with their loved one affects you how exactly?? and this somehow forces YOU to have to deal with more gay rights SERIOUSLY????……poor baby….trust me when I say – this isn’t about you and all your rights…. the sun really does not revolve around you- contrary to your own thoughts. Try again.
give an inch take a foot!
Whack job
Seems that you don’t have a very high opinion of yourself.
Slow news day?
Note that the reference to Senator Collins is not correct. The Senator is a cosponsor of is S.821, the Uniting American Families Act. That bill would give binational same-sex couples equal rights to petition for immigrant visas. It in no way repeals DOMA; it just makes an immigration-based exception to it. The bill that would repeal DOMA is Sen. Feinstein’s S. 598, the Respect for Marriage Act. Senator Collins is not a cosponsor of that bill. The reporter needs to get it right.
Technically speaking a senator was not intended to be a representative of the people but of the state. A Congressional Representative, or Congressmen if you will, is the representative or the people. That’s why Senators were originally appointed by the state legislatures, however the 17th amendment changed it to a popular vote, so now they’ve morphed into the roll of a representative, not the roll they were originally intended to fill. As far as I’m concerned, we should abolish the 17th amendment.
Actually in this instance no one cares about your concern.
Well said, another ignoramus who knows nothing about or cares about our constitution. I knew they’d show up, can’t hide
Well with the 17th Amendment the Senators ARE popularly elected so it doesn’t matter. And since there is no movement to repeal the 17th Amendment the question is moot.
Maybe so though it wasn’t the founding fathers intentions
There are many things that were not covered in the U.S. Constitution and The Bill of Rights. If the Founding Fathers did no intend for Amendments, they would not have provided a method to do just that.
I think there are a number of Constitutional Scholars who agree that the amendment mechanism was directed toward the framework of the Constitution, not to inject political ideology. Unfortunately some do just that.
So banning slavery, giving woman the vote, limiting a President to two terms and giving 18 year olds the vote were good things or “injecting political ideology”?
I said SOME not ALL. Reading comprehension is such a wonderful thing. Look at the 18th Amendment and try to tell me that wasn’t purely political. 18 year olds voting, ya, mature enough to make a rational decision on who to vote for, and even go to war and kill, but not to have a beer. Tell me that wasn’t political. Then again reality is still a haze to some.
In all of our exchanges I have not once insulted you. My reading comprehension is just fine thank you very much.
The Founding Fathers provided a means to amend the Constitution for future generations. That’s a fact.
You may not like the amendments over the years and if you don’t, we’ll the means to reverse those amendments is available too.
The Amendment process is not easy and shouldn’t be.
Now, if you wish to continue this discussion check the insult at the door or move onto another poster.
Crapola…..
Yes it is… and when DOMA dies, the crapola will end.
To me, this is one of the most egregious things to come out of DOMA. This would not happen in “traditional” marriages. Nothing gives me hope for the death of DOMA than this (and maybe benefits to our military personnel).
I also believe this is one of the primary reasons that DOMA will fall.
Just like Murder, Homosexual acts are sin!
Only to you and those like you. Good to see you on the losing end.
You don’t stop murderers from marrying anyway, Billy Boy, so what point are you trying to make?
I am sorry you can not understand the point I made! This is the problem you have, Your eyes are closed and your heart is hardened! Read the Bible and open your eyes.
No Billy Boy… I do not want to be like you.
You are a very sad and harmful person. Hardened? Son, your heart is granite.
I read it, great story, I really like the part where God slaughters millions of people including women and children.
Where will I find “homosexual acts” listed in the criminal code Bill?
This is a civil law matter and ONLY a civil law matter. If you don’t agree with SSM fine, you don’t have too. You only have to accept the fact that it exists.
Just like the bogeyman, sin is a made-up nonsense to scare children with!
Ben you need to get out of Grammy’s house. You need to get off the arse and do something besides being a statistic. Think long and hard about what stat I am talking about. Trust fund baby.
… riiiiight.
Yes, the acts have no impact on you whatsoever, and straight people, by far, partake in them WAAAAAY more than gay people, yet you’re obsessed with gay people…
Yup, it’s JUST LIKE murder. ROFL !
Well God is Kill over 10 million people, for the simple act of not believing in him. That would be considered murder.
repeal the law, that takes care of the problem.
DOMA has been struct down by several federal court circuits. The Supreme Court is hearing the case early next year, it’s likely to be struck down as it interferes with states’ rights.
That may be true but it won’t necessarily take care of the problem in this case since it is one of immigration.
Maybe, but a lot of things the Federal Government interferes with states rights. Though the court tends to lean towards the liberal side so you are probably correct.
Wrong, the court leads conservative. It’s 5-4 conservative lean.
We need to start calling the paper “The Bangor Daily Gay News.
If you don’t like it why do you continue to read it?
We care who gets married, but we don’t care who has access to an assault rifle?
Ever try to purchase a firearm?