WASHINGTON — The tea party movement has been nearly invisible in the intensive lobbying campaign over the “fiscal cliff,” even as Congress and the White House debate the issues of government spending and national debt that are at the core of the movement’s identity.

In many ways, the tea party was made for this moment. The grass-roots opposition to President Barack Obama’s agenda that arose in 2009 has been so focused on fiscal concerns that leaders once prevented speakers at tea party rallies from even discussing abortion and other social issues.

And in fact, it is the tea party that helped bring the country to this moment. The automatic spending cuts at the heart of the year-end fiscal cliff grew out of the tea party’s fierce campaign last year to slash federal budgets and cap government borrowing.

Yet as groups across the political spectrum seek to influence any deal to avert the cuts and tax increases set to kick in Jan. 1, the tea party has been unusually — and deliberately — quiet. Members still call and e-mail Congress but have held no rallies and done little lobbying.

When tea party leader Jenny Beth Martin recently journeyed to the Capitol from her Atlanta area home, for example, she did not bring with her the busloads of tea party members who once descended on Washington to rally for fiscal restraint.

As she toured the offices of several Republican House members, Martin barely brought up the fiscal cliff negotiations that could chart the nation’s budgetary future, according to Martin and congressional aides.

Her focus instead? Fighting over spending at the state level.

“We’re sitting back” on the fiscal cliff, said Martin, co-founder of Tea Party Patriots, the nation’s largest tea party group. Republicans in Congress, she said, “have proven they’re not going to listen to us,” adding that House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, is a “caveman” for his willingness to consider tax increases.

Tea party activists say they feel despised by Democrats and ignored by Republicans, and they still resent the blame they received for last year’s debt ceiling crisis, in which tea-party backed lawmakers demanded deep spending cuts in return for increasing the federal borrowing limit and helped push the nation to the brink of default.

“We’re thinking, ‘instead of wasting our time with these people, maybe we should go home and actually enjoy our families for the holidays,” said Marianne Gasiecki, an Ohio tea party activist. “We’re saying, ‘You can’t blame us for this one.’ But they’ll blame us anyway. Someone has to be the scapegoat.”

Unless members of Congress “are blind, deaf and dumb,” Gasiecki added, “there’s no way they could not have heard what’s been screamed at them for the past four years.”

Indeed, the ideas advocated by the tea party — which helped propel concerns about federal spending and borrowing to the forefront of the national debate and fuel 2010’s Republican sweep of the House — still resonate in the GOP. An example, said conservative strategist Keith Appell, was the failure last week of Boehner’s “Plan B” legislation to avoid the fiscal cliff, which was doomed when conservative Republicans in the House declined to endorse a tax increase even on millionaires.

“The tea party vision for fiscal sanity is still very powerful in Washington,” said Appell, senior vice president at CRC Public Relations in Alexandria, Va.

Michael Steel, a Boehner spokesman, said the speaker, “like virtually every House Republican, was elected with Tea Party support in 2010 and 2012 — and he deeply appreciates that support.”

A GOP congressional aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity, said the tea party’s “presence is certainly still felt and certainly considered.”

The aide added: “As an actual entity, they’re not up here at the Capitol like they were.”

Some tea party allies view its lack of D.C. presence as a sign of weakness for a movement that has been searching for a new path, especially since Obama’s reelection.

“The (fiscal cliff) is obviously a massive debate about what our country’s fiscal future is going to look like, and you’re looking around going, ‘Where is the tea party?”’ said Ned Ryun, president of American Majority, a political training institute allied with the movement. “Part of this is simply that some of the movement has disappeared.”

That is a far cry from the tea party’s halcyon days, when members flocked to D.C. rallies against Obama’s health-care overhaul and what they considered excessive spending. During last year’s dispute over the debt ceiling, tea party members called for a government shutdown during a rally at the Capitol. The debate ultimately produced a deal to raise the borrowing limit but also set up automatic cuts, which are part of the fiscal cliff.

But soon after the Nov. 6 election, more than 100 Tea Party Patriots leaders and state coordinators gathered at a Hyatt hotel in Washington and chose a different strategy for the fiscal cliff. “We decided to treat Congress like grown-ups and say, ‘Fix it,”’ said Gasiecki. “It’s like parents who have raised their kids well and step back and say, ‘Prove to us that you’ve been listening.”’

As a result, during her recent visit to the Capitol, Martin talked mostly about state issues during meetings with Republican congressmen including Tom Price, Ga., Steve Scalise, La., and Phil Gingrey, Ga. She said her group is “paying attention to the fiscal cliff but mostly just watching,” and is instead working on fighting Obamacare in the states and on various state and local fiscal issues.

Joe Dugan, a South Carolina tea party activist, is focusing on a tea party convention that will be held in his state in January. He will send Congress a documentary of the event but has no plans to lobby over the fiscal cliff.

“Why in the world would I want to get involved in the games they are playing?” he said. “I have other things to spend my energy on besides lost causes.”

Amy Kremer, who heads Tea Party Express, another national group, said the movement is “in kind of a re-grouping mode to see where we go from here” and that “no one has any money now to go to D.C., a few days from Christmas.”

She added: “We’re still here, we’re not backing down.” She called on Congress to “cut spending” and “create a pro-growth environment.”

FreedomWorks, a D.C. conservative group aligned with the tea party, says it is closely following the fiscal cliff debate and has a full-time staffer meeting with Republican members of Congress to urge steps such as extending current tax rates and reforming entitlement programs.

Dean Clancy, the group’s legislative counsel, declined to name the members but said FreedomWorks is in touch with the staffs of Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va. It is also writing frequent blog posts about the negotiations.

Yet when FreedomWorks brought up the fiscal cliff during a “Fly-In” for more than 100 activists at its Washington headquarters this month, Clancy said, “there weren’t a whole lot 0f folks in the room who felt they could do anything about it.”

The activists, he added, have no plans to come back to Washington as the negotiations proceed.

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  1. They look like three rich white sorority sisters. I’d love to hear them lament about paying their dues! lol.

    1. Talk about “paying dues” the BDN has used this picture at least three times that I know of. Must be hard to get a picture of Bachman that is a bit more current.

        1. Hope so. I don’t believe this is the demise of the TP. They’re just quieter (thank goodness). Maybe sneakier?

        2. I’m not sure I would call it a “movement.” Not much “moved.” It was closer to a meeting of the “Procrastination Society.”

          1. I was expecting more of the 1960’s – 70’s student uprising movement. Instead, it just kind of snored out.

      1. Since this is about TP activists, maybe that’s the only current pic available of Princess Michelle with TP “notables”. She’s been pretty quiet since she dropped out of the nomination circuit and only narrowly won her district, probably due to both dissent from the voters as well as redistricting.

  2. The problem is the spend, spend, spend mentality. As long as it is someone else’s money(the taxpayers’ in the case) then it becomes easy to spend, instead of being budget minded. The Tea Party movement brought this to light, but even the so-called fiscal conservatives seem to be wimps when it comes to standing up for what is right.

    1. The Tea Party might have gained some reputation and longevity had they stayed focused on fiscal issues and providing a reasonable means to pay down the debt. It is unreasonable to put the country on a bread-&-water diet just to pay down the debt. A better approach is a longer-term paydown that did not adversely affect business and people.

      Instead of focusing on a sound, reasonable approach to fiscal responsibility, they (well, the Tea Party Express wing) jumped on this ultra-conservative, ultra-religious social agenda that has nothing to do with fiscal issues. Also out of all this came some pretty strange people such as Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, O’Donnell, etc. And, then there was the anti-Obama birther crowd. America looked at them as having jumped the rails.

      In the end, the credibility of the Tea Party disappeared. They might have stood a chance but with little real leadership and a ever-changing platform, the handwriting was on the wall. The Tea Party will be known in history as a flash in the pan.

      1. They were very quickly co-opted by Dick Armey, Karl Rove, and the right wingnut cable and talk radio pukes.

    2. you are full of baloney … the right has been on this “fiscal kick” since the 80’s … the support for it just keeps falling away… they needed a new “patsy ” for it and created one . It had no staying power once the consequences of their actions started being handed out and the scurried back into the dark saying ” not me”oh yeah and PS and they got their head handed to them in 2012…

    3. Why its it that the TP’ers NEVER squawk about where we spend a ton of money on a discretionary basis? I’m talking about the military industrial complex. Not a peep out of these yahoos about that.

      1. they were a bunch of low interest voters who were mad they were impacted by the crash in 2008 Their anger was legit.. the problem was they didn’t understand what was causing their pain — 4 years later they have become better educated and LESS co-opted .I bet many of them voted D in 2012…

  3. Keep in mind that – even if the Washington Post is right – the Tea Party Movement isn’t the people at its top but at its bottom. Any members of Congress who used it to gain office and think they can now ignore it are in for a rude awakening.

    1. Be assured that the Tea Party still fails to see how packing 10 layers of band-aids on an infected wound implies healing will occur. The campaign season is over along with the public rallys.. BUT the TP has massive grass roots support.. and the elite leadership of the GOP is well aware of the consequences ignoring its force of votes, contributions, and perseverance. The trend now is “Back to the future” with a renewed vigor to harvest the virtues of past principles, economic sensibilities, and dedication to liberty and freedom of choice. The religious right will need to find a new basement living quarters to crash as their day in the sun has expired.

      1. Some would call th e movement described as reactionary. And a good share of the TP is also members of the “Religious Right.”

        1. no, you are wrong… anyone who is both tea party and religious right is both by coincidence… the tea party is not religious.
          the tea party only deals with economics, not legislation of morality… it is AGAINST legislation of morality, it is against most legislation, so how could it possibly be for morality?

          1. It would be interesting to see how many members of the TP claim allegiance to both the TP and the RR? In looking at the TP crowds, I’m not seeing much of a cross-section of society. It appears to be mostly angry old white men and little else. At least, that what the crowds reveal.

          2. Great post! I doubt that the people who post here, poking fun at and dismissing the Tea Party as this or that, couldn’t articulate the beliefs held by its members or the issues which led to its formation. Such intellectual laziness shouldn’t be suprising when you consider the inane comments which appear here. It’s really pathetic because they simply don’t get it- the Tea Party isn’t Democrat or Republican, black or white, old or young. ChuckGG- if you’d watch something besides MSNBC or read something besides this rag, you’d understand this. It isn’t even about the Tea Party members themselves- it’s about not spending the future of our kids and grandkids into oblivion. Incidentally, the Tea Party isn’t going anywhere. If you want to sell your freedom and individual liberty to the government wholesale, that’s your right. I choose to do everything in my power to stand up for my right to live in peace, without the government taking that which doesn’t belong to it- or you.

          3. Yes, John, you are correct. I would emphasize though that angry old black people have a reason to be pissed off: white old men don’t, unless having to share their power is annoying them. Have you forgotten that blacks were owned as property and worked for nothing? They were working for white men. Have you forgotten this fact? I still hear them being called the ‘N’ word. Are you serious?

          4. Thanks for the clarification. With some of these posters though….well, you know…what universe do they live in…

          5. The real one, with diverse populations and problems. Bangor and vicinity doesn’t quite qualify. I grew up in The County and now live in Ohio. Come to Columbus sometime for an education.

          6. Blacks today have more opportunities and less expected of them than any other group in America. It’s easy for you to sit in Maine and be a smug white guilt liberal, isn’t it? Come to a major metro area and see the truth.

          7. John, you presumptuous dink, I’ve worked in the south as a manager until I was 47: I am 67 now. Ya, racism is alive and well. Your attitude proves me correct. You have lots of mouth but not much knowledge, don’t you?

          8. I see racism every day…with whites being on the receiving end. You’ve apparently been out of the game and back in liberal la-la land 20 years too long, old boy.

      2. “The religious right will need to find a new basement living quarters to crash as their day in the sun has expired.”

        Well, one could hope. But, shortly after the 2012 election, the GOP (now just the TP, really) announced that Romney just “wasn’t conservative enough.”

        To the contrary, if the GOP/TP has any chance of survival, they need to get off this kick of self-righteous indignation and look instead at facts. Obama’s team did and they won. All these ridiculous social issues the GOP/TP railed against cost them the election. They alienated every group, every demographic, other than angry old white men. And, in the end, there were not enough angry old white men to carry the day.

        Newt Gingrich, ever turning to which way the wind is blowing, came out this week saying the GOP needs to support same-sex marriage. Probably way too little, way too late. Gays are not going to flock to the GOP as it offers them and society nothing and has demonstrated time and again no love for anything that is not straight and a WASP. Newt was correct, though, and that is being pragmatic instead of ideological.

        If the GOP is to survive, it needs to dump the TP and its ultra-right wing social agenda and ultra-religious factions.

        They need to drop the “feelings” and start looking at “facts.” The facts are the demographics have changed. They can wish and hope they haven’t but that is not reality. Either the GOP upgrades its message or it might was well turn off the lights and lock the doors.

        1. Your part right.. and part wrong. The GOP doesn’t need a “big tent” policy.. it needs to purge its inept leadership… which is occurring with rapid progression as the momentum of the Libertarian message resounds throughout the land attracting fiscal conservatives, social democrats, and independents with thoughful mindsets. Real Repubicans don’t desire the government intruding in their bedrooms and doctor offices nor controlling their wives and daughters birthing apparatus anymore than they want liberals frisking their wallets and purses. Once the RR freaks are forced to leave, millions of enterprising women, jobless working poor, students as well as retirees will realign their voting patterns with their instincts and best interests.

          1. How you “un-bake” that cake is the question. There is a commonality between the RR and the Libertarians in that aspect of smaller, limited government. How you get rid of the RR is anyone’s guess. They have been driving me crazy since the 1980’s when Jerry Falwell waddled onto the scene and threw a wrench into the works.

            As a gay Republican, I finally switched to Independent this year as the RR and the social issues just overwhelmed anything to do with fiscal conservatism. The GOP lineup for the debates was just a clown show filled with bible thumpers.

            To borrow from Reagan, “I didn’t leave the GOP. It left me.”

          2. What you do is purge Karl Rove from the scene.. He’s poison to Republicans and the only on-site conduit friend to the RR even though he’s an atheist. Go figure.

          3. I think Karl is about securing voting pools. The RR is a large pool of votes that will consistently vote GOP, regardless of the impact. Money in the bank, I suppose.

          4. You understand the RR journey with the R party is identicle to what the libertarian journey is and will be, right??The RR just took the journey first . You could learn from their experience. The RR was just “used’ for votes’ which is why they finally abandoned them in 2008. And the GOP passed NONE of “their” agenda, despite all of their “noise” . That is just being repeated with the libertarians. RR thought they were the tail wagging the dog.The liberatians ( teas) think they are the tail wagging the dog too.They aren’t. They just needed each groups’ VOTES and ‘coddled” them and played TO them in campaign ads to try to win.

            They are ALREADY owned , by someone else. They just needed your voters for a good ‘showing” You aren’t wagging the dog and never will. A handfull of peoplel OWN congress and they do THEIR bidding; not yours!

          5. Libertarians are seen as basically nuts. Why do you suppose they have been engaging in a subtefuge and hiding behind (and in) things like the TEA party , the R party etc instead of forming their own party??? Because they know they don’t have a prayer in you know where, IF they ran as Libertarians. If they were up front and honest they would RUN as libertarians and not “hide” in other organizations.They don’t have the courage to form their own party and call it what it is LIBERTARIAN.

            As for Maine , the “libertarian/teas engaged in a coupe . The coupe “worked “ONLY” because no one else showed up and a handfull of them did Rational main stream R’s weren’t paying attention and let it happen . It gave the ( teas) a false sense of POWER and security, and for lack of a better word ” mainstreamness”.

            A Lepage “win” sent the message home in their own minds and gave then a greater sense of power and “entitlement”. Lepage’s win was a fluke..It occurred because D;’s split their vote , plain and simple. It was a D ‘loss’ rather then an R “win “. Lepage ( and R’s) didn’t “win” because a majority of Mainers suddenly embraced weird ideas. Lepage won because D’s didn’t stay unified –it happens..It was a painful lesson for them . BUT D’s learn from their mistakes. And by the way, they regrouped , reunified and WON back the legislature in 2012.

        2. I heard some right winger say that the reason Romney did not get elected is that not enough Republicans got out to vote because they did not want a Mormon president!
          The denials continue….

          1. It is the difference between ideology and facts. They “hope” and “had faith” but none of that is based upon any actual facts. The Obama campaign did a phenomenal job in analyzing the data, targeting the campaign, and getting the vote out. The GOP crowd were in the Model-T days. Watching the Fox New coverage on YouTube was like watching a train wreck. They actually truly believed they were going to win and it was a slam-dunk in their minds. Just bizarre.

            They should have looked at Nate Silver’s numbers. He got 50/50 states right in his predictions – gee whiz, based upon facts and statistical analysis of the demographics.

            The GOP alienated every demographic except angry old white men. Either the GOP changes its message or they will be gone merely through attrition.

          2. They believed and got sucked in by their own lies and delusions . Momism—- my mother always said the problem with lying is you have to tell ten more to cover up the first one and then 10 more to cover up those ten ( 100 lies ) and if you don’t manage to trip yourself up , before you know it even you don’t know the truth anymore .and you are lying ALL the time.

            They made the mistake of believing their own lies ( especially their trumped up polls) .Self deception. Of course it didn’t hurt that the deceivers like ROVE ,Gingrich, were making money hand over fist by deceiving everyone….. especially their own funders. ROVE tied himself up in knots with his lies and deceptions. Finally

          3. I don’t think there will be a two party system anymore (there has not been in quite sometime really)….I think those days might be past us. Lets face it, Obama is just as corporate Greed as the next guy (with 4 or 5 wall St. Bankers in his top shelf).
            Americans really believe that a Nobel Prize Laureate, could not possibly be responsible for the deaths of almost two hundred babies, not to mention a homosexual martyred / named Christopher Stevens, and countless Mexican civilians.
            So who really cares anymore? Give rise to the bigots of old, disguised as the working mans party.

          4. you apparently didn’t pay attention to the contribution in the last presidential race. Obama got virtually NO corporate money .The banks that we bailed out, gave to Mitt 7 to1 They are now shaking in their boots for backing the wrong horse !!!They lost any clout they think they MIGHT have had in 2008 .

            Name ONE thing the R party has EVER done for the working man?? Just one. They are NOT fighting for you.

          5. The “why we lost” posturing continues ….The GOP lost because they do not represent “the people’s” best interest .It is as simple as that.

            And despite the court’s wacky decision making and citizen’s united and despite the GOP attempts to suppress the vote It is ONLY the people who can vote and they showed up in droves despite all attempt to keep them away!!! The people have spoken; and God is good.

          6. Because the people wanted socialism, or its variants. Why is this so hard for some of you to come to grips with?

            You folks are like the town folk and the bakers son who was being beat to death while screaming; “I didn’t promise the free bread”!

          7. It could be? Who knows…there are many prejudiced people out there. Maine is a very Godless State (meaning not very God friendly), so maybe this is why Maine voted against Romney?

          8. There was an article recently about how Maine is the “least religious” state and I believe that implies the least who attend an organized religious event such as Sunday services. I do not find that at all surprising.

            What I find interesting is those who are religious often believe those of us who are not religious are in some way “anti-religion.” Well, speaking for myself, I would say that as long as a particular flavor of religion does not try to impose itself on our secular laws, designed for ALL of us, not just those of a particular faith, I really do not care what religion does. It is up to them. I am no more anti-religion than I am anti-croquet. It just does not interest me nor do I find any need for it, any more than I need to know the scores of the latest International Rules Croquet match.

            As far as Romney goes, those of us who are “godless” (non-religion types) I would say could not care less about Romney’s religion. I suspect the real die-hard fundamentalist Christians might have voted against him, though.

            Romney lost because he really did not have a message that resonated with the public and he did not offer up much that was perceived as an improvement over the President. Combine that with lots of gaffes, the 47% (and similar) comments, his alienation of every demographics except old white men, and the guy just plain lost. As hard as this might be to accept for some, the population voted for Obama and not for Romney. Plain and simple.

        3. One of the tidbits the media ignored is that ALL of the nonwhite voting groups voted more for the progressive cause than even the whites did.Carville might’ve been right-just a few years too late.

      3. “BUT the TP has massive grass roots support.”. yeah right…which is why they lost AT least 5 states ( including Maine ) in 2012 that they gained in 2010. They had NO staying power,

        1. Charlie Webster and O. Snowe resigned because of Tea Party power. Collins is next for the same reason. The Maine GOP is in the process of a makeover which will position it as a major force to be reckoned with. The next election will not be about who loves jesus more.

          1. Call me skeptical. I hear you, but I’m not seeing that they can get past the social issues and also the radical fiscal policies of the Tea Party. A more sensible pay-down schedule with adjustments to spending and revenue would make more sense and not cripple business and people by putting everyone on a bread-&-water diet just to pay down the national debt.

            But, as the GOP/TP crowd is far from rocket scientist or even economists, I doubt they will be able to set-aside their bible long enough to get their house in order. How you purge the GOP of the TP, I just do not know.

          2. You can’t purge the TP .. it’s embedded in our free market culture. As I toured the Maine coast this summer seeking artifacts, I had the pleasure of visiting many, many artist and craft shops, antique stores, upscale eating facilities, and near ocean enterprises. To a man and women.. each and every seemed supporters of the Tea Party but some were more aligned with Ron Paul and others were Libertarians. My take was that those self-employed workers who the enjoy the ups and downs of rational capitalism where value and success are determined by existing market forces were overwhelming committed to a different future than currently scoped out by the 2 political parties. A stealthy renaissance is underway and is very healthy. GOP take heed.

          3. Their so called “embrace ” of the free market” is a fallacy , a myth and the greatest fantasy of all. Odd they all stopped mentioning AYN Rand huh??

            There is NO free market. This emperoer has NO clothes, There is a highly subsidized market. We see it in PREFERENTIAl taxation and tax subsidies and bailouts.. The biggest SOCIALIASTS? Are the so called “free marketers” . And it is THEIR FAULTY embrace of trickle down voodoo economics that CAUSED the defict , the debt.AND more importantly the CRASH!!

            They can huff and puff all they want… THEY broke the free market by embracing casino and vulture capitalism. They have just spent the last 4 years trying to blame everything and everyone else; BUT themselves. AND failed at it. The American people aren’t stupid. 4 years later after 24/7/365/4 of trying to pin the blame evetywhere else .The majority STILL blame BUSH and R policies.Put that in your pipe and smoke it .

          4. You have taken all the food ingredients from all your cabinets and the fridge and mixed them up .. baked it .. and threw it out here. Very little connection with political or economic realities. Yes, much of this is true.. but .. and a big BOLD BUT, none of the forementioned is associated with the teaparty. Reader beware of the source and the target of his lawn darts.

          5. any real tea partier would LOVE to have all corporate welfare abolished. we DO want free market. We do not want GE and IBM to benefit from anything that every other company does not benefit from.
            Please do not get your info about the Tea Party from MSNBC

          6. People need to start reading some of the articles from counterpunch.org . Now I don’t agree with some of their articles but they have had a lot on the hypocrisy of the democrats and corporations, and how they have even been duped by the ACA.

          7. well I actually I get it here from people’s “posts” .I am more likely to be a “supporter ” of the free market then any Tea.

          8. The teas chased snowe out of office with their rudeness (RINO) and as a result they lost a vaiuable seat. She didnlt need or want the crap.. if you call that a “win” for the teas, you are NUTS.

            Webster self imploded. Who put him in?? The teas–the handful of them that showed up. Again NO “win” for the teas. The tea party is OVER ..It won’t go down without a fuss –true enough. You are posturing just like a teenager saying :”just you wait ‘after he has just been humiliated. and defeated..

          9. Unless your misinformed or it’s your intention to misinform others here.. the Tea Party was no friend of Charlie Webster. The T-Party took him out.

          10. You need to look at some history. The teaparty elected him to BE the R party chair…. He, like Snowe, quit and left voluntarily . The teas didn’t oust him. And wait till you see what Cebra does to the party . You aren’t going to like it much .

          11. how valuable is a republican seat that votes liberal politics at every turn?
            Mrs. McKernan, the person who allowed Jock to make millions at the helm of the University of Phoenix, while allowing this “university to bilk the US taxpayers for billions in student loans that will NEVER be paid back” IS a RINO

          12. Olympia Snowe just did not stand for republican beliefs. The tea party forcing her out is just another smoke screen to cover the corporate greed of the democrats. She would have better served the state by being a democrat.

            Look at the comments on this blog by people who won the election?
            This is America, tell people how to think or they are idiots?
            I let no man tell me how to think. Its your country, you won, don’t blame the Tea Party because your still wondering where the bus is? Enjoy it.

          13. Snowe DID stand for republican beliefs; she just didn’t support whacko Tea beliefs. She actively quit because of what the TEAS were doing TO the party.
            And to John below , you and the teas disagreed with SOME of her votes, so threw the baby out with the bath water. YUP she was willing to compromise .YUP she supported Obama on several key issues –YUP so did Collins .They were being reasonable and rational R’s .

            And, by the way, they both also won their right to represent Maine with both D and I votes. There are NOT enough R registered voters to elect an R in Maine without D and I votes. In the last 4 years, the R party in Maine LOST registered voters and D’s gained registered voters..

            As for Mr. McKernan yup when you privatize education BUT STILL rely upon taxpayers $$ for tuition( and rip it off) you are more of a socialist then you are a free marketer ..Think about it . What McKernan( and others) was able to do was at the heart and soul of what the teas and libertarians “believe in”. Seriously think it thru. He was ripping off taxpayers in the name of the free market and private sector. Charter Schools are nothing but the same scheme.Hold on to your wallet..you are about to get ripped off there too.

          14. The Tea Party was very powerful when it came to getting Olympia Snowe to drop out of this years US Senate Race. They called her a RINO and vowed to defeat her in the Republican Primary. The tea party was victorious. Snowe didn’t run. And now the tea party can celebrate their victory by calling Angus King Senator. Good job tea party. Talk about chopping off your nose to spite your face.

          15. Please don’t tell me you are foolish enough to think that Angus King is going to side with Republicans 62.9 percent of the time on votes in the Senate.

          16. as a real tea partier, and a John Galt-kinda guy, I dot really think that he “republicans” are very conservative when it comes to spending.

          17. vowing to defeat her and actually being ABLE to do so are two different things The seat was her’s if she had decided to stay. She was actively insulted by the rudeness of the teas at the convention and decided not to put up with the abuse She basically said “the heck with you, go ahead lose the seat ” And you did.. You all shot yourself in the foot .If you consider that a victory, you are daft .

          18. in the general election she would have won in a cake walk. However the tea party was out to defeat her in the primary which they probably would have done. And please don’t count me in with the nutcases that are in charge of the Maine Republican Party. I am a long time Republican, but the party I joined in 1967 sure as hell wasn’t anything like today’s party.

          19. No, don’t think so. Snowe would have won reelection handily. She was replaced overwhelmingly by an Independent – not someone more conservative. Snowe resigned because she is of a certain age and complained about nothing getting done. With that, I certainly can understand.

            If Snowe resigned because of the TP, then it is only because Congress was turned into a clown-car by the TP and she no longer wanted to ride in that 3-ring circus.

            And, who can blame her?

          20. Snowe would have lost. Her votes on TARP, bank bailouts, her single vote that allowed Obamacare out of committee, the patriot act, and several outher major democrat bills caused Maine’s GOP voters to get letters and phone calls from their friends and relatives in other states turned the tide against her. Goldman Sachs lost another puppet and good riddence.

          21. That’s not the way the polls were running. Had it been only the ultra-right Maine GOP voting, that may have been the case, but Snowe was considered a moderate and liked by all factions, except perhaps the angry old white men of the GOP.

          22. so why did Angus win?? Uh she did lose and so did you and the R party .They lost the seat and several others .

          23. The Republicans did NOT loose a seat. Snowe was not a Republican because she never voted with republicans on the major issues.. she sided with the democrats. This moderation crap was just a convenient cover for her disloyalities.

          24. 63% of the time is a disgrace. 2/3 of these were just simple non-consequential resolutions. She voted for a $1Trillion war based on lies.. she voted for $800 Billion bailouts to banksters, she voted for $billions in non-effective ethanol subsidies and budget busting farm bills along with every silly welfare initiative, She voted the nominations of the worst of high office candidates, she voted as her campaign financier Goldman Sachs instructed 100% of the time. Gothgirls gig was up.. and she left us as did Berney Madoff with the damage.

  4. The Tea Party has disappeared into a small band of ideological idiots that are stupidly holding the entire country hostage for their narrow ideology within the sewer of Boehner’s caucus.

    1. The most thankless job in the nation? Speaker of the House. Who would want to be in that position these days? It’s a far cry from Tip O’Neil and Sam Rayburn.

    2. You make it sound like they were anything more than that.Anyone associated in any way with Dick Armey and Bachmann is stupid at best and corrupt at worst.At least DeMint’s gone.Now maybe we can ignore his successor and get something done.

  5. Bachman is an utter embarrassment to the American ideal and an utter indication of mental instability in her district.

    1. A distinct plurality in her district did vote against her, maybe next time they’ll be a majority. There is significant sanity among perverse chaos.

  6. Like most whiners, the bellicose buffoons in the Tea Party are all mouth and no brain. The reason that they are AWOL on the budget crisis is that their infantile positions offer no real solutions. But I’m sure we can count on them to be obstructionist and stupid when a vote comes up in the House.

    1. Oh, I’m sure they held a prayer vigil and Jesus provided them with the true answer. [Sorry, I just self-gagged on that one…]

      1. the tea party has nothing to do with Christianity.
        and if you think it does, you are deluded.
        there are right wing “christians, like Michelle Bachman who have tried to align themselves with the tea party, but she does not represent the tea party, by any means.

        1. I believe I stated in a number of other posts that the original TEA Party was about fiscal issues. However, it quickly became overrun by the Tea Party Express – the ultra-right wing, ultra-religious crowd. If you were to do a poll today, right or wrong, the majority of Americans would think of the Tea Party as a bunch of bible-thumpers who “want to take back their country.”

          It is, of yet, unclear as to just exactly back to where they want to take the country. The 1950’s? The stone age? Back to whites-only rule? Who knows, and frankly, who cares?

          You also could say that my Republican party is not about evangelical fundamentalist Christianity, either, but no doubt that crowd is pulling all the strings. The only task remaining is to change the sign over the door from “GOP” to “TP” and be sure to put a cross next to it.

          I agree with you – the TP had nothing do with Christianity. Nor, did the GOP. Too bad that all has changed.

          1. ChuckGG: well and concisely put. The handful of TP’rs with who I’ve spoken are all fundamentalist christians. They have confused governing a civil society with imposing their religious views on those of us who are unsaved. If they had stayed out of the fundamentalist christian camp and dealt with civil matters in a civil manner, they might have been heard.

  7. I know where we can cut back. Reduce the money that the federal govt. sends back to the states. The states that receive the most money from the federal govt. voted overwhelmingly for McCain in 2008, are red states and rural. An exception to the rule, Maine makes the top ten list in get-back money. I’ll bet I wait a really long time for any of those states to tell the federal govt. to please stop sending us money.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps

    1. The “red States” you discuss are also farm States. Part of that “give back” money is ethanol subsidies agricultural price stabilizing programs and the agricultural piece of the food stamp dollar sent back to States which provide all that government butter, cheese, and flour.

      Mother Jones once did a bit of background on these stories, but now (Like the Huffington Post) they put their agenda before a truthful story… BUT you can do some research on farm subsidies and learn how they also help people in blue States.

      1. Hold on a minute. Are you arguing FOR subsidies? Or just the subsidies you like? The story I quoted was truthful and factual. You just want to make excuses. Gimme some of that govt. cheese. Hah. Don’t even get me started on the engine destroying properties of ethanol.

      2. “Red States” are some of our worst states in our country excessive debt, low employment, low graduation, high crime rates, high drug use, high domestic violence, low expense on education, high prison population, and constant restrictions on contraception. Do not believe me? federal census, bro :) — Farm Subsidies? Hmmm, I thought we were talking about why the south “red states” borrowed money from tax payers, don’t they know they are evil for doing that.

        1. Show me any state restrictions on contraception. Oh, wait…you mean abortion.
          High crime rates and drug use? I didn’t know NY and CA were Red states.
          Low employment? Check out the Dakotas and Nebraska.
          One thing you leftists need to learn is how to tell the truth.

          1. I said some of, meaning, but not limited to: a proportion, a ratio, sets of numbers, but not all or most, 100% or 75% is not what I said, but what you heard. Maybe labeling me a lefty is blinding your understanding of basic math. Labels that you speak of, are below me. Merry Christmas!

      3. you mean “rural “states? The latest reason the right says they “lost” was the urban vs rural thing. It ends up there are more PEOPLE, as in VOTERS, in the urban area.( geniuses) And the rural area need and LOVES hand outs ( subsidies for ethanol, farms , food stamps etc) OOOPS ..Oot of touch and selling a bad bill of goods or what

        1. Yeah, I heard one right winger say, there are more red states. Yes, but they just don’t get it…..and the denial continues….

    2. pictures speak a thousand words..it ends up redneck states are the takers : elitist states are the contributors.Mmaybe it is the BLUE state approach to Budgeting we need to examine and throw out the redneck approach…

  8. The Teas are a one trick pony. About all they’ve got in their bag is that government is bad because the services it provides cost taxpayers money and all our problems would just go away if those taxes and government would also simply vanish. It’s just now beginning to sink into their heads that not everyone in the modern society of America or for that matter the world wants to revert back to living like, in their own words, “Republican cavemen.”

      1. Yes, there’s such a love fest going on over there on the right. Guess only hating on those who have “evolved” isn’t enough for this group. Wait a second, I thought these guys didn’t believe in evolution, dinosaurs, or cavemen. Oh never mind, I’ve let my ability to reason come into conflict with the thoughts of the unreasoned again. My mistake.

        1. VERY few tea partiers do not believe in evolution. the mainstream media is just reporting the very worst in order to make the movement look bad.
          and for what it’s worth, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman do not represent the Tea Party.. .they, as republicans usurped the name once the movement got going.
          Ron Paul surely believes in evolution, HE is a tea partier.
          Read about Ron Paul

          1. Ron Paul (and baby paul) is a long time LIBERTARIAN who simply “adopted” the teas for votes.
            The biggest LIBERTARIANS and pushers of it’s thinking are the Koch boys . Wonder why they oppose regulation and BIG BAD government that PROTECT consumers and the public? It doesn’t take rocket science to figure it out.

            Regulation prevents them from polluting the publics’ air, water, land, and bodies with the toxins their products produce ( and reduces their profits). It has NOTHING to do with protecting “the people’s” freedom or liberty and everything to do with protecting their personal profits. Politics( campaign contributions , creating and funding various and sundry non profit “think tanks” like the Heritage Center(s), The Tax foundation, Freedom works, ,American Crossroads etc that “lobby” on their personal behalf ) is just the means of achieving their personal goals.( and recruiting ‘people”)…. . which is .bigger profits .

    1. they don’t/ didn’t get the purpose of government….is to serve the people….like all those entitlements.( SS, Medicare) that the people PAID for and expect to get in return FOR the taxes they paid for( into) them..If they touch SS and medicare ,just you watch what will happen…..

      1. the purpose of government isn’t tax cuts( revenue reduction) for those funding congress.Maybe the tea’s got educated in the last 2 years and realize they are on the wrong side and got sold a bill of goods and were bebng USED ??

      2. And your stand on the entitlements that people don’t pay into? Medicaid and welfare? We can get rid of all of the ones that people don’t pay into?

        1. Yes, Eric, those poor ‘losers’ should just go somewhere and die. Isn’t it the liberals’ fault that we have poor people? What is your solution to there being poor people on this planet?

          1. My solution doesn’t involve the institutionalization of poverty that welfare programs create. I know it makes alot of people feel like they are doing something good but all welfare does is hold people in poverty. Temporary help when people are in a bind is one thing but generational welfare we see now shouldn’t happen. You do a disservice to society by teaching people they are required to do nothing and are entitled to be taken care of. I know you libs don’t think much of the poor but I believe many of them could stand on their own if they had to.
            “If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for life.”

  9. Nonsense delivered by “screaming’ is still nonsense.

    They may be quieter now, but guess who’s behind the impasse. The safe-seat Rs with extensive TP backing are only worried about losing their next primary. They could care less about the 2014 national elections. or care less about the fate of the country and the economy, they only care about their distorted ideology.

    1. And they differ from the Democrats how? I used to think people would get tired of both parties and start thinking on there own again but you don’t give me hope by assigning your scorn to only one party.

      1. Democrats are not a united front and they know this fact. They are the party of everyone else, not one specific religious, anti-gay, anti-woman anti humanist party. Democrats are trying to be inclusive. Republicans are anti inclusive: If you are not a middle class Jesus follower then they do not want you.

        1. Republicans talk Jesus but the reality is the Republicans are about the most un-Christian bunch of hypocrites on the American landscape. Love their brothers? HAH! Help the poor and sick? HAH! Love their neighbors as themselves? HAH? Republicans do not feel love. They feel hate and greed.

  10. By being obstructionists, and refusing to compromise on ANYTHING, the Tea Party has done more to ADD to the deficit than to lower it.

    The sooner they are relegated to the trash heap the better off our country will be.

    1. The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 The conference report, in order to become binding, the budget, must be approved by both the House and Senate.

      Looks like the real obstructionist in this picture is harry reid

  11. The teaparty is a figment of PR people’s( and freedom works) imagination. They had to say SOMEONE endorsed their thinking and was “making ‘ them do it.Heck they couldn’t’ come right and say the KOCH boys( BIG MONEY) are making us do it .They had to come up with some imaginary scape goat .

  12. The tea party does not care about people just people with money and ways to keep it for themselves.
    They’ve attempted to cull the poor one too many times.

    1. Tea party activists say they feel despised by Democrats and ignored by Republicans, and they still resent the blame they received for last year’s debt ceiling crisis
      ^^^
      And this surprises them? People heard them scream and did not like the message, even some in the GOP.

  13. The Tea Party was not a grass roots movement. It was dreamed up by people working the Koch Brothers and publicized and promoted on Fox. The result of this movement is the chaos we have experienced for the past 2 years.

    The elected Tea Party in congress have no where to go. The only thing they can do is to throw a wrench in the gears of government. The next few weeks will be interesting. My bet is the Republican party splits. The sane moderates will work with the Democrats to begin governing again, I hope.

    1. Would you care to elaborate? Believing in the Constitution, advocating for limited government and pressing for fiscal responsibility is immoral?

      Please…”enlighten” me.

      1. They don’t “Believe in the constitution” they abuse it .Limited government is NOT in the best interest of “the people “; but is in the best interest of corportaions .Regulation protects the people. it is the people usually demanding it . We didn’t like our rivers running brown with foam with pollutants. .If they believed in fiscal responsibility , why do they keep giving away revenue , support preferential taxation , and keep supporting policies that build deficits and debts?

        1. How do they abuse the constitution?

          I think Limited but strong government is in the best interest of the country, government dependency destroys the dignity of people.

  14. As a Teaparty Democrat, I’m just saying it’s not a party it is something like a soul, a good soul.. People still believe and will appear when needed.

  15. The automatic spending cuts at the heart of the year-end fiscal cliff
    grew out of the tea party’s fierce campaign last year to slash federal
    budgets and cap government borrowing. And this is a negative for what reason?

    1. Actually the automatic spending cuts are the result of the debt ceiling debate.

      “And this is a negative for what reason?” 50% of the cuts are to the military

  16. I think many Americans feel the same way…..America made this bed, now they are going to have to press the sheets themselves.

    Lets face it…Obama and the Dems are doing the same things as the repubs…..even counterpunch.org (good reads once in awhile)has been revealing this hypocrisy for months now;

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/10/19/turning-health-care-into-corporate-profits/

    Also VETS need to keep the above article in mind as well, because Obamacare will affect Veteran healthcare, contrary to all the hype about how bad the repubs plan was…ACA is going to do the same thing.
    This is just one aspect of how many Americans who realize the masses have been “duped by their own selfs” are just sitting this one out and waiting to see how they press their sheets so to speak (alligators fighting over Ritz).

  17. The tea party has “disappeared” because the mainstream media refuses to report on it.
    And please people, do a little research and find out what the Tea Party stands for, do not get your information from MSNBC.
    Lower taxes, less governmental oversight (e.g., it is YOUR tree, in your yard, do you really want to have to wait months and months for the permitting process to tell you that you are allowed to trim it or cut it down?)
    The fiscal cliff is a reality. There will be a horrible fall from it, and the longer we wait, the worse the fall will be. We cannot keep printing trillions dollars with nothing backing up the currency and having the credit rating of the country drop.

    1. What else are they going to do? Its human nature.
      I am interested in how the public and news services are handling what they see as their new freedom. With this goes the guilt.

      There is a tremendous amount of guilt out there.
      The guilty always transfer their guilt…its about finding their scapegoat.

    2. The fiscal cliff is a crisis created BY the R’s( and Teas) because they refused to raise the debt ceiling, like they had 6 million times before. It is “routine” to raise the debt ceiling. The teas decided to MAKE it into a crisis.Now it is time for them to pay the piper. Some of them already did and were kicked out in November .

  18. If the Country can hold together another two years, and we can clean out more republicans, and if we have the brains to stay out of other lands business and not go to war, we may somehow regain our Country, if they do something stupid, like to go war again, our children are much for sure doomed to that story so told of ancient Rome.

  19. Perhaps the Koch brothers cut off the money to it. It did not turn out to be a very good investment, cut off the money and let it die. This was never anything more than their private party created by them and promoted by Faux News. It never was any sort of grass roots movement, when the money ended the alleged followers deserted the sinking ship.

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