The House voted 257 to 167 to send the measure to the White House; the vote came less than 24 hours after the Senate overwhelmingly approved the legislation.
House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio and most other top GOP leaders took no public position on the measure and offered no public comment before the vote at 10:45 EST. He declined even to deliver his usual closing argument, leaving House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, R-Mich., to defend the measure as the “largest tax cut in American history.”
The bill would indeed shield millions of middle-class taxpayers from tax increases set to take effect this month. But it also would let rates rise on wages and investment profits for households pulling in more than $450,000 a year, marking the first time in more than two decades that a broad tax bill has been approved with GOP support.
The measure also would keep benefits flowing to 2 million unemployed workers on the verge of losing their federal checks. And it would delay for two months automatic cuts to the Pentagon and other agencies that had been set to take effect Wednesday.
Many economists had warned that the scheduled tax increases and spending cuts would have plunged the economy back into recession.
Conservatives complained bitterly that the bill would raise taxes without making any significant cuts in government spending. For much of the day, the measure appeared headed for defeat as Boehner contemplated tacking on billions in spending cuts, a move that would have derailed a compromise that the White House and Senate leaders had carefully crafted.
In the end, GOP lawmakers decided not to take a gamble that could force the nation to face historic tax increases for virtually every American — and leave House Republicans to take the blame.
“I don’t know if playing chicken with the American people at this point is in the best interest of the people,” said freshman Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa.
The bill drew 85 votes from Republicans and 172 from Democrats, meaning well more than half of its support came from the Democratic minority.
With 151 Republicans voting “no,” the GOP tally fell far short of a majority of the GOP caucus. That broke a longstanding preference by Boehner to advance only bills that could draw the support of a majority of his Republican members.
In a sign of the moment’s gravity, Boehner himself cast a rare vote: He supported the bill. So did Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the GOP’s vice presidential candidate this year, who parted ways from Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a potential 2016 presidential contender, who voted against the measure.
But other top GOP leaders voted no, including Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia and Whip Kevin McCarthy of California.
Boehner was humiliated just two weeks ago when the Republican rank-and-file refused to support a GOP alternative that would have permitted taxes to rise only on income over $1 million a year. But when he scheduled a vote on the Senate bill, even some of the chamber’s staunchest conservatives agreed that giving up the fight was probably the best course.
“I think the best outcome is to have a clean bill, actually put it on the floor and see what the consensus of the House is,” said Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, a freshman who has opposed every major bipartisan compromise on the budget over the past two years and said he would vote against the measure.
If approved by the House, the bill would proceed to the White House for Obama’s signature. It calls for the top tax rate to rise immediately from 35 percent to 39.6 percent on income over $450,000 for married couples and $400,000 for single people — the first broad tax increase in two decades and the first since 1990 to pass Congress with Republican support.
The measure would protect more than 100 million families earning less than $250,000 a year from significant income tax increases set to take effect this month — although their payroll taxes will rise with the expiration of a temporary tax cut adopted two years ago.
In addition to avoiding much of the fiscal cliff, the measure would extend federal dairy policies through September, averting a threatened doubling of milk prices. The measure also would cancel a scheduled pay raise for members of Congress.
After weeks of partisan bickering over whether taxes should increase for anyone, the compromise bill rolled through the Senate early Tuesday in a highly unusual New Year’s Day vote. The vote was 89 to 8, with both parties offering overwhelming support.
The moment served as a rare bipartisan coda to what has been one of the most rancorous, partisan Congresses in recent history. The 11 senators who are retiring received hugs and kisses from their colleagues. The current Congress ends at noon Thursday, when the new Congress will be seated, and lawmakers would have been forced to scrap the fiscal cliff legislation and start over.
Three Democrats voted against the measure: Tom Harkin of Iowa, Thomas Carper of Delaware and Michael Bennet of Colorado.
Bennet complained that the bill would do little to reduce record budget deficits. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the measure would cause the national debt to be $4 trillion higher by 2022 than if all of the cliff’s tax increases and spending cuts had been allowed to take effect.
Five Senate Republicans also rejected the measure, including tea party favorites Rand Paul of Kentucky, Mike Lee of Utah and Rubio.
But 40 others voted for it, including such GOP leaders on tax-and-spending policy as Sen. Patrick Toomey of Pennsylvania and Ronald Johnson of Wisconsin, a tea party star who frequently consults with House conservatives.
Neither party was entirely happy with the bill. While conservatives complained about new taxes and a lack of spending reductions, liberals complained about its provisions regarding inherited estates.
Although the tax rate would rise from 35 percent to 40 percent, estates worth as much as $5 million — $10 million for married couples — would go untaxed. And an inflation adjustment would guarantee that the size of the exemption would grow to $15 million for couples by the end of the decade.
Still, House Democrats largely embraced the measure, which was negotiated by Vice President Joe Biden and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and endorsed by Obama. After receiving a point-by-point 90-minute briefing from Biden on Tuesday, Democrats rallied around the package.
“It’s long overdue for us to have this solution to go forward and remove all doubt as to what comes next for our country,” said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
Hours later, Pelosi indicated via Twitter that a “strong majority” of Democrats supported the legislation and that she was “confident” it would pass if Boehner held a vote.
But it was a different story among House Republicans, who at first appeared to strongly oppose it. In the early afternoon, the GOP gathered for the first of two lengthy closed-door briefings in the basement of the Capitol.
There, Boehner told members that he wanted to hear their views but would not take a position. Cantor, meanwhile, “forcefully” aired concerns that the measure would raise taxes but not cut spending, said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. Afterward, Cantor emerged and told reporters: “I do not support the bill.”
That view was widespread in the room, where House members vented their frustrations at the Senate for foisting the arrangement upon them. Many rose to say they should take advantage of the legislative process, tack on billions in new spending reductions and force the Senate to respond.
“We should not take a package put together by a bunch of sleep-deprived octogenarians on New Year’s Eve,” retiring Rep. Steven LaTourette, R-Ohio, said in a dig at Senate leaders. LaTourette, who has championed ambitious deficit-reduction efforts, faced the prospect of casting his last vote in Congress for a measure that would sharply deepen deficits.
Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., said a consensus was developing that the GOP should amend the Senate’s plan. “I would be shocked if the bill did not go back to the Senate,” he said.
The negative reaction threatened to plunge Washington back into the high-stakes, last-minute drama that has characterized both the fiscal cliff negotiations and a series of other recent confrontations between the two parties over spending and taxes, including the fight over raising the federal borrowing limit in the summer of 2011.
Senate Democrats and administration officials warned that the Senate would reject any move to amend the measure. The House would be responsible for a dive over the cliff hours before U.S. financial markets were set to open Wednesday after the New Year’s holiday.
For hours, there was no decision on how to proceed. As leaders huddled, rank-and-file members returned to their offices and were greeted with confusing messages from conservatives and constituents.
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., who has opposed any deal to raise taxes, voiced support for Cantor. But conservative writer William Kristol — who is close to Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee — wrote a blog post titled “Say Yes to the Mess.”
“Politically, Republicans are escaping with a better outcome than they might have expected, and President Obama has gotten relatively little at his moment of greatest strength,” Kristol said, advising House Republicans to take the deal.
Shortly before dinner, Republicans gathered behind closed doors again to settle on a new plan: Leaders would survey members about the spending-cut package to determine if it could pass. If not, they would allow the Senate bill to move ahead.
Around 8 p.m. EST, they announced a decision. The Senate bill would receive a vote, with the expectation that Democrats and Republicans would join forces to approve the measure.
During floor debate, Camp said GOP members should support the bill because it would make “permanent tax policies Republicans originally crafted” under President George W. Bush.
Rep. Sander Levin of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, countered that Democrats should back the bill because it would let the Bush tax cuts expire for the wealthy, breaking the “iron barrier” to tax increases since 1993.
Paul Kane and Ed O’Keefe contributed to this report.



The Government has a spending problem, not a revenue problem. It is that simple.
It is obvious we have both. However nobody wants to address the spending issue. The military currently accounts for 56% of the discretionary spending budget. If we had a budget that was fair, the military should take 56% of the spending cuts with the remaining 44% spread out around the rest of the budget. I believe we should treat all income the same (no more sweet heart deal for investment income, why should money you don’t actually work for be taxed at a lower rate than money people actually earn?) and go back to the same tax rates we had the last time we had a balanced budget. Now in terms of non-discretionary spending (medicare and social security) perhaps we should remove the tax cap (currently the poor and middle class spend a higher tax rate to support these programs than the wealthy) and means test for Social Security. That would go a long way to solving all of our countries problems, we don’t have a spending problem or a revenue problem. We have a fiscal problem in this country created by a government that refuses to make the tough decisions (including raising taxes and cutting popular items).
Social security was never meant to be a welfare program, people pay in to a retirement fund and then get it back when they retire. You cannot have means testing for social security. I agree on the medicare though, that should definitely be means tested.
Unfortunately they have allowed SS to morph into a welfare program for people deemed unemployable. There are a bunch of kids being pushed trough the school system that have been diagnosed with all sorts of disorders that qualify them for SS disability. They have never worked and contributed nor do they plan on working to contribute. They work under the table or turn to crime to suplement their income but they have no intention of contributing.
I have discovered that I was wrong about the funding of SSI. Apparently that comes out of the General Fund. Please disregard the parts of my post above that are wrong.
The American Dream died last night by the betrayal of Republicans of mass proportions. Stanley Johnson get to live for another day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HX4a5P8eE
“The American Dream died last night by the betrayal of Republicans of mass proportions.”
Truthfully, the American dream died when we failed to support the slave revolt in Haiti that was inspired by the American Revolution.
no, “the people” got their country back last night Power was wrestled away for the teas, Grover and the KOCH boys . For one brief moment, Congress decided to serve the people instead of their false idols .
“Unfortunately they have allowed SS to morph into a welfare program for people deemed unemployable.”
Social Security Disability Insurance, which is what you are referring to, is actually a different program than Supplemental Security Income, commonly referred to as Social Security. Part of your FICA deduction funds this program, but that money is in addition to the funds going to your SSI account.
I think that is SSI. not SSD .
Are you absolutely sure that you will never become disabled? Are you positive that you will never have a disabled child or grandchild? Then go ahead and slash the social safety net–but only as far as it affects you and those you love.
On the other hand, if you simply hope to make sure people don’t fake their way to SSI benefits, advocate for additional tests (they exist) to catch them, and additional clinicians to do the testing and double-checking.
I stand corrected. I was under the impression that SSI was funded with SS funds. I was wrong and appologize for my error.
Not a problem. I know more about this than I want to, having an adult daughter born with a genetic disorder who receives SSI (and SSDI); my husband and I are both in our mid-60s–triple whammy!
So basically despite all YOUR huffing and puffing and “demands” .for spending cuts even YOU don’t want it touched.. See the deilema?? I could support an elimination( or at least an increase) to the income cap on SS. taxes. It never adjusted to inflation over 30+ years. If it wasn’t intended as a means tested program why was there ever an income cap on it?
I was surprised to learn about the tax cap for Social Security a while back, I would definitely say that has to go…. I also agree with @patom1:disqus that SSI has become a welfare program of sorts that needs to somehow be reigned in. In a way though I think it also go back to the outsourcing of lower-functioning jobs. There are some people that will never be able to have a high-functioning job, but can definitely work. But, if a job within their capabilities is not available or an employer isn’t willing to give them a chance, what else are they going to do? I have seen it go both ways….
“Why should money you don’t actually work for be taxed at a lower rate than money people actually earn?”
The economic answer to the question is that you don’t want tax policy to stand in the way of putting risk capital to work. The more you tax investment income the less incentive there is for investors to place bets on new technology, start ups, etc. etc. when you know that if you’re wrong you lose it all and if you’re right the government takes a large bite.
I will concede that some investments are riskier than others and if you wish to tie the tax on investment income to the level or risk associated with the investment generating the income, then we can add a couple of thousand more pages to the tax code. :-)
“The economic answer to the question is that you don’t want tax policy to stand in the way of putting risk capital to work.”
Ahh, another Mammonite who thinks that money is more important than human labor. The simple truth is that “risk capital” cannot work without labor. Labor should be viewed as superior to capital in all cases – if there is going to be a tax disparity it should favor the worker not the wealthy. The reason for this: labor continues with an absence of capital (if there is no employer people work for themselves); with an absence of labor capital sits idle (if there are no workers, capital produces nothing).
” labor continues with an absence of capital (if there is no employer people work for themselves)”
No need for unemployment insurance then is there? I don’t think there is a whole lot of evidence for your argument ….
“I don’t think there is a whole lot of evidence for your argument ….”
Try running a business without workers then.
BUT who should carry the “risk ‘? I say it should be the capitalist/investor, not the tax payers. Isn’t that how the free market (and capitalism) is supposed to work? The free market itself is the natural restraint . If you make a bad( or good) decision/ investment you alone take the risk And you alone suffer the consequences of bad decision making And the investor /creator needs to seriously consider the risk BEFORE making a decision..IF there is no risk of personal consequences, then there is no personal risk of bad decision making.
In 2008 the taxpayer became an unwilling involuntary accidental “partner ” in bad decision making . WE , without our permission and consent, took the risk in bad decision we had no part of. How do we PREVENT taxpayers from bearing the risk we didn’t volunteer to be a part of?
In a freemarket ,isn’t it the capitalist alone who should bear and take the risk?? IF we really believe in a free market, why should the taxpayer subsidize the risk thru preferential ( aka lower) taxation? Isn’t THAT not capitalism but socialism?
The free market IS a natural “regulator “.It ,by it’s very nature , puts a restraint on bad decision making . In a free market if you make a bad decision ; you alone BEAR the consequences. Because of the potential harmful consequences you are reluctant to make bad decisions .You want a SURE thing .That in itself makes for more thorough and thoughtful decision making and planning.. When someone else bears the risk , thorough and thoughtful decision making is less necessary and goes out the window. That is what happened in 2008 . Riskier and riskier decisions were made without consideration of the consequences BECAUSE THERE WERE NONE.There were NO personal consequences.
WHY should tax payers subsidize the potential risk for bad decision making thru preferential taxation? And why should they take a risk they didn’t sign up for AND don’t benefit from?
Keep 2008 in mind if and when you answer . The risk and consequences were fully socialized to tax payers . Wall Street recovered, we haven’t.personally or as a nation.
How do we prevent that from EVER happening again . 4 years later( and probably into infinity and beyond) taxpayers are STILL paying the high price of capitalism and risk taking gone wild. TAXPAYERS paid the heaviest price of a risk they didn’t take. Why should we do that?
very dissappointing that there is no reply form the lovers of the free market .
“risk capital” shouldn’t the capitalist ,not the tax payer, be the one taking the risk? Isn’t’ that how the free market is supposed to work? Carrying the risk , makes for sounder decision making When it is taxpayers who take the risk, what is the risk/rnatural restraint on the capitalist “part”. ? There is none . Isn’t that what got us into all that trouble in 2008?? It wasn’t the capitalist who were bearing the risks.. No skin off their nose , no skin in the game..
I don’t disagree. Which is why I would argue that government should not be subsidizing ethanol production and wind energy. It distorts the market decision process and extends protection for investors where none should exist.
“”risk capital” shouldn’t the capitalist ,not the tax payer, be the one taking the risk?”
Uhm, yes. I’m not sure why this reply is directed at me, though. I’m not the one in this discussion who thinks sucking up to Wall Street is in the nation’s best interest.
It appears we value unproductive wealth more then we value hard work.
Means testing, bad idea…
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/01/lynn-parramore-6-reasons-joseph-stiglitz-and-other-top-economists-think-means-testing-medicare-social-security-is-a-destructive-idea.html
Yes, there is a spending problem. Too much spending on a bloated military riddled with no-bid contracts. Too much spending on oil subsidies and a host of other corporate welfare. Too much spending on job-killing tax loopholes for the rich. Still too much spending on job-killing tax giveaways to the rich, much of which they shelter in places like the Cayman Islands. Too much spending on the Republican Medicare-D bill that would not allow price negotiation because the GOP is beholden to the big drug companies. But there is indeed also a revenue problem, and if we continue to address the REAL spending problems stated here, that would solve the revenue problem as well.
You forgot to mention entitlement reform. But then, you don’t really believe that there is a spending problem on that end do you.
I for one do not. If the jobs the wealthy create paid a living wage then we wouldn’t have such an enormous need for social services. If the investors didn’t send our manufacturing to China just to make a few extra bucks then we wouldn’t need to borrow money back from China to fund the national debt, a debt the GOP wants poor and middle class Americans to pay.
“If the investors didn’t send out manufacturing to China”?? What’s your proposal to end this scenario? The liberals in control of Washington do not have a workable one. So what would you do? Cut the military further and put this country at the risk of those intent on harming us? In the meantime the nation is spending itself into oblivion where Peter will not have enough resources left to pay Paul. If you think a 16 trillion dollar national debt where the government now borrows 46 cents for every dollar it spends is bad, wait and see what happens in a few years from now. The system will likely collapse unless drastic austerity measures are taken (no doubt they will have to be taken). A look into the near future of this country can readily by seen by the collapse and the social chaos that is going on in many European countries. Regrettably our current President has a blindsided ideology that wants to spend and tax more and more.
Either you didn’t read what I wrote or you didn’t understand it.
Put a tariff on all items made outside of the US. That solves the issue of cheaper goods from slave labor.
I don’t care if China reciprocates with a tariff of their own because they do not buy US made goods.
Let’s not forget the promises that unions & politicians have made to public sector employees that are so over the top states will never be able to afford them.
there is, but if you want to cut spending, start at the top, not in the middle.
I say, cut spending everywhere, not just at the “top”. Why just at the “top”, if that is what you are implying?
I agree, it just makes more sense to start at the largest line items, not the ones in the middle. start at the top and work your way down.
The largest line items are entitlements that affect a lot more people. But I’m afraid if our elected officials start at the “top”, as you suggest, they will END there as well and forget all the other areas of spending that need cutting. The plain reality is that this seems to be what many of our elected officials want to do.
Supporting “entitlement reform” means that you are OK with politicians looting your contributions the Social Security trust fund to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and wars of choice.
About half of the American adult public is not paying any federal income taxes. Most to the tax burden right now is skewed towards the wealthier citizens, and it will be more so after the President signs the bill to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. In the meantime, many investors, including potential ones, will have less incentive to invest in the nation’s economy. Right now as we speak Wall Street investors are looking outside the U.S. to invest. This is not what this country needs.
“Right now as we speak Wall Street investors are looking outside the U.S. to invest.”
Let ’em. Maybe the investment firms will offshore themselves to another country. We don’t need the Wall Street corporate welfare parade.
No investment, no growth. Don’t let your apparent hatred of wealthy people blind your reasoning. They’re the driving force behind the economy. Without them there is no job creation and increase in wealth. That said, I stand behind efforts to stop corruption at every level of income or wealth.
They are not the driving force for more jobs. We, the consumer, are the driving force for jobs and growth. No demand, no need to create more jobs, or even keep the one’s we have.
“Don’t let your apparent hatred of wealthy people blind your reasoning.”
Wall Street ain’t people, my friend.
How about all the working people who invest in their retirements. The smart ones are investing abroad. That’s not a good thing. Incidentally, Wall Street investors are people too. Why are you being so demeaning? Really? If you don’t like the rules under which investments take place, then you should attack those rules. And if you don’t like corruption on Wall Street then demand that that corruption be addressed. But don’t throw out the baby with the bath water. If we do that collectively, we will all be hurt by such a misguided effort.
They are not paying federal income taxes because they are extremely POOR. Many are disabled and/or elderly. Many among them do pay excise tax and property taxes.
I agree with you in that there is already too much poverty and tax evasion. According to a source I read about two years ago, it was estimated that nearly 40 cents of every dollar earned goes unreported. Our current federal tax system, which is based on self-reporting of earnings, needs to be shed in favor of a personal consumption tax similar to state sales tax, which is far more transparent. That type of tax – designed properly as to not tax essential items – would be fairer, much more difficult to avoid, and far simpler and cost effective. It’s time we stop the class warfare that is an unavoidable consequence of the current income-based tax system and move on to a system that will benefit everyone except maybe some attorneys, CPA’s, and a few others with vested interests in promoting the current system.
“That type of tax – designed properly as to not tax essential items – would be fairer, much more difficult to avoid, and far simpler and cost effective.:
This is something i could get behind depending on how “essential” is defined and the tax is progressive, so that purchases of luxury items are taxed at a higher rate than purchases of standard goods – for example, the rate on a Ferrari purchase should be more than the rate on a Chevrolet purchase.
Yes, you get the idea. You know what else I like about this type of taxation system? It puts people in charge of how much tax they want to pay rather than having it completely imposed on them – like the current system does – for doing something beneficial like working hard or making good investments. In other words, if you engage in personal spending you pay taxes. If you decide to save (nothing wrong in saving), you don’t pay any tax.
This system would certainly discourage wasteful spending, something we all do at times.
good point. There is a huge underground and cash only society .such as plowing,cutting wood , handy man etc..
They are not paying taxes primarily because of the INCREASE( doubling) of the child credit . It was intended to help middle class families and it has. Go ahead I DARE you to BLAME families
My point is that the people who don’t pay much if any tax (apart from the ultra-wealthy) should not be called “takers” or accused of somehow not contributing to America (Romney’s despised 47%). Many don’t pay federal income taxes because they’re poor. And you’re right–many don’t pay due to the child credit. That’s fine with me.
the debt ceiling “deal ” that the GOP made a year and half ago. split the cut 50% for defense and 50% on domestic programs . The GOP wont have the courage to cut defense !!!
As to “entitlements “, which is SS and medicare ONLY.. THEY are not the CAUSE of the problem and won’t be the solution to it. They are “entitlements” BECAUSE “the people” EARNED them by contributing SEPARATE taxes TO them thus they are “ENTITLED “to them. So stop using that term a with disgust as if the people are freeloading.
Reagan solved the “entitlement” problem decades ago BY significantly RAISING THE SS tax, by ADDING a NEW designated Medicare tax , and raising the retirement age.IT is solidly solvent as a result . Baby boomer have spent the last 30+ years contributing MORE to it then ANY previous generation.They are not about to allow benefits to be tinkered with with out a HUGE fight!!! Babyboomers are the LARGEST voting block . They will not allow entitlements to be TOUCHED. Remember the rallying cry “Hands off my medicare” ??
PS .This is nothing but a move to try to PRIVATIZE it for WALL street yet again.IT WILL FAIL..
You seem to forget one important thing about entitlement spending: When there is no available money, then what happens? We are now heading in a direction where entitlements will have to be cut drastically if we don’t do anything to diminish them now. Economists are telling us the government has simply promised too much in the past to deliver on its commitments. So far we have hardly seen the hard and cold consequences of these promises. No doubt they are just around the corner with the aging population we have on our hands.
You are wrong SS is solvent for quite some time ( at least 30 years) ,so long as no one borrows from it… The solution is putting a LOCK box on it to protect it which R’s have opposed. Another solution, IF necessary, is the one reagan used, an increase in the SS tax
Medicare is a little bit more vulnerable which is where health care reform comes in and WHY obama did it..He CUT duplication etcin medicare by $800 billion via heath care reform ( affectionately known as “Obamacare” on the right ) He didn’t just do it for HIS health or for the aggravation..He did it to SOLVE an upcoming problem In Medicare. And YOU all STILL object to it . So how do you expect ANY solution ,when the R approach is just say NO!??
You mean retirement that I have been paying into for 33 years and will continue to pay into for another 15 to 17 more years., that entitlement?
There wouldn’t be a problem if they just eliminated the upper limit and had everyone pay on all their earnings.
It always surprises me when silly liberals attack the largest government jobs program. I thought they liked bigger government? I guess it’s the whole “protecting our country” thing they dislike.
Funny, Conservatives want less government but do not mind spending more on our military then the next what 5 nations combined?
Try the next 18 to 20 nations. It used to be the rest of the world but they are catching up.
Lots of money to be made making weapons to kill people with.
That’s because the military actually does something our government was designed to do – protect us. It wasn’t designed to give us free cell phones and contraceptives, as much as you want it to.
I know a retired Pentagon official who estimates that 60% of the Pentagon’s budget could be termed “waste.”
“It wasn’t designed to give us free cell phones and contraceptives, as much as you want it to.”
US Consitution, Article 1 Section 8: “The Congress shall have Power To … provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States”
Since providing cell phones (a program actually enacted by Republicans) and contraceptives promote the general welfare of the US then these are clearly within the powers of Congress. Also, because the first entitlement program was enacted in this country was a pension for sailors who served in the Revolutionary War, the claim that giving federal revenue (aka “stuff”) to citizens was not part of the design is clearly incorrect.
You should read the constitution. The military was never designed to be an offensive force (which is what we currently have) it was there for defense. How is the war in Iraq, Vietnam, Grenada, Afghanistan, and Panama defense? The constitution also allows for the promotion of general welfare, which is where things like Bush’s cell phone give away come in.
“Conservatives want less government but do not mind spending more on our military then the next what 5 nations combined?”
Actually, it’s the next 14 nations combined.
I love how convincingly conservatives talk “only” about spending cuts as the solution to all our problems. Reasonable spending cuts have always been part of the equasion to right this ship that only had her bow sticking out of the water in 2008. They may not all be in areas conservatives want or as deep as they want but with a mix of revenue from those who’ve done nothing but profit off the down economy of the past 12 years, we just might get this boat sailing with everyone aboard again. Who knows we may even catch up with some of those 1-2 percenters who floated off in all the lifeboats back in 2003.
using your logic then, liberals talk “only” about taxing the rich. And according to obama thats everyone making over 250,000. Of course, you probably have never heard that.
“And according to obama thats everyone making over 250,000.”
Anyone who makes $250k/year IS wealthy.
So you don’t think spending cuts are in order? Just let the so called wealthy pay for it all?
Examples listed here of wasteful government spending.
http://www.akdart.com
a homemade black back grounded website i presume ?
As if your opinion matters.
Says the pot to the kettle.
And yet the house couldn’t find enough votes to pass $300 billiion in spending cuts. last night. .
Would love to see you try and pay your bills without income.
Any meaningful solution will include both revenue increases and spending decreases. One or the other alone will never work. A balanced, long term solution is needed.
BS. Tax rates are at the lowest ever in our history. You don’t know what you are talking about.
If you are so enlightened, please explain it to me, and everyone else.
Revenues are at about 15 percent of expenditures, the lowest amount, possibly, ever. THAT is a revenue problem not a spending problem. And sure there is spending that shouldn’t happen…the obscene military and homeland security budget for instance, but before people go all apoplectic about SS and Medicare, the most current attack by the right on what makes our society reasonably fair for all Americans, not just the wealthy, recognizing the need for added revenue to decrease the deficit ought to be the first discussion happening. The bought and paid for Congress, serving the will of the wealthy and corporations, doesnt get it, and neither do many Americans. The corporate media has failed to educate people because doing so is not in the corporate media’s interest.
I have posted several times in this thread explaining my position. You are welcome to read those posts and to express your opinion more fully.
Wow, look at all the bad news and suffering that was averted simply by having the GOP/Tea Party back down and give in a bit on the amount of wealth the top 1-2 % of “income” earners have to repay to the system that made them mega rich. Kinda makes one wonder how so few people (greedy ingrates) got an entire political party to fight so hard for their own very small special interest. I hope this whole scene clearly demonstrates to all Americans, who is the problem in America right now and who their attack dogs are.
I support our investors, they are the job creators, and should be rewarded for giving Me the People jobs and and opportunity to make an honest living! Rah rah rich people!
And where are all those jobs your job creators created since they began receiving their Bush Tax breaks back in 2003? That’s right, unless you’re living in China or some third world country right now, then you’ve gotten nothing back from these people. Wait, I forgot to mention banking in Switzerland and the Cayman’s. Are you in any of those places?
…..and unless you live on some sort of entitlement you get nothing from the Democrats. You make it sound as if the only people that have money and have benefited from the “Bush Tax Cuts” are Republicans. As Obama pushed to have those same cuts renewed previously, shouldn’t the be referred to as the Obama tax cuts now.
To my knowledge I have never received any “entitlement” (however it is “you” define such things) at all. What I have received is a functioning society of the highest order on this planet. That was, is, and will be worth my investment (i.e. the financial cost of my paid taxes). Thank you America, you’re the greatest country on this planet, don’t let anyone tell you differently.
“functioning society of the highest order on this planet” with one of the most dysfunctional goverments there is. Tax and spend and spend, tax somemore and spend until it can’t even track what or where it is spent.
You mean like you, how is your power bill? You know why its not through the roof? Gov’t, because in most places, there is only one power source. They can charge what they want.
odd you changed the subject instead of addressing the issue of— where are the job creator creating the jobs. if any? NOT here in AMERICA to thank AMERICANS in exchange for decades long tax cut. COULD it possibly just be a fallacy , a myth, a line, a lie that “tax cuts for the rich creates jobs?? “.
I as well have noticed you fail to address the fact that these are actually now the Obama Tax Cuts. As far as the job creators, if people have less money to spend because the economy is in the gutter what jobs can be created. Ask John Kerry, I noticed on a bottle of Heinz ketcup that is is a product of Canada. He is such a patriot.
OK just where are the jobs? China, perhaps? Pretty foolish .
Your anger clearly clouds your thinking.
Anger? This morning all Americans should be dancing with joy that a few folks with lots of stashed cash are no longer “totally” in charge of our government. This is the first in a long string of good days ahead. Can’t wait to see the stock market soar later this morning.
Did I miss something? Did….ahhhh….hmmmm..ummmm….did they legalize crack in Maine??? Yes, I must have missed that vote…where can I buy some? I want to have that sky high sunny outlook.
When I have a problem speaking as you seem to be having here, I usually try to take a little nap. That often helps revitalize my mind and improve what may have been a “crabby” or hostile attitude towards others. No one likes a stuttering crab. Well, maybe with a little butter…
Ohhh, your quick…good one!
you choice of name says it all doesn’t it now —- crabs alot
…and what does your name imply?
THIS was HUGE victory for the PEOPLE of America!!!ENOUGH of the GOP ripped away the chains that bound them… by the teaparty , grover ,l the koch boys, WALL STREET etc and decided to work for the AMERICAN PEOPLE, for a change .
If we do not get significant spending cuts the bad news and suffering is just around the corner. I do not mind the tax increases, but without meaningful spending cuts it will not matter.
See my comment above on this spending issue. Of course we need to, have, and will continue to cut back in these hard times. Had our economy gone forward after the Bush tax breaks on the top income earners then the breaks would have been validated. Have we seen enough of a result yet to know that they were a huge mistake? Yep. Where to make cuts? A little everywhere is probably going to be needed. Frankly I’d start with cutting the Defense Dept. in half. We can already wipe out the world many times over and given our citizens need to have weapons of every kind…who the heck would be dumb enough to set foot on American soil? If we lose this country it will be via economics to someone like China to whom we already owe for two unnecessary and costly wars and silly tax breaks for those who were and are in need of nothing.
Don’t forget the borrowed money from China to fund auto company bailouts, useless stimulus spending, cash for clunkers and the everyday expenditures of running our country. Get off the “blame Bush bandwagon” by either outright saying it or the vieled implication with comments like ” two unnecessary and costly wars and silly tax breaks for those who were and are in need of nothing.”
Obama has been in office for four years and has done enough to saddle a good percentage of the blame for this fiscal mess.
Sure Obama has been put in a tough spot since day one. The good news is that rather than continue downward as we were under GWB we’re still floating and now actually moving forward. Could we be doing better right now if “other” things had been done? Of course, but we’ll never really know as many of those other things never happened due to constant GOP/Tea Party filibustering. Their losing big time here gives me some (small as it may be) hope that perhaps some real change has entered into Washington politics. For that I have to say “Thank you Americans for deciding to vote Democratic in the last election.” Keep up the good work!
And yet it is true. the truth hurts. or is in convenient. I can understand why you might not want to keep hearing it .It is so hard to explain and justify .
According to the GOP company line for the last 3 decades “tax cuts for the rich/ job creators results in jobs” The evidence would suggest OTHER wise. IF that were true , our economy would be BOOMING. it isn’t .We in fact are IN a deep and entrenched recession. which is creating FEW new jobs. “Tax cuts for the rich” has simply created wealth –unproductive wealth at that ( NO JOBS) . NO trickle down effect at all.If it doesn’t produce the intended and claimed result , why keep doing it?
“Get off the ‘blame Bush bandwagon'”
Hold on second there. When Bush took office the government was running significant surpluses. When Bush left office the government was running significant deficits. Bush gets blame because he deserves it.
You don’t know what you are talking about. If you took the time and were honest enough to look at the actual numbers you’d know how misinformed you are. Nearly HALF of the current deficit is due to the war spending AND the Bush tax cuts (which just became the Obama tax cuts but up to this point they were all Dubya’s.) the stimulus AND transfer payments that were automatic due to the recession are a relatively small portion of the deficit. Get your facts straight. In this age of google it is pretty easy to look this stuff up.
I agree.
The HOUSE didn’t have the courage( or the votes) to make $300 billion in spending cuts last night About 65 “elected officials ” have been holding this country hostage for 2 years .That log jam just got broken last night !!!
What a deal $1.00 in spending cuts for every $41.00 in tax increases, I can see how that will rein in our deficit….not. It should have been in the neighborhood of $5.00 spending cuts for every dollar of tax increase. How else do you make the debt go away, if they do not make significant spending cuts. Kicking the can down the road, it’s time for Congress to do their job. The House should flatly refuse to raise the debt ceiling until the Democrats take our countries spending problem seriously.
Refusing to raise the debt ceiling is, one, a VERY dumb idea, and, two, very likely what the most ideological and incompetent Congress in a long time will likely propose.
The world continues to resort to US Treasury bills as the safest and most secure investment around. To threaten those investments the world makes in our economy by threatening to default on those debts, to defile the “full faith and credit of the United States,” is maybe one of the most unpatriotic and non-sensical things anyone could suggest as a “sane” approach to debt management. To hold the US economy hostage to such stupidity is ridiculous. But, it is very likely the very thing the incompetents will do for NO other reason than to try to destroy the insurance US workers have BOUGHT for themselves by paying into SS and Medicare throughout their working lives.
That is what this is all about… Destroying the safety net millions of US workers and their families have paid for paycheck after paycheck, year after year… the New Deal and Great Society reforms that have been IMMENSELY popular with Americans and saved millions of elderly, poor and sick from living in abject poverty.
What good is a tax break for me if our job creators get slammed? Too bad Obumble got his way! Jeers to the RINOs who wouldn’t stand their ground! Here come more job cuts! Rah rah consequences!
Where are all the jobs created by the job creators???? They have been given 30 years to create these jobs that tax breaks were supposed to allow. The Royal Scam is that the job creators give a large rats rectum about the average person in the USA.
The fact is they need more incentives and bigger tax breaks! Remember, their competition is non-union foreign labor! Cheap help is hard to find in this country!
“The fact is they need more incentives and bigger tax breaks! ”
Nobody making a half million dollars a year needs more incentives or tax breaks. Nobody.
Why do you hate success? What are you doing to help our corporations and job creators! Rah rah Open for Business!
well for one thing we have been giving them preferential taxation for decades. So where are the results of that?? It’s a royal scam .
“Why do you hate success?”
Yawn.
Why? During a Bloomberg debt analysis panel the other day one of the country’s most successful CEO’s said US corporations are sitting on about $1.5 trillion in cash… This echos what the WSJ has also reported… So, with all this cash, where are the jobs? Your argument makes no sense. You have been duped. Why would ANY business having no or poor demand for its goods or services hire more employees? To increase their production costs, their inventory costs, their payroll while not increasing their revenues because they arent selling their goods? This notion of the wealthy being the sacrosanct “job creators” is BS. Without demand for their stuff, they got nothing, but fear they are going to go bankrupt.
I agree. This is bad news for the job creators. Unemployment is bound to increase in China. But, there should be some positive news for banking jobs in the Cayman Islands.
Huh? You are still under a delusion of just who the “job creators” are? It is the middle class who provide roughly 67 percent of demand for goods and services in our economy. Havent you been paying attention? Without demand for goods and services there would be no jobs coming from anyone: small business or large… This notion of the wealthy being ” job creators” by virtue of their holdings is nonsense.
the wealthy are job creators…. for china.
you are truly the royal scammer They are creating NO jobs,in america anyhow Pretty foolish you “bought” that line .
Raising tax rates and spending cuts will not by themselves do a lot for the deficit. Expanding the economy is the number one solution. If fact raising tax rates could result in little to no additional revenue.
Exactly! Expand our economy and increase revenue to all forms of government so we do not need such draconian cuts to important programs like SSI or Medicare. How do we expand our economy? Easy. Buy local, buy American. Good luck with keeping the sheep out of WalMart though.
so why aren’t the jobs creators creating jobs?
They are. In China.
They are creating jobs. In COMMUNIST China.
Then thank God we just lowered taxes for everybody…well everybody who probably needs the extra cash anyways.
The deficit is a function of health care spending. If the U.S. spent the same amount as other countries, our deficit would be a surplus. Why, oh why, do Americans insist on continuing our current health care system?
I agree. As a healthcare provider, I can tell you that much of “Healthcare” is overpriced. Because Medicare, in particular, sets the standard for the value of health care procedures without ever really knowing their market value, the cost of health care in the United States is totally arbitrary. Who likes it? Health insurance companies, health care administrators who make millions without ever having a face to face contact with a patient … and politicians who get to “distrubute” health care dollars to their favorites…
Because there is huge money in it for big pharma, big healthcare, and big insurance companies, that is why. What do I win?
Another $4 Trillion added to the deficit and the burgeoning national debt…. The only way to pay for it is for the Federal Reserve Bank to print more money, devaluing the dollar making everything even MORE expensive for everyone. The Congress is totally corrupt and irresponsible. The President is either stupid and ignorant or willfully working to destroy the American economy. We deserve our coming poverty.
It would have been $10 trillion; that is a $6 trillion saving!!!
Oh … how could I have been so stupid. (sarcasm off) Pretty foolish: you’re being facetious, aren’t you? You don’t really mean it…
I do.
However the withholding taxes from peoples paychecks will go up regardless of how much you make
The democrat senate just handed us a 40% tax increase! We fought a revolution over a 3% tax!
What has happend to you people?
and the republican house approved it…..you point?
“we” don’t make over $450,000 .Maybe you do; but that’s hard to believe.
Amazing how not raising taxes can be referred to as a “tax cut”…
We have three problems: revenue, spending, and narrow focused decisions based only on politics. Don’t think so? Check out Kristol’s box score where the only important evaluation–to him–was that the President was not getting much out of it “in his time of power”. How about what we the people get out of this mess? It’s not about just winning your next primary and personally defeating the President. It’s not a football game.
How can anyone call a $1000 dollar increase on middle class earners “tax relief”?
I swear……..the education establishment in this country should be extremely ashamed of producing the current crop of maroons that vote.
This from the New York Times;
“Lawmakers’ decision not to reverse a scheduled increase in the payroll
tax that finances Social
Security, while widely expected, still means that about 77 percent of
households will pay a larger share of income to the federal government this
year, according to the center’s analysis.”
http://tinyurl.com/bfjcqb5
And the American hyper consuming tee vee addict takes it yet again! Thank you sir may I have another?
And pay no mind to the non federal federal reserve. Nah, they aren’t to blame. No problem there.
“Fiscal cliff” are you kidding me? Why do we let this bs go on? We deserve everything we get.
Lets keep printing Monopoly money. Spending billions on armies, keep dropping drone bombs that kill way too many civilians, and building macdonald’s in the Middle East. All the while getting away with charging ridiculous college tuition rates and down right dirty student loan programs.
$400,000 – $450,000 is middle class now?
Damn, I’m closer to the bottom than I thought. Nice to know my payroll tax will increase to make up for the revenue lost on the middle class.
Civil disobedience anyone?
Sick of being a slave? Treated like s@&$ ?
Missing from this article is that the HOUSE did consider an ammendment with $ 300 billion in spending cuts.They coluldn’t muster the votes needed to pass it. . So the minority can huff and puff all that they want about spending cuts , but that is all that it will be— huffing and puffing .They don’t have the votes (or the courage) to pass any. .BIG TALK no action
Their lack of effort and concern has left those poor Sandy victims in quite a tough spot as well. Guess there just wasn’t enough 1-2 %ters affected by the storm to catch their attention.
How can anyone call a $1000 dollar increase on a family with $50K income middle class “tax relief”?
I swear……..the education establishment in this country should be extremely ashamed of producing the current crop of maroons that vote.
This from the New York Times;
“Lawmakers’ decision not to reverse a scheduled increase in the payroll
tax that finances Social
Security, while widely expected, still means that about 77 percent of
households will pay a larger share of income to the federal government this
year, according to the center’s analysis.”
http://tinyurl.com/bfjcqb54 4
Maybe congress should abolish the Social Security maximum and have all income, even that income over $104,000 taxed for Social Security and then we could keep the percentage at the level it was for 2012.
Capital gains tax should be the same as the income tax.
Don’t have much do you?
Lots of self proclaimed liberal economists on this board. I didn’t realize economics were part of the majors of choice with the average enlightened crowd.
Liberals make an attempt to be informed in nearly all areas. It is kind of what makes them liberals to begin with.
Even by Obama’s math, this would generate only $62 billion in 2013 (it could have been a mammoth $80 billion if the top tier was $250k), yet he plans to spend more than $1,000 billion above the total federal revenue in 2013. Will some enlightened liberal explain why this does anything? In any event, I am glad that is finally over so we can now watch Obama squirm as he decides whether to golf or lead in trying to save the entitlement programs for our children. My guess is he will pass the buck yet again due to his incompetence while his ignorant supporters will try to find someone else to blame. Happy New Year!
You guys can’t have it both ways. You can’t fluctuate between screaming bloody murder that the tax hikes are crushing and will destroy the country and then also argue that the tax hikes are insignificant.
I am not arguing for more tax hikes. I am hoping you liberal dolts will finally understand that raising taxes on “millionaires and billionaires” accomplishes nothing. Capiche? Hopefully now you will understand that we need to trim about $1 trillion in government spending PER YEAR, not over 10 years, to achieve real economic reform. Basically, let’s go back to the spending levels before Obama took over.
You don’t know what you are talking about. Spending under Bush was greater than Obama. The recession triggered automatic spending due to transfer payments written into already passed law, but discretionary spending under Bush was greater… Look it up.
Tax break for the middle class? Wasn’t it the libber dems who railed against the tax break for the middle class and now are the champions of the movement? What a joke. These thieves are going to “tax” the middle class in other ways and the sheep won’t even know it. How many of the sheep are thanking Bush for their “tax cuts”? The libbers never wanted them to begin with now they are so concerned. Like the sheep that follow them, they are phony.
anyone who is in favor of a tax increase without spending cuts doesn’t go to work everyday, or doesn’t understand the situation.
There is no middle class tax break. Obamacare taxes for everyone are just beginning. The payroll tax is now up to approx. 6%. Look at your next paycheck. If that doesn’t convince you, continue to check prices on gas, food, clothing, utilities, etc. Obama’s EPA regulations plus quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve are going to cause prices across the board to steadily rise.
The payroll tax break wasn’t extended because of Republicans. Don’t be dishonest here.
was this a surprise to anyone?
another “doom and gloom” article from the mainstream media meant to keep americans distracted and on the edge of our seats
govern by crisis..
did anyone honestly think that they’d let anything negative happen?
Everyone can spin this vote anyway they want…..but in the end the GOP decided to vote in favor based on conscience and for the good of the nation, not partisan politics, the same partisan BS that had created this issue in the first place.
How do you come up with this stuff? Good for the Nation?? Go Back to bed.
$1 in Spending Cuts for Every $41 in Tax Increases!
Senate-Passed Deal Means Higher Tax on households with incomes between $50,000 and $200,000! This come right from your paychecks chumps! But the Head Liar In Chief promised that NOBODY, NO ONE, NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN making under $250,000 would pay a dime more in taxes under his plan.
As of Jan. 1, the rate of workers’ payroll taxes, which fund Social Security,is back to 6.2%, on the first $113,700 in wages!
America…you voted for this!
YOU put obama back in office!
YOU gave the senate to the democrats!
I have never seen a more ignorant bunch of voters in my life!
Don’t forget the massive Obamacare taxes and less access to health care for all!
“I have never seen a more ignorant bunch of voters in my life!”
You never voted in a Republican primary?
Its funny hearing republicans talk, i really think they are not to bright. This was a sweet deal for republicans, just 2 years ago republicans would have dreamed of this outcome and they are so clouded by the tea parties message, they have no clue anymore.
You should know basic grammar before calling others dumb. However, you are correct. If the GOP had agreed to raise taxes on the rich 2 years ago, Mitt Romney would be president now and our economic situation would be optimistic.
Is the headline really how the liberals are going to spin this? They have spent the last 10 years demonizing the evil Bush tax cuts and vowing to repeal them. Now, when they make 99% of them permanent, they want to take credit for them?
Pretty funny stuff. I guess when you have an electorate that is so stupid they would elect Obama twice, this is what you can get away with.
I feel stupid for thinking he was anything but the capitulator in chief. What a bad deal for the American people, Terrible. Obama has no backbone at all.
They bad mouth Bush tax cuts until they benefit them….LOL
If you weren’t so partisan, tag, you might realize how badly you are reading this. Obama told an audience not too long ago that if he was proposing some of the policies he has in the mid 1980’s he would be called a moderate republican. I’m under no illusions about where he is on just about anything. He is not a progressive, and being one myself I say that very confidently. Alot of people voted for him because voting for Mittens would have been a disaster… many conservatives thought the same, though for different reasons. As far as the economy is concerned Obama hasn’t done as good as could have been done on these deficit creating Bush tax cuts… Obama now OWNS the Bush tax cuts. He now has to come up with how to pay for them… Pretty much the same problem we had a couple of days ago. This whole thing has been poorly played, and once again, the middle class will likely foot much of the bill eventually.
Well now that Obama has finally passed a budget that will get us all the way up to next Thursday.Wonder what magical thing he will accomplish in his next 4 year vacation.
pretty simple make the bozo in the whitehouse pass a budget.All this crap would end.For all you progressive supporters of this idiot it is a BUDGET.
Taxes go up on 80% of households and you call it a tax break for the middle class? The real reason you people go to journalism school is that you are so bad in math.
It looks like everybody pretty much has everything covered here.
Well,I am sure this crap is over, the Democrats got what thet wanted raising taxes on most everyone that actually pays taxes and almost no spending cuts. For every dollar in spending cuts there are 42 dollars in increased spending.
The Democrats truly own the economy now and should be held responsible for the economic failure to follow.
BTW the issue will be back in a month or so when the debt limit is hit again.
Read whats in the bill they passed, There’s a provision extending a tax policy related to Puerto Rican rum.
An extension of some special rules for the film and television business.
A gift to the car-racing world.
http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-in-the-fiscal-cliff-bill-2013-1
since when is 400 grand a year middle class? people wake up!
how much taxes do you pay?
“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it compromises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed to debts and taxes….known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few…No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” – James Madison
WHO voted for it and who voted against it????????????????
The chickens come home to roost.Take a long look at that tax savings the great divider gave you in your next check.When is this country going to wake up to the fact this guy is an idiot.If the media had any backbone at all.They would get him at a press conference and ask him just how this tax increase helps the middle class.I am sure like all other situations that has arisen he will just get a pass.Pretty sad when the media that is suppose to inform covers for an idiot.
The chickens come home to roost.Take a long look at that tax savings the
great divider gave you in your next check.When is this country going to
wake up to the fact this guy knows nothing.If the media had any backbone
at all.They would get him at a press conference and ask him just how
this tax increase helps the middle class.Bet they would get no answer.I am sure like all other
situations that has arisen he will just get a pass.Pretty sad when the
media that is suppose to inform covers for him.