MEDWAY, Maine — The Board of Selectmen is the only legislative body in the state that supports a feasibility study of Roxanne Quimby’s proposed 70,000-acre national park, but that might change if Jim Stanley has his way.
Stanley and a handful of residents are well on their way to forcing a referendum to challenge the town’s support of studying Quimby’s proposal. They need about 80 signatures and as of Thursday had about 50, he said.
“There are a lot of people who take the perspective that they don’t agree with it, but they are not very proactive,” Stanley said. “Talking to people around town, there seems to be a heck of a lot more that are not in favor of it than are.”
Town officials told Stanley that 80 signatures would be about 10 percent of the registered voters in town who voted in the last election, enough to legally compel the Board of Selectmen to place a nonbinding referendum question on the ballot asking whether voters support a National Park Service feasibility study, he said.
East Millinocket leaders opted to allow their town’s voters to decide their stance on the issue during the last election and the voters opted 513-132 against supporting a feasibility study on Nov. 8. In Medway, meanwhile, about 70 people attended a town meeting last summer at Medway Middle School in which residents voted 46-6 to support a study.
Bruce Cox, chairman of the Medway Board of Selectmen and co-chairman of the National Park Citizens Committee — which supports a feasibility study — said he was surprised to hear that a town resident was organizing against Medway’s town meeting vote.
“I just feel we had a good meeting [on that issue] and that it was well-publicized in advance and well-attended,” Cox said Thursday during an interview at the committee’s new office off Route 11. “But citizens certainly have a right to circulate a petition.”
“I think we will probably seek legal advice as to what our obligations [to the petition] are,” Cox said of the Board of Selectmen.
Supporters of a study, which include at least 16 Katahdin region and statewide business, civic and environmental groups, believe it would indicate whether a park could work for the Katahdin region and northern Maine by diversifying the economy.
Park opponents have expressed fears that the park would undermine the state’s forest products industries and extend federal authority into northern Maine in an unneeded and unwanted way. Supporters believe that a park could co-exist well with the forest products industry.
A statewide effort, the citizens committee has collected more than 1,000 signatures for a petition favoring a feasibility study, including signatures from about 450 Katahdin region residents and 42 Katahdin region business owners, said George McLaughlin, who co-chairs the committee with Cox.
A statewide poll conducted by an independent Portland research firm showed that 60 percent of 600 Mainers questioned in October favored a feasibility study.
Cox, McLaughlin and other committee members are plotting their campaign strategy for 2012 now and hope to have that work finished within a few weeks, McLaughlin said.
Besides opening the office and continuing their collection of petition signatures and their own research into a park’s feasibility, committee members are meeting with potential providers of studies of a park’s potential impact on the Katahdin region and on the forest products’ industry, McLaughlin said.
Stanley, meanwhile, said that any Medway resident interested in supporting his petition for a townwide referendum on the park feasibility study can contact him at 746-7776.
“To me it is cut and dry. It is not about feasibility study,” Stanley said. “People just plain don’t want a national park. The study is the first step in the process of getting a park. If a study gets denied, the park will be a dead project and I am not in favor of a park to begin with.”



Local stupidity, an avalanche wannabe. Why not?
Pro-Park Medway Selectmen fixed the last vote and this will prove it..!
The citizens of Medway will get their vote and it wont be the same as the last one!
Quimby’s La-La Land is nearing its end….
And your la-la land is killing Millinocket.
And the voters of Medway will kill Quimby’s La-La Land
I hope a chiplifter flies down and bites you, sprucedweller and Cecil Gray on the arse!!
That will help your young folks with economic possibilities.
Millinocket is dead, has been, and continues to be. When the newspapers and the news media’s gag by Cates St. is lifted and the truth be known beyond the workers and their families who expect to be paid for their work… you will see exactly how dead Millinocket is. And indeed as dead as East Millinocket is. If you think the school budget is bad now? Consider it with NO TAX MONEY from the mill/mills.
Not paying their bills already?
They will pay taxes. Cate St. has a TIF. Other businesses have the same.
Yeah 1.3 million less. The towns haven’t even braced for that reduction yet. They think the two or three cuts they made last year was allot, wait until this July.
They have a TIF, they got the state to own a landfill that is going to have to be cleaned up eventually, they even got a million bucks to start up. When do we get to stop paying ? All of this, ..for one company, ONE!
You know as well as I exactly what a TIF does, it subsidizes a private industry. Speaking of corporate welfare……..sheesh.
And your comment has to do with Quimby?
Change is good
How did they fix the vote, It was taken in public in front of everyone. Look at WABI’s news coverage of it.
most had no notification of that vote, but the upcoming vote “will” show just how much Medway is not in favor of a park
That was lame. A vote is a vote is a vote. I suppose all issues that a town has to vote on deserves it’s campaign time then?
And what’s next? What happens if she decides to develop some of this land? You know, like Plum Creek? A thousand house lots here, a couple of resorts there…….what would be the reaction then?
the only lame thing here is that you are unable to differentiate between small town issues and major issues that would have massive impacts on the area
the only lame thing here is that you are unable to differentiate between small town issues and major issues that would have massive impacts on the area
And I will repeat, such as you have……..you mention a massive impact. An impact, that you or anyone else has no idea would entail. Admit it: YOU DON’T KNOW, do you?
I do, I went to Quimby’s meetings,,,, have you?
the only lame thing here is that you are unable to differentiate between small town issues and major issues that would have massive impacts on the area
Exactly, but you don’t have any more of an idea WHAT the impact would be than I do.
Small town issues and major issues should all be treated the same, as they relate to municipalities and their town meetings. What is it that is being sought? a campaign? Classic cake and eat it too.
If a person makes a motion during the town meeting, then some sort of vote is warranted. Apparently you didn’t attend that particular town meeting, or are disgruntled that you were one of the 6 in the minority. Or, you don’t even live there.
Wrong again, that meeting was rigged from the get go and if you lived there youd know
HA ha ha……rigged from the beginning? So I take it that the governing body of Medway are all political schemers who have absolutely no patience for voter imput. And why would I have been there, I’m from Plum Creek land.
And I’m not wrong, YOU have absolutely NO idea what the impact would be. And I do know that when a motion is made, it is voted upon. Get over yourself
hope you keep your sense of humor after the vote
I could care less about the vote. You see, she needs to convince the federal government regarding the validity of a park, not Medway Maine. The feds will take into consideration Medway’s concerns, but it isn’t paramount. And you STILL haven’t addressed the fact that you have no idea what the impact would be……because you can’t, and that’s because……you don’t know.
And she won’t convince the feds because the 4 sitting members from Maine DO NOT support this park. Good luck getting anyone else to approve it when the 4 Maine reps want nothing to do with it.
Last time I checked, there are 100 senators and and 435 members of congress. That’s more than 4.
Having saying that little bit of reality, Mike Michaud has indicated that a feasibility study isn’t what is needed, an economic impact study should be done prior to any feasibility study, and he’s absolutely right.
And I’ll bet you, that any one of our delegation members will say whatever crowd they are speaking to wants to hear. That’s politics.
Hey, thanks for stating obvious facts about how many members represent us in Washington. And since you can’t seem to read between the lines, Ms Dill or is this Roxanne, let me spell it out for you. The four members who represent Maine, who once again are against this park, will walk amongst their consituents and let them know what a terrible idea this park is and how the people of Maine do not want it. And our two Senators carry quite a bt of weight down there, hence Bath Iron Works still building ships, and PNSY still fixing subs. They also played a big part in turning over BNSY into a profitble business park. And since you mention Mike Michaud, let me inform you that he is an AVID outdoorsman, and a member of the MSA. He is VEHIMATELY opposed to this park.
Thats right, “you” could care less about how area residents feel….!
hope you keep your sense of humor after the vote
It’s hard to imagine why anyone would organize an effort to continue the era of unemployment and stagnation that has gripped this region for some many years. Here is a chance for these communities to become self-sufficient again and stop relying on the rest of Maine to pay their bills (and perhaps give some value to otherwise worthless real estate). No reasonable person would pass on this.
Self flogging takes on a new meaning. Got to be the dumbest of the dumb.
No reasonable person would want such a Federal Park when they have no money to begin with. Nor would they want to take some our Maine rights away. You already have a play ground on M.D.I. Her hand out has too many strings.
Thats right, “no reasonable person”
No money to begin with? If someone could even begin to figure out how this would benefit the area, then perhaps we could discuss what’s real and not supposition.
The no parks are just like land owners when they found out that towns had to impliment comprehensive planning…..”you can’t tell me what I can do with my land”……….but what are you doing right now?
BS… Under Baldacci & LURC I was told what I could and more often couldnt do on my land.
Quimby’s land “is her’s” until she makes it federal land…!
I wonder what your reaction would be if the feds took her federal park and made it into a military base….? Youd probably say they couldnt do that; youd be wrong…!
I hope a chiplifter flies down and bites you, sprucedweller and Cecil Gray on the arse!!
seems to me that great northern paper company and its employees are going to help a lot of maine people pay their bills…
They are afraid, they are simple minded, they never learned how to think….. 3 reasons why they oppose even a STUDY. It doesn’t get anymore cowardly than that.
Most are not opposed to a STUDY, but not a National Park STUDY. It should be an ECONOMIC STUDY!!!
An economic study without the park component would be for what? To tell the area that if things don’t change and we continue in the same way we have for 25 years that we will be worse than we are now. I would think if they were going to have a study it would at least include things that would improve or harm the area.
I agree with you somewhat, but why just study the park? Why not everything?
any intelligent person knows it is a very ignorant idea. already have a park. re naming a small section added to the bax park, will not make, or bring anymore visitors than already come each year. and its not alot now.what is it about liberals that want to command everyones life? if this so called woman wants a park, let her go to north carolina and try to shove one down their throat, afterall, isnt that where she took her business? she does not like the people of this state. if she thought this place and the residents are so great, why then did she throw out the jobs, here and send them to no. caro?
where is your common sense?
Wish I lived in Medway so I could add my signature. Good luck Mr. Stanley. Keep up the good work. We need to continue to keep down Roxanne and her stupid idea.
Cecil and Bangorian, (and tho we have not yet heard from Spruce Dweller,.. you too) When you file your taxes this year, (If you file taxes?) will you show the money that the pro park folks paid you to stay on these threads and beat these fine people’s opinions, thoughts and beliefs into the ground?
I would invite you to read, listen and study the COMPLETE PICTURE of a proposed NP,.. not only the few high points of the idea….. if you put as much effort into actually helping the local economy as these people do,.. maybe,.. just maybe,.. there would be more oportunity for all in the region….
Exactly – I think their only job is to lurk around waiting for an article to come out so they can comment, and they don’t seem to have any idea how a National Park really works.
Sounds like they already know the vote will be against too….hmmm…..
I would invite you to read the complete picture of the proposed Cates St. project and the complete picture that the Forest Industry left you with. A modernized Forest Industry with a niche has 16 million acres on which to reinvent itself, and I hope it does. The old stand by of cut and run will not do it. The NP is simply another vantage point from which to enjoy Maine and reap what tourist benefit it brings. The sane solution is to have many players in the economic foundation. The resistors to the NP cry out in paranoid gibberish about end to all forest products, no more recreational access, and mostly they cry out in ideologic hatred. You can stop the well worn BS about me getting a paycheck from Roxanne Quimby, HSUS, or any other talking point bullseye you can fabricate.. If Ms. Quimby ever approached me about a job I would listen to the offer and make a decision, but I doubt she has any interest in me. Your interest should be in advancing the opportunities in Millinocket because the present one is not doing it whether the NP comes to be or not. Survivors change and adapt.
You need to change and adapt as well Cecil – the forest
industry isn’t about making paper anymore .
Take a look at the philosophy of John Malone – Maine’s biggest
landowner. Find a National Park that
hasn’t grown larger since inception. We
can, and should, explore other options to preserve the integrity of the land,
and yet continue to allow access for EVERYONE, both recreational and employment
related. All of the benefits of a NP can
be accomplished without the restrictions, rules, and enforcement that come with it. With the
way people feel here in Maine, proponents owe it to us to do just that.
http://preservemainetraditions.com/feasibility-study-whats-the-big-deal/
And you think the way people have treated Ms. Quimby during this process will make her open to allowing access on her land? If I were her, I’d gate it all off and post it…and close the trails.
That is her right as a private landowner.
She has no right to bring the NPS to northern Maine to unleash their coercive and downright mean spirited land aquisition tactics.
Hell, they can’t even maintain what they have now.
Then she has a right to put up gates, she has the right to restrict access to her land, and she has the right to sell thousands of house lots, and even some resorts. Hell, maybe she will build a casino as well…….and guess what? Medway won’t have a thing to say about any of them.
I’d sooner see house lots than a national park.
Guess what residential zoning does to recreation and harvesting rights. You want to know? Ask Plum Creek.
UMMMM… Provides jobs????
That would be well within her rights as a property owner and
better than a giant NP in the North Maine Woods. Do you think she’s really going to keep all
that land when she finally realizes she’s not getting a NP? Do you think she’s going to keep it when the
tree growth tax gets revoked because of no harvest plan or recreational
access? She has plenty of other
options that will achieve everyone’s
goals here.
She seems like a very smart person and I honestly think she is hoping to benefit the region with the national attention a national park designation would get, including the subsequent development and cash flow from visitors. She is obviously a good businessperson and will not do nothing with the land. She is altruistic and so I bet this land will benefit those who are able to be grateful and appreciate the gift, no matter what. I hope she receives national coverage for her generosity and foresight in the end. That would certainly expose the small-minded and mean-spirited amongst us.
She wants the benefit of having the NPS further the green, preservationist agenda of her and her econazi friends while bestowing a “legacy” in her name.
She could care less about the good people of the Katahdin region.
They are in the way as far as she is concerned.
I do not think she cares nothing for the people of this region. I know about $15,000 her foundation gave to fund the Trails End Festival for 3 years and another $5,000 she has given to the downtown revitalization group. If it were the state giving you money, would you distrust their motives like you do hers? A lot of people have put motives behind her donation and funding that don’t even know her. Check out her foundation online sometime. They give to education, agriculture, historic and cultural non profits and we’re talking about millions of dollars. She has given to non profits in the state at a time when donations were drying up from the recession and many probably would have folded. This is not a person who doesn’t care. If you do not trust her, you should examine your own motives, not hers.
She is ONLY trying to buy herself a legacy.
Nothing more.
WE didn’t start this process.
There are many scenarios that she could look at if she was trying to help the region.
None suit her purpose of enticing the federal government to exert control over the region through the NPS policies.
Go sell your philanthropic BS somewhere else.
We’re not buying.
And what is wrong with leaving a legacy? Governor Baxter did and we are the better for it. The hundreds of people who enjoy that park every year and come back with their children to renew family ties I’m sure don’t think he was selfish. Legacies go beyond the person who creates them as I’m sure she intends hers to. What would you have her do with the money she has made, squander it on cigarette boats and condos on some tropical island? Build a Neverland like Michael Jackson? Because she has money doesn’t make her a bad person and it seems to me like she is trying to do good things that will benefit other people with it. I don’t see the problem, unless you have a hard time with gratitude.
I miss posted.
She is using her 100’s of millions to BUY support to establish her legacy.
She has absolutely no regard for the people of the Katahdin region and considers them to be not much better than vermin to be shooed away.
You obviously know nothing of the history we have with this person or her intended plans that DO NOT include us, the people of the area.
Unfortunately some of the people in this area have acted like vermin toward her so have gotten no more than they deserve. As far as her plans including the people of this area, they certainly do. But you may be echoing the sentiment of some locals that Baxter Park is not for locals, either, which is hogwash.
She has a harvest plan for her property and she does allow recreational access, i think i saw many people there this summer on her land fishing, fiddleheading, snowmobiling and camping. Half of you whine asses probably haven’t even been there or could walk her property lines.
Some of you really need to get a grip.
I saw the snow sledders in the winter, not in the summer.
Sure you did. Were you lying to us medway? It sure sounded good.
Ahhh I see. I didn’t realize her statement of “letting the land rest” constituted a harvest plan. I suppose you can cite a document proving that too?
You have to have a plan in order to get the tax breaks. I am sure it must be public record. Fact is there is not much there ready to harvest and won’t be for decades..
Actually – they aren’t public record.
Could you please tell us about what could happen 60 miles surrounding this proposed park? …and what has happened in other areas of the country.
Nothing! Only NP’s established before 1977 fall under Class I Clean Air guidelines. All that was propaganda on the part of the Ban Roxanne folks who would rather shoot themselves in the foot than take something from a smart, rich, women. Sad.
Ah yes,stores in these towns would probably would open. Hotels would be full. Homes would be bought.Schools would have many more students and the towns would have a solid tax base.
I think your comment is, to the very least, reprehensible. How dare you say that other’s don’t pay their taxes. That mill certainly doesn’t, enjoy your property tax bill when the education funding comes out.
I would invite you to demonstrate to me how it is an economic or feasibility study is not going to provide additional and needed information? How do you know, that this proposal is evil? How do you know that it won’t help the area? You don’t.
They were the only legislative board in the state to support the feasibility study? I didn’t realize that Quimby’s legacy had that little official support. That’s great. It doesn’t matter, though. She’s still going to try and ram it through.
She can try….
Has anyone asked the question,why now does she want this to be a park?When infact she herself has not been very out going to the pulic to use roads to different parts of the maine woods.Which she has restrected that right from the beginning!An now all of a sudden she wants a national forest for all to enjoy.Maye i’m missing the point here.Please Roxanne come forward an tell the real truth!Politics is money orinted why not take that outof the equation an just give us mainers the plain facts!!! Plan an simple.Then maybe you might just have a better response
She wants to do what Baxter did…. How simple can it be.
No.
She wants to do what Baxter prevented which was to allow the federal government to take over Mt Katahdin and the surrounding areas for a NATIONAL park.
Baxter knew of the coercive tactics used by the NPS and was able to stop them from gaining a toehold in the region.
Prove it …. Quotes?
Can’t search the subject yourself? Here’s your proof;
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=percival+baxter+was+against+a+national+park
and if you can’t find a quote in the search here it is;
“Baxter, saying he did not trust the federal government, resisted efforts to turn the park into a national park. “
Thanx for your support!!!
That is not entirely true. Many wanted him to include the Allagash River in his park, but he refused. The federal government stepped in after awhile and listed as a Wild and Scenic R. River. The state stepped in to manage the waterway, this was the first time a state managed a Wild and Scenic River.
If old Percival didn’t want federal control in the Maine woods why did he risk the AWW to Feds?
It would be better than Baxter.
Its hard to really see someone with the Medway name saying that…..
What have you been drinking? Do you really think that any more explanation or discussion by Ms. Quimby will be reasonably received? If I were her, I would not subject myself in any way to the bigoted and small minds of the people of that region who prefer to watch their towns wither and die. Their disrespect of her is only blatant proof of their disrespect for themselves.
Is it just me or is the first part of this article confusing to read and understand? I think it should have been proofread first, just my opinion.
Why is it when an indivial buys property acre after acre an then cut acess by roads that people have used for years by the prevoius owners?Then all of a sudden she wants to make this a public park?Seems funny to me that she has to use big money machince of goverment to obtain this.When in fact if she was out oing to public she would ahve put a better taste in everyones mouth by being forth comming right from the start.Maybe I am not seeing the whole picture here.But sure looks funny to me an alot of others too,why shouldn’t we people of maine have a say.Especially ones closer to the property then i.But if it smells from the start usally is rotten in the end
Yogi,
The only thing fishy about this is why she met with the Millinocket Town Manager in that so called “working group” for almost 5 years to negotiate a satisfactory disposition of the property and as soon as Millinocket got the first two land swaps closest to them they shut the door on the rest of the proposal. As long as Millinocket keeps Conlogue around they will never have the respect or trust of surrounding communities. To work on a Regional level requires trust and leadership which is apparently lacking.
This women has been dragged in the mud because Millinocket did not act in good faith and could care less about Medway or anybody else in the Region. Looks to me that she has continued to negotiate but some choose to call it coercion. As long as people are happy with the way things are not much is going to change.
The NP concept has the ability to be part of a better future for the entire region. Problem is no leadership and no vision. You have to invest in the future or there is no future. They don’t get that.
Here! Here! I’m with you on this one. And what is funny is the paranoia about federal control. Seems to me Senator Snow is controlling this and Conlogue is her puppet. How is that not federal control?
Look at the number of businesses still closing in this region; hotels, convenience stores and tell me there is some kind of plan by the local government to actually help the region. All they know how to do is say no but do not know how to make a plan, except, of course, for welcoming trash from other states to foul our region further. I hope Ms. Quimby keeps this 70,000 acres and closes it off to those who have not supported her and makes a recreation area out of it anyway because, along with Baxter State Park, that may be the only forest left standing to attract any influx of money to the area.
Two months ago most of the gates at Acadia closed for the winter months.
Where are the people that depend on those gates being open working now???
I bet the gates out west aren’t closed. They depend on thousands of snow sledders. Maybe 4 strokes, but still snow sleds.
Probably not for long – enviromentalists have been suing and suing to get them out of them..one of these days they’ll win – it’s not part of a Park protection of the resource plan.
http://serc.carleton.edu/research_education/yellowstone/snowmobiles.html
Every park is different and she understands the need to bring stability to the local economy.
She does not speak for the NPS. They have their own rules and regulations. Look them up – NPS.gov – and when they aren’t strict enough the preservationists sue.
I guess I stated that wrong. She understands the need to maintain a four season destination hence the additional property to give to the state for traditional uses.
She only understands what she deems as necessary to extend her “legacy”
She only understands what she deems as necessary to extend her “legacy”
Four Season Destination is the approuch that needs to be taken.
The national park these people envision will give no one any future in the north woods.
This vision is for a WILDERNESS park.
No roads.
No businesses.
No industry.
No timber harvesting.
No hydro dams.
No PEOPLE. (Except the elites and their friends)
They want it to revert back to what it was, which even they can’t explain as to what that is.
This is not true, I am for the study that includes the park. If the park was to be opened as you have stated I would be against it. This is not how this park will be, I have not seen a NP yet that meets that criteria. Ask around there are some preliminary
ideas.
None of which will be implemented.
You’re believing in the promises made by this woman when she knows full well that as soon as the NPS takes ownership, all her promises will be like dust in the wind.
Gone.
Just like the remaining residents that have stuck it out during the depopulation efforts perpetrated by the likes of LURC, NRCM, TNC, The Wilderness Society, Earth First, and all the other enviroterrorist groups, that have been coddled by the liberal Democrat party in Augusta for the last thirty plus years.
If she owns the land, she can do what she wants with it as long as it’s within the law. People post their property all the time. She just has a really big piece of property.
Hooray for some Medway Residents who do not want this.
Quimby National Park Opposition
(Republicans, Democrats & Independents)
Governor LePage has said “the hell she is”
Congressman Mike Michaud opposes it-
Senator Susan Collins opposes it-
Senator Olympia Snowe opposes it-
Representative Herbie Clark (D) is against a national park-
Representative Doug Thomas (R) is against a national park-
Representative Jeff Gifford (R) is against a national park-
Millinocket Conservatives (Republicans, Democrats & Independents) are against a national park-The Millinocket Republican Committee opposes it
The Millinocket Town Manager (D) is against a national park-
The Millinocket Town Council is against a national park-
The Millinocket Fin and Feather Club is against a national park-
The Maine Woods Coalition is against a national park-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IAp0E5pujQ&feature=player_embedded
Don’t forget Preserve Maine Traditions!
http://preservemainetraditions.com/
Or
http://www.mainewoodscoalition.org/
http://mainewebreport.com/quimby-thinks-ill-of-maine-people-continues-to-alienate-and-divide/
Or
http://www.mainewoodscoalition.org/
https://www.bergsportswear.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=2&idproduct=10
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ban-Roxanne-No-Northwoods-National-Park/301750169841757
http://www.skinnymoose.com/wanderings/2010/02/17/ban-roxanne-gathering-forces-on-facebook-and-throughout-maine/
Quimby National park Supporters:
60% of Maine citizens
According to a poll paid for by a prominent Portland resident , Roxanne Quimby !
60% of 600 Maine people who were mislead on the DETAILS of a feasibility study.
put down the bong, its more like 60% against
Yah ok everyone believes that !! Thats like a one sided joke
Personally, I don’t have a stake in it. She owns the land, let her do what she wants with it. That’s what everyone is screaming about these days, isn’t it? Landowner rights? So I don’t really care too much, I live a couple of counties away anyhow.
But telling me that a list of politicians opposes something is not the way to get me to oppose it. Politicians are not known for their truthfulness or their intelligence, and certainly not for their promotion of anything that’s actually good for the people they “serve”. That makes me think that a feasibility study is a good idea, but maybe one that looks at what these politicians have to gain personally from not having this park.
so when Medway votes it down, just like East Millinocket voters did, how will Quimby’s minion spin it then..?
You point of view is interesting and I agree. what I don’t agree about is that you do have a stake in it. The Region is costing all of Maine’s tax payers money so I think we all have an interest in the proposal.
Blah, blah blah………..here’s the commercial folks.
I hope your keep your sense of humor when this never happens…..
How much is foxy roxy paying him????
One wonders
So true
An intrepid crusade of desolate witless mendacity to lobotomize their posterity and its prospects. Win or lose their place in history is assured.
My hero.
Big words coming from a deranged, small mind.
What kind of people oppose getting the facts. ?
What more than that do reasonable people need to know about Ms. Quimby’s detractors ?
What kind? That’s easy …. People so numb with fear that they’re blind to their own sorry state.
Some have got the facts , see the above comment by ” antiwhine”. Why are you park proponents so against an economic study of the potential of the region considering all the factors including the park ? Afraid to see that the anti’s are right ?
Not at all, but if you have been following the local paper (last week’s Katahdin News) the powers that be don’t want to include the park in a “broad based” economic study. Now that makes no sense. The anti’s are the ones who have already made up their minds. Quimby herself sent out a press release stating several weeks ago that she was supportive of a broad based economic study when Charlie Prey announced his TREES group. Anti’s are the ones who don’t care if a NP could add value.
So why not study the particulars ?
What are the paper people so afraid of besides the facts and a better future.
Got me, they already said there is plenty of wood. Some mis-information about Clean Air regulations were flying around. I guess you have to ask the nay-sayers.
I have asked them about that air quality misinformation .
It was like talking religion to an ayatollah.
You see, you have be a believer, first, so a liberal infidel like me, can never understand it.
And that was the VERY BEST answer I got.
Thank you Jim Stanley.
You’ve restored my faith in the sanity of the people of Medway.
It truly is time to put away those old high school rivalries in the tri-town area and unite against the demon at the doorstep, Roxanne Quimby and her merry band of econazis.
I gave you the first like and I hope you get thousands more. It is (over) time to for all in the Katahdin region to pull together for everything.
Unbelieveable that the Chairman of the Board is already speaking of seeking legal advice
” as to what our obligations [to the petition] are”.
What are you afraid of, Mr. Cox?
If, as you say, the meeting of the vote was well-publicized in advance and well-attended, what is the harm in allowing people to vote-unless you fear another “well-publicized” vote will not have the outcome you want?
Why would the Board of Selectmen want to deny Medway citizens their opportunity to vote on such an important issue since many are saying they were not aware of the vote at the mentioned meeting?
Good luck with your petition, Mr. Stanley, many of us are wishing you success with it!
For anyone wishing to inform themselves on this issue, you can find info at ~
http://preservemainetraditions.com/feasibility-study-whats-the-big-deal/
I am opposed to the National Park, but one needs to remember, GREED… this woman has power, with a trio of towns struggling with no $$$$$, what does this woman have, MONEY! The town manger in Millinocket is out to line his pockets along with his friends, naming one Mr Polstein, If this woman wants a park, she has the money, she will have a park, an with the
Millinocket Town Manager eager to take her money, she will have a park.
I think you are confused about the town managers.
Gene Conologue, TM of Millinocket, is, and has been a vocal critic of the Quimby plan from the start.
Polstein………well he is gambling everything on this park becoming a reality, so watch out for his tactics.
Polstein has built a beutiful place at Millinocket lake. Park or no park that legacy will survive. Hard work and ambition is being mistaken for politics here !
I give the man all the credit in the world for the work ethic, and effort he’s expended to further tourisim in the Katahdin Region.
The problem is that he is gambling on having a national park sighted near his ecoresort, using politics to try to entice the federal government to build a park for him to profit from.
Polstein needs to remember that the area is first and foremost, a wood products industry supported populace.
His minimum wage jobs cannot compete with the skilled jobs in the wood products industry. He knows this, is willing to throw the woods industry under the bus, and has shown us this time and again with his unwavering support for a park, even though he knows full well that it will never stop at 70,000 acres.
In my opinion, if Matt Polstein wanted to establish an ecoresort near a national ,park, he should have built it near one already in existence.
I’m sure that Matt doesn’t give a hoot about your opinion. As for his help, they have been with him for years. So he must treat them pretty well.
Some people don’t reach very high.
i wouldnt count on that
Not true. He worked along with her for 5 years before revealing his true feelings. He’s a snake in the grass.
Who are you talking about???
There are allot of leaders that have not shown there true feelings yet, Its not time to implement the big plan, Wait until community leaders and politicians start to show favor, it will happen.
You mean Conlogue worked with her for 5 years, he is the one that is a snake in the grass. Correct?
he and others worked with Quimby on trails, and other issues, but you must be doing some serious drugs if you think he supports a park
Where on earth did you come up with Gene Conlogue’s need to “Line His Pockets” with Quimby’s money? He has been on message for more than a decade about the financial hardship a Park would inflict upon the Katahdin region and beyond.
Exactly how did you manufactor a friendship between Matt Polstein and Gene Conlogue?
I believe we just entered the “Bizarro World”
put down the bong when you post
I would ask pro park enthusiasts to step away from mainstream media and dig deeper. It’s worth an hour of your time.
Research the town of Winter Harbor, Elliotsville Plantation, Maine Snowmobile Association, the private meetings with Katahdin area snowmobile clubs, the dire FINANCIAL situation of the National Park Service, the “Great Outdoors Initiative” being promoted by the Obamas, (while the Nation is nearly bankrupt, people have no jobs, no homes, no future), The present plans for EXPANSION of many National Parks (even though there is a backlog of 11 billion in park maintenance funding), and most importantly …. the many industries in the surrounding areas of National Parks nationwide eventually being forced to close.
Tourist Industry? Depending on the season, has anyone noticed the “caravans” of snowmobiles, ATV’s and motorized boats while traveling North on I-95? Proponents are saying that a NP will only enhance the tourist industry. In just ONE of many scenarios, it doesn’t take an economist to question how a 350 million dollar annual boost to Maine’s economy by the snowmobile tourist industry can be replaced by cross country skiers. Maine’s unique 14,000 miles of interconnecting snowmobile trails will be greatly reduced by the eventual expansion of Quimby’s 70,000 acre gift. Two major FACTS: #1.National Parks are eliminating snowmobile trails along with any other motorized recreation. #2. Throughout history, National Parks are EXPANDED after inception. The decision for expansion is done solely on the Federal level.
Bottom line …. Maine already has what entices a very diverse tourist industry. Maine’s logging industry is already well on it’s way to implementation of diversifying wood products. Land conservation has endless possibilities without Federal control. There already are opportunities for everyone to appreciate the true freedoms of Maine’s Woods, in the ways that they choose.
And finally … the people who have lived, worked and played in the Maine Woods for generations, not only deserve, but have the absolute right to have the biggest part of this decision making process.
No caravans yet….you need snow for snowmobiles.
Yep, that would be good but if you follow the politics in the Region the powers that be are promoting a broad based economic study without the park as a factor. Now that makes a lot of sence. Oh yea, they don’t want to use federal money to pay for the study because that would be too scary for the parinoid conspiracy theorist.
But the three towns are willing to take 500,00 from the feds for the scenic byway, that surrounds the future NP. Or how about Millinocket excepting 560,00 from the feds and the state for a walking trail or how about the 300,000 Millinocket excepted to improve the airport. If you don’t want federal money because you don’t want the feds to have a say or have control, don’t take any of there money.
Good point!
Here I will attempt to show some articles that I believe demenstrate the kind of diversity that the Medway town meeting voted to allow Medway to be open to. This type of economic growth means jobs. I liked the way things were however those days are gone. I think this type of diversity beats poling wood.
We don’t want any of that Federal money here in Millinocket. This type of development would cause our property value to go up. Of course I am being ironic. Yet when anybody talks about federal money coming to Millinocket we have a town manager and town councilors who actually say things just like I just said. I Quote one of them here ” We do not want any houses that cost $900,000 around here” When we live in a town that has property values that are 1/4 of the rest of New England maybe it is time to take a different look at how you see the other side of the mountain. Just look at some of the opinions that you can find about the gateway community of Elesworth
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Is this the same Jim Stanley that signed a letter of support for the feasibility study, If one asked around you could probably get a copy of it. It was from West Branch Choppers ,the company Jim Stanley owns.
Not surprised if it is. Herbie Clark signed a petition in favor of the feasibility study too.
I dare you to ask him that….
Don’t have to, saw him do it.
really, then you shouldnt be afraid to ask him why is one of the most vocal against it..?
Don’t have to, already did.
No you didnt, he just said so…..
Don’t have to, already did.
The people have rejected Quimby’s liberal la-la land proposal and/or its feasibility study!
The Governor, our two Senators, and the Congressman from the district in question have rejected it!
Nearly all of the State Legislature has rejected it!
Sports groups (fishing, hunting, atv, snowmobile and so on) have rejected it!
Most of Maine has rejected it!
The truth from Cate Street came out against it!
Lets face it, the Quimby National Park isnt gonna happen!!!!!
Move On…!
One thing to keep in mind about these National Park/ No National Park discussions is when you scroll down the string of posts, those who do not favor a National Park in the Baxter region provide cited information and facts outlining exactly why a NATIONAL park will have a potential adverse affect on the economics of the area. The pro park side provides no cited information. For example, Cecil Gray states that “Facts show that towns on the periphery of parks benefit while towns on the periphery of commercial forests do not.” Yet, Mr. Gray does not cite any direct evidence or source of his so called “facts”, nor do others. Not a single pro park person has cited data, and/or resources that show a forecast of success for this plan. Do you ever ask yourself why?
How true!! And ironically towns that are on the periphery of Parks actually show higher welfare rates – http://preservemainetraditions.com/maines-park-and-welfare-facts/
because the jobs created are mostly seasonal, dead end, and filled by people from out of state. Just like the age old Bar Harbor joke – I landed here and never made enough money to leave.
Good job Jim !! Now people will see that most of us in Medway don’t want this park !!
I think she should give it to GREENPEACE! All of it, including the land that was going to the state for “traditional uses”. Forget about the ungrateful people. Create a Noah’s Ark for the wildlife and be done with it.
WOW!
You REALLY DO know their plan for the north woods.
I couldn’t have said it better.
It’s a feasibility study…..that’s it. It’s not like a vote for or against the park, it’s a study, an attempt to gather information, thats it.
I haven’t decided yet, but I am wondering what is it that people fear in a feasibility study? How about an economic impact study, such as Charlie Pray suggested, prior to any feasibility study?
This isn’t going to go away any time soon, honestly.
An economic impact study done by two independent non-biased parties…maybe. A feasibility study? No way. What do you think a feasibility study is? Who does it? Why do you think proponents were so excited at this so called yes vote? A feasibility study is not an assessment of whether or not a NP is best for the community and economy – all it does is decide if the land is suitable or not for a NP – and the study is done by the NPS themselves. Where I come from that’s a conflict of interest. All the criteria are listed on the NPS website. You can also read more about it here;
http://preservemainetraditions.com/feasibility-study-whats-the-big-deal/
A NP feasibility study makes sence because then we would all know what the land qualitfies for. The shorter version would at least determine that. Depending on the recommended designation it would determine weather a “broad based” economic study including a park or what kind could be included. At least that is the way I understand it.
Read the link above, and the NPS criteria for Parkland. http://www.nps.gov/legacy/criteria.html
Educate yourself from the sources. The reason some people are asking for a economic study first is because a NP is going take a giant chunk out of the economy in the region. For facts on that, you can read this;http://preservemainetraditions.com/maines-national-park-gift-needs-regifting/
Like NEHView posted below proponents never post any facts. Just opinion. Cite a source.
You are correct. But one has to be done in order to complete the other. The Feds will consider both economic impact and land use. I don’t understand where you are coming from as it regards a conflict of interest, if that is the measuring stick, then our country wouldn’t have any national parks.
So I am presuming that you are saying that there is no way of knowing what impacts would occur, without some sort of investigation. And if you don’t gather the information necessary then, all of this is for nothing.
I don’t believe either point of view, simply because neither has convinced me that this isn’t a good idea, or that it is a good idea, and the reason why neither side can convince people of it’s validity, is because there isn’t enough information.
For someone that “supposedly” has experience with legislative affairs, you should know better than to expect an unbiased result from a study supported by a government bureaucracy.
Have you EVER seen a bureaucrat that DIDN’T want to expand his powerbase?
I have never seen a bureaucrat try to expand their power base. I’ve seen bureaucrats abuse their authority, but not expand it. There is no way that they can, because the legislature decides which department is responsible for determining which rules, and how they do it.
For instance, the Department of Mental Health used to be under the Department of Human Services. The Legislature decided that DHS was not doing what it was told to do, and what they did do, they did so poorly. Hence the Legislature decided that Mental Health will have it’s own, separate department.
Bureaucrats are able to abuse, but not create power. And, you, of all people should know this. I’m sure that you have seen in the newspaper, notices of the intention of a rule change, they have to have a public hearing on any rule changes, and they must also answer to the Legislature and the Governor.
But no one has answered my question, how is it that your concerns are the impact to the area…….when you don’t know what the impact is??? Would someone Please answer that question. Charlie Pray has indicated that he is more than willing to head a non governmental influenced, bi-partisan economic impact group. Charlie has interests in the area, and it’s quite obvious that his motivation is to provide information. That’s non-governmental, and pretty much locally conducted it starts to provide something that you or I don’t have…….impact information. You never know, you could be looking at a gift, but you’ll never know without the information.
Lastly, I don’t care if you know my real name. I don’t know your’s but I won’t go looking for it either. All you have to do is contact the Legislative Information Office and ask if I have ever worked there or not. I’ll give you a lady’s name and telephone number if you wish. Or you can ask Charlie Pray, either one will accommodate you.
“But no one has answered my question, how is it that your concerns are the impact to the area…….when you don’t know what the impact is???” How about you stop asking questions and read! Do your own research!
My point is, no one knows what the economic impact would be. Especially you.
All your babbling just proves my point that the state of Maine is a better place since you and the dem majority was thrown out of Augusta.
As described on the nps.gov website, a feasibility study does not account for the economic impact of the region, therefore in many ways you are answering your own question. The proposal of a feasibility study is moot in a region where the locals are overwhelmingly against a National Park. As you have keenly pointed out Rusjan, a comprehensive economic impact study can benefit the region and kick off a marketing strategy that will help identify exactly what direction the region can benefit from in terms of attracting industry and tourism. This is not a fear based position, rather a logical perspective.