They claim to be pregnant for 40 months in a row. They assume the identities of their dead fathers. They say they’re single when they’re married. They pretend to be caring for children when they’re not. They steal from the same state agency they work for. They conspire and deceive. These Maine welfare cheats are stealing public money. And they’re going to jail.

•••

Maine officials are stepping up efforts aimed at catching and convicting anyone who steals welfare money.

Department of Health and Human Service investigators are better trained. Local police are assisting on more cases. And state prosecutors are devoting more time and resources to putting behind bars people who rip off taxpayers’ money.

The numbers tell the story.

Last year, Maine grand juries returned a dozen indictments charging welfare fraud, double the number in 2010. Already in 2012, charges have been lodged against eight defendants in the Lewiston area alone.

State prosecutors secured 10 convictions last year, up 25 percent from a year earlier.

Investigators at the Department of Health and Human Services tripled the number of cases they referred to the Maine Attorney General’s Office over the same period.

Courts ordered nearly three times the amount of restitution be paid last year over the year before. The amount of money collected through court-ordered restitution nearly doubled last year.

Outside the courtroom, administrators last year recovered more than $2 million in overpayments to welfare recipients, also up from the previous year.

In 2010, DHHS fielded 1,200 reports of possible welfare fraud and abuse. In 2011, the number of reports nearly doubled to 2,100.

•••

While the Maine Attorney General’s Office investigates most crimes against the state, the Department of Health and Human Services is solely charged by law with investigating welfare fraud.

“Nobody was satisfied with the welfare fraud program a couple of years ago,” Assistant Attorney General Peter Black said. Then-Attorney General Janet Mills made the issue a priority, he said. And with a change in administration a year ago, DHHS has followed suit.

“There’s been a top-down change in focus from DHHS,” said Assistant Attorney General Leanne Robbin, who until recently was Black’s boss in the Financial Crimes Division at the AG’s office. “I think it’s fair to say there’s been a culture change over there and I don’t think it’s because welfare fraud is increasing.”

Attorney General William Schneider said the issue topped both his and Gov. Paul LePage’s agendas.

“Almost immediately after I took office in January, we started meeting with the people over at DHHS to try to forge the contacts and the connections that we needed to get the cases from them, where they’re investigated, to us, where they’re prosecuted,” Schneider said. “There seemed to have been a lack of enthusiasm for doing that kind of case in the past.”

Welfare fraud occurs in two primary ways: individuals who get overpayments of benefits by lying on various welfare applications, and individuals who sell or trade their public assistance benefits. The state is going after both.

But while recent figures might suggest that the new spotlight on welfare fraud has remedied the problem, consider two more numbers: The total amount of money believed to be overpaid last year by the Maine Department of Health and Human Services was nearly $4 million, yet agency officials recovered just over $2 million, roughly half the total. The figures involve all types of overpayments, including agency error and intentional and unintentional erroneous application information by recipients.

While the total value of all fraud against Maine’s welfare system isn’t known, a spokeswoman at the Maine Equal Justice Project said most welfare recipients are people who truly need the assistance and don’t abuse it. DHHS’s own figures show that the portion of intentional fraud deemed provable enough for prosecution involves a small fraction of total welfare recipients.

But DHHS officials acknowledge they’re only aware of the fraud they catch.

“We don’t obviously know all of the fraud that’s occurring,” said Dale Denno, a former assistant attorney general who was recently named director of the Office for Family Independence.

To detect more fraud, more troops are needed, officials say.

Last month, the agency’s Fraud Investigation and Recovery Unit told state lawmakers it is “stretched for resources to meet the current number of incidents” of welfare fraud and abuse being reported. The personnel shortage limits the unit’s ability to efficiently investigate reports of fraud and abuse and limits its ability to effectively collect debts owed to the state, according to a report by Maine’s DHHS commissioner.

The Fraud Investigation and Recovery Unit has nine investigators, two fewer than in the 1990s, a DHHS spokesman said.

At the Attorney General’s Office, veteran trial lawyer Black was hired away from a Portland law firm about two years ago to fill a dedicated role aimed at bringing to justice more of the criminals who abuse and defraud the welfare system.

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Most state welfare assistance comes in two basic forms:

• The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) — formerly food stamps, the benefit can only be redeemed for specific foods;

• Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and Additional Support for People in Retraining and Education (ASPIRE) — two living assistance programs whose benefits can be withdrawn as cash at an ATM or debited at store checkouts in exchange for any product.

In both cases, the benefits a recipient receives from the programs are loaded monthly on a credit card-like “electronic benefit transfer” (EBT) card.

A month ago, an Androscoggin County grand jury handed up five indictments against four Lewiston men and a Waterford woman. They were charged with theft and other crimes stemming from an EBT card trafficking ring, according to court records. Two weeks later, four more people were charged in 8th District Court in Lewiston in connection with that ring.

Authorities say the defendants were trading EBT cards for cash and drugs. These cases marked a new push by the state to cast a broader net for welfare cheats, beyond the more familiar fraudulent practice of lying on applications.

“These Lewiston cases are a product of (DHHS) and the Attorney General’s Office getting together and saying, ‘OK, from a policy standpoint, where should we focus our resources?’” Black said. “And one of the things that the state feels is a concern is the trafficking in benefit cards. There’s kind of an underground economy in trading these cards for cash and for other items.”

Lewiston police Chief Michael Bussiere said that during routine pat-downs his patrol officers started finding EBT cards stuffed in suspects’ pockets. In some cases, the suspects turned out to be drug dealers.

Local police started to work more closely with DHHS investigators and state prosecutors to gather evidence that could be used to successfully prosecute criminal cases.

Bussiere said his department started playing a greater role in welfare fraud investigations a couple of years ago and has roughly tripled the number of its welfare fraud cases on its books. That spike coincided with the economy hitting bottom, he said. The General Assistance office at City Hall was flagging many more cases of possible fraud and abuse and passing along tips, he said. Many tips are generated by legitimate benefits recipients ratting out friends or family members who are cheating the system.

“We’ve done a lot more cases because we’re getting a lot more tips and information that’s being brought in, and that’s fine,” Bussiere said. “We don’t mind doing that. We don’t mind helping out. Our concern is not just that people are stealing from the government, but that people are stealing taxpayer money and they’re taking it away from people who really need it.”

Diversion of money earmarked for welfare benefits also hurts the community in other ways, he said.

Not only do some people withdraw cash benefits loaded on their cards from TANF or ASPIRE to buy contraband, including illicit drugs, but drug dealers themselves might be collecting benefits because they have no declarable income, Bussiere said.

“If drug dealers can come up here and set up shop and not have to worry about daily costs because they’re receiving [welfare] benefits on top of that, that’s another issue altogether,” he said. “If that’s not fueling somebody’s drug habit, that’s making money off of other people’s problems, while also doing it for free.”

•••

Maine’s battle against welfare fraud includes more training and a change in agency culture that is sending a new message that fraud will not be tolerated, officials say.

Local police bring to their job investigative experience and training needed to build criminal cases against welfare cheats, Black said, but their counterparts at DHHS have traditionally lacked similar credentials.

No more.

Faculty from the Maine Criminal Justice Academy are providing greater training to DHHS investigators. Much of the curriculum in a recently launched program is a condensed version of what cadets at the academy would learn. Also, detectives at the Attorney General’s Office have been meeting with DHHS investigators.

Also changing: a bureaucratic mentality that fraud isn’t worth pursuing.

If referrals of “fishy answers” on applications that are forwarded to investigators appear to go nowhere, those frontline DHHS workers will be less inclined to take action when a red flag pops up on an application, said Assistant AG Robbin. “The culture within the agency tells the worker not to bother,” she said. “They may look the other way.”

But, Robbin said, “if you’ve got an agency that’s saying, ‘We don’t want a single dollar to go out the door for fraud. We’re going to give you support, we’re going to try to get you support to be able to investigate’” that fishy answer, she said, the eligibility worker will be more motivated to blow the whistle. That’s part of the current culture change.

A case involving an Andover woman who was forging letters from a school where she claimed to have been a student showed an obvious misspelling that wasn’t immediately flagged. That misspelling should have tipped off the eligibility caseworker to the likelihood of forgery, Robbin said. Instead, the DHHS worker accepted the letter at face value and filed it. The deceit was only spotted later.

Robbin acknowledged that one challenge to spotting and reporting such deceit is the “very high” load handled by caseworkers. “It’s hard for them to go beyond checking the boxes and the application and making sure that every section’s been gone through.”

Robbin added, “They’re so time-pressed, they’re saying, ‘We’ve got the employer verification — check’ and then they just move on. Maybe the manager’s saying, ‘Move it through. Move it through. Get out the benefits.’”

But if a piece of information causes a caseworker to do a double take, that worker should give it greater scrutiny, she said.

“If you’ve got something that bothers you, that concerns you, we should look into that further before shoveling the money out the door.”

•••

Most overpayments are handled by DHHS working with clients to recover the extra money paid to them. If a client lied on an application, that case might be referred to the Attorney General’s Office for criminal prosecution.

“We’ve charged everything that they’ve sent over,” Black said.

Prosecutions are not cheap, but Robbin said her agency is guided by no minimum threshold to bring a case to court.

“The collection part of this job is probably not going to make up for the costs of someone investigating fraud,” she said.

Prosecutors pursue the “most egregious” cases, she said. They also highlight cases intended to deter copycats.

Case in point — A DHHS clerical worker secretly held onto returned EBT cards and withdrew money from their accounts. It was difficult to show exactly how much the worker stole, Robbin said, recalling the figure of $138.

“Obviously, you go after that one,” she said, “mainly because you’ve got to send a message to staff: ‘No!’”

She also recounted the case of two men who bought hundreds of dollars worth of water with SNAP benefits at a supermarket, then wheeled the shopping carts loaded with the jugs around the back of the store and emptied them so they could collect the deposit money on the jugs to buy booze and cigarettes, Robbin said.

“So that would fall under the definition of trafficking,” Black said. “That would be something we would prosecute, [though] not a big-dollar item.”

“It’s not a dollars-and-cents question,” Attorney General Schneider said. “I know we’ve increased our restitution collected. We’ve increased the number of cases we’ve brought and we’ve increased the dollar value of those cases. So we’re increasing all three of those values. I honestly don’t know whether that dollar for dollar offsets the cost of doing the prosecutions, but it’s important to do the prosecutions, anyway, just to keep the system credible.”

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  1. I hope someone will take the time to calculate whether it costs more to prosecute these cases than it would to just write them off. Or maybe it doesn’t matter to people. The satisfaction of nailing one low life is enough to justify spending millions of taxpayer dollars, I suppose.

    1. Nice attitude. Maybe we should just shutter all the courts and lay off all the police while we’re at it…

    2. Allowing crimes to happen would make conspirators of those sworn to prosecute crime. The article said $4 million dollars was “overpaid” last year and $2 million of it was recovered. That sounds like prosecuting these cases is paying off.

    3. That would be fine if it was JUST ONE lowlife. But it’s not. This problem has gotten way out of control. You may not mind your tax $$ going to deadbeats that are there to “work” the system, trying to get more than they deserve and then expecting the benefit to last forever, but I do mind. This needs to be stopped.

    4. I would rather spend a little more of my hard-earned money prosecuting thieves than to let the thieves get away with stealing my money!

    5. Yup.. out of respect for the ones working for this money we owe it to them no matter what the costs..  we  owe it out of respect for taking their money and giving it to any person that is cheating..no matter WHAT the cost.. because one will lead to many .. 

  2. No need to worry the destroyacrats will come up with some other smoke and mirrors program to cover these poor people that get caught. Must be some workers out there the dems can steal money from to equal the income betwen workers and non workers. Like the great divider says layabouts and poducers need to have equal incomes.

    1. Hmmm meanwhile the repukes want to give tax breaks to the wealthy  making it tougher for the less fortunate…sounds like a recipe for disaster…encouragement for the less fortunate to do wrong simply because there is a NEED…caused by REPUKES. DEMocracy is the ONLY way.

      1. LMAO.. Typical .. You are saying … that its the republicans fault that there are people cheating?…OMG that is the FUNNIEST thing I think I have ever read.. LOL.. Your a joke.. Very creative!!!  But look out mailboxers!!! Be sure your not cheating.. and if you are blame it on the republicans!!!

          1. I dont care about he said, she said  or rhetoric… You cant blame the republicans for  welfare fraud.. I have been around long enough to know  that any liberal or democrat can and will blame anything and everything on the republicans.. Its always there fault while they shovel money out by the wheel barrow load.. You can sell it but I aint buying it

          2. I didn’t realize that it was only democrats who have been in office.  I thought there were republicans there all along.  Why weren’t they watching?

          3. according to the liberals they do not exist.. Chasing ghosts Ive been told.. There is no welfare fraud in  Maine

          1. Yes Im sure its fault.. You know for being out of office for this long… he is still getting the blame!! But what the heck lets put this on him as well!

      2. Statistics and research clearly show that my old party is now the party of the rich and the entitlement class, while the Republican Party has become more and more working class and middle class.
        I mean, what century are you living in??

      3. Yup! bush did it and steal money from producers.The dems campaign rhetoric. Make everyone poor vote democrat.

  3. Go get em. ALL fraud/lying for government services as well as in government itself should be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

    1.  Plenty of cheats with EBT cards and SNAP. Good luck getting more enforcement when King Obama is handing out more welfare to his voters as payment for services rendered.

      1. I think its the friends and neighbors that ignore it that cause it to be so difficult to enforce.  If you live in the county you know at least one person collecting unemployment and working off the books or someone collecting another check they shouldn’t.  When we all are willing to turn in the cheaters we know we could easily rid ourselves of the problem.  Just most of us don’t want to be a tattle-tale.

        1. Fraud is fraud. But unemployment is paid for by the worker… If he has worked all year and is forced to unemployment against his and as always the benefits do not come to nearly what he was making and he is forced to take an odd job to make ends meet .. well that may be a different story..Im not saying its ok.. Im saying sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.. He paid in.. its a long winter .. He is willing to work but the work isnt there.. I may turn a blind eye to that because I have been there

          1. Hey. Im not against the occupy movement at all. I feel they have strong points and are at least committed to their beliefs. I may not agree with being against big cooperations and using their Ipods and Facebook to coordinate their gatherings.  When it comes to people trying to work no matter if they are liberal or not I would not impede them. Im not by any means a tattle. I do not tattle on what I would suspect as welfare fraud either. Because honestly no one can know their business and Im not a policeman. All I know is I see abuse  even when some of what I see isnt seen by the people abusing. Im not sure they even think of it. Example: A family has 5 kids in the household the mom is not working. She has decided to be a “stay at home mom” All the while they are receiving benefits , such as maine care. Food stamps wick.  She stays at home because if she went to work they would not qualify for benefits. Ok. One kid is acceptable 2 is pushing. 3 4 and 5 is I think over the line. The dad is the only one working. Then I see they just went out and bought a brand new truck. The truck costs 42000 dollars. I think the benefits for the kids are boarder line.. WHo is paying for the truck tho? Is that fraud?. 

          2. Fair enough and I know a family like that as well.I completely believe that you have 1-2 kids and you need help you should get it.Then the gravy train stops.And WIC is a huge scam.I see $4.39 bread at Hannaford with a tag saying WIC approved.So is the 2/$3 bread
            with no tag.These families with dozens of kids are making a fortune.Single/childless taxpayers and working people really get screwed.
            I’m thrilled to see fraud of any type prosecuted whether it’s the dumping out of water up to and beyond Nutting.Let’s not forget the landlords,etc who are in on the scam.That needs to be addressed too.
            Thanks for 2 good responses.Have a great day!

          3. who do you think the employer gets this money from.  the worker.  pay them less so you can cover the unemployment tax.  there is no such thing as a ‘free’ lunch

          4. Not so. Nothing is taken out of the worker for unemployment. The employer pays it all , the more workers that draw, the higher rate you pay.

          5. That’s true the unemployment tax is part of the employers overhead which the cutomer pays and yes the more people you lay off for extended periods your rates go up

        2. We should absolutely turn in our neighbors. We should set up cameras to catch them on tape. Then we could claim to actually be like soviet Russia. NOT
          You people are sick.
          If I caught someone spying on me I would show them how much I support my 2nd amendment rights.

          1. If you spy on anyone without the legal authority to do so you are violating their right to privacy. Your attitude is that of the soviet era KGB and the East German Stasi. What do you plan to do, peak through their window at night? Go ahead. I hope your neighbors also believe in the second amendment.

          2. I dont care and do not want to spy on anyone. Spying dosnt pertain to this situation. I dont believe that even if you are committing fraud that it warrants any kind of spying. Im to busy working to worry about yours or anyone elses habits. But there are simple ways to find out if whomever is guilty of fraud. I stand beside my belief that if you are on the welfare system then very simply you shouldnt  be taking any drug, legal or otherwise. The use of said drug is being paid for by those who work everyday and its disrespectful to them to satisfying someones habits with the money they are turning over to the system. While the same people are making sacrifices of their own.

          3. Does you’re “you shouldn’t be taking any drug, legal or otherwise” include PRESCRIPTION medication that your doctor gives you for a psychological or physical condition and is being paid for by MaineCare? Does your view mean people who are receiving MaineCare because of a disability caused by PTSD, depression and/or anxiety and are taking prescription medication to treat their systems shouldn’t be receiving MaineCare BECAUSE they’re on anti-depressants? Does your view mean that ONLY people who are NOT on some kind of prescription med be the ONLY ones allowed to receive help from the state???? 

          4. Cigarrettes Alcohol and any illegal drugs. Sorry about the confusion. I automatically assumed that Rx drugs would not be considered. Out of common sense .

          5. But LePage wants to cut RX for the elderly(DEL program)for the second straight year.That will benefit nobody and will cause costs to jump.

    2. · This Liberal agrees. Go get ’em. These people are the lowest of the low and need to have the book thrown at them.

      I’ve supported these welfare programs with my votes and tax dollars over the years; but not so these low-lifes can scam the system. They give good programs a bad name, casting suspicion on those truly in need. They take money that could be used to increase benefits that are often inadequate.

      If you suspect a person of welfare fraud, you should turn the name and address over to the professionals who know what to do about it, pronto. You don’t have to give your name. You can do it anonymously.

      Let’s make it so everyone can agree that these very good programs help only those who really need it.

      1. My God I just about choked on my milk and cookies…….keep moving towards the light, JW! You’re getting there.

      2. If you turn then in using the maine website you have to enter your name and phone number , plus if you call the anonymous tip line , they know who you are also. They have a computer that will even unblock your blocked number. I still believe they should be turned in just saying with law enforcement and state agencies there is no such thing as anonymous !

  4. Congratultions on the ones allready caught. Good job. My thought would be to replace the workers that have dolled out the welfare for so long and put new people in that don’t work with a shut eye.Every person accepted needs to be drug and alchol tested regulary, Like I do for my CDL. The recipients also need unannounced home visits in the evening. Just a few ideas.

    1. Yep. And a computer check of the marriage records might reveal names of people who shouldn’t receive benefits if they’re married.

      1.  Speaking of checking – how about giving an not experienced employee a job and pay that person $40,000. where a person with the same lack of experience would only be paid like $24,500.00. Does something smell here:)

      2. Families can qualify for benefits, you can be an intact family with children and qualify based on income for services, being married does not mean you don’t qualify.

        1. The conservatives are so busy promoting marriage that they hate single mothers even as they force them to have kids they can’t afford.All of us pay for that.

          1. I am pretty sure nobody is forcing them to have kids, if you remember from health class it takes intercourse to make a child.  So unless there is a whole lot of unreported republican rapes going on, your point is invalid.  Lets not forget that abortion is legal and has not been challenged since 1973.  

            Conservatives promoting marriage!  How awful, it is a terrible thing really.  How dare they encourage family values and love in our country.  Damn them.  Do you read what you write?

          2.  If single girls DO insist on having kids on welfare, I think the state should insist on DNA testing to establish who Daddy is. Then we go after Daddy for child support. If mom doesn’t cooperate, she can accept a reduced rate of support. We need to get a handle on this.

          3. Happens that way now and has been for quite a few years.  But there is one mother of a backlog in the DHHS Support Enforcement cases . . . 

          4. “Abortion has not been challenged since 1973″Really?The clinic bombings,thousands of acts of violence by anti choicers up to and including murder(Salvi/Roeder,et al)and and restrictive laws?What planet are you on?

          5. That is why I’m supporting EQ.Marriage for all.there are a lot of single parents/gay couples out there who make great parents.And a lot of hetero couples who should never breed.

          6. I couldn’t agree more, the government should not be able to control our social lives if it doesn’t physically hurt anyone else.

          7.  The best birth control method is an aspirin. Held firmly between the knees. I don’t hate single moms, I just want them to wait to have kids until THEY can pay for them. I’m tired of paying for mine and theirs. Just call me greedy.

          8. Contraception and abortion fixes people’s mistakes.People are stupid/drunk/thoughtless
            and I’m as sick of paying for them as you are.My neighbor has five kids and there isn’t a book in that house but plenty of TV’s /Xbox,etc.

          9. This to me is fraud. If you are  going to stay home. We will pay. But all we are doing is bringing up another generation on welfare. What you said about the books/xbox is a crime. At the least educate your kids so they do not follow the same way of life. One kid for a single welfare mom is one kid, two should be paid attention too. Three is over the line four shouldnt be our problem and 5 should be illegal. Im sorry. My wife and I wanted to have 3 or 4 kids. I kept telling here we had to wit till we could afford all that is needed to raise children. We only had one because after that one she couldnt have anymore. Its called family planning. Its called standing up and taking care of your own. People no longer think this way. Kids first and then disappearing daddys. Like rats escaping a burning building. Then the people left holding the bag are the hard workers of Maine. Im sorry you give up a bunch of rights when you cant think clearly enough to be in control of your life. Its terrible that things has to come to this. We are here and now we have to deal with it and tougher decisions awaits .

        2. one of the “fraud” scenario’s described was when someone would say they are single when they are married, and in this instance the husband/wife’s income would put them over the limit to get benefits.  

    2.  Just a note to you Retiree… Alcohol is not illegal. Over 21, you can
      drink as much as you want. Not all people receiving benefits drink and
      not all people receiving benefits that drink, use their state funds to
      buy alcohol nor do they drink on a regular basis. Other people could
      supply it to them.  Why would someone get penalized for doing something
      that’s legal? Illegal drugs on the other hand, yes. I agree. However,
      how many people does Mainecare pay for to go to Methadone clinics and
      continue receiving a free high and drugs??  Perhaps the system should
      take a look at how they are enabling these people to commit fraud and
      wasting tax dollars in other places as well???

      1. It’s people like you that make it easy for the Gov’t to take away everyone’s rights. Congratulations on your extreme stupidity !

        1. Let me go a little more in depth. Without ONCE calling you a single name.

            I have worked in social services and I have unfortunately been in a position of needing assistance as well.

           The fact is that there are many people receiving assistance that are using DRUGS RECREATION ALLY. Do you find this to be acceptable? Do you feel theses people are living up to their potential??? I don’t.

           When I say drug testing should be mandatory for those receiving assistance  it’s not about catching people. It’s about identifying who may potentially be having trouble with addiction. If someone is identified you direct them to the appropriate help.   NO ONE should be just kicked off. From this point the individual would be monitored and a decision  made monthly. I don’t find this to be one iota unreasonable..

           Trust me, i’m more of a bleeding heart then you could even imagine but I”M NOT STUPID.

           We’ve seen how well no consequences works. Some of these people see no light. All they know is a meager existence . They need to know they can have more.

           Care to explain INDEPTH exactly why  the need for names?

           I don’t have esoteric pie in the sky sollutions. SORRY,  those don’t appear to be working, We need to proactively seek out addicts. They don’t come forward on their own until it’s to late. We can help a lot more people if we take the blinders off.

           Some out there have the wacky notion that all drugs should be legal, let the addict’s kill them selves off.. What you don’t seem to grasp is that addiction doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Drugs still wouldn’t be free so what would change? Families and friends would still be torn apart. Addicts would still be committing crimes for DRUG MONEY The point is, the addicts affects MANY PEOPLE not just themselves.

        2. I have a suggestion. Be sure the responsibility of your actions do not fall on the backs of others. Then you would’nt have to worry about your rights so much. Plan. Strive, succeed . Then all of your worries will disappear like most of the fathers of these kids we are paying for.

        1. Double Bullpuckey. Enabling people in the name of freedom is not improving their lives.

          If we really want to help people we have to know where they stand. How  can  improve the odds of them doing better AND improving the lives of their children if someone abusing drugs isn’t willing to acknowledge they may have a problem? We let them languish until they find a minimum wage job for awhile and go through the cycle again.?Does this make any sense? How are we helping people?? 

           IF you have lived in this world then i’ll listen, I have. If not why not think about what i’m saying.

            The one area  that deserves more money But no one trust the government to use it wisely.  At this point I don’t. If your asking for help I don’t believe it’s unreasonable to expect  you to put forth an honest effort. ANYONE USING recreational drugs and asking for assistance is definitely not putting forth an honest effort.

        1. Actually it’s paraphrasing FDR, who said, when asked why he appointed Joseph Kennedy to head up the new S.E.C., “It takes a thief to catch a thief”.

    3.  Are you for real ? Unannounced home visits ? Drug testing ? The only thing a drug test shows is if you’ve smoked Marijuana, which is LEGAL for medicinal purposes in Maine….all of the synthetic drugs wash out of the system too quickly to catch. Do you know how expensive drug testing is ? I’m assuming you do not. As for home visits…lol…that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Not only is that a violation of people’s rights, which btw even the poor have, but it is dangerous. Anyone coming onto my property “unannounced” in the evening better be heavily armed, because it is also my right in Maine to shoot an intruder, which in today’s environment I would not hesitate to do. Nevermind any of that though…the cost of these 2 ideas would be quite a bit more than the benefits being paid out and as a homeowner/landowner I don’t need any new taxes. My guess is that because of that CDL shakedown you get regularly you have a chip on your shoulder and want everyone else to be monitored as you are. When CDL came out I quit driving truck for that very reason. I will not work for anyone who wants to violate my 5th ammendment rights by testing my bodily fluid. Furthermore if I am going to be made to submit to 24 hr surveillance I expect to be paid for those same 24 hrs. What I do on my PRIVATE time is my business ! Just because you were too afraid to stand up for your rights don’t impose your misery on others.

        1. Do you ? What are your rights worth to you ? If there were more people like Retiree up there in this country we would all be wearing ankle irons and working the salt mines for a cup of rice per day. I haven’t even got rolling yet my friend : )  Keep in mind that jobs are not ensured and can go away at ANY time. I am assuming all of you that condemn the poor will not ever seek help if the food runs out and you will all have your names submitted to DHHS verifying that fact for future reference…correct ?

          1. I’d be very surprised to find out that you have never taken more than your share of anything, in your whole life, illegalsout. People have such short and selective memories.

          2.  Try to focus on how we are going to help the people who NEED help. Catching the fraudsters is a step in that direction.

          3. Most people who plan things in their life also plan for a gap in their work. Most people I know save money and are prepared for such situations. Every single thing in my life I have planned and worked for. From getting married buying my house or when we thought we could afford to have our children. We were taught this as we were growing up. Welfare was never an option for me. You worked and lived within your means You made sacrifices along the way. REAL sacrifices . That way of thinking no longer exists.  There is no excuse for fraud or even living well off other peoples work ethic. There is nothing you  or anyone else that can say that will justify it. 

          4. Loss of a job today is so common all over the country, that no amount of planning and saving will protect you. When 1000 jobs here and 500 jobs there etc. etc. are gone and you are one of these that lost your job, savings go quickly. Anyone that plans to work their whole lifetime at one company and retire from there is a lost cause today. Welfare, food stamps even collecting  unemployment is something no one would think of applying for back in the day, unless they were starving to death. Today in this recession these things are all very common. I do agree with you that fraud should not be accepted and should be dealt with accordingly.

          5. My rights!!!!!!!My rights!!!!!!! My rights!!!!!

            What about your responsibilities? Your responsibilities to be a productive member of this society.

          6. Dude, you’re out of control, Relax, take a DEEEEP breath, and get a grip…. Who said anything about ankle irons, cups of rice, and condemning the poor?
            Oh you meant the the right to abuse and steal from the programs because one is on drugs or the denial of the right to privacy by insuring  that the ones getting the free benefits pee in a cup to prevent fraud of the “System” they have been on for years.
            The only “Poor” that are being “condemned” on here are the ones who are committing fraud or abusing the system. But of coarse there’s no such thing as welfare fraud is there?
            You might want to take the time to read real slow the Entire article again especially where it talks about “Maine officials are stepping up efforts aimed at catching and convicting anyone who steals welfare money.”

          7. Easy now: you need to wipe the spittle off your screen!:) I simply believe in accountability. There should be no free lunch: it sends the wrong message! No one is asking the poor to pay the money back, no one is asking for the truly needy to have their benefits cut off. As a taxpayer, I simply think there should be more systems in place to prevent fraud. Is drug testing worth it? I don’t know, probably not, but it should be on the table.

            A better plan is to have EBT card only issue funds for approved items. My card for my pretax flex spending account only works for certain items, so the technology exists. Cash from an ATM? That’s asking for abuse.

          8.  We’re not against the poor; we’re against the CHEATS. It is a simple concept. Why do you insist on always dragging that particular red herring across the path under discussion?

      1. You don’t HAVE to agree to take the benefits. Unannounced drug tests could just be part of the contract…

        1.  I don’t get benefits…but my taxes do pay for them. Until this new poor excuse of a Governor took office I never worried about where that tax money went. Drug tests are way too expensive and would cost more than the benefits themselves. Once LePage is recalled I’m sure the class war will end and this will not be an issue. Welfare benefits are not the cause of the State’s problems….State employee salaries and pensions are the REAL problem.

          1. Drug tests are about equal to one months benefits of food stamps , small price to pay for continued monthly abuse of them !

          2. Drug tests for what? An individual? Every participant? And what about those that initially pass? Subsequent drugs tests will need to be payed for as well right?

          3. I have a problem with that estimate. Does that include cost of the several hours of work that a person loses going to the testing center? Does it include the cost of the several hours of work that an employer has to pay that person’s temporary replacement? The cost of gas for travel? I would say the figure is at least 5 times, maybe 10 times what you say it is.

          4.  You are making the assumption that everybody is working. Even if people ARE working, I would say that this is the price of admission, as it were. They want the money, they will find it convenient to comply.

          5. They could do it like probation does. Call you in the middle of the night and tell you to come pee in a cup. Then it doesn’t cost the employer anything.

          6. Drug tests are NOT expensive; especially in quantity. It took me less that 10 seconds to Google that, and I found that it is possible to buy so-called “10 panel drug test kits” for as little as $7.95, for quantities over 100 each. As a huge quantity buyer, I’ll bet the state of Maine can do way better than that! The tests are so cheap that I think we can’t afford to NOT use them. These would identify people using THC
            (MARIJUANA) • COCAINE • PCP • OPIATES • METHAMPHETAMINES • METHADONE • AMPHETAMINES • BARBITURATES •BENZODIAZEPINES•
            Tricyclic
            Antidepressants.

          1. Fine, then those who need should have no problem with the deal. Small price to pay. If they don’t like the terms, they don’t have to take the money.

          2. I don’t remember Jesus telling the poor that they would have to pass a drug test before they’d be eligible for help.

          3. You’re more than welcome to give your own money without strings attached. That is called charity. Government assistance has never been charity, but I can tell you see it that way. That’s part of the problem…

      2. As an investor in our social services system, I do want to see how my money is being spent.  I work very hard for my money and the money I pay in taxes and I SHOULD have the RIGHT to know where my money is being put to use.  If you are living off state funds, you are living off your neighbors dollar.  Have you ever borrowed money from a bank for an investment?  You have to prove where you are going to spend it, why you need it, and prove that you are making a responsible decision.  Then a board of directors choose to either make the investment or not.  Say you get the money, until you pay the note off, the banks demand in depth financial documents yearly, sometimes monthly or quarterly to determine if you are being responsible enough with their money.  If yes, life is good.  If no, you have a set time to find the funds to pay it back, or you lose everything.  It’s the real world.   This should be the same for social services, you are either a wise investment or not.  Black and white, plain and simple.  

      3.  Drug testing may not be cheap, but it would be cheaper than paying benefits to those who are going to convert them into products to be injected, smoked, snorted, or guzzled. Think how many taxpayers dollars are pissed away by druggies and drunks. I see no need to subsidize those pastimes. If we make receiving benefits contingent on “staying clean”, we will easily pay for the drug tests out of the savings, and still have more money to disburse to those who NEED it. Supporting a habit? buy your own dope.

    4.  “unannounced home visits” No, – nor do they need to be drug tested. That would cost more. It would not help reduce costs. You need to pay people to do the check ins and the drug tests. Drug testing is especially not cheap. It can also have false positives and anyone with a brain can get around them by buying pure urine samples.

      1. The Rick Scott welfare drug testing has been a massive failure by their own numbers.What I would love to see which nobody seems to care about is having druggies pay the real amounts for their crimes.Recently there was a bath salts freak who caused huge damage to an ER.Keep him off any public assistance until every nickel is paid back.If he/she can buy dope they can pay restitution instead of a measly $500 fine and a public defender.

  5. I wrote my first letter to Olympia Snowe about this 30 years ago; glad someone’s finally getting around to looking into this . . .

  6.  umm… “two fewer investigators than in the 90s”  How is this someone finally getting around to looking into this?  Its LESS looking into that there was. 

    Don’t you understand that you only know what the media chooses to tell you?  If you assume it is all there IS to know then you are in a sad state indeed.

  7. Any time law enforcement or any other agency can prevent welfare fraud I’m all for it.  I would hate to see one person or family go without welfare benefits  that  is needed.  To whoever is responsible for seeing this through, way to go.  Thank you.

    1. Nice job. Now if only the governor could see his way clear to recognize this is the real problem, and leave the needy and sick alone, the state would make some real accomplishments here.  Problem is that if it works LePage will take the credit, and some will believe him, when his solution all along is to throw out everyone.

      1. I have yet to see ANYONE trying to deny people who DESERVE it and NEED it.  But you put your spin on it, don’t let the facts bother you…

        Much like SpruceDweller.  He gets irritated, almost offended when you talk about weeding out the fraud and cheats.  It’s obvious who butters his bread.

        1. I said weeding out fraud and cheats was good, and was one of the real DHHS problems. I didn’t put a spin on it. Other than disliking LePage, I have no horse in this race. I think you’re dazed and confused. Don’t know SpruceDweller, but I butter my own bread. Amazes me how up in arms LePage supporters get. He has stated publicly he will close nursing homes, and kick off all childless adults. Those people don’t DESERVE and NEED? I’m sure some don’t, but also sure some do. Take your battle elsewhere, you like him, I don’t, and I doubt either one of us will change or is putting a “spin” on anything. Man you LePage supporters are manic.

          1. Suggesting old and needy people are going to be thrown into the streets isn’t spin?  Talk about dazed and confused. 

            It amazes me how up in arms you LePage haters get.  Man, you LePage haters are manic…right back at you.

          2. Hey, it was LePages statement that he would close nursing homes, not mine. I’m not spinning, but you’re ducking and weaving. BTW, I don’t hate him, I hate how he has bullied the state and divided us against each other. Like this discussion we’re having. So, this is my last post to you (at least on this thread), so if you respond you get the last word.

          3. …because this state was SO united under Baldacci…. wow.. laughing so hard right now I can barely type…

          4. I didn’t like Baldacci either. He “balanced” his budget by not paying the States bills for several months, so I guess we don’t even disagree there. Someone who gets the job done in a humane, honest manner would be nice wouldn’t it? Guess that won’t happen. Apparently it’s the Dems. vs. the Repubs. ’til death.

          1. NO we aren’t all on the same leaky boat.  Some of us are paying to have the water pumped out of the bilge and others are trying to pile more people into the boat.
            Assuming the boat like any other can float with only so much weight, adding more people to what we the tax payers can bear is  only threatening the lives of all of us.
            As for the what spin question, please don’t pretend you don’t notice that commercials for your side only focus on the old and crippled.  Why don’t your commercials ever show the methodone addicts getting free cab rides to get their free drugs?

      1.  The LePage administration is only continuing the stepped up enforcement that began several years ago (BEFORE he was elected). Note that “”Then-Attorney General Janet Mills made the issue a priority, he said. ” What did LePage do…..fire her to put his own crony in the position. Yes, welfare fraud need to be curbed, but LePage isn’t the great instigator, despite his bluster to the contrary. I don’t think it constitutes a reason to even think about re-electing him.

  8. These poeople are not only low life thieves, they are hurting the people that actually need assistance.

  9. As a tax payer, I’m glad to hear there is more accountability required from those who benefit from my taxable income. This is one thing the Republicans are doing that gets my approval.

  10.  No one is blaming the financial problems on fraud… but it is fraud after all and I find it interesting that someone who gets their income from the public sector, such as yourself, has no problem with defrauding the government.

    1.  Actually, I do have a problem with people defrauding the government.  I also have a problem with government defrauding people, which is closer to the truth in this particular case.

      When this witch hunt is over, do you suppose the State will provide us with a total amount of fraud they stopped, and the total cost of finding and stopping it?  I doubt it.

      1. I’m just curious: how does it feel to be an apologist for welfare fraud? Is there a sense of moral superiority?
        Just wondering.

  11. No need to find blame. the destroyacrats unfunded programs got us here.Dems should pay the court fees for legislating these people into this mess. AH! the mural,union propoganda.Maybe we should waste more tax money by over paying some lefty to compile Maines dark side of labor. Wonder why those union whiners did not just build another billboard.Oh right someone else has to pay the bills!

    1.  They cannot do another mural because the LePage administration uses the unemployment money for unemployment – it was Baldacci that took those funds and had the mural painted. 

      1. The mural was financed by a grant from the US government specifically for art, not from unemployment funds. You are repeating one of many often told lies from the right wing nuts. Just look it up before you post and you won’t look like a republican toady.

        1.  The U.S. Government cannot “grant” anything to YOU until after it has taken the money away from ME. Government money is OUR money.

          1. So what. What is your point? Do you think you can tell the US government where and how to spend that money? Then go ,run right down to the Treasury Department now and tell them. If you succeed thousands if not millions of people will be right behind you to stop the murder of millions of innocent civilians in foreign countries.
            See how absurd your statement is? Probably not.
            That money was specifically given to the State Of Maine to buy art. It was not given for the unemployment fund. It would not have contributed one cent to the unemployment funds. It was not given to buy an “Open for Business” sign, or to hire the Governor’s daughter at $40,000/year.

    2. There needs to be a tax on Christian conservatives for all the women who were forced to have kids b/c they couldn’t get reproductive services.Every woman who has an abortion saves the taxpayers money and is a heroine.Their abortion should be taxpayer funded always.

      1. GP Band thinks tat Every woman that has an abortion saves the taspayers money and is a heroine?????  are you for real?  I think that people that have children should have to pay to raise them.  I know that seems to be a foreign concept for you, but your statement is ridiculous.  I know a lot of  Christian conservatives and I don’t know any of them who forced women to have children.  Give me a break!

      2. Ideas like this are why the world has so many problems these days.  No care for God, thinking in human (or is it inhuman?) terms only.  Let people be responsible for their own children.  Every child conceived is a soul with the potential to glorify God for all eternity, which is what he wants from us.  He claims that he is a jealous God.  We need to give him what he is due, since he gave us the gift of life, and he promises us happiness for eternity which is far greater than what we can know on earth, if we merely obey his commandments.

      3. Maybe these women should have kept their pants on and their legs together and they we wouldn’t have the problem in the first place.

  12. Here’s a tip – there is a guy claiming Woodlot Management tax-exempt credit for property inside the Shoreland Zoning tree cutting (LURC) area. Pretty obvious this is bogus. Should be a priority, right?

    1. {Attorney General William Schneider said the issue topped both his and Gov. Paul LePage’s agendas.}

      They want to go after the Polquin but that would be Class Warfare!

    2. Not that what the State Treasurer is doing in regards to his personal property is anymore right than welfare fraud, but what does it have to do with this article? It appears that it is only an attempt on your part to deflect attention from this issue.

        1. As I asked above, What does Polquin’s land situation have to do with this article about welfare fraud? It is a lame attempt to divert attention from the facts of this article.

          1. I hope they catch tons of fraud BUT it needs to be both top and bottom.If Poliquin,Violette and Nutting get away with $Millions,what message does that send?I want to see all of them in the dock along with the food stamp/Section 8 scammers -and let’s not forget the landlords and Medicare providers.Fair’s fair.

          2. I agree. Any type of fraud or theft of public monies no matter where derived should be pursued and prosecuted.

  13. To deter, we must have a full payback and jail / prison time. Otherwise, the crime is worth the time and it keeps right on happening. Somehow, our judges and or state does not get this even with their own network of crooks. (state & federal employee’s )

  14. Where are all the bleeding hearts decrying the injustices being bestowed on these fine misunderstood folks.

  15. The commissioner of the Maine turnpike, Violette, evidently thought that fraud was part of the job, it came naturally, he had been taught well. Where did he get that idea?

     The commissioner of the Maine treasury, Poliquinn, thinks that his personal holdings are above the law, like it was part of the job to have immunity from all laws.  Where did he get that idea?

    The government is always teaching through their actions, that fraud is acceptable, and than pursue people, students and want to put them in jail when they emulate their teachers.  What is wrong with this picture.

     Reap what you sow, and don’t act surprised.

    1. “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.”

      — Thomas Jefferson

  16. A dozen? 

    Out of the tens of thousands that are on “welfare” – as defined by LePage?

    Is that all they can find?

    I bet they can find one more fraudster  –  the GOP  legislative leader  that owes the people of Maine more than a million bucks for overcharging MaineCare – if they try harder.

    But he gets a “Get of Jail Free” card on his way past Go.

    yessah

    1.  dozen is a good start.. after there is some rocks kicked over and a  just a LITTLE of looking a  closer  Ill bet there are a truck load of them.. They are easy not to see when your not looking for them… But a closer look.. well.. you may just see them. And thanks to Mr Lepage we  are now starting to look for them. I would be more than happy to direct them to a few myself.. The BEST part is that most of them do not make it to hard to spot because most brag about it. Maybe no more new cars while we buy the groceries.. Maybe  just maybe … just going to the mailbox on the first of the month isnt gonna be quite enough.. maybe.. there might be a few that actually have to go out and look for something to do.. 

          1. I’m guessing that if a person does not spend time getting his spelling and grammar right, then he  hasn’t spent time getting his facts right either.

        1. I wasnt aware I was being graded on my english.. I apologize .. I sometimes get overly emotional on certain subjects.. I may not think before I type… 

        2. Dude?   I would say your grammar stinks. 

          Could you possibly be a teacher?  After all, spelling is SO much more important than substance.

          1. It just shows to me that he/she is not a reader because he/she would have caught on to basic spelling, grammar and punctuation.  If he/she is not a reader, how informed can he/she be?  Not very would be my guess.  In fact, he/she was posting out of emotion and not substance as he/she stated his/herself (hahaha).  I would daresay there was very little substance to that post.

          2. You are making assumptions, generalizations, and inferences with no evidence to back them up other than your personal biases and prejudices.  Also classified as an ad hominem attack.

            I happen to have a son in law with an advanced engineering degree who reads voraciously.  But he can’t spell worth a darn.    He is a product of new age fad education that placed little if any importance on spelling.  Or grammar or punctuation for that matter.  His spelling is so bad I finally refused to play scrabble and some other word type games with him because it was so frustrating.. 

          3. I have to ask why was Davids comment taken down?.. It was not offensive. He did not swear.. Ill have to say this. Even if I disagree with someone Im NOT for removing any comment that is made as long as its within the rules. I remember Davids comment and it WAS within the “rules” .. Isnt this a newspaper?… Do we not have the right to free speech?.. Who is making these decisions and based on what?.. I for one would like to know what the reason was for taking down his comment… I cant believe a newspaper is censoring comments … I have had a few of mine taken down as well … I have been very careful not to swear or break the “rules”  SO anytime whomever is  doing this wants to give us an answer we are all ears.. Because I would just as soon cancel my subscription to this newspaper and  not be a party to the web site either. Would love an answer here… Im noticing MORE and MORE comments removed.. People who I agree with and more importantly people with whom I  DO NOT. I DO NOT want to see their side taken down NOR my side. We are having a public disagreement… I think its the point if having a comment section.. This is not good.. No good at all

  17. I would bet that this story will convince more cheats that they should drop their benefits before they get caught.

  18. DHHS workers catch  fraud all the time and their administration lets them go this has been going on for years so don’t let them fool ya!

  19. Now we are cooking with gas!!  Allllll I have heard on there is how this dosnt exist.. and it dosnt  matter that much even if it does.. Well its about G.D. time that we are seeing and hearing about it.. There is so much of this on all levels.. I see it  when I go to the store.. When the wick is used THEN the food stamp card .. Then the cash comes flying out for booze cigs dog food and sour patch kids..then they load it into their new car. I think we should eminate drug users from the system as well.. and that includes cigs and booze as well.. If you can buy that we dont need to buy the food.. I think we coudl save a lot of money ..  The only people that seem to making sacrifices int his tough time are the working people of Maine.. Because while they are foregoing the frills and extras the food stamp recipiants are eating lobster and smoking up a storm.. Lets get on this and keep on it.. We owe it to the working men to chase down each and everyone one of them.. Its disrespectful for this to do on while the only ones that are suffering the most are the working poor and middle class.. 

  20. I don’t know. After looking at the photograph, I believe Christopher S. Frazer HAS been pregnant for 40 months in a row.

     Approve.

  21. The first issue is STOP making it a career choice for so many.  If you have a child and you can’t work and support that child, then until he/she is school age, fine.  After that if you get pregnant again, knowing that you coulnd’t (or wouldn’t) support the first one, you shouldn’t be given benefits for more.  Stop encouraging this.  Once is a mistake, twice is stupidity on the part of the parent and the gov’t.  Stop making the benefits UNENDING.  Give a maximum time frame.  This was never meant to be a lifetime occupation.    I believe there is a person assigned to investigate fraud and monitor that type of behavior currently on staff and located in teh Caribou DHHS…but no one seems to recall ever seeing that person leave the building except for lunch and vacation.  How do you investigate people sitting at a desk all year??  Oh wait you don’t..

    1. I’m sorry but I don’t see having a child to be a reason not to work.  I went back to work when my children were 8 weeks old.  Except in the case of a child with medical issues I don’t think waiting until a child is “school age” is an acceptable excuse not to work.  If you truly want to break the cycle of welfare as a career choice then put the parents back to work.  Perhaps 12 weeks, the amount of time for FMLA, would be appropriate.  And if we the taxpayers have to assist with childcare, so be it.  It would be cheaper in the long run I suspect.

      1. You are so right!!!!!

        I think that these mothers should be required to go to work after the birth of a child.

        If the state trained some of those welfare mothers to be child care professionals, set them up with a daycare, and made it available to all the other welfare mothers who claim they can’t afford to pay for child care, or can’t find anyone “reliable”, they would have no excuse for not working.  They could pay on a sliding scale, and would be required to search for a job just like everyone else in the world

        Nowadays most women don’t have the option of staying home with their child until it reaches school age.  It should be no different for welfare moms.

        1. You need to research TANF guidelines — the parent must work a minimum of 30 hours per week — if they are not working then someone at DHHS is not doing their job — I do believe there is some relief from this requirement if they are attending school — which as long as they are going to better themselves through education than I have no problem with that — the better educated they are the better the job they can get thereby reducing the chance they will have to accept welfare in the future

          1. Thanks for the info and yes you’re correct.  But I bet there’s still a lot of them out there who have found loopholes to avoid that requirement.

          2. Do you know if the laws changed in the last 10-15  years?  I used to know someone who was able to stay home with her kids until the youngest was in the first grade.  She & her husband may have finessed the system or it may have been legit, just curious.

    2. We need to make it Workfare not Welfare. If you want a taxpayer funded lifestyle and you are able bodied than you need to work for the benefits that you receive.

  22. “These Maine welfare cheats are stealing public money. And they’re going to jail.”

    Sending them to jail isn’t exactly going to save any money!

    1. so you feel that breaking the law shouldnt have and consequences ?.. Just let em go?  No punishment?..You do not feel that the working classes tax dollars is worth protecting?.. and thats its ok to commit fraud?… Well.. lets just open up the jails and let them run wild.. that will certainly save us some dollars right?

      1. I’d like it if the banksters who stole trillions of dollars from US taxpayers were in jail.  That would make me feel much better.  

        1. They are all at the B. Hussein O. reelection fundraisers. Nice, neat and tidy and all in one place for the roundup. Just go and get em.

      2.  Never said that breaking the law should not have consequences.  Just think it would be ironic if clamping down on the welfare fraud ends up costing the state more money — since the stated reason for doing it is to save money. 

        A combination of community service, job training, and fines would probably be a better solution than jail time.

        1. Do you honestly think that welfare cheats will just keep on doing it if they KNOW that there is now a decent chance of going to PRISON if they are caught??
          Blinkered by your ideology, you are.

    2. Just like drug testing them all isn’t. Have you seen the stats from Florida’s drug testing. Cost $178 million to save $60,000. Now that’s cost savings for you. LePage is on nothing but a witch hunt. He has found yet another solution and he’s looking for a problem. I know there is some fraud, but it’s in no way aas rampant as many of these people believe. Of course, the increase in usage has absolutely  nothing to do with the fact that there are no living wage jobs to be had. The LePage lovers tend to forget that.

      It’s also interesting that they all know several people cheating the  system. Maybe they need to get a life and not worry about what their neighbor is doing.

      1. No matter what the cost is. I think we owe it to the Maine workforce. I would have to see these statistics as well. I would bet a buck or two that that it would save Maine more money than it would cost.

          1. And in the case of the drug dealers in Lewiston every one of the people who sold their EBT card should have been prosecuted as well.   That alone should have resulted in far more than 10 convictions. 

            The number of convictions has a limited relationship to the degree of fraud occurring. 

        1. I think if they gave a $50 dollar gift card to anyone turning in a person comitting welfare fraud, they would more than save this state a bundle of money.  They would be turning on each other and it would create jobs lol.  Bounty hunters!!

      2.  How would you like it if your car was stolen and the police said its not worth  looking for, don’t call again?

        1. I would not be happy, but what does that have to do with all welfare recipients should be drug tested. How do you know a welfare recipient on drugs stole your car? You sure are reaching here!!!

          1. I did not miss his point. That has nothing to do with welfare recipients using drugs. There are plenty on non-welfare recipients using drugs. So how does that relate to his car being stolen?

  23.  Good point, we should allow them to continue to steal.  You seem to be against anything and everything that LePage does, even when he is obviously right.  That’s small. 

  24. “mythical”?  I worked in the social service system in Washington State.  Fraud was rampant and case officers were expected to internalize a culture of entitlement without challenge or face repercussions.   Here is an interesting national statistic from that time (and I see no reason why this would have changed): 90% of those on welfare (now TANF) had income from unreported sources–babysitting,, laundering, off the book jobs, etc.  The investigative arm of social service agencies is woefully underserving the taxpayer due to inadequate resources and purposeful lack of interest by the agency leadership.

    1.  And who do you suppose is paying these folks up-reported wages?  Middle class folks like you and me.  So, who is really committing the fraud?

  25. dems and reps .Is that all you people see on here.Political party? This is about fraud. doesn’t anyone care about the law anymore.As soon as every one stops fighting in who is right or wrong maybe this country can move forward.

  26. This is a problem that can be fixed. It will take leadership. The Governor, The Commissioner of Public Safety, The Commissioner of DHHS, The Attorney General and The Chief Justice of Maine Supreme Court need to go into a room, sit down and iron out how this problem can be solved. The State of Maine has in it’s employ in the State Police individuals who have the word Detective before their name. Fraud, no matter the type, is a crime. Assign this matter to a group of  professional State Police Detectives and let them handle it. Once arrest have been made The Attorney General has to demand that his prosecutors prosecute to the full extent of the law, no plea deals. NONE. After a conviction then it is up to the courts to impose the maximum sentence. No more 100 year sentences with all but 20 minutes suspended. I don’t care who is caught, be it State workers, elected officials, vendors, providers or those receiving benefits put them in jail when they are convicted. It is the only way to send a message and it is past the time we did so. If there is fraud , and I am sure there is, in the system let’s put an end to it. Contact your State Senator, your Representative, send a letter to the Attorney General , The Chief Justice of the Maine Court System and to The Governor. Let them know that Maine People are sick and tired of fraud not only in the welfare system but everyplace in Maine Government. We , the Citizens of Maine, can fix this and it starts with our making sure our elected and appointed officials know we are fed up with this crap and DEMAND that they put an end to it.

  27. The biggest welfare cheat in Maine is the WalMart corporation. They pay their average under employee half the federal poverty level. This makes them eligible for every government program there is, and rightly so. We take care of their under employee’s health care, so they don’t have to, their groceries, so they don’t have to, and their heating oil, so WalMart doesn’t have to. I wonder how the 6 Walton heirs managed to hoard $93 billion in this economy? And yet, Poor Paul won’t rest until he has extracted revenge out of everyone in Maine who has ever bought a pack of butts with an EBT card. Nice job scrutinizing the pennies while the dollars fly out the window. No one can live on $7.50 an hour without a lot of help from you and me. There is your real fraud that is breaking the back of our system.

    1. Ya Walmart commits Fraud all the time but no one is ever charged. A simple look in the electronic department will tell the story 55db gain rabbit ears (WOW COMPARABLE TO SETI) Should get staition 20 light years away anyways. Wireless router with 10 times the range. Walkie talkies with 24 mile range just so misleading or out right lies to make a profit on the uneducated. Like when the told people you need a DIGITAL antenna to get to get local station. Digital antennas do not exist. They may market them that way but again they do not exist.

      1. The fraud on DIGITAL antennas started when our govrnment said we all had to change to Digital signal for better reception, that was B. S. Never has such bad reception in my life ! However i do know that the government can monitor all digital signals and can send messages over a digital signal, hmmmmmmmmm !    

    2. Lepage is an Enabler to this Walmart Welfare Scam!

      He wants to make Maine a Right to Work State removeing any chance for these people to negotiate a decent wage and get off from it.

      1. He is nothing more than a step-and-fetch-it for the Koch brothers. If you think Scott Walker groveling on the phone with David Koch was disgusting, wait until Poor Paul slips up and gets recorded nuzzling his nose way up in their back cracks. He isn’t intelligent enough to have any pride.

      2. Somehow I knew Wal*Mart would come up in a comment which is totally unrelated to the topic by an angry socialist who believes that a person should be “entitled” to wages that the market will not support and everyone should make the same amount of money regardless of occupation.  Does your favorite form of government and economic system begin with a “c” and end with the fall of the Berlin Wall?

        So I am guessing that you must shop at Hannaford or Shaws because they pay a “livable wage”  to their employees? Oh, wait they don’t.  This is about attacking Wal*Mart because they make a lot of money.  Since the owners of Hannaford and Shaws make a lot of money too why don’t you ever complain about them?

        By the way, right to work means that a person should not be forced to join a union just to be able to work.  It has nothing to do with Wal*Mart as Wal*Mart is not unionized.

    3. Every person who walks into Walmart to take advantage of their low prices encourages that system to continue.   We reap what we sow.  I do not shop at Walmart.

      1. I do not shop there either. I think $93 billion is enough money to last the cheap Walton brats. I try to shop as local as possible, while I still can as well.

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    4. We boycotted Walmart several years ago. Until others start doing the same, they’ll continue to thrive. Unfortunately, their aisles are filled with welfare recipients.

      1. Agreed. I would pick bottles and cans on the side of the road before I would lift a finger to put a penny in the Walton’s pocket. WalMart and hundreds of corporations just like them pay poverty wages while stacking up billions at the expense of the rest of us. I guess you either understand how much this costs the tax payers, or you don’t. We were talking about welfare cheats and they are the biggest.

    5. We aren’t talking about a pack of smokes. We are talking about serious welfare cheats. Many companies in Maine pay the same wages as WalMart. I worked for minumum wage and I never asked for help from you.

      1. Really? You must be very, very frugal to get by on minimum wage. According to my math, a 40 hour paycheck would just about cover rent and groceries, and not much else. I guess that you could share a trailer with a half a dozen friends and get donations from the food bank to get by on $7.50 an hour. I wouldn’t know. I have been very fortunate in life and have not worked for minimum wage since it was $1.65 an hour and I was in high school and living with my parents. I would have to belief that most minimum wage workers are not as frugal as you and do need the extra help to make ends meet. I think that we should help anyone that needs it. I have no problem with my tax dollars giving someone a helping hand that needs it. I do have a problem with greedy people who stack up billions and pay cooley wages in the process.

      2. You never got sick? Or did that minimum wage job you have come with health care? How was your vacation? Did you have to pay much interest on the savings you accrued on $7.50 an hour? Please do not try and convince me that you can even come close to covering rent, groceries, utilities, car expenses, insurances, gas, and all of life’s other little expenses in 2012 on $7.50 an hour. My dog can add faster than that.

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    6. Your ignorant hatred of anyone rich, and of the WalMart heirs in particular, is disingenuous.  And should I mention the total lack of understanding about the nature of wealth and economics?

      1. How do you equate my pointing out what a huge strain WalMart is on our social services with hatred for the rich? How do you know that I am not rich? Do you even understand the huge difference between wealth and greed? My total lack of understanding about the nature of wealth and economics? Now that’s rich! Lol. Thanks for the laugh.

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  28. its about time!!! too many people screw with the system and get away with it… Finally DHHS is opening there eyes!

  29.  Just a note to you Retiree… Alcohol is not illegal. Over 21, you can drink as much as you want. Not all people receiving benefits drink and not all people receiving benefits that drink, use their state funds to buy alcohol nor do they drink on a regular basis. Other people could supply it to them.  Why would someone get penalized for doing something that’s legal? Illegal drugs on the other hand, yes. I agree. However, how many people does Mainecare pay for to go to Methadone clinics and continue receiving a free high and drugs??  Perhaps the system should take a look at how they are enabling these people to commit fraud and wasting tax dollars in other places as well???

  30. 1200 complaints in 2010 and they only prosecuted 6 people? 2100 complaints in 2011 and only 10 convictions? Really? And they’re bragging about this??

    1. 10 convictions= a good start. Just because the didnt convict or press the issue dosnt mean it dosnt exist. All you have to do is kick over some rocks. Knock on some doors. Do a little leg work. they are there and they can be found. 

  31. If I have to take a drug test to get a job and PAY into the welfare system, others should have to take a drug test in order to RECEIVE that money. It’s that simple.

  32. I was a seafood store in Portland last weekend. I was buying whole
    MAINE shrimp for $1.99 a pound. There were two women in
    front of me and they wanted three two pounders hard shell at $9.59 a
    pound. That’s out of my price range. I cry like a three year
    old when it’s over $5.99 a pound.I saw the guy weigh them and put
    them in a bag.He told them $58.00ish and the look on their face was
    PRICELESSThey complained and made the guy weigh each lobstah….mean
    while I’m waiting in line.I knew he was being
    honest and they basically called the guy a
    thief.Then they whipped out the Blue MAINE EBT Card and paid for the
    lobster…actually the MAINE TAXPAYERS paid for their Super Bowl
    delicacy.These theives were complaining about the price of FREE lobster

    1. This to me is as much fraud as the article in question.. These kinds of things are what Ive readin here time and time again that dosnt exist.. Im told there is not as much fraud as we think .. But when I go and get groceries I see this time and time again.. The WICK come flying out then the food stamp card with the lil boat in it and then out of no where comes the cash to buy cat food dog food ciggs beer wine and kitty litter.. all then loaded in  a car that is better than mine.. this my friend is fraud.  This is a way of life for many people.. this is what needs to be looked for and fixed.. Its not fair that the people that are paying for this system are the only ones making sacrifices 

      1. Excuse me!!!  Are you saying that they ought to take my hard earned money that they did absolutely NOTHING to earn and spend almost $60 dollars of it on a TREAT!  I am sorry, but lobster is not a necessity!  If they want lobster than they should not be allowed to pay for it with money given to them by the hardworking people of Maine.  I cannot believe that you could even suggest that these women deserved to use this money in this way.  They must have had children at home that could have had numerous meals for $60 dollars.  Frankly if they don’t do something, the very few of us left working will not be able to support the great number that have no intention of working!!!

        1. Working class people can qualify based on income for Food Stamps, it is not just the people who do “absolutely NOTHING” that receive assistance. I’m not saying I agree with buying lobster with the benefits, I’m just saying it is not just the good for nothing people who receive benefits, it is also the people who have full time jobs, worked at the same full time job for years and years, and still didn’t even bring home $19,000 last year, so think before you judge.

          1. I am judging!!  I am judging two women who spent $60 dollars on lobster.  I am judging the young women who stand in front of me in the grocery store with brand name label clothing and acrylic nails, texting on phones and sighing at the poor clerk checking her out.  And then these women pay for children’s tv dinners and lunchables, etc.  on a foodstamp card.

          2. Good for you!     The libs always throw out the argument about not judging other people.  Of course they do so while judging you without even seeing the hypocrisy involved.  

          3. Im with you Jennifer.. I like the way you think. I think the only people that will see it our way are the ones that work. I get so angry when I see what you see that Its hard to control. Im not sure why I do but Ill say working and paying my own way makes me who I am. I have always paid my own way and Ive planned my family around my finances. Its lucky because  there are so many that do not now. So many things have changed that I m not sure the people receiving this money has any clue where it even comes from…

          4. I agree with the part you say about foolishly spending foodstamps on worthless, expensive items, I’m just saying that not all foodstamp recipients are throwing them in the trash by buying items such as these, and many people who receive foodstamps use them wisely and pinch every penny they can just as they do with what little income they have from the full time jobs they work at 40 hours per week. Because not all foodstamp recipients are lazy people who dont do anything but collect assistance like most people seem to think. It is the people such as these girls who ruin it for the families in need who are grateful to have services such as these to help. Because when you get a job that you think is going to get you somewhere and you work there for 3 years, then there is a wages freeze and the “steps” or merits you thought you were supposed to earn as your hiring contract stated are “frozen” and you work there for 5 more years for the same pay and everything in the world, i.e. gas, food, heating oil, etc rises in cost, but your wages don’t shift with the changing times and you have no other options but to continue to work the 40+ hrs per week for less than $18,000 a year, the foodstamps or the WIC are what is helping you be able to nutritiously feed your children. Obviously you are someone who isn’t in that situation and you never have been so you have no idea what it feels like.

          5. Clearly, there are many people on SNAP who work hard and make good choices. Even the the most hardcore anti-welfare conservative would agree with that.

        2.  I have to side with you on that one ! I also do not approve of these funds being used for “junk food” , alcohol, and/or smokes !

      2. When I saw this post, It made me think.  I feel guilty buying a lobster once a year, and I only buy it when it’s soft shell.  I work 50 hrs. a week to support my wife and children.  $60 bucks for 2 lobsters is not a “treat”, it’s enough to make several well balanced meals.  Those 2 women probably collect a monthly general assistance voucher later in the month when the ebt runs out.  I work in retail grocery and see the same people doing the same thing month after month.  EBT hand out is to feed families not to carelessly squander free funds to feed themselves and their families.  I agree that is fraud too!

        1. And you sir, should NOT FEEL guilty. The lobster you buy is reasonable and everyone deserves a taste of Maine. We need to support the lobster men. I’ve never seen one smile. Last summer in Westbrook, there was a small  seafood store on Main Street selling 10 – 1 1/8 soft shell for $50.00 or a bakers dozen culls for m$50.00 That’s a hell of a deal and it will feed a family. It is closed for the winter and it will reopen up this spring…I HOPE. The attitude of these two women to the clerk upset me to no end.

          1. I cannot believe you consider that a “deal”.  Only if you compare it to the price of hard shell can it be considered a deal.  Each lobster will contain less than a half pound of  meat and that makes it over $10 a pound that can actually be consumed. 

          2. I buy lobster two to three times a year. 10  1 1/8 softshell lobsters for $50.00 is the best deal in town. I know it’s around $10.00 a pound. We have to support the lobstermen. I saw prepackaged steaks in BJ’s for $14.99 a pound. I picked one up and when I saw the price, I very quickly put it down. I couldn’t believe what I saw.

        2. Ever see anybody with an EBT card buy 8.99 per lb rib eye, i have and do you know where it went to ? In the St bernards dish because they couldnt buy pet food with it !

      3. Its not one treat and its NOT once in a while. I when your on welfare out of respect for those whom are footing the bills that you make sacrifices. Eating lobster is not making any sacrifice. If they were so up against it  and making the dollar go as far as it can you could eat well for a week. I would think eating something is quite treat enough. Im sorry sir it isnt their money.  Its been given to them from taxpayers who are struggling themselves.. Where their treat?

        1. Many foodstamp recipients are also tax payer who work full time but just can’t find jobs that pay enough to afford to live, went to college got a degree, can’t find a job that pays well, and still owe and are paying the student loans for. I do not argee with wasting foodstamps on unneccesary items, but I do agree with using them to purchase food to cook nutritious meals with, and those people are out there, who use them to their fullest, use coupons, pinch pennys.

          1. More likely sociology or or something related to public service or social workers.  

            Also known as “Progressive Indoctrination 101”.

      4. They deserve a treat…I never said they didn’t. I have no problem with these two ladies getting assistance. I have no problem with these two ladies buying $58.00 worth of lobster with THEIR OWN MONEY. I have a problem with the hard working Maine taxpayer shelling out $58.00 for lobster. Do you think it is fair for the Maine taxpayer to pay for $58.00 worth of lobster.  A cold six pack of Gearys Ale is a treat. Do you think the hard working Maine taxpayer should pay for that too???

  33. He has them Lazy Union Bums and the Compers to go after next.

    Anything to “Draw The Heat” away from him and his Tax Dodger Cronies!

    Out the Door, in Twenty-One-Four!

  34. Let’s be honest. I’ve seen it firsthand for 10 years including the stuff “behind the curtain” that most people don’t get to see.  The Dems under King and Baldacci had ZERO problem with fraud and giving out money left and right to any one who wanted it.  The DHHS leadership were useless hacks. FINALLY, under Mary Mayhew and LePage, something is being done.
    Full stop.

  35. I would like to report a Possible Tax Fraud Protection Racket, it is based on a Tax Pledge by the Legislature not to do the job that the citezens of Maine elected them to do.

    Who do I call?

  36. Forgive me , but it all sounds like American capitalism at it’s most unique; a vagrant thought I am sure but nonetheless it is full of the entrepreneur qualities espoused by our culture.  If only it was put to good use, instead of fraud. Some of them seem to have wasted their talent.

  37. Go for it, Maine. Fraud is killing this nation, and welfare fraud is right up at the top of the fraud list.

    Just hope Eric Holder doesn’t get wind of this. He’ll put a stop to it and sue the state. 

  38. I hope this mentality has changed.  For many years the AGs refused to prosecute welfare fraud.  And, for many years the administrators at DHHS filed fraud reports away and did nothing.  Prosecute welfarefraud as well as fraud committed by the wealthy and powerful.  Everyone should be treated the same.

  39. At some point between the law of diminishing returns vis genuine fraud, and a myriad of false reports, that will cost time and money to investigate, it will become evident to most that while a step in the right fiscal direction for an indeterminate period; rat out your neighbor will have unlooked for, but easily foreseeable social consequences and penalties that will bring real pain to innocent bystanders and prove not to be a universal panacea and silver bullet for what ails the community.

    1. I have to ask why was Davids comment taken down?.. It was not offensive. He did not swear.. Ill have to say this. Even if I disagree with someone Im NOT for removing any comment that is made as long as its within the rules. I remember Davids comment and it WAS within the “rules” .. Isnt this a newspaper?… Do we not have the right to free speech?.. Who is making these decisions and based on what?.. I for one would like to know what the reason was for taking down his comment… I cant believe a newspaper is censoring comments … I have had a few of mine taken down as well … I have been very careful not to swear or break the “rules”  SO anytime whomever is  doing this wants to give us an answer we are all ears.. Because I would just as soon cancel my subscription to this newspaper and  not be a party to the web site either. Would love an answer here

  40. Funny this is in the paper today, we were discussing it at work the other day. A single 20 year old,working, no dependants, no rent gets 250.00 a month in foodstamps. A 22 year old single mother, working, paying 655 + utilities gets 80.00 in foodstamps. How is it that single,working, no rent, gets more than working,rent paying, single mother? Hours at work and rate of pay similiar.

    1. The only thing I can think of is does the single mom get any child support payments?  If she does, that may explain why she doesn’t get as many benefits.

        1. That’s a real head scratcher,  but then again so is just about anything that has to do with DHS.  Maybe she should call her caseworker and ask her why.  I’d be interested to know her answer!

  41. Chain gang and pick up trash in front of everyone.  And make them sing and I’m not talking about race.  All races have a history of chain gangs.  Make them work for it and be embarrassed all at the same time.  

    1. I agree with you 100%. As soon as it was considered acceptable to live off welfare, the flood gates opened. Dignity and work ethic were a thing of the pass.
      While living in VA for 10 years, a week never passed without seeing a chain gange working on the roads and there wasn’t a platoon of guards, only one with shot a gun with orders to drop any one who attempted to escape. It works well!!

      1.  I agree with you guys but welfare and foodstamps have become more acceptable because there are SO many out of work. There are 2 cultures mingling here. The working people and the non-working people. It’s a simple equation. If there are 100 people and only 50 jobs then half the population will go hungry. I don’t think most of those people are proud or enjoy it. Dignity and work ethic aren’t things of the past…jobs are.

        1. COnsider this.. the 50 people who do not have jobs… maybe they can think of a NEW way to earn money, create a NEW job…. not fraud! They can look around and discover a need, and fill that need. Honest people with a strong work ethic can OFTEN create a NEW job. LOOK AROUND AND DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND DO IT FOR MONEY.

          Welfare should be there for the old and the sick. The welfare cheats are working hard at stealing from the people who really need help. THROW THE BOOK AT THEM!

          And in reply to Bill Bob, too many people say “I refuse to judge”.  I understand why you are saying it, because you do not know all the facts, but too many people say that everything is OK, don’t judge. If a person never judges, he / she has no moral fiber. There ARE absolute standards that a person can use in order to judge. How about “Do unto others as you would have them do to you.”

        2. People need jobs to feed themselves. I agree …………….bring back the jobs!!! Because of the oil industry out west………..one can make $20 an hour at McDonalds. I hope the same starts here!!!

          1. well Obama made sure THAT $20. an hour McDonalds Job won’t last long – he doesn’t want that pipeline going through.  Wonder why – his votes/welfare benefits – one and the same…

          2. Those wind turbines oh they are doing such a great job lowering our consumption on oil LOL.  What a joke Green Energy is.  Ethanol is a failure, Wind Power a failure that destroys beautiful land and lowers property values.  Those solar panels are so successful nobody is rushing to get any. Weatherization is a farce.   Anything that Liberals here in Maine and the Nobama Adminstration proposes for Green Energy has failed.  It is a boondoggle that has wasted Billions of taxpayer dollars.  Nobody wants anything to do with it.  It is time to put all energy sources on the table and let the free market decide which is best.

        3. some of the people who collect live better than those of us who work for a living,  new car, cable tv in every room,  name brand clothing…..if i was the case worker i would deny claims until they ditch the new car and cut the cable.  if they can afford 500 a month for a car and a 100 month for dvr in everyroom, they dont need tanf and food stamps

          1. Perhaps they had the new car, brand name clothing etc. before losing their job and needing assistance. Do they have to sell the car and their brand name clothing etc. while they are looking for work and getting assistance? People that had it made [so they thought] are losing their jobs all to  often now and are fighting just to keep their heads above water, until they can find work again.  It’s not all cut and dried for every single recipient of food stamps or whatever program they are on. If you don’t need or never have needed  any assistance for anything, consider yourself very lucky.

          2. what if this what if that. omg.. Seems a liberal can try to talk you out of everything you have ever seen or believe . What the point is that while you are on welfare you shouldnt be buying cars name brand clothing having your nails done buying lobster cigs booze or drugs. Dish network cell phones ipads. Very simple .. it has nothing to do with rights… well yeah it does.. You should know to do whats is right. I know if I were on welfare. I would certainly be trying to get off . Not get comfortable and go shopping. But there again Im a responsible adult and have made plans in my life for  such an event.  Most everything I have done has been a plan. Its how I was raised . Not making excuses while Im on welfare so i can buy lobster on someone elses dollar so i can sleep at night. I have made my sacrifices early on . When everyone was buying cars or over extending their credit having kids and putting the cart before the house I was working and saving money. Knowing thats how you get ahead. The way of thinking is that we OWE this now.. Its the land of opportunity.. its just that. Its not a promise. Your supposed to be in charge of your own destiny.  Its not easy. Thats the part that is easily forgotten.. Its not supposed to be easy. What isnt worth working for isnt worth having. Seems the liberals can sit around and quote this and quote that and make excuse after excuse. But in the end. Its todays way of thinking is what really is wrong. The system would work otherwise. People has just got too comfy failing and putting it on others and blaming it alllll on something or someone else while they live well.. 

    2. In this economy it’s no wonder that people are committing welfare
      fraud. I don’t know their situations so I refuse to judge them. I can say,
      though, that it is foolish to put them in jail / prison. You’re just going to
      continue supporting them via tax dollars. Just take them off the benefits. Our culture
      is just too focused on shame / punishment at the detriment of itself. This is a
      way to take attention off the real problems facing our nation – such as our
      messed up tax system. Frankly I could care less about prosecuting small fries.

      1. You DO know that bleeding heart liberalism hurts people, don’t you?  It might make YOU feel good about how awesome you are, but it doesn’t do much for other people.

        1. Address the argument I presented: “I can say,
          though, that it is foolish to put them in jail / prison. You’re just going to
          continue supporting them via tax dollars. Just take them off the benefits. Our culture
          is just too focused on shame / punishment at the detriment of itself. ” Don’t resort to ad hominem attacks. How is what I posted overly sympathetic? How is it illogical?

          1. You’re not going to present a utilitarian argument to someone fixated on retribution. Nice try, though…

      2. fraud is fraud. Its not right. Its against the law. No small fries in breaking the law. Off to jail I say. or off to work. I would even let them pick. Ill bet a weeks pay they pick jail

      3. May cost more to keep them locked up.  The investigations and prosecutions are a good start.  The system needs process safeguards, like SNAP cards that record the location and items purchased and report that info back to DHS fraud.  Could save a lot by “billing back” for unauthorized buys.  Example:  $300 SNAP benefit per month, recipient spends $250 on healthy groceries and $50 on tobacco and alcohol.  Next month that SNAP is reduced to $250 and recipient is warned about the unauthorized purchases.  If more unauthorized purchases are made benefits are terminated and recipient is prosecuted.  Hire more cops, system programmers, etc and do this right.  
        Example:  merchant has a history of  allowing unauthorized  SNAP transactions, revoke any sales permits and prosecute.  Hire more cops and prosecutors and do it right.

    3. I agree and so does Ben Franklin:

      “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
      means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making
      them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth
      I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more
      public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for
      themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less
      was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer”.

      Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 1766

    4. This story was made  for people like you.  Soak it up, roll in it, sing about it, thoroughly enjoy yourself.  Then go live in an unheated shack without food, without medicine, without clothing, without work, without hope, watching your loved ones suffer, your elderly die, and your youth get cynical.  Do this after you’ve done your best to contribute to the system for years, perhaps decades.  Go have that experience and then proclaim your unabashed hatred for those who through no fault of their own cannot provide for themselves.

      There will always be those who try and take advantage whether it is a stockbroker selling risky mortgages or someone buying cigarettes with their welfare check.  So either way I’m all for making cheats pay.  But don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

    1. Not only that but for his knowledge of knowing how to get away from paying what he owed he is made Speaker of the House. He sure is skilled:)

    2. Gov. Baldacci, DHHS,  Steven Rowe (The AG at that time) were satisifed with the settlement they reached with Nutting.  Why do you Libs keep beating a dead horse.  If people from the Oakland/Fairfield/Waterville area didn’t like the job he is doing they wouldn’t have voted him back in several times after this situation.  That area is very Liberal.  So you have a heavily Democrat area thinking he is doing a great job.  So you and the rest of the Libs can find a new subject to complain over.

      1. Why are you FOR something libs are against????  We all know libs kick puppy dogs, pull the wings off butterflys and worship Satan.

        1. I am not for anything the Libs want .  I am for kicking everyone off of welfare that doesn’t belong on it.  If it was me we would  be  doing like LePage said during his campaign. We would be bussing them out of here either by Greyhound or Vermont Transit to Quebec, Canada,  New Brunswick, Canada or to a Liberal haven down south.  I have no sympathy for folks living off of my tax dollars who are couch potatoes, computer buffs, or folks who love to keep getting pregnant so they can keep adding kids to their Welfare benefits.  I am for taking a sledgehammer , jackhammer, bulldozer to DHHS/WELFARE , Dirigo Health , Land for Maine’s future and any other Liberal wasteful program here in Maine.

      1. The fact he wins this heavily Democratic District in the Waterville-Oakland-Faifield area is baffling but considering this same area Elected LePage as Mayor (Waterville).  The Liberals have some work to do to change the perception of those in this area who feel the Democrats are out of touch with them on most issues.  The fact is some elections Democrats can’t even field a candidate to run against Nutting which is awful.   Times have changed unless they change their radical socialism agenda they may not win too many in seats north of Augusta (2nd District).

  42. Interesting how change works.  This is change WE can believe in.  Not the artificial change that has been bragged about for the last 4+ years.

  43. There is nothing wrong with cleaning up Fraud in the system so long as those receiving benefits justly are not penalized..I am concerned LePage will tend to err on the side of extremism and not fairness just to satisfy his Party line.

    1. Come on GG. Governor Lepage is not out knocking on doors and checking up on these things. Be serious. You make it sound like he is out there with a badge, lights and siren arresting everyone in sight. Get real. We (you and me if you pay taxes) are paying people to do the job of weeding out corruption and fraud. Are you suggesting that they should not do that? Please! This system is rampant with waste and fraud. We need the people responsible for tracking it down to do more of it not less. If anything this article points out how few people are caught. That is scary.

  44. The crimes uncovered are less than the tip of the iceberg! Why would anyone have an incentive to work when the system will do for them.

  45. Another fine propaganda piece based on minimal numbers and misleading statements in an attempt to bolster Mr LePage’s claim that he and his crew are accomplishing what they were sent to Augusta to do.

    First it was the claim that all of those out of state college students were illegally registering to vote. It might be as many as 200 . When eventually none could be substaniated.

    Then it was the illegals who were registering to vote — golly it may have been as many as 150 and they might have voted. This appears to be dying the same quiet death of those out of state college students.

    Right up there is the claim that 43% of the citizens of Maine receive some form of finances from federal taxes. What was not mentioned was that seniors collecting social security, medicare and medicaid were included in this number along with other federal payments not related to welfare. But we were left with the illusion that this 43% were on welfare.

    Now comes the proclamation that they are cleaning up that TANF welfare fraud mess. Why last year there were 2100 reported cases of fraud of which we indicted 12 and 10 of those were found guilty. So out of the 59,000 families on TANF a total 10 or .0169% commmited fraud.

    Then they throw in the comment ” The total amount of money BELIEVED to be overpaid last year by the Maine DHHS was nearly 4 million, yet agency staff recovered just over 2 million …”  The most important statement is this disclaimer ” This figure involoves ALL types of overpayments, including agency error and intentional and unintentional erroneous application information ….” So this possible 4 million overpayment includes not just TANF fraud but overpayments to hospitals, doctors, municipaties and the list goes on. The 2 million recovered is not just from TANF fraud. But again they tried to leave us with the impression this is all about TANF fraud.

    Now I stand right up with everyone else when it comes to rooting out fraud and misappropriation of funds. That includes TANF fraud, overpayments to hospitals, doctors, pharmists, food stamp abuse, and misuse of the tree stand tax credit.

    What I do not care for is chest thumping based on minimal returns and misinformation.

     And the one number I am interested in is—- where’s the jobs ? Not counting the one created for the daughter.— 7200 jobs lost in 2011 and counting.

  46. The state needs to come down HARD on the fraudsters.  I don’t care if they have to hire a whole fleet of fraud recovery workers to accomplish it.  If the cheaters are caught, prosecuted, sent to jail and forced to pay back stolen benefits, it would more than pay their salaries and save the state a ton of money. 

    And how about coming down real hard on deadbeat parents?  Instead of taking their drivers license away how about giving them some JAIL TIME?  I would imagine that would motivate a deadbeat or two to find a way to pay child support.

    No, I’m not talking about parents who are making an effort to pay.

    Let’s face it, taking someone’s driver’s license away does nothing.  I know of 3 different people who have had their license pulled because of non-payment of child support and they could care less.  They drive anyway.   My husband told me that one guy said it’s cheaper to pay a fine for driving with a suspended license than it is to pay the child support month after month!  Bet he’d be singing a different tune if the choice was to either pay child support or go to jail.

    1. So if you send that person to jail the state pays twice . To send him to jail would cost money an to keep that person in jail would cost money an you better hope that person  dose not have medical problems either

      1. I am talking about the ones who REFUSE to pay child support.  As I said in my original post that it shouldn’t include anyone who makes an effort to pay. If they have the money to buy an ATV,  new car, a house or start a new family when they’re not paying for the first one.  The ones that make money “under the table” so their pay can’t be attached for child support.  Those are the ones I’m talking about.

        If they’re so dead set against paying child support, then I say toss ’em in jail.

        I find it hard to believe that if deadbeats were faced with the prospect of going to jail for non-payment of child support that they would willingly choose the jail option.

        1. It doesn’t matter what state they go to.  Most states have agreements with other states in regard to tracking down deadbeat parents and collecting child support from them.

  47. When the state used food stamp card, the user had to have a paper that said they could use them, sort of like a license.  A person could not use the $5 $10 or $20 dollar amounts without the book.  If they were torn out of the book they were unredemable.  The only amount a person could use was the $1 without the food stamp being in the booklet as this was the highest amount given back as change.  The EBT card make it much eaiser to simply trade the card for what ever a person wants.  Some people give the card away and receive 50 cents on the dollar for it’s use.  Aspire and Tanif benifits never should have been place on the EBT cards in the first place as this money is cash and not food stamp benifits.  In short I think they should stop using the EBT cards and go back to the food stamp program using paper stamps as there was more checks and blances with this system.

    1. I do agree that the present system is flawed.  The use of the Food Stamp books were a better control.  The Aspire and Tanif funds should not be used for cash ever!  These funds need to go to the provider not to the recipient.
       

  48. lets not forget about the fraud the state plays.. they claim i owe them thousands of dollars in child support but yet i never did not support kid 23 years later they still will not show me why they say i owe this but if i do not pay my licences for everything is gone why do they get away with theft like this . I ask for proof every month and every month i am told i owe it and they will not look into it. so i see it as theives stealing from thieves

  49. I have the solution anybody who needs help will come to regional life safety shelters where they will receive three meals a day and a cot and basic health care services .There are plenty of abandoned commercial and municipal buildings that would fit the bill.No more welfare no more snap  no more free cable no more free cell phones.We would be fulfilling the basics and thats it want more get a job.

  50. Yes but also big business steals . Banks got the bail low of no interest . These poor people pay like 400% interest on a lot of stuff like buy here pay here cars rent to own stuff. Why did we not charge the banks 400% interest like the poor pay.  That’s welfare too the tree growth tax cut is also welfare but it’s ok for rich to get welfare???

  51. “charges have been lodged against eight defendants in the Lewiston area alone.”

    Oh what’s this? Is it possible that Bulletproof Monk has been right all along?

  52. How about going after the provider fraud as vigorously? That’s where the big money is. Doctors billing for services not provided,  Rx billing procedures applied incorrectly, child care providers billing for children not in their care, small stores take food stamp money as payment for gas, cigarettes, etc…………..  I could go on and on, but that is where the huge amounts of money are, not with the client population. But I forgot, those are not the people LePage hates.

    1.  Yes I am  surprised that the word “provider” doesn’t even appear in this article, when a few weeks ago another article stated that DHHS believes that 4/5ths of welfare fraud is provider fraud to the tune of about $1.5 million, just about the same amount of welfare dollars stolen by our State Speaker of the House Robert Nutting.  I wouldn’t call this a balanced article.

  53. Thank you once again Gov LePage.  It is so refreshing to finally have a politcian in office who does what he says he will do.  Keep stepping on those toes Governor, your doing a wonderful job.  I surely hope you run again, because this state needs 4 more years of you to straighten out the 30+ years of Dems destroying it.

      1. You mean that report The Dept of Labor said to ignore because the Feds didn’t do use the correct information?  All I know is that unemployment is down over .5% since January of 2011.

      2. 243,000 new jobs created in the last few months. Help wanted ads in the papers everyday. NOt sure why you are whining but, what happened in the day when their was no handouts? People survived and they will a gain. 

    1. they may make it a tad better if  they were not smoking and drinking. Habits come last. I smoke. One pack of my cheap cigs are 745 cent a pact. I was leaving a box store this week. Thre was a couple at the end of the turn on my way out. Had a sign that said will work for food. another said any handout would help. I dug a 5 spot out to hand to them. I always am a sucker for people who spend a day out there because if they need it THAT bad and commit to sitting there all day well dang it Ill give them some money. I got up to them and BOTH of them were smoking. I said here ya go and if you guys didnt smoke you would go much further on your money. They said to me and I quote. Its none of YOUR business that we smoke. Thats our decision.  They may be right. But at the same time I dont have to give them any more money either.. thats my decision … I gave them the money and drove away. I most likely will give them money again. But its this thinking I can not get past.

  54.  Jail is just another give away program for these lazy, useless thieves.  The least we could do is make them clean roadside for a few months.

  55. Well there….if this trend continues it will certainly help fill the budget gap. It would be a big help IMO if there were an anonymous hotline to report suspicions about fraud though. I personally know of more than a few cases that are fraudulent and as a taxpayer it bothers me, however I wouldn’t risk retaliation of publicly accusing the types of people in question.

  56. I understand the card concept, easier for the grocer.  Too bad they couldn’t make HUGE Monopoly money and make them dole it out on the counter in front of everyone behind them.  So sick of working for slacka__es.  But then again, these people don’t have any pride to begin with, act like they deserve it.  

    1. How do you really know about that person  i bet you know nothing at all about them an how come they are on food stamps . They could be disable,could of lost there job because the company down sizes or closed up.  Beside were did all the jobs go to over seas so its the working person fault that they went over seas ?

  57. Once again a great reason to close DHHS and leave people to care for there own life. Nobody will enforce these laws. I have complained many times about folks who scam the system. IE clam diggers who work and earn undreds of dollars cash daily only to claim they make nothing and get all there needs meet by us taxpayers. I am not saying all diggers do this but there are a good amount who do. Along with many others in the state. Call the state and they do nothing. The only way to stop it is to end the programs. If there are no programs to mooch off of them people sill stop living this way.

  58. I agree that we need a better way to enforce the laws against abusing our safety-net programs for the needy.  How to find the balance of helping those in legit need and getting those abuser is, indeed, a tricky one.  I do wonder, however, that if fraud is so very rampant as claimed by some, like Big Paulie and Cindy-Lou Maywho, that only an increase of 6 indictments seems a bit low.  Oh well.  It’s only money.

  59. It is about time the workers in these offices woke up and changed their attitudes. Last year I know of a girl at age 18 who went to get Maine Care for the baby she was going to have. The state worker told her she could get it for the baby, but not herself since she was on her father’s insurance. The worker told her she could get  it for herself if she had her father take her off his insurance. Right. She had her father drop his insurance and she is picked up (with her pregnancy and then the baby) at taxpayer expense.

  60.  OK …I have a solution ! State sponsored farms on empty land can not only produce food for SNAP/TANF recipients, but could employ the same people to run the farm. All extra produce could be sold at profit to the public to assist with TANF payments. This way people in need could keep their dignity and get fresh healthy food as well. The farm could produce veggies, meats , dairy products…etc….even tobacco ! The people who refuse such a thing are probably just looking for handouts and can be dealt with accordingly.

  61. All they need to do out here is sit in the Walmart or Dunkin Donuts and listen to the people “brag” about how much they get and how long they have been getting it. It’s sick and govt needs to do more about it. And that’s out here near Farmington from “native” Mainers!

  62. Without our new Guv this would have never happened.  Dems could care less about the rampant fraud.  Hopefully this is just the tip of the iceberg.

  63. Hey LePage, First go after the thousands of Illegal Criminal Aliens that should  NOT  be in Maine or the USA. These Illegals Aliens collect Maine welfare and food stamps. Get all the Illegals off welfare and food stamps then DEPORT these Criminals if you want to save money. Very easy to check for Passports, Visas, Birth Certificate and Social Security Numbers. You don’t have to track down gossip from jealous Mainers who don’t qualify for welfare. If no written proof that these Illegal Alien Criminals are here legally then DEPORT these Criminals instead of paying them.

  64. Another example of spending a dollar to find a penny. I would hardly call the numbers cited a “ramped up battle”…12 indictments? 10 convictions? Please, you’re breaking my heart…

  65. That reminds me of two people who sit by the lights near the Super Walmart in Ellsworth what seems like every week with a sign asking for either a job or money…..And it’s the SAME two people each week just SITTING there with the sign looking at people going to and from Walmart. If they’re there every week then they might as well go into Walmart and ask for a job application OR go across the street to Home Depo and ask them for a job application and do something productive with their time instead of sitting there with a sign waiting for a hand out from someone driving past them.

  66. its about time they started getting these cheats.they steal from those who really need it.they should not be able to use their food stamp card,nowhere but a grocery store.they use it to buy soda,candy,and lobster.i cant afford lobster for god sakes.

  67. I’m getting a kick out of the huge earned income credit checks being issued to those receiving assistance.  Shouldn’t those funds be used to reimburse the state for benefits received?  They take properties of elderly that have received assistance.  Why not build a State Store in communities, stocking nothing but non taxable goods, ie, food to feed a family.  Forget the luxuries, cigs, alcohol, etc.  Offer incentives to legitimate welfare fraud cases reported.  Until we, as society, stand up and refuse to allow our tax dollars to be abused, nothing will ever change.

    1. Another reminder of a different time.  Forty or 50 years ago, we had “federal” food distributed to the poor.  I can still remember the blocks of cheese and jars of peanut butter.  It seems like we would like to turn the clock back to 1960 or 1932 even.

  68. Drug test all persons recieving gov. benifits in most cases if your getting a job you will be checked. Why not people requesting THE PEOPLES MONEY? The state has lots of land Lets give them veg. seeds, teach them how to can food and cut fire wood off state land to heat there homes. I know it’s hard to believe but people survied  before the Welfare state in Maine. Have younger reciptiants grow and cut 20% extra for the elderly and disabled.Everyone knows the quote Give a fish or teach them to fish. I bet the people who really don’t need the fish, disappear off the rolls quickly.

    1. Yes, drug test them all! Include those leeches who use roads, schools, and parks. Let’s not forget those terminal layabouts who enjoy police, fire, and military protection. While we’re at it, we should demand drug testing from anyone who demands that their food, water, and air are safe. That’ll show ’em!

        1. He said test anyone who receives government benefits. Just about everyone receives a government benefit of some form or another. That means drug testing everyone. Is your house on fire?, We’ll put it out for you, but first pee in this cup.

          For the record: No, I am not on welfare and am gainfully employed. I am however glad the safety net is there should I ever need it. I’m also glad that we live in a place where our poorest can be fat and have satellite dishes on their mobile homes.

    2. Your post reminded about the “poor” farms of the Great Depression.  I am too young to actually know about them, but I remember the alder patches that had grown up where they once had been.  Snowbird, huh?  Don’t care to stick around Maine during the winter?  Don’t you miss the basketball tournaments?

      1. I have to go south to work. Where I am drug tested before I can enter a work site. I cut my own firewood and grow a garden and put up food for the winter. I don’t feel victimized and actually have grown to enjoy it. May also help with the obesity problem everyone seems to worry about. fresh air and sun. Beats a walk to the mailbox to pick-up the monthly hand-out. Unfortunately will soon have to become an outer stater to keep working. Just like most college grads after 55yrs the Takers are out numbering the Makers. That sucking sound your hearing is working people heading south where the jobs are being created. The brain drain is real. take away the brain and your left with a non-functioning vegtable

  69. Rediculous………..this is pennies compared to Corporate fraud/theft and political fraud/theft. Go get em folks!! You’lll collect piddles from the poor and millions from the politicians and corporations……you tell me where OUR money would be better spent.

  70. Are there any conservatives who would like to pursue House Speaker Nutting to pay back the $1.5 milton dollars he stole from Maine Care?

    Crickets.

    1. we will never hear about the law makers getting caught or paying back anything the fox will never turn o their own i am sure there are more nutting out there doing the same thing

    2. If he stole it, he should be prosecuted. If he did not steal it, why should he pay back anything?

  71. The fact they they have only managed to identify 12 cases and successfully prosecute 10 kind of proves that there are NOT the thousands of people cheating on welfare. Simply put, want to reduce welfare and medicaid rolls? Then create some jobs. Now, before all you TeaPublicans get your knickers in a knot, I’m all for catching and prosecuting any kind of fraud, even welfare and medicaid. That said, I do NOT support the current jihad against those who really do need the social safety nets in a pathetic effort to appeal to an ideological base.

  72. If they tested for drugs, alcohol and nicotine, it would be a start on ending abuse to the funds paid to welfare.

  73. Just pay a bounty on welfare cheating and watch how many there are. You wouldn’t need any new state employees if the existing state employees actually tried to do something about the fraud. I am a former state employee and I thought it was disgusting when I was there how little many state employees actually do.

  74. I’m trying to recall if Jesus demanded a medical history, a statement of finances and a drug test before healing the sick and feeding the hungry.  

      1. Actually, you might want to read your Bible again and try understanding what Jesus said about caring for the poor. I don’t think he qualified his teachings regarding whether one has a job or not.

        1. It is easy to care.. I care . Im sure all of us care.. But thats not the issue at hand. The cheating of the people who are caring is the issue. Im sorry religion has nothing to do with this. People who go to work EVERY DAY. People who make sacrifices … Im not just saying sacrifices I mean real sacrifices these people work and then live within their means. Then on Fri a day of their work goes to help the needy along with roads police etc etc. When the people who are receiving this help is cheating and taking more than what they deserve. Thats fraud. There is no acceptable reason. There is no excuse. Not only are they disrespecting the people who are paying in. They are hurting people who actually need the money. Im not sure Jesus would stand for this either. 

  75. Well, after calls on and such on a few I know that have traded their own cards for drugs , and yes I’ve giving DHHS names, they’re still getting their extra ” benefits”. I’ll just say, hopefully PLEDGEMYSCAREDHONOR’S  link and phone number works  and puts this BS to an end. I’ll let ya know!

    1. anyone who needs the number to the fraud line or email , on ones you know  that’s doing this BS ,here it is 626-8800 AGO- DHHS 287-2409 and the email Fraud.Dhhs@maine.gov  ( seeing how it’s been flagged) 

  76. Glad to see at least some getting caught.  Now take some of the money that would have gone to a thief and train some more people to help in catching more thieves

  77. For 42 years it has been a breeding ground for this type of criminal behavior here in the state of Maine. GO GET EM PAUL

  78. Lets all go after the fraud going on in Augusta.  That’s where you will find the thousands & thousands of dollars.

  79. The Maine Today Media papers are a mess, and if we documented each instance of bias or flat-out yellow journalism, it would be a full-time job. Last week we showed how the editorial page was running falsehoods. A few weeks before that, we caught their trophy columnist Bill Nemitz in a lie on video. The plain truth is that the editorial staff couldn’t care less if it was perceived as an agenda-driven publication. And that’s why taking millions from a politician to keep the bills paid doesn’t make them blush in the slightest.
    Mr. Sussman has once again used his millions to boost the career of Ms. Pingree, but he’s also revealed the institutional proclivities of the state’s biggest papers. The silver lining to Pingree’s takeover of Maine Today Media is that the centrists of the world can stop pretending the papers are making an earnest effort to be fair. Sussman’s ownership will likely further marginalize the papers, the bias is now more clear than ever, and we can only hope this brings us one step closer to the end of the myth of an impartial media.

  80. I suppose this is necessary to get some people off their high horses about welfare and welfare recipients, but I have a feeling the money spent will come nowhere near the savings.  Ah well, it will put some more people to work for the state finding and prosecuting these offenders, assuming the people who hate welfare will not object to the increased spending needed to address the problem. 

  81. “The collection part of this job is probably not going to make up for the costs of someone investigating fraud,” she said….“It’s not a dollars-and-cents question,” Attorney General Schneider said. “I know we’ve increased our restitution collected. We’ve increased the number of cases we’ve brought and we’ve increased the dollar value of those cases. So we’re increasing all three of those values. I honestly don’t know whether that dollar for dollar offsets the cost of doing the prosecutions…”

    I’m all for catching and punishing cheats, but I will be interested to see how the $ amounts of the recoveries compare to that of the investigation/prosecutions. Sounds like it may well cost more than it recovers. Obviously that’s not the whole issue, but it is one factor.

    Let’s not forget to factor in the cost of incarceration… I’d love to see creative, cost-effective solutions on the punishment/restitution side.

  82. The biggest welfare frauds in Maine, are the republican legislaturers.  The State Treasurer and the Govenor and adminstration.

  83. Now let’s address the ‘bad back’ disability fraudsters and we will be on a roll.  I personally know of many people on the disability rolls that went their disability hearing using a cane and now are out splitting wood and hunting for days on end.

  84. Why would DHHS allow cash to be going through hands at all? That’s just asking for someone to commit fraud, to tempting. And EBT cards should be used for food and necessities only, hello! Make it illegal for any store to sell anything but those items on EBT and that problem will go away, pronto! But I’m really glad that FINALLY they are taking the matter seriously. The people of Maine have been screaming about this issue for far to long.

      1. They can…..by getting a J-O-B. (and there are jobs out there.  know this because many of us have them.) 

          1. Yeah…getting a job makes NO sense whatsoever. Really a “feeble” idea. What was I thinking?

             People who want things should find employment!! It CAN be done. Give it a try…saw some jobs in the want ads about an hour ago.  Perhaps working for what one wants to you it is a foreign concept, one that the entitle-minded can’t grasp. You go on believing that the taxpayers should foot the bill for everyone who wants to sit on their duffs 24/7/365.  If they need incidentals, then the state can start giving them chits for “incidentals.”   
                                                       orMaybe the next time one of these lazy louts (notice I didn’t say “everyone” ) commit a home invasion they can grab some toilet paper and laundry soap on the way out the window.

          2. Actually I am a retired air traffic controller (25 years in the Navy, and 20 years in the civilian community. O’Hare, JFK and Lindbergh Field ) living high on the hog from my MANY years of WORKING and SUPPORTING my family and I WITHOUT government assistance because I APPLIED myself and DIDN’T EXPECT anyone else to walk my path of life. Bought my own home  AND a summer home. See what happens when one has motivation and a good work ethic. Give it a try. Any other questions?

             I’ll let you have the last word since it seems to be very important to you. Have a nice life. (and you’re welcome for me and my taxes allowing you to sit on your arse all day.)

    1. The problem also exists where the “benefit recipient” goes shopping and then delivers the items to someone for cash. (This is why an EBT card with the recipient’s photo  wouldn’t do much good.) Never underestimate the resourcefulness of those hell bent on getting their drugs/booze/smokes. Crooks spend a lot of time and energy (that could be used for actually looking for a job and working) trying to get around the system. 

  85. I understand there is welfare fraud and I agree that its wrong but I wonder how much money they will actually save after all the costs of investigation/legal bills are all factored in?

  86. So what about state officials,like the transportation guy that just got over 300k as back vacation pay,after he ADMITTED stealing from the state?WHY are we going after these 183$ thefts and not the big ones???????

  87. Let me get this straight…welfare cheats, the worst of which perhaps defraud the taxpayers of of what, maybe at most 20,000 a year, should go to jail, appx. cost $40,000 a year. Yep, that makes great economic sense. ”

    You know, there has to be a better solution.

    1. The key is to make examples of each person caught and prosecuted so that people can see that this is illegal and not tolerated.  At that point some people might start deciding that cheating the system in this way is not a good idea.

      1. Dirigo, I hate to burst your bubble but people already know this is illegal. You see, that’s the problem with those who have a criminal bent, they will go ahead and commit the crime because they think they know how to trick the system and THEY won’t get caught. Laws have never prevented any crimes. They are only there so that we can punish the criminal if we catch them. But even that becomes problematic when the punishment costs more to those wronged than the original crime, and then they, (the taxpayers) are asked to pay for the punishment. Screwed twice.

        I am just saying that there has to be a more rational and better way to do this. I don’t know what that is.

  88. There are plenty of abuses to be found without bothering any truly needy people. About time something was done about this.

  89. Sounds like a great step in the right direction. I didn’t seem to catch if there are investigators in each local branch or if it is just at the state level, but I may have missed that.  There should be some at each branch.  It may give each local branch the opportunity to look at possible front end investigations so there is a focus on prevention as well as recovery.  A lot of times workers see the same folks over and over again, or something just doesn’t seem right.  Having the ability to investigate that before the benefits are issued would also save the state some money.  It can be done and I’m glad to see it becoming a priority so that people truly in need will have their needs met and once word gets out that the repercussions are serious, maybe it will be a deterrent for those who are not in need.  There may always be some fraud, but any decrease is a positive step.

  90. Why not just enforce drug testing on all who apply or are recieving assistants anyone who fail’s looses assistance. It’s ok to drug test us at work I see no reason why those looking for hand outs shouldn’t get drug tested for their TanF check.

  91. Maybe the state should take some of that money that they saved from the thieves they would have given it too and train some more people to help investigate the frauds and catch some more of the liars and thieves

  92. I have to ask why was Davids comment taken down?.. It was not offensive. He did not swear.. Ill have to say this. Even if I disagree with someone Im NOT for removing any comment that is made as long as its within the rules. I remember Davids comment and it WAS within the “rules” .. Isnt this a newspaper?… Do we not have the right to free speech?.. Who is making these decisions and based on what?.. I for one would like to know what the reason was for taking down his comment… I cant believe a newspaper is censoring comments … I have had a few of mine taken down as well … I have been very careful not to swear or break the “rules”  SO anytime whomever is  doing this wants to give us an answer we are all ears.. Because I would just as soon cancel my subscription to this newspaper and  not be a party to the web site either. Would love an answer here

  93. The timeline of when these people apply for any assistance should be investigated before giving them anything. Here is an example…A woman gets fired from her job, she is denied unemployment and so fights them in court and loses. Within 24 hours later she is walking inSocial Security office with a Cane she bought at the dollar store and is now collecting $1200.00 a month for her “Disability”…..come on!! The RED FLAGS were litrally falling off of the poles that day!
    Investigate! Investigate! Investigate!…it works!

  94. I have limited experience with the welfare system, but it seems like it’s very hard for the people who need short term assistance to get it, while at the same time you apparently have people in the system getting more than they should. I think prosecutions are a good start, though I do recognize the irony of spending $50,000 a year to jail someone who was costing us a few hundred a month. Is there some sort of law that prevents us from making prisoners work to pay off the expense of their incarceration?

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