PORTLAND, Maine — Most people agree that the national health reform law passed in 2010 ushers in a new era in American health care.
That’s about where the consensus on the law ends, if a public forum held Wednesday night in Portland is any indication. Hosted by the progressive advocacy group Consumers for Affordable Health Care, the forum at the University of Southern Maine’s Muskie School of Public Service dug into the law’s constitutionality and policy implications, featuring experts arguing both for and against the landmark legislation.
John McDonough, a Harvard public health professor, said the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act marks the best chance in this lifetime to get America’s health care system right.
“This moment of innovation is just so important to capture and move and take advantage of to try to create a system that better meets the needs and desires and values of the American people,” said McDonough, who was recruited in 2008 as part of the late Sen. Ted Kennedy’s push for national health care reform.
President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul aims to expand health coverage to 35 million more people by 2014. It sets up state health insurance exchanges where consumers and businesses can shop for plans and emphasizes preventive care, among many other initiatives.
McDonough highlighted a provision that rewards hospitals financially for reducing unnecessary re-admissions and medical errors.
On the other side of the debate was Amy Lischko, a Tufts University School of Medicine professor who objects to the law’s “one-size-fits all” approach.
Lischko formerly headed up health finance and policy in Massachusetts under then-Gov. Mitt Romney, where she crossed paths with McDonough, a key advocate of the commonwealth’s 2006 health reforms.
Lischko summed up what she liked about the 2,000-page law — it doesn’t set up a government-run health insurance system, for one — in roughly 20 seconds.
She spent more time disputing an often-cited report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which found the ACA would cut the deficit by $210 billion over 10 years.
“I’ll eat my shoe if it reduces the deficit, fully implemented,” she said.
Lischko also detailed many states’ objection to footing the bill to expand Medicaid coverage, as required by the law, and shouldering the burden of implementing complex legislation they oppose.
Twenty six states, including Maine, are challenging as unconstitutional the ACA’s requirement, known as the “individual mandate,” that nearly all Americans purchase health insurance by 2014 or pay a penalty.
The U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the case at the end of March, with a decision expected by June.
Colby College law professor Joseph Reisert argued that the mandate goes beyond the limited powers afforded to the federal government under the Constitution.
“If the government can do this, why can’t it make you buy, I don’t know, a car, or maybe make you eat broccoli?” he said.
Cabanne Howard, a former law professor at USM, countered that the mandate falls within Congress’ power to regulate the economy. Since everyone else pays when an uninsured person needs health care, he said, the choice not to buy coverage is an economic decision, he said.
“If the court does not intervene and strike this [legal challenge] down, it’ll just be a naked political act,” Howard said.
The event was co-sponsored by the Muskie School of Public Service and the University of Maine School of Law.



Just let it go away……
Huh, I thought they would wait a little longer, I was wrong.
““If the court does not intervene and strike this [legal challenge] down, it’ll just be a naked political act,” Howard said.”
Already setting the Supreme Court up to be “Fundamentally Changed” if they,when they, loose this case.
a naked political act???
I don’t care whether someone in California eats broccoli or not. It doesn’t cost me anything. But when someone in California incurs medical bills and is unable to pay, it does cost me something. You’d think a Colby College law professor could see the difference.
It will cost you something whenever anyone gets sick anywhere. The question is, what kind of healthcare will cost you the least amount. Remove profit, give everyone access so they don’t wait until they are deathly ill to see a doctor, and this will cost you much less. It also has the virtue of compassion.
The plan didn’t go far enough. The major beneficiaries will be the insurance industry. We as a nation need a single payer system run as a non-profit that covers medical care and malpractice insurance.
Sure..service as good and as cheap as the broken postal service. Say NO to Government HealthCare!
The next time you need health care, go to your insurance company to perform the cure.
no thanks, I’ll go see my doctor…and I’ll pay him cash
Republicans BROKE the Post Office!
Say NO to Republicans!
Say NO to ignorant partisan sniping , PARTICULARLY FROM THOSE THAT GO OUT OF THE WAY TO WHINE ABOUT THE OTHER PARTY. All the time, no matter what the topic some can make it all about the other party.
“Look, a cat got run over,”
“Those damn cat hating (fill in the other party here)
OMG it’s not unethical, lmbo. Do you read? Throw your mail into a FEDEX box and see how you make out. There really should be a test to vote.
The postal service is not “broken.” It’s in financial good health, but is being made to appear to be in trouble thanks to a phony reporting system forced onto it by people who hope to turn mail delivery entirely over to for-profit corporations.
They will have to use 85% of premiums for healthcare, that alone is a good start. If they don’t see the patient, they will have to return the money unlinke now.
The main reason for this mess is too much regulation. On the market I can choose what I want, and buy it from almost anywhere in the world that I want. As long as big government is involved, Red or Blue, our healthcare system will never be simplified, and will continue to become more and more expensive in one way or another.
You’ve got it wrong jonny. There is not enough regulation. Healthcare is too important to be profit driven.
Who says it’s too important to be profit driven? The same people who are making the most profit from it! You, and many others have been duped in a very sophisticated game of 3-card Monte. How does one justify that, in the name of healthcare justice, the rights of many others are blindly trampled? It does not satisfy to label the enemy as being greedy and deserving of financial punishment while stuffing the left pocket with cash and political favors. Our esteemed leaders do not give a hoot about Grammy in the ICU, or the Latina delivering her anchor baby in an El Paso ER. Know this: They Do Not Care! They ARE the insurance companies and hospital CEOs, Big Pharma, and all of it. They are lying to us and creating a problem that would pretty much solve itself if left alone to do so. Sure, we’d still have travesties perpetrated by profit-takers, but they would at least be punished by the consumer instead of rewarded by our government.
Funny but your version of how the system should operate is in fact how it has been operating. That is akin to saying Bush 2 was a great president after his administration and the GOP put the U.S. into the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. Free market forces do not work when it comes to the necessities of life. Free market may be OK for the things that are not essential to survival however the basics of life cannot be rationed by greed driven market forces. You are advocating “life to the highest bidder” while condemning everyone else to Hades.
You might want to check it again. The healthcare system has never been allowed to freely operate in the market. Hiding behind regulation while manipulating the market, and at the same time telling the lie that the free market won’t adjust to demand is evil greed at its best. It is a rigged game. Things would be very different if we actually had a real free market in the healthcare system, which has been never.
True, like so many American industries, the healthcare industry has lobbied for and received special regulation which is to their benefit. Insurance companies in general do this, not just the health insurance people. However I see that as a minor blip in the reality of the (mostly) free market driven nature of healthcare. I do understand what you are saying, a “real” free market would function adequately but I have to disagree with your opinion. I also disagree with your comment “…won’t adjust to demand is evil greed at its best.” I would say it is evil greed at its worst. I appreciate your polite response. A tip of the hat.
Well, I’ve learned from going a bit too far in these forum’s that it is much more conducive to the conversation if I’m at least trying to be civil. Thank you for noticing. Whatver happens with the whole healthcare thing, I just hope that t is as fair as posible for everyone, including those fortunate enought o afford the choice of whether or not to have it at all, or at least the package they need and are happy with.
We should have Universal Healthcare, not reforms. All US citizens should be entitled to it. Why is the US the only industrialized country in the world without it. And why is the US the only country that allows prescription drug advertising, no wonder they are so expensive. This country needs more than reform in healthcare, it needs a complete overhaul. When it costs $10,000 a day for a hospital stay and the insurance company denies coverage and sticks in their co- insurance, co-pays and deductables so they can keep their fat profits and the rates keep going up and up and up……
I agree with you wholeheartedly healthcare in this country should not be a privilege should be a right as it is in other major industrial countries.My cousin who recently died of a major heart attack displayed the same symptoms my girlfriend recently displayed. I know I was with both of them when these symptoms occurred. My cousin was sent home and told to take two aspirin. My girlfriend stayed in the hospital. The difference my cousin could not afford health insurance my girlfriend has a Cadillac plan. It cost my cousin her life it cost my girlfriends health insurance $60,000. All the tests possible were conducted on my girlfriend showing no positive results.Twice now the obstructionist Republicans have blocked any kind and reasonable approach to healthcare through their filibusters. They are responsible for my cousins demise just as they are with many other noninsured victims of our corporate greed healthcare system. They should not take a supermajority in the Senate that was originally designed in the first place to protect the small states. These Republicans are as guilty just as if they took a rope and tied it around my cousins neck and kicked the chair out from underneath her.Dear voters come December remember that you to maybe my cousin without health insurance without a job.
Well said. The GOP acts like it wants to hasten the deaths of people who can’t afford their own health premiums. They have little regard for the poor and I believe many of the GOP have no conscience. Therefore, appealing to them that it’s a matter of justice to provide national health care is going to have no effect.
By all means keep making comments like that. It’s so productive.
Do you like it when someone says, “Democrats are all….”?
We will never get anything accomplished as long as people are listening to the most partisan, divisive, arrogant, arms of EITHER PARTY.
Comments like this and the one above it are disturbing displays that show us all a little about what really resides in some of the hearts of the liberals. Darkness and projection onto the “other” as a means of deflecting blame on themselves.
Yes, the evil Republicans killed your girlfriend. Please. Your post is the most disgusting of the day.
They may not have killed her but they sure as heck didn’t help her.
I urge all people to NOT flag these two liberal posts as they are instructive of how sick and twisted the left is when it runs up against opposition to its plans.
Its the only sensible answer!
I agree that we should have a single payer system – for taxes. Each US resident pays $10,000 per year and that covers everything including an opt-out national healthcare system. I’m glad we can agree on this.
The Mayo Clinic may charge 10,000.00 a day but I don’t believe you’ll find too many hospitals charging near that.
Your reference mentioned nothing about other charges,just the room. If that includes other charges then you should have stated so. But, that wouldn’t really fit into your rant would it?
“entitled” the magic word of the day.
I think the Affordable Care Act is a good thing, if only because of the fact that what we have now is not working. It certainly is a good start.
Affordable Care Act, the only people that call it that or think it will actually work as advertised are Obama droids.
Yes, it’s so much better to do nothing. Let’s just complain about deadbeats and paper tigers. If you don’t change direction you end up where you’re headed. Pres. Obama lead the country in the right direction. Do nothing obtructionist republicans stood in the way. Get rid of them I say.
“Obstructionist Republicans” ..you mean you have a problem with democracy?
Last I knew we chucked the king back in 1776..unless you want Barack as your new lord and master that is.
I would rather have an elected Barak Obama than an un-elected Grover Norquist/Koch brothers.
Obamacare. Bringing the joys of the British Health Service to you!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000824/NHS-indignity-Peter-Thompsons-body-ignored-hours-corridor-Edale-House-unit.html
All hail more free stuff from King Obama!
that is until the money runs out….
When the free stuff runs out we’ll look like Greece.
No, worse..at least Greece has warm oceans and beautiful women. We just have ugly liberal trolls pushing the government down our throats.
Free? Really? Where is your proof? Right now it is free for those that go to the ER and that law was instituted under Ronald Reagan, the first to bring us socialised medicine. Why don’t you or one of you ‘followers’ show me the free link? Lying is a sure sign of being uneducated or unethical. I hope you are just uneducated.
Free emergency room care? Yeah right, only you libs think stuff is free. Maybe your unicorn or fairy dust is paying for it huh?
Nothing is free.
Health care is going to bankrupt us personally and as a nation if we do not approach it differently. We are all one health care episode away from bankruptcy, even when we are insured because the insurance companies weasel out of their part of deal by, well, any way they can.
We need a single payer system, which is used by every other developed country. This will cut out a whole level of profiteering and hopefully change the incentives of all the remaining parties to contain costs.
Then he’ll ask for more. :0
If your a veteran you should worry about Obama’s cuts to TriCare. Wait till he and his Democrat friends get their hands on the private companies.
http://freebeacon.com/the-war-on-tricare/
You want to know where the Defense Department got their idea to make those cuts to Tricare? Credit goes to Sen. Tom Coburn (R).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/tom-coburns-cuts-militarys-tricare-prime-health-care-program-targeted/2011/07/20/gIQAtZl6WI_story.html
Coburn was the best investment that the AMA, the healthcare industry and the Insurance Company’s ever made. Just go match his voting record with these PAC’s public position’s. Can we all say clone ?
Just started my LBJCARE and while the ACA will never help me, it will my children and grandchildren. Healthcare is a right not a privilege. As a long time employee of a hospital, it is time everyone pays instead of the hospital passing the cost on to the insured. Too bad so many people dont’ see that. They never hear about the new vehicles they get every two years, vacations and country club memberships. It is no different from our healhtcare system we have now, anyone that says anything else is a liar. The only difference is who and how you pay. No more gouging by the Greedy One Percenters.
Perhaps if YOU had gone through internship and had a hundred thousand dollar tuition bill you are/were paying off ,You could have a new car every two years.
Your comment smacks of envy
Ah,,now a post that reveals the TRUE nature of these prog posters here wanting “free” this and “free” that. You are simply a gang of takers and thugs. You vilify the top earners in this country in a way that makes those in history that targeted “the other” as scapegoats looking down on you with smiles on their faces..you know Stalin, Hitler and Mao…your fellow travelers in hate.
Through your LBJcare the government pays most of their salary as well as those of the insurance co.’s fatcats. Do you really think this will change without the truth and a really big fight? This fight is filled with lies from all parties of interest,and can only change by a complete dismantling of attitudes, expectations, and the institutions propping up the monstrosity that is the American healthcare system.
With the GOP acting as they are, it is amazing there are still people out there that are pro Republican.. Whats it gonna take to see that their principles and practices are whats killing our country? People are still telling me how Bush Jr. was the best president this country ever had.. I simply don’t understand where they are coming from.. I had a person that’s been on welfare all her life due to a disability and her son that was born with spina bifida, he is also on welfare and she claims Liepage is the best thing Maine has seen for a governor.. She does not realize and will not believe that if Lipage got his way she would lose her public assistance.. She is pro Republican all the way.. I wish i had the power to brainwash people like that.. I would have a loan for a new truck to plow my driveway with instead of paying someone to do it for me.. 35 bucks a storm..
When is our government going to learn what well run business ‘s have learned?
Government jobs exist only as a side effect of the need to serve our citizens. Our government is not in the business of EMPLOYING people. I would see more money thrown at problems if I trusted any of our politicians. EFFICIENCY, not even in the dictionary in D.C.
Don’t confuse the liberal posters with economics. They think there is a magic pool of money surrounded by unicorns and dollar clad princesses just waiting to pay for all their programs. Little do they know that they private sector cow that really provided the milk is about done up.
The conservatives believe much more voodoo than the liberals and I’m not just talking about religion and the all-mighty Tooth Fairy. Trickle-down economics is complete hogwash. Give huge tax breaks to the rich and MAGICALLY beanstalks to prosperity start sprouting! (shhhh…Pay no attention to those collapsing bridges)
Um, who feeds the private sector cow? Who supports the cow? Who makes the cows milk production possible? Who supplies the military with manpower to protect the cows?
The private sector isn’t in the business of EMPLOYING people either apparently. They seem to be in the business of making sure 1% of the people are well off and to heck with everyone else.
Don’t you people get tired of repeating the same tired mantra.
No REAL solutions, just MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY MORE
What you aren’t willing to acknowledge is that raising taxes is fine, (makes sense to me) We still can’t do EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD FOR EVERYONE.. We could literally take every cent the wealthy have in our country and it STILL wouldn’t even cover our debt.
I’m a fanatical proponent of social services. As I’ve stated before, If I trusted our government to spend our money i’d be more apt to back them. I DON’T. They are inefficient. Our political leaders are part of the one percent. Some in spirit if not reality. Democrats and Republicans.
looks as if the government indoctrination is working well with most of the posters here. i hope that they will someday see the truth of this out of control government. how many liberties will you need to have taken before you wake up?
The sky is falling! waaaaaahhhhhh. Big Government is so evil and is coming to get us!! Better sleep with our muskets clenched tightly to our chests!
I do !
How sad that you live in fear of your neighbors. Better make sure you have the safety on or Darwin may claim another victim.
And who do your private sector ‘Gods of Industry’ answer to?
“Most people agree that the national health reform law passed in 2010 ushers in a new era in American health care.” “Most” huh? If you say so. WOW, not even pretending to be impartial anymore. Way to go BDN babbling ids.
I wonder if Church affiliated healthcare providers will vet their employees and limit employment to Church members only, or maybe limit treatment to Church members only. People could join the club and be given club benefits. Just like Sam’s Club. It seems that they too have some objections to certain provisions.
And again the arguement for Public Option is made. Everytime the rightwing extremist’s start crying about the boogeyman of Obamacare they mysteriously fail to produce any workable option that can be substituted. Simply crying and whining does not solve the problem. If you want to gripe, fine. But have an alternative to show how the goal can be achieved. Anything else is just whining for a media sound bite for the news media’s show’s. And that helps no one.
Universal healthcare for all, now.
This boondoggle is mind boggling. There is no way this bill could have been written in the short time frame and be error free. There is no way this reform could have been written with the consumer best intentions. It is a socialist knee jerk reaction and will fail. That is very unfortunate because I believe the democrats wanted to do something good but just were not educated in writing a good documented bill, equipped with the resources and people needed to do that and have far too little knowledge of the subject ie. healthcare industry to do it right. It is like Wilt Chamberlain trying to explain to Tom Brady how to throw a football.
A fundamental flaw with Obamacare is that we all must suffer in order to cover those without coverage. The vast majority of Americans already has health insurance. Just cover those who do not. The reason the US is one of the countries without universal healthcare is that our population is much larger than many of those other countries. This will bankrupt the USA. But, with all the people who these days have their hands out, there are not many people who understand what this will actually do. It won’t be pretty.
It is not heath care nor reform when the people are FORCED to pay when they do not want it. Nothing more then another entitlement program.