DOVER, N.H. — Local experts say Portsmouth Naval Shipyard could again be threatened by closure, despite best efforts by legislators from New Hampshire and Maine to avoid two more rounds of Base Realignment and Closure in Washington.

On Feb. 15, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta urged Congress to undo an automatic $500 billion cut to defense spending scheduled to take effect next year, and also made his case for two new rounds of military base realignments and closures.

In order to close or consolidate military bases in the United States legislation from Congress is required to create a bipartisan Base Closure and Realignment Commission, which then studies the problem and makes recommendations to the president and the defense secretary.

The new requests would seek authorization for the first BRAC in 2013, to be followed by another in 2015. The two new rounds of closures are predicted to reap savings in five to eight years, but would cost money up front.

The most recent round of BRAC took place in 2005. Portsmouth Naval Shipyard was among numerous bases considered for closure but was ultimately removed from the list. The 2005 BRAC was the largest ever with 190 closures and realignments. Those changes were just completed this past fall.

Also in 2005, the BRAC commission recommended the Pentagon begin its next round of base closures in 2015.

Panetta’s proposal is a $525.4 billion base budget plus $88.5 billion for overseas contingency operations. The budget includes reductions upward of $487 billion in defense spending cuts over 10 years mandated by the Budget Control Act, which Congress passed last year.

The number is based on a cap on security spending, which is set at $686 billion for 2013. That money has to cover funding for the Defense Department as well as the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Veterans Affairs.

But the budget doesn’t account for more than $500 billion in additional cuts that will take effect early next year if Congress doesn’t act to stop it.

The additional cuts, called “sequestration,” were written into the Budget Control Act as automatic, across-the-board cuts to the federal budget if members of the congressional supercommittee did not agree on spending cuts by a November deadline of last year, which they didn’t.

Lawmakers have pushed back against the proposal of another BRAC, citing a U.S. Government Accountability Office report stating the most recent BRAC has reaped far less savings than initially predicted while the cost to close and consolidate bases has been greater.

“To date, the 2005 BRAC process has not delivered the savings it promised,” said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, in a email statement on Friday. “A 2010 GAO report found the costs associated with the previous round were 50 percent greater than DOD’s original estimate and it will not begin to reap savings until 2018. In addition, I am hesitant to accept the Department’s proposition that additional savings can be achieved through another round when DOD remains the only federal department that cannot provide audit-ready financial statements — much less financial statements that achieve a clean audit review. Until it is clear that the savings from the 2005 BRAC have fully materialized, DOD provides Congress its overdue clean financial audit, and DOD completes a review of overseas bases, it would be premature to consider a BRAC Round.”

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., echoed Collins’ sentiment.

“The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard is a critical component of our nation’s security and its workers are the best in the nation at what they do. Right now we are in the middle of reviewing our entire military structure. Any decision on a new round of BRAC is premature until we’ve gone through that process. Going through the process right now doesn’t make sense.”

But options may be limited when it comes to finding savings within the Department of Defense’s budget.

And at a meeting with the House Armed Services Committee on Thursday, Dorothy Robyn, deputy undersecretary of defense for installations and environment, stated the Department of Defense could use existing powers to close some installations, without the requirement of the BRAC process, which forces the Defense Department to assist communities affected by closings.

Dante Scala, professor of political science with the University of New Hampshire, said Congress could be faced with some difficult decisions in the not too distant future.

“Once the economy gets back on track, deficit reduction is a big issue that Congress will need to address,” he said. “Something’s got to give. One option is to let the Bush tax cuts expire or entitlement reform. So you have higher taxes, at least for some, entitlement reform, and if you’re not going to take that on defense is a big thing.”

And when it comes to defense spending, there are limits there as well.

Sen. Jeb Bradley, R-Wolfeboro, was part of the New Hampshire-Maine delegation during the 2005 BRAC. He said when it comes to defense spending cuts, the options are few.

“With the budget deal that was put together to authorize the debt extension and the automatic sequestration, that’s about $1.2 trillion and half of that, as I recall, is defense spending. Unless Congress comes in and changes that what you have with a military budget is payroll reduction, reductions in benefits, to say nothing of weapons systems and then a BRAC round.”

Bradley said the current group of representatives from New Hampshire and Maine may have a more difficult time keeping a BRAC from happening after the number of closures that took place following 2005. Fewer bases potentially means fewer Congress members with skin in the game.

“Looking at it, there were a lot of bases that were closed in the last BRAC round,” he said “For members of Congress that still have a base in their district there’s some trepidation. But every time you lose a base you potentially lose a supporter for preventing another BRAC. If I’m not representing one of those districts I’d only be looking at the overall picture. I think Portsmouth better be ready for another round of having to fight this.”

Bradley said the shipyard remains viable for closure because the Navy has continued to argue it can continue its level of service with three submarine yards rather than four.

Portsmouth is no stranger to the BRAC process.

It was the 1988 BRAC that brought Pease Air Force Base to its end. What followed was a deep economic recession for the region.
N.H. Department of Revenue and Economic Development Commissioner George Bald said comparing the closing of Pease to a potential loss of the shipyard is comparing apples to oranges.

When Pease closed the thousand of Air Force personnel continued to have jobs. They packed their bags and moved on to other assignments, in the process flooding an already weakened housing market with a glut of empty domiciles.

“For the city of Portsmouth, it decimated their school system,” said Bald. “There were a number of teachers that were laid off. They certainly had great difficulties. We look at Pease now and think, ‘this is great,’ but there was 10 years of pain before that.”
Bald said the closing of the shipyard would be even more devastating to the region, as those who work there also live throughout the region.

“If you close the Navy yard those people are all going to lose their jobs,” he said. “It would certainly put the pressure on the community to have that much revenue evaporate. Those people would still be in the community and still have great needs. It would be far more destructive [than Pease].”

When asked if the recent investment of $38 million in infrastructure improvements to the shipyard by the Navy takes Portsmouth Naval Shipyard out of the gunsights of a potential BRAC Bradley was matter of fact:

“Not at all,” he said.

A recent report by the Aurora Sentinel in Aurora, Colo., confirms Bradley’s statement.

The Aurora paper cited the Fitzsimons Army Medical Center had received millions of dollars in infrastructure improvements leading up to 1995, the year the hospital was closed by a BRAC.

When it comes to the BRAC process, Bradley said the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the New Hampshire-Maine delegation to prove the value of Portsmouth Naval Shipyard to the committee.

“All the support, the people lining Route 1 when BRAC came here and the yellow T-shirt brigade that went to Boston, what it’s going to come down to is a hard analysis of the numbers,” he said. “Public support is nice, but it did not sway a single BRAC commissioner. The federal delegation has got to deliver. It’s not going to be public support. It’s not going to be about 5,000 jobs lost in Maine and New Hampshire. They’re looking at this on a national level. You’re going to have to show that you’re the most cost effective and that it’s vital to have four [submarine yards].”

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  1. It might be good to realize that the Portsmouth facility could be used for better objectives within the private sector.  For example, the national public work infrastructure has to be upgraded.  The facility could be used to modernize the marine construction and transportation industry while reducing our support of the military-industrial complex.  Loring and Pease are good examples of utilizing a military infrastructure for economic development.  Our emphasis should be placed on making a transition instead of defending an operation with limited and disproportionate value.  Submarines and other military vessels could still be built at private facilities as an option to the maintenance of an inefficient government operation.   Government and the military empire are too large under present economic and international conditions.

    1. Loring as an example.  Oh yes the County hasn’t skipped a beat since it closed.  Things are booming and everyone is rolling in the cash.  The LDA has worked hard but it can not be called an example of economic development.  As a matter of fact its two most successful tenants are military related, DFAS and the humvee repair facility, both which have been on the cutting block previously.  You can try but you will never replace a closed military base which is a major employer and community consumer with small business.  Presque Isle Industrial Center is the poster child for the  long term failure of your plan and a prime example of wasted effort and money.  If the Community College hadn’t fallen in their lap it would be dismal, even the airport is continual begfest to keep open.  Close it and they won’t come! 

      1. Loring is just too far away.  That’s a sad fact.  Transportation costs alone moving goods to and from the County is a big problem.

        Pease is another story and shows the potential.  But moving Portsmouth to the private sector will not be easy and will take many years.  Portsmouth is a beautiful base and if anyone gets a chance to tour it they should.  What you see on TV and from the mainland does not do it justice. 

        It’s next best use will be residential, but that will not happen for a long, long time.

        1. Transportation costs are not as much of a problem as you have been led to believe…thats just an excuse. It stands to reason that it would cost a little more to bring things in and out of Loring, but that also depends on how you get here, the path you take to get it here, etc. On could say the same for other areas as well….certainly takes more to get something to California from Pennsylvania too, its isnt that easy as making that simple statement. Not to mention the fact that we are being sucked dry with transportation costs within our own households and why? Because they can. Its as simple as that.

      2. Agreed,
        And this is a wonderful deepwater facility. The big problem will be once the EPA has access to the base for a walk thru. I spent 4 years there as a reservist, and unfortunately the Portsmouth facility is going to become a giant superfund cleanup sight if it ever goes civilian.

        1. Actually, the currents make it a dangerous port . 
          No one who can avoid it moves anything bigger than a fishing boat except at slack high water. . 

          John Paul Jones used that to his advantage, though. 

          But your other point is a great one. 
          After more than 200 years of doing government work… two hundred years of scrapping military spec anti-fouling paint off Naval ship’s bottoms… never mind all the old asbestos lagging that they would have used as land fill from as soon as ships had stream engines … then radiation … talk of it being put to any  civilian use is just ridiculousness. 

          That place is a pot of goo that you do not want to stir up. 
          A smart local government would  focus on the fact that it has been a Federal Reservation from before the State of Maine existed, so if the Feds close it, they must clean it up, because no one else will ever be able to do anything but declare it a dead zone. 

          What that would do is make it too dang expensive for even the Federal Government to consider abandoning it because of their own environmental standards making that too expense.    Win win. 

          And before anyone says I’m cold blooded about the workers, they know. 
          They accept the risk because of the pay and patriotism, too.

          In fact, I have heard just those health risk points discussed at length when I hired on, short term,  as a rigger with an outside contractor.  The sons and daughters of Yard workers said I was nuts because their Dads made them swear not to go into the Yard.

      3. As someone who lives in the area of Loring, yes, the LDA tries very hard. There are still companies that close that tried tenancy there that are not necessarily affiliated with the government. The sad fact is that the buildings are falling apart, the roads are not maintained that well. The local economies (local in this case means also the surrounding towns clear to Houlton and Ft. Kent) are dying a slow and painful death. The only things that have been able to maintain a strong foothold are gas stations and convenience stores. More and more houses are falling into disrepair. And a BRAC round can affect this area again as there are agencies here that were on the block the last time and were left open by the skin of their teeth. The person who states that we have overseas bases that could close is dead on, really, except for the fact that we maintain a military precence for various reasons not normally on the mind of the American public. That doesnt mean it isnt one of the ‘right’ answers, either. Nothing will change until we stop arguing and finger pointing amongst ourselves, and instead say ‘forget about it – how do we fix this moving forward?’ Until we as a nation get to that point, nothing will be better. Much time, energy, and money is spent on placing the blame, rather than fixing the problem. We do it as a society from sitting in our living room right up through our high officials, evidenced with many of the commentators arguing and pointing fingers at state and federal officials on this site, and to any article. If you want to be part of the solution, instead of looking for who to blame, make suggestions on how to fix it without pointing the finger. No-one ever got anywhere pointing their finger and doing nothing..and these comments are not directed at ‘MyThought’, i agree with what that person said above.

      4. Unfortunately the MMA has fallen on hard times also.  They have laid off at least half of their workforce for a lack of contracts to support the once 300 personel.  As stated in the article the DOD has not been able to provide clean audit reports.  DFAS is the DOD’s accounting arm if they can’t cut the mustard how long are they going to be there.  There a lot more to this naturally but this just touches the surface.  As the DOD shrinks in size so must all of the support services.  This will be interesting to watch.

    2. But it is good to remember where the birthplace of US Navy is, too. 
      Tradition used to be important to the Navy and Americans . 

  2. No problem. Now that Mr. LePage is all done working on the folks up in Millinocket he’s got plenty of time to go on down to Washington and use his Marden’s Wheeling Dealing skills on Leon Panetta. That would be an interesting meeting of the minds, eh? Hey Paul, tell him you’ll give him a lighthouse in Augusta. Yah-yah-yah, that’s the ticket!

    1. God, do you ever let it go?   Since this is a Co-State issue, I’m sure you’ll be spitting your venom equally at Democrat Governor John Lynch? 
       That’s you StillRelaxin, the “Straight Shooter”… Yeah right!

      1. Let me get this straight. You’d like me to let lying government officials go and it would please you if I didn’t ever mention that they are liars again. Is that about right? What exactly does that say about what kind of government you want and what kind of person (Unlike you, I’m trying to avoid making presumptions here) you might be? Are you actually offering up Governor John Lynch as an equal or bigger liar than Paul Richard LePage? Now that’s a hoot!

    1. Defense spending is up under Obama.  The $500B cut was the deal made by the T-Party for last year’s debt increase.   Remember the super-committee?

      1. This something you are going to have to supply data for. I did some quick google and found $500 billion in defense “cuts” over the next ten years coming out of the super committee.  Source please?

        1. Did you ever notice with the Obama folks that nothing is ever his fault or the present reality is just a state of mind? Gas prices too high, “Its speculators”. Deficits up, “It’s President Bush’s fault”. Iran building a nuke?,  “The previous administration was hated by Muslims”. “Defense spending to be cut and Maine to lose jobs? “Obama spends MORE in 2012 than Bush”.

          It’s laughable.

          1. That is reasoning of people who think you can balance AND cut taxes ? 

            Of course. 
            It can’t be their fault.  

          2. Did you ever notice that with the Conservative folks that everything is Obama’s fault and nothing is the Conservatives fault ? The Conservatives/Republicans have been in the White House for 20 of the last 32 years.Conservatives/Republicans have also been the Majority party in the House for 14 of the last 18 years. I guess we know where to lay the blame now….Don’t we !

          3. Republicans shifted to gas prices when the economy and stock market started improving.  They’re desperate.

            What was the stock market at when Bush left the Presidency, again?

          4. Real inflation is high (federal inflation excludes gas and food prices), real unemployment is high,  wages are flat, those receiving food stamps are at an all-time high, debt is at an all-time high, deficit spending is at an all-time high, and Geithner said we need to increase the debt ceiling again in about a year (aka impose another tax on retirees, the poor, and those with fixed incomes).  I suppose times are really good and I just have my head in the sand.

        2. From Freedom works (no supporter of Obama BTW)

          “Current military spending is higher than at any time in our entire history. The Pentagon budget for 2010 was $693 billion—more than all other discretionary spending programs combined. That’s nearly half of all military spending on earth. Military spending has doubled over the past decade when adjusted for inflation. Under President Bush, military spending averaged 3.9 percent of Gross Domestic Product. It has increased to 4.9 percent—a full percentage point higher under President Obama.”

          Lot’s more.  Do the research.

          1. You claimed that defense spending was up under Obama… now  its as a percentage of GDP… do you have actual comparative numbers ? It would be nice if you could provide the annual numbers that you claimed supported your position in your initial post.

          2.  That is not the answer to the question I asked in your initial post. You are now answering questions I didn’t ask.

          3. Yes.  I did.  I stated defense spending is higher under Obama and it is.  Whether as a % of GDP or $$.  It is higher.  I supplied hard numbers and real data.

            The $500B cut over ten years came from the deal that created the super committee and those cuts have not happened yet.

            I can see no answer will meet your “standard”.  Reply if you want, but this string ends now. 

          4. You’re smart to give up on that particular person–his/her goal is mainly to be a pest.  Thanks for your great posts, I saved some of the info.

          5. Simply give me two years comparison. Why is that so hard?

            The fact is if you line up the two most recent years you would be wrong? Why no comparison??

          6. Most everyone in here is familiar with your tactics by now–the abuse, the obfuscation, the lack of arguments, the lack of references.  You’re not helping your position.

          7.  I made no statement to give references for. I am asking for someone else to back up their data. No hard numbers. Simply numbers for one year without comparisons to other years.
            That really doesn’t tell me much.

          8. You want back up, but no hard numbers?  Do you see how stupid and silly that sounds?

            I am breaking my rule not to engage with trouble-makers, but SpruceDweller (with whom I often disagree, but respect and learn from) is right.  You only seek to muddle things and have nothing to offer.

            Nothing.  That is the saddest commentary of all.

          9. Well put and thank you for the feedback.  I appreciate many of your posts as well.  Have a good night.

        3. Can I have your google links please? I’ve noticed you often ask others for links and almost never supply your own.

          1. As much as I hate that sort of arrogance, it needs to encouraged … until November, so. 

            Great comment , Cheesecakes. 
            I liked it. 
            Everyone who understands why I did should, too. 
             

        1. You’re wrong.

          The article you refer to says US military funding is down because we are
          withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan, and it does not distinguish between
          Obama and the Super Committee–

          a Committee which was forced into existence because the Republicans didn’t want to pay our debts.  Many of them even said default would be a good thing.

          Also, US military spending is at an all time high.

          1. Republican’s didn’t want those who work to payoff the debts by those that don’t.  Problem is there’s too many not paying into the system.  If the government took all the wealth for the 100 richest Americans it would only cover the expenditures for a few months.

          2. The US government made a promise to pay, including the Republicans.  They when it came time to pay, the Republicans wanted to default (not raise the debt ceiling).

            Try to get your contexts right.

          3. Why? According to you two months ago  the Occupiers are peaceful, law abiding citizens who are trying to make the 1% pay their fair share. So where is the slander..lol.

          4.  Yes…the Obama budget in 2012-2013 actually increases military spending while simultaneously cutting it. It’s a MIRACLE!

        1. What facts? 

          This article talks about spending cuts, not actually spending.  Under Obama it has increased.  Do the homework.

          BTW, spending “cuts” in Washington often means asking for more and accepting less, but still coming out ahead.

      2. No, the autocuts were made fiat through the bipartisan process of knuckleheaded compromise.

    2.  Didn’t Fox News send you the memo ? 13% of the federal budget goes to welfare 25% goes to defense. I think you may have your numbers backwards my friend.

      1. Wat has that to do with how much Obama is spending on defense year over year. Get your head in the game liberals or get out and watch the daisies grow.

        1. Not a Liberal and if you don’t get what that has to do with it…. maybe you should re-read the thread.

        1. No they are not. Are you watching Fox News ? That is the biggest bull**it link I have ever clicked on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

          1. While I am not watching Fox News right now, it is one of the few networks that you will actually hear news and not left wing spin. Your inability to comprehend budget numbers is a handicap in any rational discussion of the issues. Perhaps the Census Bureau data can help you out of your liberal blindness.

            Medical care alone exceeds total defense spending.

            http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/federal_govt_finances_employment/federal_budget–receipts_outlays_and_debt.html

          2. You are correct, you will not hear any left wing spin on Fox News. You also won’t hear anything except RIGHT wing spin. Futhermore my grandaughter could put up a more convincing web site than http://www.census.gov/compendi… and she is only seven years old ! Do you really think that the links you are posting are official government websites ? If you do I am praying for you! You can fool the people that watch Fox News but you can’t fool the people who don’t !
            FOX NEWS “WE DECEIVE AND YOU BELIEVE”

            PS. Why on earth would the “census bureau” be reporting on the federal budget ? Please let me know……I would love to hear the answer !!! 

  3. We have bases all over the world that are not necessary, only open because of inertia. Bases in Italy, Germany, Korea, Iceland… can we save a couple hundred million dollars and close those instead of the only Navy base in New England? “Defend our citizens and borders” as mandated in the Constitution has turned into “defend all borders and people except our own.” 

    1.  You may misunderstand what the true military posture of the US is under Obama. Sec Def Panetta recently said that certain foreign legal entities, NATO & Arab league for instance, have more power to wage war using our troops than the US Congress.

      1. the ” Arab league for instance, have more power to wage war using our troops than the US Congress.”

        And THAT is Pres. Obama’s fault ? 
        ROFTLOL.

          1. You just look silly denying that GW Bush was your conservative choice for POTUS and acting like his actions are not the cause of much of our mess. 

          2.  Obviously you missed Sec of Defense Panetta’s comments. The comment were on he legal basis for war. That has nothing to do with past administrations. Nothing at all.

            What Panetta now says is that THE US CONGRESS is the third in line to decide when we go to war.

            1) President
            2) foreign legal entity such as NATO & the Arab league
            3) US Congress

            That is against the Constitution.

            hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNwOeyuG84

          3.  On Wednesday, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs of
            Staff Chairman General Martin Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services
            Committee that the Obama administration would seek “international permission”
            before engaging in war in Syria. Besides the possibility that it is
            merely a ruse — as there is growing evidence that the United States may
            already be covertly involved in Syria’s war — for the United States to
            seek permission from other nations to go to war is unconstitutional. For
            that reason, Representative Walter Jones (R-N.C., left) has just
            introduced House Concurrent Resolution 107, calling for the impeachment
            of the President if he declares war without congressional approval.

          4. Even if the reasons for them are more clear than several wars we have had in the recent past, I support the POTUS avoiding wars we don’t need and can’t win. 

            It is a refreshing change.

          5.  Let me get this right…”refreshing change” = giving the power for the US to wage war over to a foreign government. Just want to be clear on your position.

          6. So what IS your position on Panetta’s comments? After all that was the topic you responded to still without addressing.

          7. It’s my position on useless wars that we can’t win.  

            I have already implied, so I’ll say it out loud so even you can’t miss it, that it was Bush’s doing.

            Remember the photo of him hold hands with the Saudi Prince ?

            But you conservatives need to ignore and wish you could forget about his ever being your man, don’t you ?

      2. Give us a link showing its Obama’s fault.  I’ve noticed you rarely supply links.  It would help your case if you did.

        1. Panetta is Obama’s Secr of Defense. Are you going to suggest he is working as a lone wolf in the administration?

  4. Only bitter clingers who love their country join the Navy, why would Obama care about them.

    1. Such hatred has no place in a rational discussion. 
      AND this is all a result of that kind of hatred electing the 2010  Congress. 

  5. bath iron works is definitely on the block. navy pulling back to its own yards. doubt if biw will survive to the end of 2012 unless bath can find work from non government sources.

      1. good question disqusbites. tables seem to be turned from the 80s when we bankrupt the russians via arms race. now the chinese seem to be winning that  game.  plus they are really pushing the militarization of outer space. and our soldiers nowadays are making enemies all over the place by their juvinile actions.  to put it mildly, our goose is really cooked.

      2. Just an FYI, our Navy is larger that the next 13 country’s COMBINED. I think China would have to build a lot of ships to even come close

        1. The Chinese navy launched its first Aircraft carrier this past August. The second and a more powerfull one comes on line with a carrier battle group next year. There are two more in the initial phases of construction. There are suspicions/intelligence that by 2020 the Chinese navy will have 4-6 Carrier battle groups. Yes we would still have twice as much… but they would be older. (we decommissioned an Aircaft Carrier this past week and there are plans to do to more.)

          The issue is not comparative sizes of navies but instead how the navies are employed.
          The South China Sea would be a flash point…for potential conflict.. with China already claiming that they have the right to control transit in that vital area.

        2. Stop living in the past. What we currently have needs to be maintained, improved and replaced when needed.

        3. according to the usni proceedings last fall, 2/3 of navy not available for immediate duty: drydock, laid up(not same as drydock), insufficient crew, and “unavailable” (catchall).  the old lehman 600 ship navy is a ghost. now plans are being drafted for a 60 ship navy using “support” facilities(private) to do the heavy lifting of fueling, cargo transport, etc. modern warfare makes a modern navy a sitting duck. argentina learned that the hard way. think old wooden frigates should make a comeback. very “green”.

    1.  Please do research before commenting. BIW is a private company and isn’t subject to rounds of base closings. Portsmouth is on the chopping block, not BIW.

      1. yes, i know biw is private. also know it survives on navy contracts and the navy is cutting back on private contracts in order to protect its own yards. just so much money to spend and the navy has decided to spend it in their yards, not the private sector yards(except some in the gulf states).
        the plan is to keep portsmouth by shifting biw’s contract work to portsmouth.  at least that is what the new hampshire delegation is pushing. when i said biw is on the chopping block i meant it is going to loose future navy contracts and will close down unless it can shift over to private sector contracts to keep going. that is highly doubtful.

        1.  Where are you getting your information? I ask this because you’re off base (pardon the pun). BIW builds ships. Portsmouth repairs and remodels ships. Two different things. They don’t have the capability to build ships. They couldn’t take contracts from Bath if they tried. I’ve been working at BIW for almost 24 years now, so I think I have just a bit more authority over you. Move along, troll.

          1. You better hope you can continue your job to retirement and stop voting for your family’s enemies.

          2. guess your looking at a different navy budget than i am.  their new ship budget is being slashed and the n.h. congressional herd is floating the notion of upgrading portsmouth yard for construction. basically saying it would be cheaper to build inhouse than contract out.  there is also a north-south split to the issue, and the notion of keeping biw alive “just in case” by throwing it some contracts to keep it going. since you know so much, you obviously remember todd shipyards. same situation, most likely the same results.

          3. The North/South split will have a huge impact on whether anything at all remains in the north. Moreso than any other factor.

          4. biw has a great reputation for quality. but the gulf area is cheaper and with lots of political clout.
            plus the northeast has a long reputation of shipyard closures. use to work for general dynamics when they had the quincy yard. one of the best yards in the world. the south won.

      2. Jesus Humberto Gonzales!!! BIW only exists because of Navy contracts. Slash those construction assets and BIW goes down the tubes as well.

  6. If revenues were at 18-20% of GDP we wouldn’t have a problem.

     With revenues at 14-16% of GDP we have to lower expenses and defense/offense spending is where the money is.

    1. Probably this is one reason she is getting out as without a doubt she would be expected by the short sighted democrats to shoulder the blame for its closing.  By the timing of this announcement and the anouncement she had to know it was coming.

  7. Politicians are the
    only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against
    them.
    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans
    are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
    Have you ever wondered, if
    all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have
    inflation and high taxes?
    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The
    President does.
    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote
    on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
    You and I don’t
    write the tax code, Congress does.
    You and I don’t set fiscal policy,
    Congress does.
    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal
    Reserve Bank does.
    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President,
    and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300
    million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the
    domestic problems that plague this country.
    I excluded the members of the
    Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913,
    Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a
    federally chartered, but private, central bank.
    I excluded all the
    special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal
    authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a
    President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a
    politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or
    reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s
    responsibility to determine how he votes.
    Those 545 human beings spend
    much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They
    cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
    What separates a
    politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal
    human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the
    President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He
    cannot force the Congress to accept it.
    The Constitution, which is the
    supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of
    Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is
    the speaker of the House? John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party.
    He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they
    want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree
    to.
    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot
    replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence
    and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not
    traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth
    that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must
    follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
    If the tax code is
    unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
    If the budget is in the red,
    it’s because they want it in the red.
    If the Army & Marines are in
    Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement
    plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that
    way.
    There are no insoluble government problems.
    Do not let these
    545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they
    can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to
    regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take
    this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists
    disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that
    prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
    Those 545 people,
    and they alone, are responsible.
    They, and they alone, have the
    power.
    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who
    are their bosses.
    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their
    own employees…
    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up
    their mess!

      1. I agree, but do have to point out that the one reason this is happening is the 
        Nation Defense, sacred cow. 

        The reason the PNY is an environment disaster is due to the price paid for every war, dare I suggest,  since The Revolutionary War ?

        When Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Norfork were in enemy hands it was  the US Navy’s redoubt . 

        It is part of America’s military infrastructure, still, because today, like in 1800 :  

        “Another Piscataqua advantage, according to the official 1798 government report, was the abundance of skilled craftsmen already living in the area. That’s because Piscataqua shipbuilders had already been making warships for the government for over a century ­ the English king, that is.”  

        http://www.seacoastnh.com/Maritime_History/The_Shipyard/A_Short_History_of_Portsmouth_Naval_Shipyard/

    1. And I am letting you know that I just copied and pasted your post to a file and it will be reused by me at some point. More than once I am sure.
      Very well written. Both parties are at fault for our messes, both past present, and unfortunately future.

    2. Douglas Adams was a very smart man.

      “The major problem—one
      of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems
      with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who
      manages to get people to let them do it to them.
      To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want
      to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
      To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made
      President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
      ― Douglas

  8. It is much easier for the enemy to eliminate us if all our ships are in one port so to speak rather than spread out, also much easier to control the economy when there is no competition, WE THE PEOPLE MUST STAND UP FOR OUR NATION folks, we need to eliminate our current president and his administration and protect our country and its legal citizens. We need strategic defensive points throughout the country not in one centralized area and we need to have our politicans quit lining the pockets of their friends and associates!

    1. We need strategic defensive points throughout the country not in one centralized area and we need to have our politicans quit…. ” 

      We need to be willing  to pay for them, too. 

      Don’t compromise common sense and everyone else’s patriotism 
       just because you people will not ever compromise on taxes. 

    2. Need to remove the President and his administration? You may want to re- read the story.
      The base closures were ordered in 2005. Obama became President in 2008. Bush was the President in 2005, so your blame might be a bit off

      1. Your premise is wrong. You might want to re-read the story. An entirely new BRAC is required in order to complete this and is being driven by the Obama administration’s dramatic slashing of defense spending.

  9. I’m all for base closures if we start overseas first. So many people were against permanent bases in Iraq, but have no problem with bases in Germany, Japan, Korea, Bosnia, etc..

  10. Instead of putting blame on the President, I think the question is why are we closing bases all over our country, yet we keep bases in Germany and Japan, left overs of  WWII.
     The money spent on these bases should be spent in the U.S.
    We lease the land from other countries, spend billions on the upkeep,spend more to get our military persons to the location, so they can spend their pay in another country.
    I would rather see the bases here reopen and those military pay dollars spent on our own economy.

  11. Portsmouth will be closed. The replacement base will be built overseas and the jobs lost to foreigners. Your government at work.

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