Eyes are open
As a concerned Glenburn taxpayer, parent and member of “Friends of Glenburn School,” I would like to address Superintendent Doug Smith’s comment that the effort to pursue Glenburn’s withdrawal from RSU 26 is “emotionally driven.” The residents of Glenburn are fiscally responsible, intelligent people who recognize that it is not advantageous for us to continue our involvement in the RSU. This is in light of the fact that the Maine Legislature has repealed all penalties for not belonging to an RSU.
Recent budget discussions over the past several weeks have focused on reductions in state and federal subsidies and cost increases directly attributable to the RSU. As a result, Glenburn, Orono and Veazie were asked to see where they could trim their budgets — in Glenburn, this resulted in significant proposed cuts to faculty and services for our children. More state subsidy is good news for the RSU, however, it looks likely that it won’t be used to address most of these cuts in Glenburn. While Mr. Smith may see this as an emotionally charged topic, the fact is that we have lost oversight into fiscal matters relative to our school and we realize that it is detrimental to our educational system.
I would argue that the group of people who are representing this effort have worked hard to gather the facts. Our eyes are indeed open and we are embracing the challenge of facilitating change for the greater good of our school, our children and our community.
Donna Cotton
Glenburn
Ban the bag
We are facing a global epidemic which is wreaking havoc on the planet and its inhabitants indiscriminately. The collective human consciousness is decidedly uncluttered by thoughts of the before, during and after repercussions of our blind consumption, yet the evidence abounds in waterways, on beaches, in our parks and streets, in trees and in the stumps where trees once stood.
Americans dispose of approximately 100 billion plastic shopping bags each year, the manufacturing of which requires some 12 million barrels of nonrenewable petroleum oil, costing over $500 million and creating 300,000 tons of landfill waste.
They are a blight on society, leaching toxins into our environment and killing an estimated 100,000 marine animals each year. Every square mile of ocean contains approximately 46,000 pieces of floating plastic, which act as sponges for toxic chemicals, are ingested by unsuspecting sea life and introduced into the food chain.
Paper is hardly a better solution. An estimated 14 million trees are felled each year to make the 10 billion paper bags consumed by the American public, destroying wildlife habitat and drastically compromising soil, air and water quality.
For being so elusive, the solution is simple: reusable bags. We’ve convinced ourselves that we need only to throw something away in order for it to be gone, but there is no “away.” Restrictions and bans on disposable bags have been effectively implemented in 25 percent of the world’s countries. You can make it happen here by signing and sharing the full petition at www.change.org/petitions/maine-ban-the-bag.
Rebecca Tripp
Searsport
Language lesson
I’ve been reading about lexicology and how meanings of words can change over time. A living room was once a lounge or parlor, but now those words are associated with alcohol and tattoos.
Last week’s news told me how outdated my vocabulary is. There were once several suitable words to call an elected official, who, without a second thought, voted to plunge our country into unnecessary wars that left thousands of crying orphans, widows and amputees in its wake. In today’s lexicon, this official is called a “moderate.” Both wars continue to bankrupt the nation, so the term “fiscal conservative” is also used.
Another example of a modern definition adjustment is the term for a person who has sworn to defend the Constitution but, instead, defends the giant corporation that spies on Americans and violates that Constitution. That person, whose self-defense is, “What could they do? The president told them to!” is now called a “sensible centrist.”
So, listen to the politicians and their media-repeated talking points and you can avoid the steep learning curve I had.
Carole Whelan
Military Families Speak Out
Hope
Rush’s radio connections
A letter writer suggested recently in the BDN that it might be a better idea to boycott the companies who keep employing these rabble-rouser hatemongers such as Rush Limbaugh as opposed to, or in addition to, withdrawing the advertisements in protest.
Interesting idea. The writer may have not been aware that the employer of Limbaugh is Clear Channel, which in turn owns Premier Radio Networks, both of which are owned by Bain Capital alongside other companies. That’s the company that Mitt Romney ran as CEO and from which he made his millions, and from which he is now a retired partner but continues to earns millions.
Clear Channel owns 850 radio stations across the nation and Premier Radio Networks syndicates the shows of Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, all archconservatives. So, the next time we hear that old saw “the media is owned by liberals,” I think not. Isn’t it curious that those who are often guilty of the very activity they project onto others are also the most vocal? Ah, the webs we humans weave in the grasp for power.
Nancy Nadzo
Bangor
Oppose Milbridge grant
At present time in Milbridge we have many, many very unhappy residents. We have the Milbridge High School building and the Alumni Hall Building that Mr. Lewis Pinkham, our town manager, and his selectmen want to destroy.
Both these buildings are in excellent shape and are in use right now. They want to build a new building that is only 5,000 square feet on our building’s site. Our two buildings are over 7,000 square feet. I and over 150 residents want to preserve these buildings, as they are the character of our town.
A town meeting was held and we were denied a chance to speak by the guy with the gavel. The vote was 110-93 in their favor. A rough count of total attendance was 300. What happened to the other voters?
We cannot afford the new building, at a cost of over $500,000. We want our surplus left alone. We don’t want the $200,000 grant in which the library is included. We want the library to be on its own. We can’t afford to pay their expenses any more. This is proven by our unpaid tax list.
Join with me and many other fellow residents in writing a letter to the Department of Economic and Community Development, 59 Statehouse Station, Augusta 04333, and tell them you are against the grant and why.
Dale Schevenieus
Milbridge



Nancy Nadzo: You’ve got ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NY Times, LA Times etc all espousing Leftist/Communist/Democratic Party rhetoric and only 1 FOX. Does that seem fair?
wrong and most of the radio stations and newspapers are run by the right wing misinformation machine too.
As usual, you and your ilk only have the capacity to lie. The Democrat’s ideal is to kill free speech they disagree with. DEMOCRATS=FASCISM
Anyone is free to speak about whatever they want. They don’t have the guaranteed right to be in the airwaves though. It all comes down to advertising.
“It all comes down to advertising” and keeping Democrats out of power …the Fairness Doctrine
Democrats do not lie. They know how to find the truth by searching for facts. That’s why they snicker at Fox and call it Faux. They know it’s propaganda.
WOW !
You’re serious aren’t you?
God help us!
Yes you could use help.
Okay, that first sentence is a bit of a stretch, no?
Yeah probably but it has a nice ring to it. Anyway, Democrats don’t lie to themselves
Yes, they do. They tell themselves all the time that what they are doing is for the “good” of the people. Then they see evidence that all their good intentions have made things worse for the people and they look away from the hard evidence to find “facts” that suit their preconceived ideas.
Democrats lie to the people and to themselves.
Get a grip man.
So if Republicans are the opposite of Democrats who lie to themselves that they are doing “good” for the country are right thinking, christian Republicans doing “bad ” for the country? LOL
Hmmm.. Republicans are Superfriends….Democrats are Bizarro World. That’s how I would put it. ;)
“Democrats do not lie”??????!! So, I guess Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, etc., aren’t really Democrats.
Considering that EJ is a liar himself, his comment is again about as worthless as his character.
Um…wasn’t Clinton impeached because of perjury?
Didn’t Bush lie to get us into Iraq?
According to the evidence it certainly looks as if Bush lied (some would say “misled” but let’s be blunt) about Iraq.
I believe that mssally was referring to public policy, not private lives.
Typical GOP supporter whatever they say is usually a lie and is just the opposite of reality. REPUBLICANS = INCOMPETENT ABUSERS OF POWER
You need to look up the word “fascism”. Then do some studying about fascist countries. Then be very happy you live in a country that is not one, even when the democrats are in control.
I get worried when the President assassinates American citizens without a trail or due process. I worry when my government forces me,under penalty of law, to purchase a commercial product. I get worried when people want to take people off the radio because of their opinions the Fairness Doctrine. All Democratic thoughts=all Facist thoughts
In which war in history, was it neccessary to Miranda an enemy combatant?
The problem is that when one American can have due process removed another can. It becomes easier.
I understand what you are saying and it is dangerous ground to tread upon. But the guy that joined El Quida (?) and tried to engeneer actions against American citizens left his simple criminality behind. He left this country, joined with the enemy, therefore he became an enemy combatant. Someone else claimed that he wasn’t on the field of battle. I disagree in that this particular enemy has declared the field of battle to be the world.
I hate that we are at war. I hate that too many young people are being sacrificed in the name of some ism. I would love to see the whole world make an honest attempt at trying to solve the very real problems that are going to affect the whole planet in the very near future. Problems that even the super rich are going to have to deal with. I highly doubt that I will live to see my dream come true.
In the meantime we are seemingly mired in Afghanistan with no clear reason to be there. The only mission that made sense was to go after Osama bin Ladden. That was done. Now we should get out of there and leave them to their 15th century country.
We felt in 2001, that perhaps the Patriot Act was necessary to protect us from the bad guys… (I objected at the time) but today we have a stronger more invasive Patriot Act than under George Bush. Is it necessary?? Is the TSA and their strong arm tactics necessary. (There are plans for them in bus and train stations with talk of expanding TSAs power to federal Highways. Is that necessary…? My point is the slope can get steep very very quickly. I’d rather we returned to a pre-2001 mentality but that is unlikely.
My stomach hurts over what Afghanistan conflict has become in recent years. We have unnecessarily put our troops n more danger than we needed to for political expediency.
Maybe its time.
Flat_lander, your readers are going to quickly see that you are a paid plant by the re-election team for President Obama, whose only purpose is to make readers of the BDN conclude that all right-wingers are lunatics disconnected from reality.
You need to dial your “conservatism” back so that people don’t immediately catch on to your true purpose.
Equating Democrats with fascism is like equating pigs with flying.
Symptoms of fascism.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
9. Power of corporations protected.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14.Fraudulent elections.
Sounds more like conservative rather than liberal
Many of your descriptions of Fascism could just as easily be described as symptoms of Communism. My quick list.
In fact 2,3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11,12, 13, 14 one could hardly tell the difference between Fascism and Communism and and or the journey to it.
Some important differences in the others.
1) Rampant internationalism over national law.
Example: Sec Def Panetta saying that it is not necessary to do anything but inform Congress of the decision to wage war but it is necessary to have an International organization’s ok for the US to do so.
8) Suppression by Communists and leftists of religion world wide.
Example: The current anti-religious fervor that seems to be sweeping the US left. Including the US government encroaching of religious dogma and how it may be delivered.
9) Corporations and the rights of property holders restricted, suppressed or eliminated.
It is instinct I guess to put political philosophies in a straight line, and I am as guilty of taking the easy road as anyone…
But consider for a moment the political spectrum as a circle rather than a line, with absolute freedom being one point and absolute totalitarianism on the opposite. When you get to the most heinous point there really is no effective difference between Communism and Fascism.
My fathers generation witnessed the death camps in Germany and mine the horror of Cambodia. Its really kind of hard to recognize the difference in a corpse killed by Nazis and one killed by Communists.
Interesting that you would lump together Communists with leftists. Please cite examples of actual religious suppression by non-Communist leftists.
8.) The American left is not trying to suppress religion, most Americans, both left and right, are religious. What counts as anti-religious fervor in the right’s eye is not letting religions discriminate freely based on their beliefs. No one is stopped from observing their religious beliefs in this country.
9.) One word, Citizen’s United. And in this state the new “Takings law that is being debated in Maine. Again, corporations and property holders are not being restricted unnecessarily, suppressed or eliminated. Corporations, being good citizen’s, do have to follow rules and regulations but that does not mean they are being restricted.
And, anyway I was responding to Flat_lander who equated Democrats with Fascists. Any extreme politcal philosophy is wrong. I happen to believe more in the circle of political thought as opposed to the left/right philosophy. If you go left far enough or righ far enough they will meet up at the opposote of personal and political freedom.
If you have to make tangential leaps in order to make some offensive suggestion, your claim is probably garbage. Democrats have not push the party to the far left, they have not been pushing far-left policies, so to jump from moderate to fringe to communist is ridiculous and baseless.
There is no denying that Republicans have moved very far to the right in recent years. To claim there is an equivalent occurrence happening on the left requires ignoring reality.
Is that why Fox comes up with the “BIG LIES”? Following are just a few–1. Mass. health care is wildly unpopular. 2.Obama has created more debt than all other presidents combined. 3. Obamacare has death panels. 4. Halting Gulf drilling costs $5 billion dollars a day. 5. Democrats plan the largest tax increase in history. 6. Eric Holder dismissed charges against the Black Panthers. 7. America is the only country with citizenship upon birth. 8. Your going to jail if you don’t buy insurance.
By the way by any chance have you received the information from Mr. Trump concerning the so called fake birth certificate? If it was in the papers I missed it.
Fox News also thinks Obama is a Muslin, communist, fascist, born in Kenya, pals around with terrorists and has been on an apology tour to every country in the world.
Thank god Fox is not the only station this would be a very misinformed country.
There are many more Liberal media outlets than conservative. Problem that you had with Air America is that only anti-American Liberals enjoy hearing America get trashed hour after hour.
Liberal media brings us lies about the Gay Gene, Global Warming, the relevance of OWS, the dangers of GM foods etc.
Show me one conservative newspaper in Maine, Mass, VT?
Flat: When the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
and when you look using only one eye you you can’t see past thje surface. The Left will never listen to any other perspectives other than their own.
Flat, you keep saying the same old tired thing: the left will never listen…blah blah blah. You get factual responses here rebutting your uninformed opinion but never come back with your supposed facts, just, “you won’t listen”, “leftist nonsense” etc etc. Methinks it’s you who is not doing the listening. If you are in search of the truth, you maybe should tune into something more balanced than FOX. Give it a chance, you might open your eyes and think from an informed stance instead of a prejudged one.
Why on earth would you call Global Warming a lie, when there’s so much science to support it? Are you an expert in the field and know things that the majority of the scientific community doesn’t?
Or is something a lie simply because it doesn’t agree with the conservative narrative you follow?
People freezing to death with record cold temps
If you do some reading about so-called Global Warming, or Global Climate Change (as is more accurate), you’ll see that it’s about extremes in weather. I’m certainly no expert in the field, but the reports I’ve read over the years are fascinating. It helps to set political leanings aside when approaching the topic.
Conservative newspapers- Boston Herald–Union Leader, NH–Aroostook Republican
Re: Liberal media lies, I have never heard the term gay gene, that said I really find it difficult to believe that gays choose to become gay there has to be something other than making a choice for the heck of it. I won’t bother with the rest as it would be wasteing my time, for you would not believe anything I post.
and all the remaining dozens of newspapers are all left leaning. Thanks for making the point of how lopsided the ratio of left leaning newspapers really is.
Quote “Show me one conservative newspaper in Maine, Mass, VT?” I showed you one in each state end of discussion.
Yeah, out of all of those news outlets we know that Fox is the only fair and balanced news and everyone else has it all wrong. NOT.
Fox News “Fairly Unbalanced”
Define Leftist/Communist.
Not right-wing! It’s all black and white, no one is in the middle, everything is easily divided into us and them.:)
Most Democrats in Maine
If this were true, at least one of those networks or newspapers would have been questioning the wisdom of invading Iraq back in 2003.
Rebecca Tripp: Where in the world did you find your stats? Who will employ all those people who will lose their jobs if you ban plastic and paper bags. What about their lives?
The statistics come from a variety of sources, including but not limited to the Ocean Conservancy, the United Nations Environment Programme, the EPA and a number of news articles from reputable establishments. One can hardly justify compromising the health and well being of the majority in order to protect a handful of jobs. The petition clearly outlines the negative consequences of our continued misuse of disposable bags, including the detrimental effects to our soil, air and water quality, the introduction of plastics into the food chain, and the suffering of wildlife, to name a few. The incredible financial and environmental costs are clear. Should we not address these costs and create viable solutions? Any aspect of our lives that is not conducive to our overall health and/or causes undeniable harm needs to be dissected and reworked, and in the business world, this will result in the necessary loss of jobs. Thankfully, there is always opportunity for something better. One quarter of the world’s countries have successfully implemented bans and restrictions on disposable bag use without resulting widespread unemployment and financial collapse. The world is riddled with problems for which the resolutions are not clear or easy. This is not one of them.
I would, but re-useable dog-poop-picker-upper bags are too hard to clean…I’ll stick with my Hannaford bag…
FYI poopy bags are bio-degradable.
cut the trees they grow back .
and the bags are good to start a fire
plastic and paper both
Serious question Flat-have you ever heard of Buckminster Fuller and Spaceship Earth?
You write the fact is that we have lost oversight into fiscal matters relative to our school, not so much. Before the RSU, I believe if it was the same way as in many other towns, the school department created a budget and it was approved, or not by the town / city council. Since the formation of RSU 26 the budget has two mechanisms for approval. First by a budget presentation meeting where those who show up get to approve, or not the budget. Secondly the proposed budget needs to go directly to all of the voters, very different than just the town council voting for the budget. Hence I am saying you actually have greater oversight of the budget now than before.
Nancy ALMOST EVERYTHING the righties say is just the opposite of the truth. Misinformation is the only thing that gets anybody from the 99% to vote for them.
You still think there’s a “right” and a “left”?
There’s only one political party, and it’s US vs them. All this hype about xyz being more biased than the next…? It’s hype. The same big rich people who own media corporations, fund whoever is in office that wants the job.
They’re mercinaries, and don’t care about you or I. These same rich people pass legislation that your average citizen like you and I never hear about, and the ones we do hear about are still done the same way. These lobbyists that submit legislation to our elected officials on behalf of the rich, and that is how the rich get their legislation passed. It really is as simple as that. Would Nancy Pelosi really tell us we would have to pass the “Obamacare” act to find out what’s in it, if she actually *$#%ing wrote it herself? You’d think she would, but nope. Most every politician is just as clueless as Nancy.
Problem is, where is this leading to? Who wins when it is all over and done with? Not you, and certainly not me. They win, because dividing and conquering us, is how they operate.So, who are “they”? Yeah, I asked my son that question every time he has an excuse about this or that. I thought it might be appropriate to write it before anyone asks. But the answer is, it isn’t a single group, it isn’t a skin color, it isn’t a religion or lack of, it isn’t a government or shadow government, and it certainly isn’t Capitalism nor Communism…
“They” are nothing more than you and I. Yeah, WE are the “THEY” in this conspiracy. We’ve let ourselves become fat, lazy, stupid, and worst of all… Passive. We’ve let these people take over our system, because we don’t care if “it doesn’t bother me”.
We don’t need MORE government control of everything and anything, we need less.
The easy answer to everything is to just let someone else take care of it and throw money at it. What happens when we’re too lazy to serve in our own armed forces? Do we hire people who don’t care, mercinaries, to defend ourselves? But, if we were to do just that if we came to that point, to throw more pointless money at a situation you have to pass a law for it, because we’re a nation of laws. And THAT is the problem.
Yes, the United States is a nation of LAWS, but right now we have laws for laws, and that’s getting a tad bit ridiculous. Greedy and power-hungry people are taking over our country because we’re letting them! And they’re US, too!
Donna: If you’re in an RSU, run from it like the plague…especially if you’re one of the larger towns in the RSU. This foolishness was shoved down the throats of Mainers by Wacky Baldakky and Susan GOONdron…all to save money…HA!!! If you live in the largest town of an RSU, ask how much your town contributes to the RSU and how much of that money is actually spent in YOUR town. You might find that you’re keeping tiny schools in other towns afloat. Lucky you!
NANCY,
Your quote ” The Media Is Owned By Liberals “. We’re not talking about for profit media. The more successful media outlets are definitely conservative run. There’s not enough interest in liberal gibberish to make a profit, but the liberals do have a monopoly on government mouth pieces that are taxpayer funded. If you choose not to listen to and watch conservative ( TRUTH ) programs then that’s your business, but don’t be mad because Rush has a following in the millions.
Yeah because we all need a good laugh every day. Rush is one of the most talented comedians on the airwaves. SO humorous!
You’re correct, in that there’s less interest in what you call “liberal gibberish” on the air. Liberals tend to think for themselves. They are less likely to tune in to hear like-minded liberals ranting about things and more likely to want their ideas challanged.
Conservatives, on the other hand, are more apt to be told what to think, or at least seek validation for the thoughts they have. Plus, they tend to be an angrier crowd, and the Rush’s of the broadcast world know how to milk that for profit.
Feel free to research this yourself, but I think you’ll find it to be true.
True, no. Funny, yes.
Is that simply your opinion or have you looked into it? I researched this a while back and what I posted above is a pretty fair representation of what I discovered.
Actually, what you said was your opinion. And your opinion is slanted.
Conservatives are well informed, and we are not angry. We are very peaceful when we get together, and we always clean up before we leave. We know the issues, have a moral foundation, and love this country more than we love ourselves. We don’t need anyone to tell us what to do, think, or say.
One very important trait of a Conservative, is that we are able to see both side of any issue. Liberal can only see one side. And the comments in these threads prove that time and again.
Of course, just as your comment was, that is my opinion.
EJ Parsons opinion – considering his history of homo and xenophobia, bigotry and lying. His opinion is worth about as much as his character.
Paraphrasing a Richard Thompson song, “Like his word or his handshake, it doesn’t mean much.”
Yeah, conservatives are certainly well informed. Like those Mississippi republicans who were recently polled…52% thought President Obama was a muslim. 52%. That’s not drinking the Kool Aid?
And isn’t yours the side that’s always saying global warming is a lie? That’s pretty bold, considering you’re going up against the majority of scientists.
And my favorite…that being gay is a choice. That one hits home and I know it’s a lie.
But you keep saying these things. Not because they’re true, but because you can’t accept that they might not be.
Sort of like your religion.
And again, to your opening line, what I shared regarding talk radio audiences was based on what I read from several sources on the subject. Do I agree? Yes. But it’s more than just my opinion.
You truly think Fox News sees both sides of an issue? Really?
They do see both sides. They do lean in the right direction. However they don’t censure and unlike NBC, CBS, ABC and MSNBC, they don’t avoid an issue that is damaging to their beliefs.
Oh, the divide between us! It’s starting to make me absolutely nuts. How can we bridge the divide? Our country is falling apart and we have two nations, it seems. Maybe three, with those blow in the wind independent centrists being such an important part of our political life.
I am a person who is is completely sad about Americans, we Americans, all of us, who have lost our civil liberties since 9/11. No one is even talking about that. THE most important – at least to me – subject…. our civil liberties have been demolished and NO ONE is talking about this. Fox, nor CNN nor MSNBC. Why is that? It’s because Big Media owns them all. We don’t get the real news in America.
Jon Stewart showed recently that Time International (the magagzine Time) would cover important, real stories of the world for the wider world. Here in America, at the same time, we got ‘Who does the most chores? Men or Women?” That would be the lead story and the cover. He showed three instances of that kind of shenanigans. Corporations own Media and media do what they want with us.
Cable news – 24/7 Corporate Cable news and now the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court allowing SuperPacs have turned America to a place of a divide between us. And I fear there is no going back. Indefinite detention for any American the president deems a terrorist is never talked about – on Fox or MSNBC. Nobody’s talking about that. Corporate media
won’t allow that.
Please continue to watch Fox News. I’ll probably continue to watch some of
MSNBC (I am a political junkie and I’m a progressive – not a centrist, not
a moderate, a progressive) though I turn most of it off these days and
watch Breaking Bad on roku. (God, what a good show, I highly recommend it
when you want to get away from politics).
I feel sad for all of us who just want to live in peace. All of us, all
over the world, who just want to live in peace and privacy, with a modicum
of independence and true choice. We live under a bubble of illusion in
America. We all need to wake up.
Sorry for the rant. Have the best day you can.
What a load of garbage.
It made me laugh out loud.
Why do you, a christian, think that Rush has so many followers? I assume most of those followers would identify themselves as christians. To me he seems to be the epitome of the opposite of the teachings of Jesus. I’m really curious.
Stripping advertisers from Mr. Limbaugh’s show has made all right wing programs gun shy about their own antagonism against anyone they deem insufficiently conservative, because advertisers are starting pull their advertising on all programs that promote polarization. Last night Sean Hannity had 12 minutes of public service ads.
The extreme right wing talking heads shouldn’t have a shortage of advertising this year. The super PAC’s are flush with money. Next year may be a problem.
Rush could fund his own show for the next 20 years without denting his own fortune. If Rush is really as bad as all you Lefties say, why wouldn’t you promote him so everyone can listen and expose him for what he is
In order to expose Limbaugh for what he is, I would have to listen to him. No thank you. I’m getting old but I can still change channels pretty quick. I wouldn’t have known about his latest spewings if it weren’t for the national media. Too bad he doesn’t havce his own print medium. I would gladly get a pet bird just to watch it dump on his garbage.
I do listen to him, actually. I found that moreso than other talk show hosts, Rush Limbaugh likes to talk about Rush Limbaugh. Very narcissistic, and his monologs on current events habitually ignore inconvenient facts that don’t align with his narrative.
I listen to him occasionally and I find when he goes on about himself for long stretches he is incredibly boring. But when he talks about politics, he is perceptive. Most commentators on current events ignore inconvenient facts–whether they are liberal or conservative.
Seems more like he creates his own facts.
Some examples?
Limbaugh “I think this is the first time in his life that there’s not a professor around to turn his C into an A, or to write the law review article for him he can’t write. He is totally exposed. There is nobody to make it better. I think he’s been covered for, all his life.”
I asked some Harvard law professors about this charge. Laurence Tribe responded to me, “The allegation is absurd. Obama earned every one of his enormously high grades. ‘Affirmative action’ had nothing to do with his success there. He was the most impressive student and research assistant I have taught in my 40 years at Harvard.”Charles Fried, a Harvard Law Professor who served as Solicitor General during the Reagan Administration, wrote to me, “It’s paranoid nonsense. Grading is anonymous by a randomly generated exam number and it takes a vote of the faculty to change a grade.”This isn’t the first time Limbaugh has made the false allegation that Obama gained from favorable grading. In 2008, Limbaugh declared that Obama “probably didn’t get out of Harvard without affirmative action.”In reality, Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, which meant that there would have needed to be a vast conspiracy to raise the grades of this unknown student. Limbaugh’s attack on Obama is particularly ironic coming from a man who flunked out of college and had his two books (and an earlier newspaper column) ghostwritten for him…
But Rush is not even pretending to state facts here, hence the opening “I think”. Rush can think anything he wants. He is not stating a fact, but presenting an opinion. Your Harvard Law Professors are also stating an opinion–“Obama was the most impressive….” . I’d be curious to know if they felt that at the time he was a student there, or whether they feel that in retrospect.
As for the affirmative action allegation–who knows? Did Obama get into Harvard because of racial considerations over an equally qualified member of another race? It is a possibility only because we still have affirmative action policies in place in our universities. Personally, from what I have seen of Obama, I think he got into Harvard based on his skills and ability. But my opinion, like Limbaugh’s, amounts to not much of a hill of beans.
First of all I don’t listen to talk radio at all and to be honest didn’t pay much attention to the recent Limbaugh Bruhaha. I can’t follow everything…. but I was interested enough to look up the effect of advertising dollars.
It appears that companies that withdrew dollars from his show suffered immediately in their sales. The stock of Carbonite took a tumble as thousands of subscribers pulled their accounts. Another company “sleep number” actually tried to get back on after stopping their ads but Limbaugh turned them down as advertisers were lined up to replace them.
In recent numbers Limbaugh’s listenership has increased as a result of the whole thing.
Irregardless of his message, I really don’t think that in the arrogant corridors of liberaldom many of you really don’t understand the American people, what motivates them and how they think.
So, is it because they pulled their ads from Limbaugh or simply the fact that they were advertising on his show that caused their shares to drop?
In the Carbonite case thousands of listeners closed their accounts after Carbonite pulled their ads. In The sleep Number case they actually wanted to come back after they realized their mistake. Like I said the number of listeners increased at least in the short term. This gleaned from two different news/web accounts and a talking head report on CNBC.
And could be the result of the curious getting a taste of the vomit for themselves. And, yes, vomit it is. I am firmly in the belief that what he says is calculated to earn him revenue dollars, regardless of the dishonest, divisive nature of it. He is an entertainer engaged in some of the most putrid forms of it.
Yes. I believe you to be correct.. but the hysterics and hyperbole are not limited to one side of the political spectrum. If you look around you can see a fair amount of distortion and lies meant to garner leftist viewers to certain programs. MSNBC for example.
Sorry, you are mistaken on your MSNBC comment.
They are most certainly left leaning but they DO NOT SKEW FACTS. It is fine to have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
That is what Fox does and what you are doing. And how convenient of you to not follow the Limbaugh bruhaha. Update, Clear Channel the owner of Rush’s airwaves has, in an attempt to control the damage to their station stopped all national ads on all of Rush’s shows. The man is a disgrace and while I believe in free speech am not afraid to call out
disgusting behavior when I see it. Too bad, if one is to believe your questionable research that so many in Conservativedumbland still support him
How does Fox skew the facts any differently than MSNBC? I usually view MSNBC online daily, and at home I listen to MPBN daily. Occasionally I check out Fox online–usually for election results. I listen to Rush for about 1/2 hour, three days a week as I head home to lunch and back to work after, and I sometimes tune in to Howie Carr on my way home–so that’s 15 minutes, 3 days per week. I read the BDN daily.
I see bias daily on all news sources. The bias creeps in by what stories news outlets choose to cover, how the cover it, how much they allow sources to make statements without offering corroboration. Fox news is no worse or better than any other news outlet.
not surprised that you do not see the difference
Why are you not surprised?
You say you don’t watch Fox News channel, so how can you come to the conclusion that the outlet itself is no worse or better?
I don’t watch tv at home–but I have sat in a car repair shop watching Fox News for hours on various mornings. Plus, Fox news is the service used on the affiliate that carries Rush Limbaugh. And, as I said, lately I have been following election results on foxnews.com. I’ve seen enough to know that true journalism (the kind preached in text books and theory courses) does not exist anywhere.
A false equivalence.
It may happen on both sides, but the two sides are absolutely and obviously not proportional.
Thank goodness my curiosity about Limbaugh was satisfied about 15 years ago.
Interesting thing about that “entertainer” label. Clear Channel list both Limbaugh and Beck as journalists not as entertainers and as journalists it is much harder to sue them.
I just realized that I have NO idea what a Carbonite is or does. Sleep Number is advertised on a variety of stations, I think the first time I heard of them was the Larry King show. Does this make me culturally deprived?
If what you say is true, just goes to show the hatefulness of a wide swarth of our society. If they don’t have the decency to recognize the uncivilizing effects of limpdog’s hate-filled polemics, it says much more about them and rush than about what is right, moral, decent. An ad populum argument doesn’t prove anything, except people can be incredibly stupid and gullible.
As I said many in liberaldom really don’t understand the American people. You provide a good example of my premise.
Yesterday you were advocating a position because it was passed by a citizens initiative, saying and i quote:
“If government is “of the people, by the people, and for the people,” why
are you so against the people? A citizen’s initiative established
Maine’s clean election process…. government by the people…. you’re
against that concept? “—- sdemetri
I assume this is ok because Maine people voted on your side.
Today the American people are hateful… and “stupid and gullible” all because they may disagree with you.
There is a big difference between disagreeing on policy issues and hate.
Can you give me an example or two of the difference you see?
Calling someone a sl ut because she’s advocating for the inclusion of contraceptives in all health plans seems hateful. Calling liberals “out of touch” with the American people as if a liberal isn’t a real American sounds a bit hateful.
So if a leftist calls Americans who disagree with him “stupid and gullible”, a “difference on policy issues” and a conservative believes that liberals don’t understand the American people is “hateful”.
Very interesting viewpoint.
I didn’t say that. You are free to come up with all these wild thoughts though and call them “interesting” all you want.
I do believe there is a distinction between conservatives and conservatives who list and applaud Limbaugh. Sdemetri made that distinction. You seem to be more comfortable with painting with a broad brush, so whatever.
So what exactly is “hateful” in a conservative who believes that most liberals do not understand the American people?
Furthermore when is calling those same Americans “gullible and stupid” not hateful?
You’re excluding liberals from exactly what they are. They’re Americans and they’ve played a huge and significant part in shaping this country and making it great, as have all those across the political spectrum. To suggest that they ought not to be included what constitutes the “American people” IS incredibly offensive and it’s wrong. Your vote and your voice don’t count any more just because you’re not a liberal. That’s ridiculous to suggest.
Further, listening to someone who is nothing more than a rabble rouser, to someone who has been caught lying numerous times, using racist terms, etc. etc. could easily be considered stupid. Allowing someone like that to be your authority on presenting you the news could easily make you a gullible person.
There is a huge difference between being an offensive jerk for the sake of it (ex. calling a girl a sl ut when you have no insight to her sexual activities) and coming to an opinion based upon reality that happens to be offensive to some (ex. believing it’s stupid to listen and applaud misogynistic rants).
You made up a whole lot of things I did not say. I guess Im out.
No, I didn’t. I repeated what you said, liberals are out of touch with the American people, and explained what that implies. Skirt around it all you want, but it’s here in text.
They will make it up as they go.
Calling a certain proportion of people gullible and stupid because they flock to a shock jock who calls by name a woman a sl*t or a street walker (moderators in mind) needs to be delineated for you? Really? This isn’t about us disagreeing on Hayek or Keynes. This isn’t even about conservatives and liberals. This is about bad behavior and civility. You associating conservatives with this bad behavior really gives conservatives a bad name, one they don’t necessarily deserve.
Of course I was speaking about the American people and the fact that most liberals don’t understand them. So far you have proven me correct.
Calling anyone a s–t is out of line, whether it comes from Limbaugh or Maher. Saying liberals are out of touch with the American people is just stating an opinion. People all over the place are saying that conservatives are out of touch neanderthals…I don’t take it personally.
I didn’t say it wasn’t an opinion, I said it sounded hateful. Liberals ARE Americans too. I find it a ridiculous and offensive assertion.
Sdemetri did not say conservatives as a whole are stupid and gullible, but that avid listeners of Limbaugh are and then explained why. There is a huge difference.
Reasonable people can disagree about, say, same day voter registration, or takings. Reasonable people don’t generally disagree on blatant, public slander and defamation of someone’s character.
Do you condemn the slander that comes from liberal commentators? Limbaugh was out of line in his comments on Fluke. He apologized. But posters here insist that he has a history of being hateful, misogynistic etc…That his listeners are misinformed, uneducated, racist, homophobic bigots and the list goes on.
I just listened to some interesting stuff from Rush on how the job numbers don’t add up. Some more interesting stuff on recent polls showing Obama’s favorable numbers dropping 9 % over the past month while his unfavorable numbers have passed 50%. This is all policy stuff. There was no hate, no slander.
I certainly would, if I heard it. I can’t honestly say that I have, but then I don’t listen to liberal radio much. Democracy Now the most regularly but hardly ever MSNBC. I’m sure there are people who say very intemperate things regardless of what side of the political spectrum they hail from. They don’t define their whole demographic. Rush doesn’t. Rush defines himself, and those that find his speech entertaining define themselves. I’m sure there are plenty of conservatives that hear what he says and cringe.
His apology was tepid at best. Times I have heard rush (mostly a selective process where what comes to the fore is especially hateful, misogynistic, etc) he goes past the point of civility. He’s an entertainer that capitalizes on this speech apparently because there are those that like that sort of incivility. When it is especially hateful, it is not unreasonable to think of those that he plays to as being especially hateful also.
I don’t really care what Rush has to say about Obama. He is an avowed hater, and dissembler… I wouldn’t trust his interpretation on much of anything. I think commentators that speak in empirical, balanced, objective terms are a better source of info, not someone that is known to be hateful, racist, and dishonest.
i’m sorry to see supporting Mr. Limbaugh.
I’m not the only one supporting him. He has a tax support service company that is having him do their ads himself–there’s at least one new advertiser jumping in to take advantage of the selling power Limbaugh has.
I can certainly understand why liberals don’t like Limbaugh. But they usually make him out to be something he is not. And then they accuse his listeners of being something they are not. I can only listen to him in small doses–and sometimes I think he is pretty sharp; other times he misses the mark. But he is not racist, or misogynistic, or ignorant.
Too many facts, your not playing fair.I think its a riot whenever a boycott turns against the boycotter,regardless of whos being boycotted.
The statistics come from a variety of sources, including but not limited to the Ocean Conservancy, the United Nations Environment Programme, the EPA and a number of news articles from reputable establishments. One can hardly justify compromising the health and well being of the majority in order to protect a handful of jobs. The petition clearly outlines the negative consequences of our continued misuse of disposable bags, including the detrimental effects to our soil, air and water quality, the introduction of plastics into the food chain, and the suffering of wildlife, to name a few. The incredible financial and environmental costs are clear. Should we not address these costs and create viable solutions? Any aspect of our lives that is not conducive to our overall health and/or causes undeniable harm needs to be dissected and reworked, and in the business world, this will result in the necessary loss of jobs. Thankfully, there is always opportunity for something better. One quarter of the world’s countries have successfully implemented bans and restrictions on disposable bag use without resulting widespread unemployment and financial collapse. The world is riddled with problems for which the resolutions are not clear or easy. This is not one of them.
The pollution into the oceans from tire wear, oil loss and road salt is another serious problem, as is exhaust gases from vehicles and heating. Buring wood and fuel releases dioxins. Growing genetically altered food, transporting food long distances for sale, the silence on ocean fish mercury content.
freakin liberals
brain dead neocons.
typical insulting remark that would get a conservative poster banned from comment but as usual the liberals skate by ,but then again whats to be expected from a liberal publication .
Oh come on now, Amcon says worse things than that every time his fingers hit the keyboard. Let’s not start mounting high horses until we really need them.
And I bet you really meant to say “freaking smart liberals”? Didn’t you?
like anything else its open for interpretation.
Mention Rush or talk radio, and the loonies come a runnin’.
EJ Parsons shows up and the lies become a tidal wave.
Yeah, rush really draws a crowd, eh, EJ?
LOL, Well hi, there loonie.
Ya know what NANCY NAZDO?
as recently as Sunday I heard 3 different Radio talk show hosts, two if which would be considered of the liberal persuasion. The two liberal commentators where lamenting the fact that many of the SAME COMPANY’S advertised with them as well as Rush and when one is hurt they are ALLLLLLLLLL, POTENTIALLY HURT. THESE HOSTS WHO MOST ASSUREDLY COULD HAVE TAKEN THE LOW ROAD AS YOU HAVE. But for whatever reason they chose not too. Wonder why????God forbid I believe the people actually involved in an incident. I’d much rather take the word of a raving partisan. Not so MUCH.
WHY??????
Why do people such as yourself find more pleasure in attempting to point a finger for the SILLIEST, MOST CHILDISH IGNORANT issues.
Thankfully you are here to show us how adults handle discussion.
Do you dispute my statement?
Let me guess, you’re ABOVE IT.
People who play partisan politics are NOT above anything.
Nancy–It looks like Rush is on his last legs, the majority of his national advertizers have left, I think he may be calling Imus to see if there is room for him at the ranch in Texas.
People are getting sick of the lies, not only Rush but Hannity and Beck are seeing a disappearing act from advertizers.
I have no love for Limbaugh, but if you think this latest debacle has harmed the long term viability of his show, you’re kidding yourself.
None of the advertisers who left have done so permanently. They will wait for the dust to settle, and they will be back to sponsoring the show.
After all— Rush has a patterned history of misogyny, I can’t imagine advertisers didn’t understand what kind of show they were choosing to advertise in.
I really would not like to see him go as he just proves how crazy the right has become.
Nancy,
Limbaugh is a smart, patriotic, intelligent and highly-educated individual. Regardless of how many sponsors he looses over his latest comments, there are 10 sponsors standing in line for one spot.
rush is an arrogant horse’s rear end who illustrates the worst of America.
It’s worse than illustrating the worst of America. He is catering to and legitimizing the worst instincts in people. His efforts at encouraging antagonism and creating a polarized country will eventually lead to a country so divided that we will be unable to meet the challenges of a changing world. We will stagnate and fail to prosper.
We are already.
Oh, I hope not.
I’ll stick to Sunday Morning shows to show how you sound.
Sunday morning shows typically have 3 times as many republican guests as they do liberal guests. For example after Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, how did the Sunday morning talks shows cover it? They covered it by having ex-Bush Administration members discuss it.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-notes-preference-for-booking-former-bush-staffers-on-sunday-morning-talk-shows/
http://538refugees.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/do-sunday-talk-shows-have-more-conservative-guests/
The Sunday mornign talk shows have always been dominated by Republican guests and the trend is getting worse.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2012_01/if_its_sunday034994.php
http://mediamatters.org/reports/sundayshowreport/
How exactly does that dispute who those network’s lean toward? It doesn’t.
Three of the four sites I could Identify with only a glance that they were LEFT LEANING. One was less overt.
Lying or Stu-pid
Hmm…. let me think.
The media is left leaning but they have 3 times as many conservative guests as they do liberal guests. If 3 times as many conservatives guests speak as opposed to liberal guests then the majority of the message would be right leaning conservative opinions, would it not?
The MODERATOR leads the discussion. Just because there are more RNC members on television while they have AN ELECTION going on while the President waits for opponents has nothing to do with which way the network flows.
IS THIS THE LATEST TRICK BEING USED TO DISPUTE THE LEFT LEANING MEDIA?
It means nothing.
Smartest guy I know, Bob Beckel. Smart enough to distance himself from MSNBC and is certainly never afraid to speak his mind. FOXNEWS doesn’t censor it’s people just because they don’t agree with him. He has to put up with Eric Bolling as well. that can’t be easy. Bolling is the face of the irrational wing of the party. Good thing is, his candidates rarely win.
If you read the links I supplied you would have noticed that they discussed the imbalance of conservative vs liberal guests in 2008 thru 2012 and the imbalance was actually worse in 2009-2010.
What would an election have to do with having more conservative as opposed to liberal guests? If the media was pushing a liberal agenda wouldn’t an election cycle be the time to have MORE NOT LESS liberals on?
“Lying or “Stu-pid”
+ Rebecca Tripp,Here you go, how to biodegrade a plastic bag in just 3 months:http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/05/teen-decomposes/
Stop with the fear mongering, lady. It ain’t cool. There’s a solution for every problem, and trash bags are the least of our worries right now. It came from the earth, it’ll go back to the earth. Chill out.
Although palstic technically comes from the Earth, it is not a natural product and as such does not bio-degrade, just look at the plastic dump in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
As plastic is worn down it does not decompose in the normal sense (ie. breakdown into it componant pieces) but instead just gets smaller and smaller until it is just plastic particles.
You obviously didn’t read the article. Plastic breaks down into CO2 (Oh no! lol…) and stuff like that. I only mention CO2 because I know you ultra-greenie types go balistic over CO2, and that’s all I remembered that plastic breaks down into.
What you’re talking about is what happens to plastic when exposed to UV light. I’m not talking about that.
And how many years does it take to do that? Come on, be realistic. You can’t act like a plastic bag decomposes in the same sense that let’s say an apple core does.
Uh, yeah, I can. One full sized disposable shopping bag biodegrades with a bacteria that eats it, in one month. Kid demonstrated it at a science fair, and I would venture to guess that he has quite a few phone calls coming his way.
Simply brilliant kid there. Now there’s the true meaning of “going green”! He doesn’t wait around for a bunch of idiots to pass legislation to maybe reduce this, or improve efficiency of that, costing us billions of dollars and stupid laws that mess up your daily life. No, he actually goes out there and finds a solution to the problem!
I read the link you provided and it is over 2 years old. Why has no one taken him up on it if it works? I think it is because of one of two reasons.
1.) It is not economically feasible. In other words no money can be made from it, or…
2.) It does not actually work.
I happen to believe the second reason because nothing bio-degrades into just water and CO2.
Exposing facts is not fear mongering. It’s called educating. If those facts cause fear or alarm, then it seems reasonable to take appropriate action. You clearly didn’t read about all the repercussions of manufacturing and disposing of these bags, or perhaps simply didn’t understand them. That’s great that the person in the article you posted has potentially found a way to break down plastics more quickly, but that doesn’t eliminate the detrimental financial and environmental impact of creating that plastic in the first place. Why create difficult “solutions” (and I use that word very lightly) to manage an ongoing problem, when eliminating the problem itself is so simple?
The US Dept. of Agriculture ran a study that determined 1 acre of hemp would replace 4.1 acres of trees for the purpose of papermaking.
Hemp is also much more efficient at producing ethanol and can be grown in places that currently do not support food crops.
too bad that we haven’t already switched to it. Politics and special interest lobbies will always prevent that. It’s not like everyone can go into a field of hemp and smoke it for cryin’ out loud.
I also love the fact that it takes more energy to make ethanol from corn than the ethanol itself makes. Typical backwards thinking. I don’t smoke,drink, or do any other substance and I get so damned mad at the way this whole issue is being handled by our government.