BANGOR, Maine — While police continue to investigate who is responsible for taking the lives of three people found last week in a car that was left ablaze in a dark parking lot, friends and loved ones of the victims piece together the last moments of their lives.
They all say Daniel T. Borders, 26, of Hermon, Nicolle A. Lugdon, 24, of Eddington, and Lucas A. Tuscano, 28, of Bradford — the three homicide victims — were at a small gathering in Bangor and left together in a white Pontiac with Rhode Island plates.
The car was driven by an out-of-state man who comes to Maine on occasion, always in a rental car, the victims’ friends said, using his name, which the Bangor Daily News is withholding because he has not been charged with any crime.
The out-of-state man, who knew Lugdon and Borders, reportedly knocked on the front door of the apartment about 1 a.m. on Aug. 13 and left with the three homicide victims, possibly to go smoke marijuana.
“I don’t know what the hell happened after they left,” the man who hosted the small gathering said, adding he and his family are no longer living at that residence.
The man driving the rental car came to pick up Borders. Lugdon, who wanted to smoke, reportedly invited herself and Tuscano followed her.
“Luke doesn’t even know these people [who hosted the gathering], but he was there just to hang out with Nikki,” said Bangor resident Tiffany Sutherland, who said she left the small party of five people about an hour before the out-of-state visitor arrived. “She’s the only one he knew there, so he went with her.”
A woman on her way to work about 3:30 a.m. Aug. 13 discovered the white Pontiac with Rhode Island plates engulfed in flames in the back parking lot of Automatic Distributors, located at 22 Target Industrial Circle.
After the flames were extinguished, firefighters found the bodies of Lugdon, Borders and Tuscano, who reportedly were burned beyond recognition. Her body was taken from the front passenger seat and no one was in the driver’s seat, according to photos taken by the Bangor Daily News.
A person walking away from the burning car appeared in video surveillance images taken from Automatic Distributors, an employee and Bangor police Sgt. Paul Edwards have said.
Whether the person in the video is the same man who picked up the trio of friends is a question that police are trying to answer. The Maine attorney general’s office took over the case shortly after the medical examiner determined the case was a triple homicide.
Police are not saying a word about what they believe happened and how the three people died.
“The cause of death is being withheld for investigative purposes,” Edwards said on Friday.
No arrest had been made as of Sunday evening, Sgt. Bob Bishop said.
Lugdon and Borders both have young daughters, their Facebook pages and friends have said. Tuscano’s girlfriend is pregnant and due to give birth in a few weeks, a friend said. Attempts to reach family members of the three were unsuccessful Sunday night.
Bangor resident Shannon Lee, who has a 7-year-old daughter with Borders, said her ex-boyfriend did have drug convictions on his record but “he went to jail and he got clean” while they were together.
She said they did not run in the same circles since their separation but Borders often would stop by her house to see his child.
“Dan always wanted to show his daughter off to his friends,” Lee said.
She said they last spoke about 6 p.m. Sunday, Aug. 12, just hours before his death.
Borders’ criminal history includes convictions for unlawful possession of scheduled drugs in September 2009, assault in December 2010 and a Massachusetts arrest for trafficking in cocaine in June 2009, according to court listings printed in the Bangor Daily News.
Lee said the trafficking charge later was dismissed.
Lugdon worked at Staples, graduated from Madawaska High School in 2006 and studied at the University of Maine at Fort Kent, her Facebook page states.
She was convicted of possessing marijuana in 2008, when she was 19, and she has a conviction from June 2011 for operating a vehicle while license suspended, the BDN listings state.
Lugdon overcame tragedy throughout her life, according to previous BDN reports.
When she was just 2 years old, her grandmother Leanna Lugdon and uncle Theodore “Robbie” Lugdon were killed in a house fire in Bangor.
Lugdon’s mother died of a heroin overdose in March 2002. Just five months later, Lugdon’s father, Michael Melendez, killed her grandmother Linda Melendez. Both were heroin addicts and the killing resulted from an argument over drugs.
Nicolle Lugdon was in the house and hiding in a second-floor room with her 2-year-old brother while her father stabbed her grandmother 36 times. Michael Melendez is now serving a life sentence in Pennsylvania, BDN reports state.
“Nikki really had nobody in her life,” said Sutherland, a close friend of Lugdon’s who considered her a sister. “She heard her father kill her grandmother and still came out as one of the happiest people alive.”
Sutherland first met Lugdon when they were 7.
Lugdon spent many of her teenage years in foster care, said Kristina Sprague, who said Lugdon was her best friend.
“When she was living in Fort Kent [with her foster family], she did amazing,” said Sprague, 25, of Bradford. “She was going to college, she was working with disabled children, she tried very hard to be a good person up there, but as soon as she came back down this way, she lost it all.”
Lugdon was using pharmaceutical drugs, heroin and cocaine, both Sprague and Sutherland said.
Lugdon, who had a 2-year-old daughter, lost primary custody of her daughter to the girl’s biological father last October as Lugdon became more and more involved with drugs.
“When she lost her daughter, that’s when she started losing control of things,” Sprague said of Lugdon.
Her drug use changed Lugdon, her friends said.
“This is not the person anyone else knows,” Sprague said. “If you met her within this last year and that’s the only way you’ve known her, you don’t know Nikki. … But unfortunately when you’re doing drugs, you are a different person.”
Great…they put the word Marijuana in the article. Time for the idiots to start commenting…
thats it?? thats your comment of the day??
Looks like they already started.
I’d settle for a disquisition on birth control.
Generally people don’t get killed over comparatively small quantities of pot, there was probably more involved (opiates or coke or significant debts)… It’s sad that the other two seemingly got killed because of a combination of Borders stupidity/being in wrong place at the wrong time.
Hopefully the cops/MDEA were looking into the “friends” and put a few of the dumb ones posting grow pictures/pill pictures/gun pictures on facebook away. Not that it will have a great affect on what’s out there in the grand scheme, but maybe it will make people paranoid for a while.
there was a indictment against one of them for cocaine trafficking that was apparently dismissed…however after reading this article, many of the stories, and seeing their “friends” speak on their behalf I came to the conclusion on DAY DAMN ONE this was related to a drug trafficking ring. Cocaine is relatively hard to come by in Maine from my understanding compared to other drugs – I don’t think it was based solely on marijuana. This person who came to Bangor on occasion was in all likely-hood their connection to the drugs.
I personally believe they were killed over either not paying for the drugs they had or for a similar answer. It no doubt is a horrifying case – but this happens all around the country – in fact the world – and it was bound to happen in Bangor (if it hasn’t already) sooner or later. Not to blame the victims for their deaths but their lifestyles definitely contributed to their deaths.
Totally agree, you don’t die over weed but you do die over harder drugs. I think there was an unpaid bill, only reason you would get brutally murdered.
Why did the police search Dan and his gf’s place after the car and bodies were discovered?
The whole thing just doesn’t smell right. First off, who leaves to go smoke a joint? Unless it’s an airtight building, and it’s been reported, I can’t see anyone taking off at that time in the morning to smoke. Secondly, the man whose apartment they were at, has moved. Why? I hope that the paper is not reporting all of what the police have learned in the course of this investigation, but I think the answers lie somewhere within the ‘small gathering of people’. If this was about money owed, why would someone who owed a shady dealer hop in a car with him in the middle of the night? It just doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe he was a middle man, maybe the boss or someone higher up was somewhere and the driver took them there? Maybe the victims didn’t know that time was up, there’s alot if possibilities
So sad…what a life this poor girl had.
drug hit.
Not drug related! Go Figure….
Still a tragedy regardless of what their pasts were and did not deserve to die like this.
did anybody else hear that an arrest has been made?
No? You have?
I hope the little girl gets to be with someone who will give her chance at life. My heart goes out to her. Her mom went through hell. Makes me very angry to see what people do to their kids.
Regardless of what they were in to they did not deserve what has happened to them. I chose the path away from Drugs and sadly I have seen many choose the path of drugs and have witnessed what it can do. It is a choice in life, right or wrong who are we to judge and make rude irreverent comments. One of these people witnessed tragedy first hand her entire life. I am sure all of them would choose not to go for the last ride if they even had a single hunch their lives would have been in danger. I am sure there will be people on here stating their opinions and Judging which will not change anything. Leave well enough alone and let them Rest in Peace. “Judge not lest ye be judged!”
Amen
Rick, look at it this way. One million people went to sleep in Maine that night. Only 3 never woke up and were found dead and burned up in a car in an industrial park. 2 of them have drug use/possession/dealing charges and convictions in their past. Their killings were obviously drug related. They were messing around with something or someone far more dangerous than they realized. (But then lots of people in their 20’s think they’re invincible and will live forever). I think they messed with “the man” and paid the price. And this forum IS for us to state opinions. If family or friends don’t want to read them, they don’t have to. Ignoring the facts or not wanting to hear them won’t change what these people were. Accept it.
iam totally appalled at your opinion wow you have no compassion or couth! i dont care what kind of forum this is opinions like that shouldnt be thought let alone expressed. they were young human beings my god are you part of the human race? and yes iam being extremely harsh i truely cant concieve anyone thinking as you do again WOW!
I have compassion, for people that deserve it. These people (especially Borders) flaunted their (his) lifestyle. Showing piles of cash on Facebook that obviously came from selling drugs. Guns. They were not fine, upstanding citizens. They were not killed in a horrible freak accident…these were revenge murders….like they didn’t pay someone what they owed him, or they moved into his turf with their activities. I CAN’T WAIT for the whole truth to come out, and it will. And cuztim, the fact that 20 people liked my comment and 3 people liked yours shows my thinking is not way off base. Yes it’s sad they were killed, and sad they died so young. My point was that one million other people in Maine are still alive because they didn’t make the choices that these people made.
well personally I think a lot of people probally got tired of reading the garbage and your comment was up twice as long ,but something tells me no matter what you wouldn;t see it any other way I believe your too full of yourself and just like to hear yourself talk some people don’t care how big an audience they get They just have compassion for others outstanding people like you should maybe try a little harder to understand I wouldn’t wish this on anyone but feel some should maybe get a taste of what losing a loved one in an an unexpected tragedy is like and then maybe they might feel slightly different.I personally wouldn’t know what it is like to be as perfect as you seem to be.
No one is saying they deserved it…..no one truly deserves this. It is a tragedy….but the fact is that people these days are getting themselves involved in situations they shouldn’t be in…..they did pay the consequences to their actions and choices. Their children now have to live without them because of their choices….that is selfish….I am very sorry that they had to die but I happen to know that there was another death of an individual having to do with drugs months ago and was friends with atleast 2 of the victims in this tragedy…..people don’t learn. They themselves have lost their friends to similar situations(not a car fire), and they still insisted on living their lives the way they did. They all think they are invincible and that is the sickening part of it all. People are dropping like flies out there and no one is learning a lesson. They are making it worse, and our state is becoming more and more dangerous for the rest of us. I have 2 children of my own and I sure don’t want to even think about what this world will be like for them when they grow up.
I think it’s really crappy for BDN to drag out their pasts…what a sad situation for all involved. Especially for Luke as it said he was there with Nicolle and left with her since he didn’t know anyone else there. He really was in the wrong place at the wrong time. So sad. It will be interesting to hear more and more of what they learn happened. But BDN should leave the victim’s and their families pasts alone.
Their pasts and the people they chose to spend their time with likely contributed to their deaths.
You’re right and I get that…BUT seriously do they need to talk about Nicolle having to be there when her father killed her grandmother and all the other personal stuff she had to go through. Maybe that is possibly WHY she turned to drugs…that would mess anyone up a little…but bringing up those events on BDN is really not important. And her “friends” that are spilling all this info…need to quit if they have any respect for her. And no…I didn’t know her and don’t know why I am defending her so much. I just feel that she and the rest of them don’t need their entire lived exploited online after their deaths. Yes, they all probably made some bad choices but none of them deserved to be murdered for them. That is all.
First and foremost, sincere condolences to the families of the victims of this senseless crime.
As for bringing up their past, I would bet that any of the three would be happy to share their past if their story helped even one person change their path. Stories involving drugs never have a happy ending. You never read “Mayor awards Drug Addict the Key to the City”, it’s always a tragedy, such as this.
While I don’t think BDN reporters always do the best job ( personally, I have been misquoted by a BDN reporter ) they are just doing their job as an investigative reporter.
Facts are facts. They can’t report that it “may have contributed to:” if they don’t know that for sure. It’s nobody’s business but the police anyway…they are the ones who need to understand it most. The reporting may help, however, in the sense that it makes the crime more personal to the victims and may quell some feeling in the community that there is a crazed murderer running about that may strike anywhere at any time. It’s quite obvious that whatever happened to these young people happened for someone’s reason. I just hope that they find the responsible party/parties and throw the whole book at them. The first thing I imagined upon hearing this news was what if that was my child or a child I loved who belonged to a friend in that car? My heart aches for these 3 young ones. Realistically, however, we are all where we are because of the choices we make. Now. We all have to choose whether or not we will continue to read the news and argue, or we wait for the investigation to close and a criminal or criminals to be brought to justice.
The sad part is we have no death penalty. The closest thing we have is life in prison with a PlayStation……..
For anyone to think that a young child witnesses family violence, witnesses a murder and loses a parent through drug addiction “and still came out as one of the happiest people alive….” is a perfect example of our refusal to accept the level of damage victims of abuse live with regardless of how it might be masked. That refusal gets smack in the way of an all-out effort to deal with this pernicious ailment our society suffers.
Exactly.
What was Luke doing there with Nicolle when he has a gf ready to give birth any day now?
Geez, a young guy can’t go to a party with a friend because his gf is pregnant? I agree with becker, wrong place wrong time.
My thoughts are with the families and friends who had no clue this would happen to their loved ones.
i bet you the seven people who like this are males hahahaaha
I agree it sucks to bring up the past but it’s obvious that their deaths involved drugs sad but true and it is obviously part of this story unfolding and yes your right about bringing up the past but it doesn’t seem like their is much choice here either. You also have friends talking about their past and giving the news more information. They are just doing their job and reporting it.
True, but I’ve seen it time and time again…not just BDN. I read news from all across the country—same thing.
Wondering why a man with a girlfriend due to deliver their baby so soon is at a party “just to hang out with Nikki”?
Why are people dwelling on this? He was a young man. His girlfriend let him go out to a party with a friend that happened to be female. Big whoop!! It sucks that Luke’s gf decided to let him go instead of being his ball and chain, but she couldn’t have known. I am sure she is going through enough as it is.
RIP to the victims. Thoughts are with those left behind.
The victims’ pasts are essential to this news story. They are additional factual ingredients, which help complete the full picture of this horrid murder. Backgrounds of victims in any crime, or accident. are usually reported.
Their pasts and their history helps police and investigators piece together how and why they died. It is important and relevant. Like it or not, the facts indicate they were not innocent bystanders, except for maybe Tuscano. And they probably were not mugged or robbed and then killed for what they had in their pockets…this HAD to be drug (dealing) related. One of Border’s or Lugdon’s friends or relatives MUST know what was going on. If they were my friends or relatives, and I knew who they were involved with and why they left that party that night, I’d be singing like a canary to help the police catch this guy.
I totally agree…I would be talking with police too because I would want this guy caught also. I’m not criticizing the friends for talking to the police at all… and yes I would tell them anything I knew about the drugs and whatnot. My main issue was that BDN reporting about the father killing the grandmother and her mother dying of a heroin overdose and all that other personal stuff is not relevant to her murder. It’s just exposing her personal hurt that she went through. I just didn’t think it was necessary. They could have just reported that “she had some really hard times in her life that may have contributed to her drug use to escape the pain” or something like that. Whatever. I’m off my soapbox now. :)
Lets be honest here. We have two people here with children they seemed to care little about. Ms. Lugdon lost the custody of her daughter because of her drug abuse, and Mr. Borders would “stop by” to visit his daughter and he “liked to show off his daughter to his friends”. It seems to me that these people were hanging around with the wrong crowd and they were destined to get into trouble, whereas if they had focused on being active parents to the children they brought into this world, they might still be alive. As a society we should be ready to call out people who don’t raise the children they create.
Could not have said that better myself!!! I went to school with one of the victims and though this is a sad event that has occured……..It really boils my blood that “parents” choose to live a life that effects their children and not just themselves. It is disturbing to think that children aren’t enough to make a person stay on the straight and narrow. They should have lived their lives for their kids and they would still be here for them. They made their choices and now they got consequences to those choices. My sympathy solely lies with their children that did not ask for their parents to involve themselves in such situations and did not ask to be left behind by these parents.
You write, “It will be interesting to hear more and more of what they learn happened.” and the very next sentence write, “But the BDN should leave the victim’s and their families’ past alone.” You can’t have it both ways…if you’re ‘interested’ as you say, people don’t just get into a situation without a past. Did you read the drug convictions on them? The irresponsibility of having kids when you can’t/don’t PROPERLY care for them? But the cycle continues…poverty-drugs-welfare breeds the same. You present situation IS a result of your past….what’s that quote about history? Those who don’t learn history are bound to repeat it. This just doesn’t apply to history class in school, it’s real.
It will be interesting to hear more of what happened in HER/THEIR murder is what I meant. Were they shot first? Was is over drugs? Who is the killer? That is what I meant. I don’t need to hear about Nicolle’s past about her grandfather etc. I realize people that are in bad situations such as this have a past but like I said in my last reply that stuff is not necessary to bring up in her murder. It is separate. Killed grandfather has nothing to do with her being murdered.
“his name, which the Bangor Daily News is withholding because he has not been charged with any crime”
So 2 people so far have gone ahead and posted it. You don’t seem to understand whose website this is? Don’t be whining if you get totally banned here.
Ya you did some of your own posting of these names just a short time ago…lol
Never in any article that says the BDN is not releasing the name. You lie.
oh please,,, they may not be martyrs but they are still victims.. didnt your mother ever teach you not to speak ill of the dead?
my sympathy is with their children
Who’da thunk it ? I had no idea except for the flatlander plate like the frequent flier Florida fireman! I’m sure this comes as a surprise to everyone! CHA! RIGHT! I’m just sorry any kid has to live down this legacy!
Well, that’s a good piece of work by these reporters. It answers some questions I had. I’m sure a lot of people will jump to the conclusion that this fourth person is the killer but we really don’t know if he’s even alive. I think the police must know enough to rule out the possibility that this man killed the other 3, torched his own rental car with them inside and walked away. I mean that is very extreme and they would absolutely have to warn the public if somebody like that was running loose in the area.
Seems like they still cant get their facts straight on whether this was a rental car, or the guy from Mass. girlfriends car.
And who does a burn cruise at 1 AM (especially with out of state plates)… It’s like begging to get pulled over, as there’s nothing else going on in the area for the cops to deal with. They’re at a party (where the majority mentioned seemingly had some record for drugs) and had to drive away to smoke pot? Bull..
Well maybe he was able to run away at the place where they got shot and maybe he’s been in protective custody since Monday. I mean some out of town gangsters might not have time to search the woods for him when they have a car with 3 bodies to deal with. If he’s not the killer then it’s obvious that these 4 people met up with somebody else. Hard to say if they were planning that. It could be that somebody was looking for one of them possibly had been following somebody around that evening and then waiting for that person to leave the party. If number 4 is not the killer it seems like the odds that he was the target are higher in that case because it’s that pontiac they were looking for.
I have to agree with this to. Why would they have to go anywhere to smoke pot…lol
maybe they didnt have enough to smoke everyone at the party up
they said in one of the other articles that 2-3 cars were seen driving away…what I personally believe were 1 of 2 things:
1. The 4th person in the car “not from bangor” killed the other 3 over drugs
2. The 4th person in the car drove them to a secluded area where others set the car on fire/picked him up.
It was the tire place across the street where the manager said 2 or 3 cars but headlights only on his video system. We don’t know the timing so car 3 could be the person who called 911. You only give 2 choices and I can think of several. But I really don’t think the police would hold back from the public if they thought you know who did it and he’s still on the loose. So if he’s alive I think of 3 strong possibilities:
1. He’s been so definitely ruled out as suspect that he’s allowed to be free.
2. He managed to get away possibly wounded when the others were killed and is now in some kind of protective custody.
3. He’s the prime suspect and they already have him in custody on a parole violation or something. That means they don’t have to formally charge him with murder until they get enough evidence to make it stick.
He would have burned his own car if he had a back up car available to get into. There were headlights of a moving car visible in the surveillance video, so it’s very possible this was a “hit”….completely planned…to lure Borders & Ludgon from the party….and then the killer left with a friend and they drove “merrily” home like nothing happened.
Burning a car with 3 bodies in it that can be traced back to you. Sounds like a planned hit to me.
Come on a use some common sense here. He stabbed a man back in 2005. Ya I think he’s alive and I think he is the killer and I think he should have been sitting in a cell somewhere where he couldn’t have hurt anyone else.
The City Of Bangor needs to shut down Parkwoods! There’s too much crime and drugs out there and these kind of people are clearly bringing drugs to our state!! And the friend “Tiffany” wasnt she in the court news for trafficking also??
Where is Parkwoods, I have already heard how bad New Capehart is from somebody who just moved out of there, TV was reporting Bolling Drive for awhile in previous stories
That is the stuff on griffin and just to the turn on bolling plus one on langley on the turn on left it used to be nice in their it was all owned by one or two guys and we had total control 3 violations and you were gone now its all different owners most are desparate for money heat and utilities are killing them plus some paid almost triple what they sold for the first time rents are very high in private ones 800 to 900 range
Thanks, new capehart area used to be the nice capehart
What a WONDERFUL idea. Do you seriously think that by shutting it down, that would solve the problem? Where you think the residents would go then?
Hearing about Nicolle’s life is just heart breaking, so sad.
Its TOO much for anyone to endure and it seems for a long while she did . Drug addiction doesnt discriminate and or want anything but you to lose everything . I have faith in people and I’m sure if given a chance Nicolle would have rebounded and rose above yet again . R.I.P.
“Lee said the trafficking charge later was dismissed.” I wonder why. ;)
i was thinking the same thing. guess he didnt want to get sent to walpole
Loose lips sink ships ? To paraphrase
What a great circle of friends. ‘Kristina Sprague, 25, Bradford, theft by unauthorized taking or transfer, $500.’
lets google your name and see what comes up
I did… >> MATT-Mexicans and Americans Thinking Together — A bi-national organization focused on US / Mexico solutions: Integration, Immigration, Economic Development and Education.
Yep, that’s going real well down there.
what exactly is “theft unauthorized taking or transfer”
other than taking something someone else got up in the morning to go to work for and bought
Usually for writing a rubber check I would assume.
Writing bad checks would be considered negotiating a worthless instrument.
Nope that’s where you are wrong. Writing a bad check is also a charge of theft by unauthorized taking or transfer…..
You mean a worthless instrument like some of those guitars I see in pawn shops? And why would I want to write a bad chick? I can just call her on the phone.
Taking something that is not yours, stealing.
Like when you drop trash off at the town transfer station and don’t have a sticker on the car for that. It’s unauthorized.
Like when you take a care for a test drive and don’t take it back. Then you sell it to someone else. Theft by unauthorized taking or transfer.
I knew that. I was making a joke.
Okay then.
Because all the drugs were found on the persons of 2 others in the car. Check on the driver of the car and see if his trafficking charge also got dismissed.
why would you put a smiley face like that? 3 people died, nothing to smile about. not even your little witty comment that was made in poor taste.
I used the ;) because I have an idea why the charges were dismissed. I also think it’s why he was killed.
So now ya callin’ a dead person a Rat. TASTELESS…..
To quote Popeye “I is what I is.” If you think it’s tasteless then so be it. Do you like to smoke the weed and listen to Kiss? I’m a pretty good ‘arm chair detective’
He didn’t use a smiley.. he used a “wink” as in “communicating shared secret knowledge”.
ya know if you want to read all about the father killing his mother just google it….
So, find an officer in the PD that could use some overtime. Grab a pot of coffee and review the toll booth video and find this rental vehicle. Needle in a hay stack but gotta start somewhere
No folks, no drugs involved here, nothing to see, move along…..
are there any 20 year olds in maine that are NOT a boozer and druggie?
i know there are 20yo something mainers that moved out of state that are are not boozers or druggies
I am neither. But I agree with your statement.
i know it inflammatory, nevertheless less why
Downtown Bangor is full of bars and drunks
Sometimes it seems like there aren’t, but there are. I know quite a few. However, I bet that a lot more of them have at least tried some type of drug and have been drunk once or twice more than we know! I’ve never seen a perfect teenager yet….life is full of learning experiences. Some of us are fortunate enough that our mistakes didn’t cost us our lives
There’s a HUGE difference between having a few beers and using heroin even once. There’s perfect and then there’s depraved, illegal behavior and there are LOTS of shades of gray between those two extremes and you can’t group them all together.
Did you intend to reply to me? Because I don’t see where I classified the beer and heroin together. Never even mentioned either, actually.
You included teens using some type of drug in the same sentence with getting drunk, as if they were similar. While getting drunk certainly isn’t a great thing for a teen to be doing, it’s a heck of a lot better than purchasing and using an illegal substance which was bought from a network that murders those who don’t play by their rules. I don’t condone drunkenness and am quite familiar with all the residual harm it wreaks, but using illegal drugs falls into a whole different category of bad!
It took a while, but I found the old post you were referring to. I don’t condone underage drinking or drugs. But yes, I can see your point. I’d be far less devastated at finding out a kid had a few beers than to find out he/she was shooting heroin. That being said, my post really was just a general statement to the person who apparently thought that children who touched alcohol or drugs were doomed and likely to die under such circumstances. I disagree. Most kids make mistakes. It’s part of the learning process. We all would like to see them survive their youth and lead long, healthy, productive lives.
Heroin is illegal, therefore it doesn’t exist, people can’t get it. Unless the laws don’t work at preventing people from getting heroin. If the laws don’t work at preventing people from getting heroin, why do we have these laws? Do we have these laws because we need a way for violent psychopaths to become rich? I’m not that interesting in my tax money going to cops to arrest junkies. I don’t want my taxes to go to building more prisons or hiring more prison guards.
Using your way of “thinking'”…..Robbing banks is also illegal, therefore it doesn’t happen, except we all know it does. If the laws about robbing banks don’t work, why do we have these laws? I guess that while we’re legalizing dangerous drugs we might as well legalize robbing banks.
Actually, you can use that same rational about almost any law because all laws are at least occasionally broken. Speed limits, for example, would you say that all speed limit signs should be taken down because most of us don’t strictly abide by them? Legalizing dangerous drugs such as heroin would only make a bad problem worse with even more junkies to burden the rest of society with. Bad idea.
If this woman was so close to her, then why say all those things about her? Totally disrespectful. Yeah maybe the people had some drug issues but they didn’t deserved to be killed. They all had family and friends that loved them. If it was one of my family members BDN would get an earfull from me.
Etc is et cetera, Latin for “and other things”
Ect stands for Electroconvulsive therapy
Yea yea I know what your thinking; here come the grammar police.
On another note though I feel sadness for the young children that are now faced with growing up minus one parent. I lost my father at a young age and can say its a tough thing to live through.
Whether these victims are seen as martyrs or not is pointless, they are dead and they died senselessly. We should be praying for their murderer to be brought to justice and for their families to find peace and closure in this difficult time.
Criticizing their life choices does nothing positive for anybody.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families especially the young children who are now suffering
Thanks for the lesson. Here’s one for you.
“Yea yea I know what your thinking; here come the grammar police.”
It’s “you’re thinking”, not “your thinking.”
also, it’s yeah, yeah, not yea, yea
Thank you
I do not agree with bringing up the criminal past they still have family and their daughters may want to read these clippings someday and now they have to see their parents being assumed drug addicts. thats not fair let their families and friends mourn their death in peace instead of negativity. And Bangor Daily News dissappointed in you for posting half of this article it should of been kept private.
It’s a major part of the story!!
Nicolle invited herself along for the ride and was murdered. Lucas was just following her lead and was murdered . Whats the rest of the pain she’s been through since a child do for solving this?
It’s not about BDN solving the case. It’s about bringing insight into how much drugs effected her life. Her mother and Grandmother died because of drugs and her dad is in jail for the same. (kinda)
I agree with you entirely. I’m not judging any of the victims but I certainly can judge the situation. BDN or any other paper these days has a bunch of mean and nasty readers. Some people are just waiting for their next opportunity to talk bad about somebody else. Some of them are just plain dumb___es who are quick to post something they found on facebook without even thinking about the relevance of it. It’s just a “hey everybody look at me” type of thing they do. I found most of that stuff way before they did and read it all carefully. I don’t post it unless I think it’s helpful, answers pertinent questions, etc. because I’m not out to hurt people.
Some people say ‘Dan was wicked street smart’ Ya you can tell by his FB pics..
It wouldn’t be the first one I’ve seen. When I do see that sort of thing I just hope they aren’t a dealer because that sort of thing is uncool with the suppliers. And I also hope they don’t meet up with any real gangstas because 2 things they don’t like is posers and bad advertising.
I agree. The B.D.N. function is not to be in a position to solve the case, Thank God. Shame on the B.D.N. for introducing the individual with overcoming more adversity than the other two victims. As far as “insight!” Insight is not tearing-open wounds from the past or is it the B.D.N. role to bring skeletons out of the closet. For years, the B.D.N. sat on information that could have brought down a horrific beast named Mr. Carlson. The B.D.N. printed nothing. Oddly, a young girl “goes along for a ride” and previous drug use is the causation for her death. My thought, the man that set the car on fire and ran from the scene is the causation for her death.
If you don’t sleep with dogs, chances are you won’t wake up with fleas. If you were truely “conservative” you would parse the information and come up with a similar thought.
Really? Conservative does not negate my ability to think logically or independently.
When you have to twist the facts to make your point, instead of going forward you should step back and reevaluate the point to are trying to make. The BDN did NOT say that her prior drug use was the “causation” of her death. However, the reason she was in the car had to do with drugs and it’s likely the the motive for the murders had to do with drugs. So, it is relevant information that she used drugs and sought out drugs.
What if the motive for a murder was to steal money from some people who were known to carry large amounts of cash on their person, wouldn’t it would be relevant to report that the victims were known to occasionally carry lots of cash?
You may not like hearing about prior drug use, but it IS most definitely relevant to this horrific crime. No, her prior drug use didn’t directly cause the murder, but it does establish that she had a history of involvement with the underworld that ultimately killed her.
There is no twisting of facts because you just made my point for me. Once again, let me clarify. RI man hit the panic button and attempted to use the three kids as pawns to score big. It is becoming more evident that RI mans life was/is on the line and he took three.
If you can believe anything the BDN prints, why would three local kids that use pot (has not been confirmed) sometimes desire to score a Pablo Escobar scale drug deal?
The BDN is a typical passive aggressive pile of garbage that they did not explicitly state drugs was the catalyst fire the triple homicide, but just stated everything about each respective life with their drug use. Shame on you!
It might make some people remember her and be watching for others like her in the future. If I had known her I would hope that I could recall making at least one day of her life a little better. I sometimes tell people about things I went through as a child because it’s obvious they don’t want to know what’s really going on around them these days. It annoys them but it does seem to curb their trash-talking quite a bit. Just like when somebody is saying stupid racist stuff I let them finish before I take out my wallet and show them some family pictures.
I think it makes some people (those with half a heart) see her in a different light. Further, it makes some us want to go out and adopt a child who is experiencing unfortunate situations such as those she experienced.
I agree. It also gives insight into how different a person’s life is from yours. It promotes understanding of how other people have had to struggle.
Exactly. Although it does not sound like she chose a path of destruction (in fact, it sounds like she was a very strong girl who made the best of her situation right up until the past year or so, from what I’ve read), I always wonder “why” when I see a youngster choose that path. There is usually some underlying cause that we just don’t understand. It’s so easy to judge people not knowing where they have been and never having walked in their shoes.
Well actually with brain imaging, they now know that children who experience trauma when they are young causes the brain to change (certain parts of the brain).
Bringing up their past is not part of the story. As I’am sure everyone of us has skeletons in their closets myself included. As I’am sure you do Admin Person so to me thats a crock of S#$%.
And be honest …those are minimal charges not worth mentioning .But,
BDN does the same w/ each case and we know that already . Just sucks is all.
I listen to scanner all day . And the records I hear are crazy . The Bangor Police literally are driving down the street …”Theres dude that beat his wife”…”Theres a pervert”…”Theres the Monkey duster”…”Theres the dealer” . “run this name …run that name ‘ if theres no warrant there hands are tied ..and can’t do a thing about it til’ they strike again . Imagine having that job .
BDN does the same w/ each case
Agreed. From the moment I have been following the story, I will admit a moment of narcissim unearthed itself because of brief “self-reflection” of my past, and the absolute “horrified” feeling if it was printed in black and white for my Son to read in the future. For the indivduals that triumph over adversity, we are thankful of encounters with individuals like yourself and “Kevin_of_Bangor” for “stepping back” and understanding three young local lives were lost regardless of their social-class. If you want to “utilize” their past behavior as a “pathology” tool for solving the case, something just does not add up. Meaning, the three individuals had crimes against them less serious than an O.U.I conviction. What could they have possibly done that an individual(s) thought this was the best resolution for the deceased actions? Especially, when most of the street criminals are truly “Street Smart” and highly successful for not being detected. There is not an organization on the street that would promote this high-caliber attention. Not one. This is a case of an indivdual that owed a significant debt for being a hack street thug and became highly impulsive to save his own. God Bless.
I’m wondering of the resident that was having the party, who has now moved, was moved by the police as he saw the driver of the white car? Perhaps he was moved for his own protection as he’s a witness when they catch the guy.
Really? She would be very upset knowing that something she tried to forget and hide was put out in the open like this. Why does anything she went through with her blood relatives mean anything at all to this case? It doesn’t. Shameful bdn how do you even sleep at night?
I imagine she carried that trauma with her every day and it influenced her choices in life. What happens to children matters forever, good or bad.
Well the ones that are doing illegal drugs and partying don’t deserve a roof over their head, why should the city support them? It’s about time these people that break the rules are accountable and if they can’t abide by them then then don’t deserve a place to live. The City of Bangor should be doing a better job keeping these losers out of New Capehart!!!
Just for clarification, are you referring to the story of the three (3) victims that the Bangor P.D. have declared a homicide? “Well the ones that are doing illegal drugs and partying don’t deserve a roof over their head.” Clearly, you must be speculating that the three victims were on State assistance and that does not permit them to “hang-out” with friends? Hey “Jakey,” who are “these people” that break the rules and if they can’t follow the rules they should be “homeless?” I think the citizens of Bangor would agree that keeping “individuals” out of their city that murder people utilizing Arson would be a greater concern. Truly, I have never even seen a Martin Scorsese film with such a terrifying ending. Whatever gets you through the night Jakey, but label them “losers” Shame On You!
wasnt talking about the people murdered and if you had a clue you would know I was replying to someone else’s comment about the New Capehart housing, had nothing to do with the people murdered. Apparently the person that threw the party lived there. And yes I think if the City is giving you a place to live you need to follow rules period, If you can’t then bye bye!!!
Right. “Bye Bye” into a car on fire is a deserving end for those citizens that “need to follow rules period.” As you say. My confusion, if you were talking about the individual that was having the “party” that the three victims were attending; clearly there is no connection with the four individuals. Since you are on the march to clean-up social injustice, what would be your penalty for “overdue parking tickets.” I am thinking I should pay those before some “Bat Looking Creature” in the night a.k.a. jakey999 begins cleaning-up the city of “rule breakers.” Please, take time from minimizing peoples lives, phone Robin and bring Mr. Pontiac to justice.
Well this is just hypothetical because I’m a law abiding citizen but what should be done to me and my dog if I failed to buy him a license this year?
Bangor PD must have drug dogs, a walk through Capehart should be done daily…different sections, different times of the day. Inspections by the owners should be made. Anyone with drugs is breaking their lease….so throw them out. No more freebies on the state and city would be a start for drug users….just a thought.
Seems expensive to me, why not just legalize?
I didn’t know Daniel Thomas Borders but after seeing some of the facebook pictures of him with his daughter my heart goes out to her. While his past might be a tad shady when he was with that little girl you can tell he was beaming inside.
I hope his daughter can work though these troubled times and again, my heart goes out to her. Best wishes young one.
Well said!
Sweetest thing I’ve read from you!! Yes. Well said.
You obviously didn’t see the pictures before they removed some of them…they showed him with revolvers pointing at the camera, trying to be all badass and gangster. Oh… and you must of missed the ones showing his collection bongs, pipes and wads of money. All posted on facebook in the same account as the pictures of his daughter.
I don’t understand why people put the things they do on Facebook. They portray themselves in such a negative light with all the bad language, negativity and pictures.
Actually, it’s not hard to understand.
Sounds like someone else I know. “Oh, I love my child(ren) so much, but I’m gonna post pictures on facebook with a gun pointed at my son who takes the picture and post it with a caption threatening my wife who is the mother of my children.”
YEAH, REALLY INTELLIGENT!!!
First, I was not looking at the pictures on his facebook page and even if I had been it would still not change how I fell for his daughter. I have a 13 year old daughter and I know how important it is for little girls to have a father in their lives. I feel terrible this little girl no longer has that.
My first comment and this comment are about his daughter and what she now has to deal with and nothing more.
no one deserves to die like this .I didn’t know any of these people but I hope they really do get to find peace now.Some people should keep their opinions to themselvesI have a feeling their closet isn’t as clean as they would have others believe.God Bless the families of any of these “VICTIMS”
Drug involvement or not, this does not make these people any less loved. I have known Nikki since we were 12 years old and if you knew how amazing she handled what she had been through you wouldnt have a word to say. Reading this article is hard enough without having to read the ignorance of some people whom would demand respect if it were their loved one. If you cant have respect for those in that car, have respect for those that loved them.
I can handle the facts and still see clearly. If I had known her I would be seeing a person who might get their life turned around for the better in 6 days, 6 months, 6 years or whatever. I would be asking myself what I can do to help her get there. You’re going to run into some very unkind people along the way. Just keep moving until you meet some nicer ones.
I feel for these young people. They could all have had the world by its tail. Sadly, I have found in this walk through life (which has included many mountains, rocky spots, and so on) that people in general don’t know how to be true friends. There is much selfishness in this world. People don’t stand up for what they really believe in. Self-medication is at an all-time high, and children live what they learn. With no real adult guidance in their formative years, our youth are left to make decisions that could one day lead them down a very destructive path. Parents often don’t realize that being a “friend” to their child is not what that child needs, and they are afraid to be a parent because outside agencies are all too often poised to pounce on them for being abusive and take the child away. Having experienced what the drug culture has to offer my children, personally, I will never be afraid to make my teenager, tweenager or young adult mad at me for being their parent again. It is my wish that drugs could be eradicated. That will surely never happen in my lifetime. Therefore, I can hope that these young victims’ friends can learn from their tragedy and get out before it’s too late, instead of arguing about why someone else is wrong about their friend, or who is being disrespectful.
Oh for goodness sake, no one has said anything bad about Nikki! would you all get over yourself. No one thinks her lifestyle choices means she deserved to be murdered. No one is saying that!!!! The report tells us what had been going on for all these people before their death or involvement in this case. That’s it. That’s news! That’s reporting. Stop crying about what nice people they all were. No one’s saying she wasn’t young, beautiful, deserving of a long and happy life, or that she couldn’t have quit drugs and turned her life around. Ok? So just get a grip!!! Readers of the paper want news. News is what the heck is going on and why, when, who and for what reason.
Are you just reading every other message? Many comments have said things like “no sympathy for them,” “too bad, they were adults and chose their path,” “out at 3 am you are asking for it”…..and many other comments that say all BUT “they deserved it” but that is what they mean. If it were YOUR friend or loved one, would you not want to defend them against these comments? Your post is rude, nasty, and unkind.
And here is a perfect example from “MeanMommaBear”: “Bad choices have bad consequences. PERIOD. It doesn’t matter what the
choices or consequences are. PEOPLE who say the other two are the
victims because they weren’t meant to be there… are wrong. They made
the same stupid mistake for DRUGS and died. Their past OBVIOUSLY lead to
their future and the horrible mistakes they made. I only feel bad for
the children involved and the other family members or friends who may
have actually taken the time to TRY helping them regarding the drugs.
It’s truly sad to see some of you are completely blind to the obvious
facts in this case. No one can say the three people who died are VICTIMS
until you know the whole story”
In essence, she is saying “Too bad, so sad, tough luck….they asked for it.”
And here is a perfect example from “MeanMommaBear”: “Bad choices have bad consequences. PERIOD. It doesn’t matter what the
choices or consequences are. PEOPLE who say the other two are the
victims because they weren’t meant to be there… are wrong. They made
the same stupid mistake for DRUGS and died. Their past OBVIOUSLY lead to
their future and the horrible mistakes they made. I only feel bad for
the children involved and the other family members or friends who may
have actually taken the time to TRY helping them regarding the drugs.
It’s truly sad to see some of you are completely blind to the obvious
facts in this case. No one can say the three people who died are VICTIMS
until you know the whole story”
In essence, she is saying “Too bad, so sad, tough luck….they asked for it.”
I said this once before and it obviously did not take… CHECK YOURSELVES…. These three HUMANS were MURDERED!!! What a sad world we live in that people should judge victims so… And on these forums you hide yourselves behind false names and could not care less about the lives you are condemning….. Every last one of you that pontificates that they were killed for who they ran with or what they did to themselves are in point of fact saying that it is OKAY to be MURDERED… How have we gone so far away from EVERY life having meaning?? EVERY life has some importance!!! Sickened once again…
Thank you!!! The people who love those victims with all our hearts appreciate people like you.
Now to find the dirtbag (s) who did it!
Didn’t you know that only applies to everyone but them? Your efforts to be decent are not lost on everyone.
There’s always “what goes around comes around” and “you are what you speak”
Changing the subject works pretty well, like did you know that bread last a little longer if you wrap it in fabric then if you leave it in the plastic it comes in?
It lasts even better if you keep it in the fridge.
Thats true too.
Did you know if you brush your teeth with cider vinegar it will break up the tartar build up on your teeth. However if you just eat a salad with italian dressing (not the creamy) it’ll do the same thing, Save you money from going to the dentist
Looking back when my Father died, my life changed. Before his death I was a punk, carefree and did what I wanted.. I changed that day and for the rest of my life. Rob you are right, every life has a meaning and so does every death.
Glad someone else sees these uncalled for idiots.How can they even pretend to be a decent human being.I know they pretend to be all that ,but are really hiding their own sins. cannot believe these kids deserved this,unfortunately they made some terribly bad decisions [haven’t we all] but listen to these nuts is even more disgusting.I hope the VICTIMS families aren’t reading half this crap or know enough to ignore these self proclaimed saints.God be with all their loved ones and may justice be served.
The most meaningful commen,t I have read out 800 or more comments regarding this subject content are prayer for the families.
The other comments are speculation, theories, and disrespect for the deceased.
Its obvious what happened ..how and reasons.
Therefore, it comes down to simple basic words SUPPLY and DEMAND.
Reminder…….drug addiction does not discriminate against ones socioeconomic status.
Pharmacy robberies last year 24? and now 37?
Now services are being cut …. has the State of Maine saved money?Probably not. Now inmate population will increase. Where is the savings?
Open your eyes community…. this tragedy is just the beginning of what is to come of the drug addiction /crime pandemic in just this area of Bangor.
For the families and friends of the Nicole, Daniel and Lucas my thoughts and prayers are with you at this painful time.
So you think the Taxpayer should be paying for drugs for addictions and Pharmacy robberies will go down?.. Should the taxpayer be buying booze for alcholics?
The “B.D.N.” has offered limited insight or News about the details surrounding the final moments of three local kids that lost their lives. The obsurb notion that the B.D.N. promotes the individual past criminal records of the three victims so they can “pacify” the citizens of Bangor that “unless you smoke marijuana once-in-a-while” you are safe in our town. Until more information is provided that changes the scope of the three “Murder” victims, I have more fear of the individuals that have greater concern in our society: Mr. Carlson. Clearly, if there is enough Law Enforcement for the arrest and conviction of “Twenty-Somethings” drinking and smoking a little weed once-in-a-while there must be the same Law Enforcement resources for the arrest of a Mr. Carlson, but like “the man” driving the white Pontiac the B.D.N. can not release their name. Fair is fair, even with the knowledge that Mr. Carlson was a sex-offender pervert the B.D.N. did not release his name until he jumped!
This is not a difficult story, B.D.N. A “man” from R.I. would visit ME only in a “rental car.” You do not have to be from the “wrong side of town” to truly understand the fundamental “economy” of R.I. and the reason a “lone male” in a “rental car” was driving to ME. Probably not for the Lobster Prices. B.D.N., if you want to make the citizens of Bangor feel safe in their community shame on you for “calling-out” the murder victims as “drug offenders” as causation.
The “lone Male” from R.I. found himself in a difficult situation that “has” resulted in “back payments” for individuals that want their “payment.” This R.I. street-HACK had to construct a plan real-quick because he is such a street-HACK all the local opportunities were washed-up. R.I. street-HACK starts to panic and remembers some connects in M.E. and begins his trip up I-95 and arrives in Bangor @ 1AM. During the several hours, unknown ‘Male” (thank you B.D.N.) in his Pontiac had several hours to construct a story that would promote CASH and benefit. Best guess, Mr. Pontiac first stop was not in Bangor, but probably creeped around L/A and Central Maine a few hours. Mr. Pontiac needed “victims” “easy targets” for this job because he was desperate. True business men sent this HACK packing! Mr. Pontiac has one more chance, call an individual that is least likely to be expecting his call. This individual is either the “Man” having the “get together” or one of the three murder victims. Once the individual is brought to custody they will have cell phone records and the B.D.N. will hopefully begin covering the story.
With a knock-on-the-door, Mr. Pontiac is welcomed into Bangor and the three murder victims join him for an early morning car ride. The three individuals must have been terrified when the journey went from a “burn ride” to finding themselves parked in the dark and the situation turning from (possible) friend to Mr. Pontiac’s need to victimize the three individuals for personal benefit. Money! Just like Mr. Carlson victimized the young boys for personal benefit in dark parking lots. Very weird correlation, B.D.N. Anyway, the three victims were not buying what Mr. Pontiac was selling and one of the victims or all three of the victims had no reason transforming into “drug lords” in one evening just so one “Coward” could settle a debt.
Mr. Pontiac has no place to run or hide. He is a street-HACK that would bring shame to any organization, but as the CITIZENS they are entitled to know of their safety because of the horrific nature of the crime. Although, some citizens thought Mr. Carlson’s crimes were horrific.
If he really did it so he could steal the money/drugs they might have had on their persons, wouldn’t it have been a lot easier and more profitable to stick up a few convenience stores without killing anyone instead? Also, why bother to kill a small time drug dealer after you steal his stash/money? It’s not like he is going to report you to the police, and if he’s small time, he probably doesn’t have the connections to have you killed?
Let me clarify. I am not purporting the kids in Bangor were “drug dealers” and the man from RI attempted to “rob” the three kids. I am the purporting the street-Hack from RI wanted to bring the three kids into a more dangerous situation/business drug venture than casual/recreational use, and the there kids told him to pound sand. RI man brought panic and desperation into the lives of the three kids and he was not going to take no for an answer.
Sounds pretty far fetched to me.
Right? Typically heartless Liberals and the disgust you have for people on the wrong side of town. Coexist. Please Marxist. The man from RI needed a quick fix and the three local kids refused. Do you really think the three local kids attempted to rob RI man? What would be RI man motivation for setting the car on fire and running and fleeing for his life? As I stated before, any smart organization would make sure four people were dead. Not three. This is the work of one street-hack.
I’m not sure who you think the liberals or Marxists are, certainly not me! Your writing doesn’t make it clear who you’re referring to or what it has to do with this case. Coherence is s good thing….
You are totally speculating on the motive for this crime and also on who is guilty. I agree that it looks a lot like drugs or drug dealing had something to do with it, and from what we’ve read, the driver of the car must have had some involvement, but at this point none of us know just what happened, who did it, or why.
OMG, what is the BDN thinking…Why print all that about Nicolle.. Trying to sell a few newspapers… A tragic life, a sad life.. It breaks my heart that BDN would be so shameful…Nikki was a sweet girl, she was knocked down many times and her life held many scars ; now she is gone and your picking and judging her like hungry termites on wood… Disrespectful….. my thoughts and prayers for all the families..Friends & loved ones
Sure, let’s hide it all and cover up for the people who let her down along the way. I didn’t even know her but I’m not going to forget her because of the stuff I found and read so far. I was a foster child and I suffered the consequences of some bad choices but they weren’t my choices. They were the choices some social services people made. I mean not only they didn’t listen to me very well but my foster mother was picked up at a bridge where she was going to jump the day after I got caught running away from that home. I think they should have immediately moved me. I can see that Nikki had it even worse and I think some of that was caused by people not giving her case the attention it deserved back then. Probably somebody should have fought hard to keep her in state guardianship when her mom died. If they never allowed her to go live with the father she never would have witnessed him murdering her grandmother. I found that story before it showed up here and I won’t forget it ever. That’s the least I can do for her and her daughter.
It’s a tough call whether or not they should be printing these details about her. Personally, I have a soft spot in my heart for all young folks, having a 22 and a 19-year-old son myself. Before I knew a thing about these “kids” (yes, they’re still kids in my book), it broke my heart to think that of what happened to them no matter WHAT kind of lifestyle they lived. However, I’d be lying if I said it didn’t cross my mind that it might involve some bad choices on their parts (as is so often the case). However, after I hear about Nicholle’s life, it makes me have all the more compassion for her. I’ve never met the girl in my life yet had tears streaming down my face when I read about all that she had been through. The girl had the type of life that most of us can’t even comprehend, yet it appears that she rose above it for a long period of time and went to college, was a mom to her baby, etc. Could I have done that had I experienced all that she had? I don’t know!!! I’ve never walked in those shoes.
Every time I hear of a youngster making bad choices, my biggest questions is “why? what happened in their lives that make them think these choices are worth the risks they pose?” Learning about her life makes it a bit easier to understand.
You said pretty much everything I was going to say. If anyone can read about Nicolle’s life and not feel utter compassion and even respect for how long she survived, you have no heart. Read the news stories….she was made to hold the coke in her hand while her grandmother snorted it, she was made to steal from stores to support their habit, she was in and out of foster care from the time she was 2-3 years old. She listened as her father murdered her grandmother, only months after losing her mother to the same poison. And yet she hung in there, got high honors in high school, went to college, and had a heart of gold that made everyone love her the moment they met her. She was born into addiction and was taught that it was the answer to life’s struggles. How she made it to the age she did before succumbing is beyond me. Keep this in mind when you talk about her little girl and that she is the only one you care about…..at one point, Nicolle was that little girl and you would have cared about her then too. If her daughter falls prey to the addiction in her bloodline, will you remember the compassion and concern you feel for her now or will you throw her away like her mother?
Extremely well said, Dogfreak! As I said, I’m a stranger, and I shed tears while reading what this poor little girl had been through. I would like to think of myself as a strong person, but I’m not sure I could have endured what she has been through and had any sanity left at all. The mother in me wishes we could turn back time and I could have had her as my child and given her a life
a Massachusetts arrest for trafficking in cocaine in June 2009, Lee said the trafficking charge later was dismissed. Police must of been feeling nice that day.. to let him go for transporting 2 ounces of coke. Its only a guess, but stuff like this happens when people break the code. ratting is a capitol offense in this world that lives outside the general law. Weed is a different story, but when you are dealing with coke or harder drugs you put your life on the line.
Easy Scarface! There is not one organization expect in a Hollywood movie that would send a soldier up from R.I. to ME and commit a crime so horrific that would draw attention. In the “real-world,” nobody lives to tell about details. Nobody.
What “code” are you referring about? The “code” you understand through life-experience or the “code” you think you know of through a vicarious lifestyle playing “Grand Theft” and so on. For the amount of cocaine, there would be no “ratting” out to dismiss the charges. For police, it is a real challenge to prove possession with intent to traffic; as opposed to simple possession. Trust me, nobody is killing anybody with the scenario you presented.
Paul if you are in a car that is transporting drugs across state lines they can charge everyone in the vehicle. That’s when they put the screws to you and try to get you to crack.
The conservative, I don’t think you understand what you are talking about. #1 they put murderer’s in witness protection for ratting, a distribution charge can vanish pretty fast for the right information. #2 Its easy for police to prove distribution, if theirs multiple bags its a given, if theirs a amount over a small usable amount its easy for them. 2 ounces is a easy case #3 I don’t think you understand the people that deal in hard drugs. I think it would be accurate to say about half the low level distributors are capable of murder and almost all the mid level to high level people are. The people he was getting from.
Hard to tell what happened until they release more information. But they made it clear he knew the person, and it was clear that he trusted him enough to get in his car. I think it’s fair to say the person was probably his source, and if so its unlikely that it was done as a robbery. That leaves unpaid debts, ratting/informing or a personal vandetta.
If the witnesses are credible the fact that the guy came and knocked on the door and used a car registered in his name is odd. I hope the police do a good job in looking into these people that were at this small gathering. I think the answers might lie there. Either there or if the guy that picked them up wasn’t aware it was going to happen, and was setup as the patsy to take the fall. And his body is somewhere it will never be found. That might be reaching a little bit.
Whatever the case, I hope the police can get to the bottom of this. It’s been a week already with no people of interest even announced.
Ok. Let’s “pretend” I don’t understand. What information do you have to prove that statement? Also, it is imperative to clarify that being “charged” does not mean guilty.
Your statements of assumption that you declare as fact about my topic knowledge is concerning. Simple judgment.
The fact that the BDN is being passive aggressive and portraying these kids linked to something as a “drug cartel” and not a common act of a street-Hack is very disheartening because the BDN chooses their own news and not factual news. Such as the Mr. Carlson story.
I don’t think the car was owned/registered to the guy who came to the door. The article says it was a rental car and the guy who came to the door was driving it. Of course, it would be odd, as you say, if the car’s owner were involved in the murders; same for a renter. No one in his right mind would leave such a direct connection to the crime. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who came to the door wasn’t involved either. Maybe the police have already talked to him.
But this is just speculation on my part. There hasn’t been enough info published yet about what happened between the time the victims left the party and the time a man was seen on the surveillance tape walking away from the car. That will be interesting.
The original story on that was adequately clear. All the drugs were found on the persons of 2 car occupants. None were found on Dan or the driver. So once the prosecutor gets the official word that there’s no fingerprints on the baggies, confessions, whatever tying those 2 to the drugs he has to go along with a dismissal. If they could put people away for just being in close proximity to drugs they wouldn’t need to be doing controlled buys or anything would they?
Don’t blame the police. Usually a District Attorney won’t prosecute any case that isn’t guaranteed a win – felons walk every single day because the legal system is a joke.
if you wanna ask people in brockton about this crime,
here is a forum to do it in. it is a very lively,anything
goes forum:
“A place to discuss issues in Brockton”
brockton forum
http://www.inbrockton.com/forum/default.asp
Drug addicts are still people. Whatever you think of this, this is still a huge tragedy. People can sit here and judge someone they don’t know, and contribute to the attitude of hate. I feel like if you don’t know this girl, or any of the others killed, PERSONALLY know them, made eye contact with them during a conversation or whatever, you don’t have any right to judge anyone. Judging someone because they are a drug addict is like judging anyone because of WHAT they are not WHO they are. It IS the same thing to say that little girl will be better off with out a mother as it is to say all black people smoke menthols and rip off welfare, all middle eastern people are terrorists or all jewish people are covetous money grubbers. It is not right, or fair. I know life isn’t either, but the point of the matter is if you don’t know these people personally, you have no right at all to sit and judge them. I am sure by the time I return home ten people will have said I am wrong and blah and its still their own fault and blah. You know what I think, and it is pretty straight forward. Leave these dead people alone, and let their families grieve…
I hear you and I agree, up to a point. I don’t believe any of us has a right to judge others regardless of whether we know them.
To me this story is a tragedy that began more than a decade ago. I know some people think the BDN shouldn’t be printing details about Nikki’s past but if helps one person to be more compassionate or one drug user to think ” that could be me. I gotta change things,” then it’s worth it. Plus, it’s her story and it provides some context for her very public death. May we all be grateful today that we do not have to bear the burden of what she had to shoulder each day. Peace to them all and to all those they left behind.
I realize that drug addicts are still people and I can feel bad that they chose to waste their lives just to experience putting a chemical in their bodies. BUT, I also think it’s perfectly fine to “judge” ALL illegal drug users. Our society is so bent on not judging anyone for anything that we stick our heads in the sand and try to ignore the terrible cost in human suffering and money and lives that illegal drug use causes and pretend that everyone does it or that it’s sort of normal. That suffering and crime and murders extend all up and down the pipeline of supply. If relatively wealthy (by world standards) US citizens didn’t demand illegal drugs and weren’t willing to pay for them, then this whole chain of suffering that extends all over the world wouldn’t exist. Casual drug users, who like to think of themselves as non criminals and get REALLY upset if anyone “judges” them, are the ones who provide the $$$ for so much misery in the world, just to spice up their boring lives because they apparently lack the imagination to get a thrill some other, legal, and healthy way. It’s an ongoing tragedy that we see in our country but that we also export to poor, innocent people who grow and supply these drugs or who happen to get in the way of those who do. Illegal drug users here in the US are NOT good, innocent people but rather are the source of much of the misery all around the world. It’s time we all started “judging” them very harshly instead of treating casual illegal drug use as a semi-normal rite of passage for young people. The waste of human life and misery and murder will never subside until we as a society make it socially unacceptable to use ANY illegal drug, even once. As long as we demand these drugs, there will be a supply, and at a terrible cost to so many.
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When I was a child most to that was kept on Hancock St. Now that’s not to say that Hancock St. is a bad place at least not today, but 30 years ago it was a lot of bars and drunks. When I was a kid though most people had jobs that would support a family and there was very little homelessness, not so today. Now don’t think Im nocking the homeless, most are homeless for no fault of there own, im just saying we need to improve the working conditions aroud Maine and the country. There should be more work available to everyone that provides a good living to the average person. Family’s should be able to live on a one parent income, but that has become a thing of the past.
Yeah, awesome. Is this really the place to have the discussion is probably more easy to understand. So what, do you think the little girl who lost her mom, whether she lost her mom already to drugs or not, or that girls mom, or dad or either of the two guys parents really gives a sweet crap about crime statistics and what it does to the community? Probably someday, but right now I am sure dealing with it is probably really hard. What would make it harder I guess would be to scroll down through the article someone wrote about your loved ones and read the many comments from the community about how the only reason the person they loved died was because they were a scum bag. I guess maybe I am kind of old fashion, but have some respect for the dead. To be honest, this was never my business or your business or really anyones business to comment on any of these people. They sure didn’t chose for you to cast judgement on their past or the life they led. It kind of goes back to the whole if you have nothing NICE to say, shut your yap. I am sure there will be a plethora of other opportunities for you to force feed your opinion too that wouldn’t include personally naming someone in a very open, very public forum.
People find all sort of excuses to stick their heads in the sand and pretend to not see the widespread devastation to so many lives that using illegal drugs causes, in your case it seems to be that you want to appear compassionate to the loved ones of these victims, and place a higher value on that than on using this tragedy to hopefully get a few other young people to choose a better path. Really, what is there “nice” to say about illegal drug use and dealing and murder? Its all horrible and the only way it can be avoided is if people CHOOSE to not do illegal drugs and the demand dries up.
I happen to have a close family member who chose a similar path, with similar, heartbreaking results. It still breaks my heart to remember the sweet young, full of fun and life kid that I had so much fun with, seemingly only yesterday, who as a young lady made bad choices that led to drug use and worse, which in turn led to her downfall. I would never call her a “bad person” and the same applies to Nicolle, but neither will I pretend that either one of them ended up the way they did because of any other reason than their own bad choices, choices that I hope other young people choose not to make.
Well said. These are the kind of things that should be reported, and I think the BDN is doing a pretty good job of it. The thing that really stands about BDN comments in murder cases is the number of comments that criticize the BDN and other commenters for discussing the conduct and backgrounds of murder victims. Sometimes they overwhelm the coverage and comments about the homicide itself.
And what about you, seem you have never taken a dose of your own advice. You are the only one that I have heard call these three people scum bags, and family members im sure already know about their family members.
You are so right jtsailjt
No one is Judgeing these people, what most are saying is that things might have been different for them had they not been doing drugs, buying drugs, and selling drugs. We are concerned for other young people that might be doing the same as we don’t want the same for them. All are sorry that they have come to this end, we do not believe that the ends justify the means.
I for one do believe that the Children are better off without these Mothers and Fathers if they are in fact drug users.
It’s almost as if this was done by someone who just got done watching some movie at first you think professional than you think na wannb got to be more to this than what appears who uses a rental for crying out loud its like the Maine engagement ring caper only with tragedy hard to believe a small timer would pull this ofed
ya dont drive from “Rockton” aka Brockton to Bangor, in the wee hours to smoke a joint with someone. Just cuz plates are from Rhode Island..doesnt mean that where it was rented from..also, Brockton is not a nice place (not saying everyone in Brockton)..and if they are coming up here BPD has it’s hands full..I pray for those babies..hopefully Nicolles baby will have a chance far away from all this, and Shannon makes good descisions for her child
Choices? no one chooses to be born in to a home like Nicolle Lugdon’s. Did you read the article?
I so very agree with you. “There but for the grace of God go I” isn’t just a convenient little quote, it’s truth. Sympathies to the victims family and friends, hopefully they’ll have some answers soon.
In fact, you may be very wrong about “no one chooses……” many believers (including myself) in what is “new age” religion, or put in another way, the evolution of our conscientiousness…what we really are which are spiritual beings and not human beings. Yes we are humans here but it is nothing but a speck of time to learn lessons, our “true” selves are “trapped” in this “vehicle” until it is released. A lot of this type of belief system can be tied to Christ, what he said…for example….”judge not, lest……..” you know how this ends…..you judge these three people and you are judging a path they chose for lessons they needed to learn. “In my Fathers house, there are many mansions”….do you think he meant real mansions….houses? Of course not, maybe, though, multiple dimensions, realities, spiritual planes (trillions upon trillions, unfathomable numbers) is what He was saying here….? We are not only here to help one another but to learn so that we can make our way back into, ultimately, the place where we came from, the huge, undeniably inexplicable, force called God, and other names…. a conscientiousness where we all live eternally and we will never cease to live. God said to Moses….”
if you see me, you will die”….think about God’s conscientiousness, it won’t take you long to relate why that could happen. Of course, he meant that he would die physically…as said, we all live eternally.
Many things, circumstances, you have to wonder how can this be, how could someone rape someone and call that a lesson needed to be learned….people are quick to close their mind and put the blinders on and not give it as much thought as it deserves. The reason why we are here isn’t simple, we are not simple beings. We are a conscientiousness directly, (emphasis on DIRECTLY) out of God conscientiousness, here is another example of putting together “we are made in the likeness of God) and to this God conscientiousness we will return. Once we are done learning (that never happens though), we have to be perfect to “go to heaven”….or as it really is “return to our home inside of the God conscientiousness”…
These three have learned part of what they were suppose to. Judging them is wrong for at least these reasons that I wrote about. Anyone who replies (if you reply) to this and say something like ” you’re nuts, you don’t know what you’re talking about, “you got it all wrong” “you think you know it all”….This is what I believe and only sharing this because to me it’s what makes sense. I’m not imposing it on anyone, just as a way of maybe helping to understand why things happen as they do. Who knows why we all need to learn these lessons.
psycho alert
They allow internet usage in BMHI now?
i like what you have said here.
If you believe Nicolle Lugdon “learned what she was supposed to” through the hell-on-earth life she had to live, you’re not just clearly mentally imbalanced, you are cruel and heartless as well.
I don’t care how you dress-up your spirituality, if your god-being requires me to believe that that girl somehow “got what she deserved” (or however new age way you’d like to phrase it) by being forced to live out that short, horrible life, I want nothing to do with your smoke and mirros faith.
Very true. It seems she had a cruel beginning that no child deserves, it’s too bad this beautiful girl didn’t find her way before she lost her life. So terribly sad.
Does not matter what they were doing at the time, illegal or not. Does not matter that they are some one’s children or parents, brother or sister. The only thing that really matters is that they were all murdered and set on fire after the fact. Also, as I read through this I got a kick out of the person who said it was hard to get cocaine in Maine. Not so much my friend, not so much at all. Even in the smallest town there is a guy or a gal who knows a guy or a gal, anything is for sale at any price at any given time. I am originally from a tiny town there and I was extremely young when i saw pot, i was an adolescent when i saw heroin, mid teen when i saw coke and late teen when i saw the shrooms, weed, 8 ball on the table, meth in the bathroom, etc. And thankfully i was the good kid who saw it and didn’t participate. I had every oppertunity and had a fairly cruddy childhood but i didn’t choose the use of or selling of those drugs to get away from my past. We all make choices in our lives, some good, some not so much, but I had a son young and rather than snort my way to victory i put my bum through school and made something of my self instead of making a mockery of parenting with drug use.
Very smart of you, i wish this was the path everyone were taking. Then there would be no need for this news story or these posts.
How rude.
so sad
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It all amounts to……% #$@ with the bull and you get the horn… They were adults and choose their lifestyle… So sad.
I have absolutely no sympathy for any drug dealer or user, but I do for the children they did not care enough about to be clean!
SERIOUSLY??!!! NO sympathy are you kidding me…..have u looked around lately and noticed just how bad this drug use especially pharmaceutical drug abuse is in this area??!! Or are you blind?????? Being a drug addict is like being an alcohalic..do u drink?? If you do should people condemn you for it??!! NO..drug abuse or abuse of this sort of any kind is a terrible addiction and UNLESS you have been there you should NOT be so quick to judge!! All of us have issues be it drug addiction alcohalism lieing anything show me who has a closet with no skeletons in it…there are none!! NOBODY is perfect the general public is far from that…and if anyone has issues with drugs which in reality that is NO reason to in cold blood murder anyone let alone 3 people….or a reason for “an excuse” for this. It is horrible for the survivors of these young people but drug abuse especially pharmaceutical drugs is one of the hardest addictions to kick…have a heart.. How would you like it if it were one of your family in this situation??!! I would almost guarantee someone you know IS in the situation of abuse either alcohal or drugs…dont be so blind and heartless
How about empathy? How about just an mere understanding that not everyone is afforded the same privileges in life as you? Do you “have” anything like that? You can’t even compel yourself to imagine the pendulum swing of losing a cherished loved one under these horrific circumstances?
I vividly remember my grandmother cuddled me and read books to me when I was a kid. We spent hours on craft recycling projects and picked strawberries for fun. I remember clearly, when I was 4, in 1969, and she made me watch the news to see scientist walking on the moon for the first time and we talked about the importance of it and she assured me I could do that too some day, if I wanted, if I studied… imagine that, a girl, not 5 years old, in the 60’s, being told she could walk on the moon someday…
When I was the ages of Nicholle, Lucas and Daniel, I had 3 kids of my own and, I called my gram a couple of times a week to get her apple pie recipe or to ask about spices, or talk about sewing and such.
My whole life, she lived in the same modest home my grandfather built himself, where they raised 5 kids. I never lived more then a few miles away, so I visited them with my young family several times a year. My adult kids now cherish and embrace those memories and holiday traditions and sustain some for their own young families today.
I can name more then 100 people in my (close) family circle, none have been to jail, none have been addicts, no acts of violence, few traffic stops. .. And, I could call anyone of those 100 family members right now and ask for help with about any problem imaginable and count on it being solved promptly, without drug exposure, or excuses. As a family, we value love, honesty and trust, above all else.
I am thankful, I have been truly blessed and wish it could be this way for everyone. Life throws more obstacles at some people, blame solves nothing but an internal argument with oneself, I think.
I am so, so sorry for ALL the losses ALL these people have suffered in life. My sincere prayers and condolences, I will keep Daniel, Lucas and Nicholle, and their loved ones, in my thoughts and prayers.
This is so tragic. I hope Nikki’s friends figure out a way to honor her life, that starts with a personal commitment to stay away from drugs, seek professional help and educate themselves on addiction, get themselves healed enough to educate others on healthy ways to heal your psyche when all hope seems lost; drugs and alcohol are not the answer and they significantly exacerbate the underlying problem(s) and reason(s). There is hope yet for the children they left behind in the wake of all this senseless violence. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims family and friends, always.
We have 3 people murdered. People seem to know who this is. Why is Bangor PD letting this guy walk the streets of Bangor? If this was any other city. They would be locked up by now.
The Police need to get it right or the person or persons involved might walk.
I thought reading the first story they said 2 sets of car lights were seen in that parking lot? Is there 1 or 2 persons of interest here or not? Was there a second car involved? Was the car set ablaze when it was dropped off there or did they come back to set it afire??
exactly my feelings on this…..the PD knows as to whoever saw the surveilance videos in the beginning said there were multiple vehicles there with the Pontiac…they pulled in ..they left…rumors rumors rumors lets get the facts out there…and lets concentrate on what us the people..the public ..can do to help put an end to this….
The “Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree”. How does a child growing up in such a disfunctional family as Nicolle’s learn right from wrong and know how to make intelligent decisions? Things like this happen ! What a shame and what a waste of her life as well as the lives of the two young men. Just a terrible tragedy and I pray others who are headed down the same path, take a lesson from this.
Bad choices have bad consequences. PERIOD. It doesn’t matter what the choices or consequences are. PEOPLE who say the other two are the victims because they weren’t meant to be there… are wrong. They made the same stupid mistake for DRUGS and died. Their past OBVIOUSLY lead to their future and the horrible mistakes they made. I only feel bad for the children involved and the other family members or friends who may have actually taken the time to TRY helping them regarding the drugs. It’s truly sad to see some of you are completely blind to the obvious facts in this case. No one can say the three people who died are VICTIMS until you know the whole story.
The thing is mommabear is no one has the whole story. To say they aren’t victims is ignorant. By your logic a police man getting murdered and burned to a crisp wouldn’t be a victim, because he CHOSE a dangerous job and as a consquence was murdered. Our laws and justice system are far from perfect, just because you don’t follow them all doesn’t make being murdered acceptable.
Not “acceptable”, but increases the chances of it, which is the part people dont seem to get when they want to play dress up gangsta in this area (directed at Dan). Yes, most of the time it’s probably relatively safe to pretend to be a “thug” in Bangor area Maine, as most everyone else you’ll run into is a poser as well, but eventually you will cross someone who isnt pretending, and bad stuff will happen.
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That’s kinda my point in a way though, that maybe it should be “explained” to these kids that they’re not as “hard” as their insular rural lifestyle makes them feel.
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The sad part is, even with this happening to some to some of their friends, the majority wont learn a thing (even in their mid to late 20s).. They’ll just “pour some liquor for their homies” (still playing dress-up) and go on acting stupid. Just keep on popping out babies, popping pills, and screwing up their lives until there’s nothing left to get back on track to.
There are MANY situations that could have happened. They may have been the ones who died in the end, but it doesn’t mean they are the victims or the only victims. I have seen some very bizaare circumstances surrounding deaths and the idea someone was a victim was WRONG. Take suicide pacts for example… if several people committed suicide at the same time or designed a plan to do so, does that make them all victims?? How about if someone shoots another person in self defense for fear of their life, is the deceased person still a victim???? Some people just dont get it. You cannot claim victim until there was a crime proven and a storyline of facts to back it up.
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It’s interesting to me that people are only focusing on the fact that they were addicts. It breaks my heart that Nikki went through all of the terrible things she was exposed to as a child, she didn’t have a choice to not be around it at the time. I didn’t know her really well, but I did go to school with her for some time and she was always nice to me. I feel bad that things happened the way they did because even though you are an addict doesn’t mean you deserve to die. Things are what they are and it’s very apparent that she was loved by many friends and family. So when you’re trashing the fact that they all did drugs don’t forget that drugs don’t define who you are. Everyone makes mistakes and unfortunately it may or may not have caught up with them, but regardless they are still people and it is a loss no matter which angle you’re looking at it from. I’m so sorry that things happened the way they did! RIP to all three victims!!!
I didn’t know any of them at all, but my heart is broken for them as well. In spite of all the negative crap here, you should know that talking about how this, helps you and also helps others. Thank you for sharing a little more about your friend. It proves that we are all more than just one of our deeds. Peace, sister.
NOBODY is saying that they deserved to die and I have to wonder at the motivation of the people who keep making that claim! Desperate to feel good about themselves at someone else’s expense? But when you make the choice to use illegal drugs and associate with drug dealers, that fact makes it a LOT more likely that you find yourself involved in an ugly situation such as the one that ended her life. Note that I didn’t say she deserved it or that her bad choices made her a bad person. But her choices to use drugs and hang out with other druggies apparently caused her to lose custody of her child and it led to her ultimately being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hopefully, the fact that all this has been reported will lead to some other young lady making better choices that will lead her to a long and happy and productive life. That’s why I think it’s a good thing that the BDN chose to report the drug connections in these three victims lives. Beginning to use illegal drugs comes at a cost and you never really know just how high that cost will be but it’s sometimes much higher than you will want to pay. Young people need to understand this.
I agree
Yes, I’ve read most of the BDN stories and comments about this case and don’t recall any comments that said these murder victims deserved to die. I’m not saying there weren’t any – just that I don’t remember any, and it’s the kind of thing I would remember.
Suppose, jtsailjt, that you had been the one in Nicholle’s place at birth, and it was your mom who had od’d and you who had witnessed a brutal murder at a tender age. Do you suppose you would be sitting where you are, typing the words you are today? Not a chance. Things would be different, and VERY different for you. Would you be where Nicholle is now? Who knows? Not you, or any of the other self righteous can know how you would handle the pressures of anyone else’s existence.
You’re obviously not reading what I wrote very carefully and have some preconceived notions about what I’m saying that aren’t accurate. To answer your question, I’d say that I might have an even chance to have made the same poor choices that she made and as a result could quite possibly have been the one murdered last week, had I been faced with her upbringing. I don’t think that you or I or anyone else are any better than these people. I well understand that it’s harder to make good choices when many of your associates and friends and even family are trying to point you in the wrong direction. But that doesn’t change the fact that dealing drugs or even using illegal drugs is a VERY poor CHOICE and eventually leads to a bad or horrible outcome almost every time and this poor choice that she made (drug use) is what led to her losing custody of her child and ultimately her death. If even ONE young person of ANY background sees that connection and makes another choice instead, then these deaths won’t have been in vain. Or we can pretend that her lifestyle choices had nothing to do with it and that it was just a random act that could have happened to anybody and no lesson will be learned by anyone.
well put
I believe that jtsailjt, as well as myself would have not gotten involved in Drugs and would understand that dugs led my father to kill his mother and that my mother die from drus. So you jtsailjt and I and many othere poster’s would still be alive and would not have fallen into the same trap that be fell out mother and father…
If you are unemployed, on a Sunday night you typically go to bed earlier so you can be up bright and early, to get a jump on the new week to look for employment. You do not go out partying on Sunday night.
forgetting the past, they wanted to have a little fun. But now they have paid the price. RIP you where all taken way too young.
Fun….what is fun about using drus…..fun is going swimming at the local pond, boating with your friends, fishing, or playing cards in the evening…. all activities that can be done without being high….
My gram said:
But for, The Grace of God, there go I.Let he, who is without sin, cast the first stone.
Love them as, I have loved you.I could go on and on…but this sums up the gist of it…
amen
I don’t care who you are and what your circumstance in life may be, drug use doesn’t end well for anybody and that includes smoking pot. I’ve tried (and mostly failed) to get a couple of the young men in my family to understand this. It’s a different world than when I was growing up during the end of the Vietnam War, which heralded the real beginning of marijuana use in this country. Whereas you could smoke “weed” back then and not have to worry about losing your job, pre-employment and ongoing spot drug testing can mean the end of your career before it ever gets started. It doesn’t matter if you only do drugs on weekends. It doesn’t matter if you only smoke one joint. It doesn’t matter if you’re the most talented employee on the job. Drug use destroys lives and leads to the kind of scenario that resulted in this case. It sickens me to see that we’re losing an entire generation of our youth. I don’t know what the answer is but it sure doesn’t lie in legalizing pot.
Keep talking to the kids, ole man (wink, from an ole lady), as I do about the treachery of addiction , I always say, “if you lay a good foundation, they’ll come back around, but if there is no foundation or it’s crumbled, there is nothing for them to come back to” and that is where the most danger to them and others occurs, statistically speaking, about the age of 27, give or take 5 years.
It’s also important to mention that enabling any addict in anyway is seriously harmful to them and the people around them.
Although, Ole Mainah, I disagree on some level with the way addiction is “handled” by our governments and decisions makers, I admire your bravery and courage to continue to address it with honesty and integrity.
But, I do know that this is, in part and parcel, a direct result of the continuation of bad drugs laws. “They’ve” been throwing bags of money at the problem and now made it worse. I think about the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over again and expecting different results; trillions of dollars spent, hundreds of thousands of lives ruined, and still, you or I could take a hundred dollar bill right now and exchange it for whatever “illegal” drug we desired and be back in less then an hour, in just about anytown, Maine.
This (drug war) onion has many ugly, rotten layers on it that must be pealed off and thrown out to protect the tender, healthy insides. Slapping dollar bills on it and spraying it with perfume is not helping.
Right on oldmainer
Reading all these comments half of them make me sick. Who are any of you to judge anyone because of their past. You all probably have a past to. Some people choose to break the cycle and move on to a brighter future some people have a harder time doing that. This is coming from a girl that knows from being abused as a child and watching my brother be abused you either move past it and let those happeneings make you stronger or hold you back. It took me until about 6 years ago to let go and my son is the biggest reason for that I wanted to do better for him and be a amazing mother but be an amazing mom there is no such thing its called being the best mom you know how to be like my mom was to me and my brother. Now our father on the other hand was a drunk and a very angry person. Luckliy enough my mom meant an awesome man who I gladly call my dad everyday. Youy make mistakes and you learn and pick yourself back up and keep going. Everyone meets rockbottom at some point in their life. Needless to say regardless of their lifestyles or what they did or didn’t do does not JUSTIFY SOMEONE SETTING A CAR ON FIRE WITH THEM IN IT. And it doesn’t matter what part of town you live in or what state you live in there is good and bad you have to be the judge of where what and who you involve yourself with.
So true! You CAN do IT! There IS hope that could come from this tragedy. Don’t let your friends memories be dishonored by repeating this curse onto your community and loved ones next (not you per se, Amanda, I’m speaking now to any drug user reading here).
If you haven’t been blessed with a loving support system, to help you achieve your greatness, go befriend some who will. It’s easier then you’d think to make new (clean) friends. Embrace strong, healthy people and activities in you’re life. We’re out there, and we really want you all to be part of the fun.
I’ve watched people survive and turn things around, and a few not make it “out”. I’m watching now from as far away as I can physically be, lives being ruined but still more lives being saved.Once (or twice), I laughed for 5 hours due to a personal experiment I performed with mushrooms, my early love for all things science, perhaps, compelled me(?). In hindsight, it is NO where near the joy I felt listening to my 6 year old grandson explain how tadpoles turn into frogs, or standing on the rim of the Grand Canyon for the first time, or leaning low into a smooth empty corner on my Harley… all things you can’t do while drugging, or tweeking from withdrawal.
Life is hard enough on a human, under pretty good circumstances, but with a little work and commitment, it ‘s way worth living (relatively) clean.
thank you hipbee….this was well said..
Thank you, Amanda! Big hugs for you!
Wow surprise, there are drugs and drug convictions involved with each of the deceased? Big surprise that it ended in disaster. If you have small children, it’s time to grow up and clean up.
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We all follow a path in life that is forged by our choices. Sadly the path that these 3 young adults were on did not lead in a good direction. In the case of the young woman her path was laid out before her by her horrible upbringing. I hope that the young children of the two men are able to steer clear of the life that claimed their fathers at such a young age. Sad story for everyone involved.
Read again, this was NOT typical Luke. The kid had no idea what he was getting into.
It definitely sounds like he was more interested in hanging out with Nicolle than anything else. Appears to be a complete victim of circumstances…
I go to a church where Park Place or park bench, Yale or jail, gay or straight, sober or addicted you will be accepted and loved right where you are; knowing that when Jesus gets ahold of your life he won’t let you go. This is exactly why: There are people out there to know there is hope without dope.
it sounds so similar to to the case of the fireman drugrunner from florida only thing he tried to collect and he found himself murdered. i think that guy has a great self defense case in belfast. wonder if the groups new each other. wonder if the two cases are connected remember the car being found at walmart. wonder if they are connected
I would say that based on reading the article that this is sad all around. It sounds like for two of them it was wrong place wrong time. And it also sounds like the owner of that apartment is DEFINITELY either hiding something or scared out of his mind (hence the line “adding that he and his family no longer live at the residence.”) Yep, something sure isn’t right about this, and I feel bad that they met their ends this way. I truly am sorry to the families for their losses.
I beleive that the place they were living was part of Bangor Housing Athority. I might be wrong on this I do know that some of those homes have been sold to private individuals so I can’t be sure.
Too much information. I’m done reading this rag!
Pretty disgusting how many people on here act so snobby and are willing to take whatever stab possible that they can at these 3 dead people. Regardless of their pasts, 3 kids are now growing up without parents and commenters are playing God. Does it make you feel big?
And where’s any of your “righteous anger” for 3 people who either had kids (or kids on the way) in their mid to late 20’s who thought that they could still mess around with drugs and stupidity instead of get their lives straight to be better parents? It goes both ways.
While I feel bad for 2 of the 3 people involved (and all of the kids), you dont get some free pass for not only being willing to screw up your own life, but have that potentially affect the children involved. Hopefully some of their friends will learn from what happened and try to straighten out (if not for themselves, then their own kids), but realistically, probably not going to happen.
I am in no way saying that these people should get a free pass. They seriously messed up and put themselves in a very dangerous lifestyle. I was only commenting on the fact that a lot of people on this page seem to get some kick out of looking down on the victims and pointing out all their shortcomings in a pretty hard time for their family’s.
I wasn’t trying to stick up for them, just point out that the comment section on here is getting used in a pretty weird way on this one.
Three children might just grow up in a home without drug users as parents!
i hope to god, these kids are taugjt what happened to their parents, and learn from it
so disgusting. how is it any importance to bring about nicoles whole life story??? wheres Dans or Lucas’s? Nok-Noi Ricker and Andrew Neff…… i bet if that was a relative or friend of yours would you write like that…? you should be ashamed.
Personally, have shed tears over the story of Nicolle because it gives me a much better understanding of how nice people get drawn into something like this. It may prevent more from dying and give us a better heart for those around us who may be using and see no way out.
I personally don’t see how most of this article is relevant to the situation at all. Even so, half of this is no body’s business but the family’s. This is a ridiculous article put here for bored people to read so they “think” they know whats happening. If this was my family you’re talking about, I would be very irate!
No pic of the driver of the car?
I dont think discussing their convictions in the past is appropriate to be honest. Im sure the families dont want to read that. A little respect and sympathy goes a long way… My heart goes out to the families of the victims and I hope they find the person responsible for ruining so many people lives. And I cant wait to read that persons convictions, since they are the one that all that information should be dragged out on the front page of the paper, not the victims..
You cant have it both ways. either they report the circumstances, or they dont. If they didnt there would be even more questions. “wow, who would do such a thing, what did these people do? child molesters? rapists? murders?” and people would be upset that BDN did Not report the facts. We would say they are so one sided. I for one like to hear the whole story, not a one sided or half story. that is what papers, tv n radio stations do. and all is public record. When we find the guy that did this should we surpress what he has done in life this far? I think not.
Or would you prefer that the papers dont report about crime, so we can look away from it, like it doesnt happen?
No one has said any deserved it. just that they made bad choices and put their own lives in danger, (save maybe Luke) never mind if one of the children was with them that night (or lukes pregnaunt GF).
and most have offered prayers for the families.
I never asked to have it both ways.. I know they are doing their job reporting but if that were your child would you want their criminal history thrown on the front page?? The family and friends are grieving. Leave those past criminal incidents to the police to figure out, not for all of us to figure out. So they made bad choices, we all have.. Maybe your right in a sense that it may help solve the crime if we knew what they were inolved in, but are we the detectives?? I think not! If they are going to report their criminal history than they should do a page on some good things they did in life also, a memorial type page.. Maybe we all react in a differnt manner than some, my reaction is sympathy not to dig dirt about them..Hey Krazykatlady, all of us in Maine are having a hard time wrapping our minds around the crime that is increasing day by day here in our state.. All I will end this with is this, My sympathy goes out to the family and Im sure your children were treasures in your eyes and it dont matter what anyone else thinks. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
Yes G111 I would want the papper to report past criminal history if these were my children, the hope being that it might save just one other young person from making the same mistakes by using drugs. Drugs do not make for a great life you see. You could be killed like these young people, but you most likely will not have the best life that one could have. The hope is that some young person will start making better life choices.
Terrible story all the way around.To any friends or family of these three.So sorry for your loss. Quite clear that tough lives and upbringings led to some very poor decision making and life choices.Find it very hard to believe they went out at that hour to smoke grass.Why not stay put? Less chance to get haggled by the cops. Just my guess this was a drug deal/robbery by a very sick person. Take the time to explain life choices and doing the right things in life to your children.This is a tragic story. Sorry again to all the friends and loved ones.
I, for one, believe the cards one is dealt at birth have as much to do with their future as the decisions they make in life. For at least the first half dozen years of a person’s life, decisions are pretty much made by those charged with their care, yet deep and ugly scars can be inflicted upon them, scars which affect their world view and so their decisions within it. I don’t know about the male victims from this story, but I do not blame Nicolle for the path she ended up taking. Bleeding heart, you say? You got it.
I don’t know if I can completely agree with this . It’s you and only you who can chose the path you lead. Yeah she grew up hard, but so did I and there needs to come a point in time where you say HEY, this really isn’t working for me anymore. That point should have been when she decided to have a child. That’s a life long decision , if she grew up the way she did why would she wish that upon her child? Everyone needs to take control of their own life.
I doubt she chose to have her mom die from a heroin overdose. Making the best choice is always a challenge, but the degree of the challenge depends on one’s circumstances as well as other factors. I am not willing to judge her in light of her history. And, who knows, in time she may have made better choices – she was still very young. I can only feel sympathy for her and those who loved her.
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I totally argee with you. Nicolle’s Grandmother died when she cought her bed on fire and burned her teenage son with her. Nicolle was in the house when she was a teen and his withe her 2 year old brother while her father stabbed his mother 36 times with a knife and killed her over drugs…these people were both drug addicts. I don’t understand who Nicolle did not see how bad drugs were and understand the taking drugs led to her gradmothers death and was why her father is sent to prison. Nicolle is the 3rd generation now dead because of drugs… I hope that Nicolle’s child will not be the 4th generation distroyed in this manner.
You who are without sin, cast the first stone.!! Saddened by this situation and even though they and we all make mistakes that doesn’t change how they truly affected peoples lives.
In general this is a tragedy; The fact that anyone is getting murdered in Bangor , 3 people at one time is really crazy to me. There is no reason why anyone should be killing anyone else, or being murdered for their mistakes. Everyone deserves a chance to fix their mistakes and change their life’s. It’s unfortunate that these 3 didn’t get a chance to do so.
Just curious as to why an arrest hasn’t been made yet? It seems clear the police know who picked these people up and who was driving?? Just curious why no arrest has been made??
Likely they lack probable cause and/or want to get more evidence.
“Lee said the trafficking charge later was dismissed.”
Yeah, you know, because they just let you walk away from a trafficking cocaine charge.
Right.
My condolences to the families that have lost a parent, or lost a child. To look at this as anything but tragic is truly immoral. May peace find those grieving in good time.
Was the suspect maybe going there for that one person sketchily at 1am in a rental and the other 2 went along
So it’s all reaffirmed or confirmed they were doing drugs, Their past behavior still was in their present behavior so One cannot really have pity, Why was the dude with Nicki if his GF is pregnant, i suppose for drugs.
why don’t all you compassionate folks wake up, They were up to no good, and finally paid the price, Even the Party sponsor family is not living there, did they get evicted?
I suspect a past drug bill was not paid so a message was sent, the killer should be executed but i wonder how many lives will be saved by these 3 deceased giving the ultimate sacrifice so no others will be involved in any crimes as a resulf of their drug use.
You add nothing that I have not already considered. However, I nonetheless reach a very different point of view.
Just to be clear – I am compassionate and fully awake. And I have certainly seen your self-righteous type many times before.
Look in your mirror and tell yourself how smart you are. I remain unimpressed.
I gotta say some of you are cold blooded compared to most drug dealers I’ve met in my life. The world is full of psychopathy, I think most people would be surprised all the place’s and profession’s it resides in. If it could be accuratly measured I think the % in drug dealers wouldn’t be far off from the amount in the medical community etc etc.
What is your profession btw Banghim? Honestly, I’m curious.
right on
I don’t know the kids or their personal lives BUT having been close to the crap that happened years ago with the Joel Fuller killings all I can say is THANK the good Lord I had sense enough to stay away from the coke..For some reason I just didn’t like it…But knowing Joel and others in the case I can say that people from out of state did come here , a hitman was hired and people died for either being a rat or owing large sums of money or from a drug robbery because they owed large sums of money…..When it comes to the drug world those 2 things are pretty constant..I know first hand..May those kids RIP and may God be with their families…No matter what they didn’t deserve to die and when you’re a kid the difference between going home and staying is the difference in going to prison for just being in the car or death because you were at the wrong place at the wrong time is something you don’t even think about…Looking back now gives me the chills and feels like I’ve been kicked in the stomach kinowing how just a couple of decesions changed not just my life but the others that chose differently that are now dead or in prison…..And those that think they are holier than thou should just shut up..
When did people start thinking about the kids?
I was Nicolle’s Resident Assistant during the time she spent in Fort Kent at the University. She was easy to get along with and pretty easy going. My condolences to her friends and family…
Alot of really judgmental ignorant people commenting as I look back through all these posts. I guess its easy to talk bs and be judgmental of the dead when they can’t defend themselves. It doesn’t matter if any of the three victims were involved with drugs or not period and in the end its irreverent because murder is murder. From everything that is in the public arena and media about the three victims none of them deserved for their lives to end this way. Before one writes a comment on this tragedy they need to take good long look in the mirror and consider if they have any right to judge any other human being for anything.
i’m staring to get sympathetic to one ,Nicolle Lugdon, because of what she experienced when she was young
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Hmmmmm……24hours later .Approx 500 new comments that are just as cruel as yesterdays forum. Comments are to be related to “last moments traced”. How horrifying!…….I wont elaborate anymore(I think you have the visual) out of respect for grieving family and friends.
Lucas, Nicolle Daniel including their friends/family and this community are victims of this crime.
Community problem and needs community intervention for 2 simple words. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. No one seems to care. Is this how you want your State of Maine?
So the dude came only for Borders and Ludgon invited herself along which then brought the Lucas guy into the equation because she was the only person he knew. Of course the pontiac dude couldnt say no or it would make it look suspicious and Borders probably wouldnt have gone. So instead of killing one person, he/they had to kill 3 now which if this was a “hit” or something, the big boss is probably not very happy right now which then the pontiac dude is dead or in protective custody. Again 2 or 3 headlights is very suspicious that this was one guys doing. There is no way that car was the drivers car you would have to be insanely stupid to leave that big of evidence to be traced back to you especially after killing and torching 3 people.
I FULLY stand behind you on this….WHY is it that the police donot seem to want the publics help with sucha horrific crime??!! Think of it this way…the cops will release to the news videos of people robbing pharmacies..even when you cant really see the person…the WHOLE video of them walking in commiting the theft and then walking out…BUT as serious of a crime as these murders… TRIPLE homicide … where there is a video showing other vehicles around the pontiac and then showing one person walkiing away yet DONOT release the video???!! Something seems major league wrong with this picture…Ill say it again LET THE PUBLIC HELP!!! WE WANT ANSWERS!!! If the police may not be able to solve this then manybe just maybe the public can!! Give us a chance……
NOBODY deserves to die like this NOBODY!! Unless we are at “an eye for an eye” yet there was no beginnning eye