SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine — Independent former Gov. Angus King and Republican Charlie Summers, Maine’s secretary of state, talked science and math education, government-funded research and development, immigration policy and more during one of the first debates in the campaign for Maine’s open U.S. Senate seat.
King and Summers squared off at a forum sponsored by the Manufacturers Association of Maine, the Portland Regional Chamber of Commerce and the Maine State Chamber of Commerce.
While the forum, held at Texas Instruments’ semiconductor facility in South Portland, touched on a range of issues selected by manufacturing association members, few major policy differences emerged between King and Summers, save for their views on the Obama administration’s health care reform law and their approach to energy.
“Nothing glaring came out,” said Joel Rouillard, environmental manager at Fairchild Semiconductor who was among several dozen who attended the forum. “It was a good debate. It kind of gets us teed up” to make a decision.
Organizers also invited Democratic nominee Cynthia Dill, but she bowed out of the forum Tuesday, saying she couldn’t cancel a government class she teaches at Southern Maine Community College that conflicted with the debate.
King and Summers mostly lined up in their views on federal spending for research and development, encouraging students to embrace the science and math skills needed for many manufacturing jobs, and a short-term fix to the United States’ immigration policy.
King proposed hosting a “skills summit” following the Nov. 6 election where educators and manufacturing industry representatives could strategize about encouraging students to pursue skilled manufacturing careers that emphasize math and science skills.
“The businesses get to have direct input into what the young people are doing,” he said.
Summers lamented fundings cuts to the NASA budget and the removal of many technical skills classes from American high schools.
“We need more focus on science and more focus on math,” he said. “Now, if we want to get to space, we have to hitch a ride with the Russians. I think there’s something fundamentally wrong with that.”
While the United States faces a $16 trillion debt and needs to make budget cuts, Summers and King suggested that those cuts spare research and development spending.
“We are facing an incredible budget problem,” King said. “To cut research funds because you don’t know where it’s going to lead is incredibility shortsighted.”
Both candidates also suggested the United States should allow more people to enter and remain in the country on H-1B visas, which allow businesses to temporarily bring in workers with specialty skills from overseas. But Summers said the emphasis should first be on equipping more people in the United States with those skills sought by high-tech businesses.
“We ought to be focused more on what we can do for our workers here in this state so that they and their children can have the best education possible so we don’t have to look beyond the borders,” he said.
In addition, the candidates restated their support for a tariff on athletic footwear that makes it possible for footwear manufacturer New Balance to operate three factories in Maine, employing 900 workers. That tariff is reportedly on the table as the United States negotiates the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade agreement with 10 other countries, including major footwear manufacturer Vietnam.
King said U.S. negotiators have given up too much in recent years as they negotiate free trade agreements.
“What sense does it make when we say [to U.S. employers], you’ve got to pay your workers and protect the environment and then turn around and say [to foreign companies], you can send us all the shirts and shoes you want, but we don’t care what you do over there,” he said.
The sharpest difference surfaced over health care, with King supporting the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act and Summers calling for its repeal.
Summers said the insurance marketplace should be opened up to more competition so consumers can buy health insurance plans across state lines. He also said people should take some responsibility for their own health and that the Affordable Care Act should have capped payments awarded in medical malpractice suits.
King said he hopes the Affordable Care Act encourages a health care model that emphasizes payments for results, rather than procedures.
On energy, Summers called for an approach based on nuclear power, coal, increased domestic production of oil and other sources. He said he supports plans for the Keystone XL Pipeline that would transport crude oil from Canada to the southern United States.
“We have an oil-based economy whether we like it or not,” he said. “We are not going to get off the oil-based economy in the next five years or the next 20 years.”
But King said that transition could happen in five years if the United States develops its natural gas infrastructure, constructing pipelines and using “gas-by-wire” technology that allows the gas to be transmitted via electrical wires during off-peak hours, then stored.
On tax reform, both said the tax code should be simpler and the country’s corporate tax rate should be lower. Both also called for simpler regulation.
King said lawmakers should be able to sign off on regulations developed by federal agencies before they take effect. Summers said businesses need “predictability” and a small-business advocate who can help them navigate the federal bureaucracy.



I hope Summers will ask Angus about the $135 million he got from the Obama administration for his wind company which then purchased the windmills from overseas.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/angus-king-solyndra-Obama-Department-of-Energy
LOL, no wonder the comments you write read the way they do. You’re just regurgitating what you read on fringe right blogs.
Classic liberal reply! Denigrate the veracity of the source since you disagree with it and yet offer no rebuttal to it since you have none. The problem though Wolf, is that the truth is STILL the truth.
While there may be a bit of hyperbole in the article it’s interpretation, the article is factual. The loan that King wrangled is under investigation—there is no “innovation” at Record Hill Wind to qualify it and if you have the Yale Endowment involved (nice insider connection, King, you priviledged yuppie!), why do you need the Federal government to guarantee the loan?
I guarantee, based on the numbers, that there will be a default for Record Hill Wind. The ARRA Section 1603 cash grant is also public information. At best, Angus King is a sleazy scoundrel. If there were an actual investigation and prosecution (Ha! Not Gonna Happen!), Angus King would be going to jail, not the US Senate!
People, no media in Maine would have the courage to investigate this story. Click here and read it! http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/angus-king-solyndra-Obama-Department-of-Energy
Were there alternative parts made in America? Much of that technology was invented here, but is manufactured overseas, due to lack of investment here.
Why, he already has a lie to cover that.
Why is Charlie debating King in Portland over manufacturing…?
*King has nothing to bring to the table in manufacturing-
*Portland,,,, come on, let’s pick a place like Millinocket, Limestone, East Port, or some place with double digit unemployment and has cheap manufacturing space-
*Why isn’t Dill in on this,,,,,, she bought into the whole Quimby thing- getting rid of manufacturing in Maine…
Charlie, if you really want to show up King and/or Dill, come to Millinocket and debate manufacturing, Quimby Land & the 2nd Amendment
Dill can’t be there … Does she want the job or not?
Will she be able to be there when she got the job?
Why doesn’t King run as a Democrat, better than fair chance he’d have to admit he would just be an Obama syncophant if he ran as a Democrat.
You screech about this day in and day out. You’d fault King for voting for Obama’s agenda, but you wouldn’t fault Summers for voting in lockstep?
I only want honesty, I expect Summers to vote predominantly with the Republicans, He is running as a Republican.
King will vote Democrat, he should run as a Democrat. Not pretend he is independant of either party.
Why does it matter? You’re not going to vote for him either way. Most people realize King is going to probably lean left, but still be independent, like how Snowe leaned right, but was independent.
I want to be able to TRUST politicians not have them play me as a fool.
As do I, which is why I wasn’t sucked in by Gov. LePew.
You’re not answering the question. You wouldn’t vote for him either way, so it doesn’t matter. People recognize that he’s an independent and that he leans left. Do you think you’re uncovering some secret truth when you talk about how he leans left?
Fine, you don’t trust him. Who cares? King is not asking for the vote of the fringe right. He’s asking for the vote of the same people who voted for Snowe.
And move farther left, as liberal as Snow is King is far more left. King will do whatever Obama tells him to do.
So why can’t everyone just admit he’s a Dem, especially himself? Ohhh, because he’s trying to pass himself off as someone who will apply Independent views to DC legislation, when in reality he will lock-step caucus, vote and canoodle with the Dems.
And you trust Summers?
More than I do King.
Summers isn’t claiming to be an Independent, he is willing to say he is on the Right. King hides his Leftistness.
I hate to tell ya, but Trust has nothing to do with being a fool!
You might want to work on the other end
If you were more ???? You would have seen that I I said PLAYED as a fool not being a fool.
Yes, wolf, since King is reportedly an Independent yet shills the Democrat line, AKA the Eliot Cutler modus operandi.
Charlie the Lockstep Monster!
LOL
Where’s what’s her name???
Dill placed herself in a pickle by not showing.
Cynthia…How do ever expect to win?
Re-schedule the class, get a substitute. do something to get in the debates! You won’t be taken very seriously unless you “skip class.” for more important events. You are running for US Senator, for God’s sake.
Summers said he’d like to reduce taxes and regulation that’s holding back businesses. King said he optimistic because of the availability of cheap natural gas. Is that cheap natural gas going to help Maine energy costs or the pipelines taking it through our state?
Intersting that many paper manufacturing jobs have been lost over the years but, according to the Maine Pulp and Paper Association,
“Maine’s pulp and paper industry is producing as much paper as ever, despite the shutdown of some smaller paper machines, thanks to improvements in efficiency.”
Here’s the link:
http://www.pulpandpaper.org/production.shtml
We’re making more paper with fewer people. It’s as simple as that. No left wing political conspiracy. No union crippling of mangement. No over regulation. Just good old American efficiency.
Maine businesses in the Chamber of Commerce should stop the ‘woe-is-me’ attitude and start competing for business the way the paper industry continues to do.
The National C of C has become so disreputable that the Maine Chamber is very close to seceding from it.
So much for the Job Creator Myth!
Profit Creation is what its all about, and anyone who thinks different has Stonebrainitis!
Listen to what Angus and Charlie has to say, they cant figure out why kids don’t want to do skilled work with their hands !
“We need to encourage them to look at trades”
Well Angus old pal, maybe they don’t want to get all stove up and thrown away like trash like their Mothers and Fathers did with the changes that you encouraged in the workers compensation system that favored the employers at the expense of workers!
Nobody wants their Kids in Trades Because of the abuse that has been thrown at them by these greedy corporate liability dodgers.!
VOTE KING
Thats what we need a king supporting a GOD.
What a great debate, with honest differences that are intellectually defensible. I’ve had the pleasure of working with both Angus King and Charlie Summers and consider them both class acts. We should send both of them to Washington to help clean up the Marble Playpen.
Summers will clean up, alright…but not in an honorable sense. Remember, he is the same LeSummers who’s trying his best to restrict voting (how American!), couldn’t seem to find enough registration cards, and on and on.
Riiiiight, protecting the sanctity of the ballot is such a bad, Un-American thing to do! Nice try, Mainegal.
Holy, schmoley, Kouch, could you be in any deeper denial? LeSummers and crew found a grand total of 2, if I recall correctly,instances of voter fraud…and it cost how much to conclude that Maine’s ballot “sanctity” is not in the dire shape they would have us believe.
Do you not understand that restricting voter rights is the goal of the Republican party?
And which groups are they targeting? The poor, college students, the elderly…think it’s a coincidence that traditionally they vote Democrat?
One was somewhat skepical, one might maybe overlook a gaff, some may say, too early for his judgement to be mired down, reaching out with a hopeful, wide handfull of words. King is the right choice, but ya gotta be kidding about Summers, ya must be, he is an air head, puppet on a string, he ran a coffee mess in a second rate airport, non native, his only defense is, well that is what is in my prepared script.
Angus beat the crap out of Charlie in the debate and he will do the same at the polls come November.
Why would there be any difference, their both politicans.
That’s because there is absolutely no difference at all between King and Summers. For anyone really tired of the obstruction of the tea potty GOP in Washington, the only choice is Dill!
CHARLIE SUMMERS 2012 !!!
ROMNEY / RYAN 2012 !!!
Doomsday– 2012!
The Myans where right!
Odd, the bumpersticker I created and ordered online just came today and I would disagree, dan. It says, “Reclaim Maine Vote Democrat 2012”
This reporter indicates that wind power was not a part of the debate that included energy as a topic. I wasn’t there, so I wouldn’t know. But Mr. Wind, Angus King, has brass balls to go to Texas Instruments’ semiconductor facility in South Portland, when the wind power he espouses will raise electricity rates so much that jobs will be lost in this state.
The high cost of electricity is one of the biggest obstacles to Maine having a thriving manufacturing economy. Places like Texas Instruments’ semiconductor facility and Fairchild employ thousands in South Portland. These plants can be relocated anywhere in the USA on a whim or a hard nosed business decision that manufacturing in Maine is too expensive.
Wind power is the most expensive form of electricity generation. It is a blip on the make up of ISO-New England’s electricity, but if the zealots for 20% or more mandate for wind power get their way, we are in big trouble. Double the cost of electricity with 20% wind by 2020 and these large employers are out of here. But we have a hundred or so technicians maintaining the useless turbines that drive thousands of jobs away.
In a Battle of Wits,
Charlie is an Unarmed Man!
Charlie the walking Talking Ken Doll!
Pull his string and he says, You can’t tax the job creators, Less Regulation, more Voter Id!
Pull it again and he says Deregulate , Get government out of our way, Less taxes, No more Foodstamps!
Every time I see Charlie Summers, I wonder who is doing his job. Oh, AAA, that’s it. Charlie you have a job, it’d be good if you’d go do it.
A shame the organizers couldn’t be bothered to invite the rest of those running. It makes them especially silly since Dill dropped out at the last minute. An event with 2/6 of candidates on the ballot is pretty weak.
“Few Differences Emerge…” Stop the presses! What a revelation!
For once in a proverbial blue moon, however, the Democratic Party candidate in this particular race DOES offer a different perspective from these two tired Big Business Party hacks.
Go Cynthia Dill!