MILLINOCKET, Maine — Seven northern Penobscot County residents, including county Commissioner Steve Stanley of Medway, will form a committee charged with opposing Roxanne Quimby’s proposed 70,000-acre national park, officials said Friday.
The Coordination Work Group consists of residents of the unincorporated areas and county towns. Members are Stanley, Terry Hill of Shin Pond, Steve Crouse of Patten, Mark Marston of East Millinocket, Cheryl Russell of Chester, Charles Pray of Millinocket and Don Dudley of Matagamon, Town Manager Eugene Conlogue said.
The county commissioners appointed the committee Monday upon recommendation from the Maine Woods Coalition and Conlogue, a coalition member who was representing the town council when he made the request. Dudley and Stanley were commission recommendations, Conlogue said.
Opposing the park “is the primary goal that these people will have,” Conlogue said Friday.
Quimby’s son, Lucas St. Clair, said in a statement released Friday night that he welcomed the new group, and signaled what might be a significant change in the course toward a national park set by his mother.
“Elliotsville is in the process of evaluating the possibilities for the future of our property, with an emphasis on options that preserve access for the future use and enjoyment of all Mainers for hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, and other outdoor recreation,” St. Clair said in the statement. “As we consider options for moving forward, Elliotsville fully intends to proceed with a new, collaborative approach that embodies the very spirit of northern Mainers.”
Quimby typically bans hunting and snowmobiling on her properties except when the snowmobiles are on trails. It was unclear whether St. Clair’s statement referred to uses that would be allowed on the 70,000-acre parcel as part of a national park or through other means; or on another parcel of Quimby’s land.
Quimby has discussed several options for her various parcels, including creating a 30,000- or 70,000-acre multiuse recreational area for snowmobiling and ATV riding. That area would be separate from the national park, she has said.
St. Clair didn’t immediately respond to requests for clarification after the release of the statement.
The Coordination Work Group was created, at Conlogue’s request, by Penobscot Committee commissioners on Aug. 21. Under federal law, such committees can be formed with local officials and can act as a voice equal to the National Park Service and any other federal agency which might come into northern Penobscot County to advocate for a federal park.
“In the vernacular, it gets us a seat at the table as an equal partner, not just as an interested party,” Conlogue said Friday of the committee. “We are told it [the committee’s authority or influence] is considerable because you have [with the committee] one government group working directly with another at the federal and county level.”
Millinocket leaders and members of the Maine Woods Coalition have opposed Quimby’s proposal to give about 70,000 acres she owns or will own to the National Park Service for a national park in 2016 and to create another 30,000-acre area for motorized recreational usage. The park would be adjacent to Baxter State Park.
Park supporters have said that a study would be the best means of determining the suitability of Quimby’s land for a park. A park could provide a vast new revenue stream for the economically depressed region, they say, and a $40 million endowment Quimby plans to provide, including $20 million she hopes to raise with a national campaign, would cover park maintenance and operation costs.
Opponents challenge the credibility of a national park study and are skeptical of statements made by Quimby and federal officials that a park would not grow beyond 70,000 acres. They say federal authority would infringe on local government and threaten the state’s forest products industry.
Conlogue recommended the formation of the group. He said that while the park effort might have fallen from the radar, Quimby has said she is prepared to work decades to realize her vision.
Some of the committee members are well-known. Pray is a former state Senate president. Russell is a former Lincoln town manager who serves as president of the Lincoln Lakes Region Chamber of Commerce. Marston is an East Millinocket selectman.
Commissioners sent a letter to federal officials seeking federal recognition of the committee. Their response will likely guide the committee’s next move, Conlogue said.
County Administrator Bill Collins did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
Council members praised Conlogue’s selections when he announced the formation of the group at the council’s meeting Thursday.
If she wants it to be a park, fine with me. Just don’t pawn its’ oversight off onto the taxpayers. She can be entitled to any revenue, and be responsible for the cost of managing it.
That would make more since if 90% of the people in the area where not living off of the government
Where do your mis-information come from as usual?
Here you go. This is a map of the US with government benefits broken down by county.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html?ref=us
I really makes those northern Mainers who oppose the park look like bums to resist anything that will bring in jobs.
Far cry from 90% have your seceretary check again. And the Northern counties do not look all that different from the Southern Counties. And again, we do not need the Federal Gov. taking State of Maine land. They do not have the money to take care of the parks they have now, and Quimby’s money will not be enough to take care of it all.
For a Lord, you don’t speak the King’s English. “Where” should be “were”.
My Secretary usually checks these things for me. Thank you for filling in for her while she’s out… obtw. Do you do windows?
Ah-yup, there is an insight into who these anti pahk people really are….
and how they lie.
“Just don’t pawn its’ oversight off onto the taxpayers.”
Like the opposition has done with the county commissioners ?
Not sure what you mean. I’m not familiar with all of the details.
That’s nice.
Glad to hear from you, anyway, Whale Farts,.
Since you have Quimby, RESTORE, NPS, NPCA and Elliostville all pushing one side with quite a bankroll why shouldnt the opposition have a seat at the table. I forgot to add FEN Friends of Baxter and many others
35% of all income earned in that part of Maine comes from a government check.
Instead of fighting against this park they should be lining up to work for it and all the other jobs this park will create.
These 7 people and their families should be exempt from unemployment benefits in the future.
You must have forgotten employers pay into the unemployment insurance fund. So, in reality, it is paid for by the people who buy products and services across America everyday. Most realize that UI at times is inadequate to meet demand but it is not as if the federal government collects it from our income taxes as a sole source. So Bangorian, once again your elitist perspective is lost in the facts.
What about welfare recipients. They need jobs.
Poor bangorian, it must be terribly confusing to go through life completely wrong on most everything one said.
Who wants the Federal Gov. to take over Maine lands.
Lot of folks here love the idea.
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/09/11/news/aroostook/northern-maine-base-could-deter-missiles-national-academy-says/
Interesting. A base in the Caribou area could be a last line of defense. And think of all the jobs that would be created to build that. And the businesses that would spring up in the area. A true economic boon. Too bad the feds already shut down Loring.
Exactly, so why do people oppose a National Park ?
Who does not want the Federal Gov. to take over some Maine lands ?
Why ?
Okay, let’s try the reasonable, factual approach. Roxanne Quimby owns the land, purchased all legal and proper. If you don’t like what SHE wants to do with HER land, then how about you come up with an OFFER TO BUY IT from her. Maybe, if you meet her price, then you will have earned the right to have a voice in how that land is used. Until then….
This is still the U.S. at last I knew, thought I am unsure about the the White House. I do have to the right under the Constitution to voice my opinion and opposition to a Federa Park. Until she goes away I do have that right. Unless this is a communist country. I do have the right to cross her land on foot to any lake that is 10 acres or more and she can not do anything about it.
“I do have the right to cross her land on foot to any lake that is 10 acres or more and she can not do anything about it.”
get off yer plush posterior and hop to it then!…..
don’t hear ya getting your shoes on. distracted by another episode of Jerry Springer, eh….
Great idea.
How many jobs do you really think this park will bring with it? If you don’t live in the area, you don’t have a lot of credibility to speak on the subject. Thats equivalent to me wishing for a new nuke plant on Old Orchard Beach. I suppose you don’t support an East/West highway either. This is far more than a 70,000 acre park. Lets try 3.2 million on for size. Maine doesn’t need people from away deciding their future, it should be up to the Maine people if it comes to that.
”
This is far more than a 70,000 acre park. Lets try 3.2 million on for size. ”
I hate lies and fear-mongering.
It is not honorable nor credible.
So where did pull that figure out of ?
I think the number is actually a figure that was advocated for before by numerous people as 2.3 million acres. Whether or not that happens is up to debate, things will sure get interesting over this subject matter in the future.
JUST SPECULATIVE LIES AND FEAR MONGER THEN, RIGHT ?
How much acreage does Ms. Quimby own ?
Well apparently you haven’t kept up with the issue. Let me bring you up to speed, the group RESTORE which Quimby was (and is still linked too) part of were pushing for a large national park. One concern is that with a national park of the size she is advocating for now, it will only be a starting point for her original goal (which was 3.2 million a simple search on the subject will show that). I don’t think that it’s a lie or fear mongering, it is a real goal that was expressed at one point in time and there is nothing to say that the original goal is not something that is still being worked towards. What you are suggesting is that any time someone has goals and plans that may change over time on a controversial topic, that questioning and expressing concern over it is fear mongering? If that mind set were applied to the multitude of things that occur everyday than a large number of people would be fear mongering. I don’t think fast food is healthy for people and it’s consumption should be limited. Does questioning it’s benefit to people make me a fear monger, probably the fast food companies would say so, but in reality it is no different than you calling someone that had a legitimate factoid about the acreage that was originally the working goal for a park, a fear monger for expressing concern over the possibility of a smaller park growing to the acreage of the original goal.
Yes, Kired and Quimby, herself has made statements numerous times which were in interviews saying she hoped this donation of hers would be the “seed” for the 3.2 million acres proposed by RESTORE. Just like his “namesake”, Mitt doesn’t have a clue, yet is ranting and raving about the issue. “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see” the truth is out there, Mitt, rather than believe everything the Quimby supporters are telling you, do a little investigating of the facts.
No matter how many times a lie is told, it is still a lie. The funny part is that Quimby & friends keep forgetting the last lie they told. This is proven with the facts and links at
http://www.preservemainetraditions.com if you read “Evolution of a Farce”. No speculation-FACTS.
Oh my goodness the greatest government on earth, represented “by the people and for the people,” and she is worried that Ms Quimby is doing something horrible by gifting it to the United States of America.
” Well apparently you haven’t kept up with the issue….
the group RESTORE … 3.2 million … expressed at one point in time …”
Can we just talk reality instead of how various crack pots, of all stripes, frame the “issue” as being their crazy dreams or irrational fears, please ?
So are you denying that , now, really, actually, and in all honesty that all the land currently under discussion is only about the size of just Isle Au Haut ?
Isn’t it really well less than 5% of the landmass of just Penobscot County, ALONE, so hardly the whole paper plantation ?
” What you are suggesting is that any time someone has goals and plans that may change over time on a controversial topic, that questioning and expressing concern over it is fear mongering ”
Ahhh …. , yeah, sure, … why not when reality intervenes ?.
So how much land have these people actually legally purchased and talk about making into Park, now ?
But I do get where you coming from.
I’ve heard a political group that talks about cutting taxes because it might balance the budget and end the deficit, too, somehow, if you deregulate Wall St., too. Can image that ever happening, or that it might be taken seriously politically ?.Who can’t see it would lead to a huge economic collapse once the economy got top heavy?It is just what believing lying fear mongers, rooted in past delusion and failed dreams, instead of dealing with the current reality could lead to if we all were not careful to reject the vocal extremism of fear mongering.
Should we believe all the crack pot’s talk and act as it were real as we try to diversify the County’s economy?
So is a mere 5% of just Penobscot County REALLY too much land to restore and preserve as a natural climax forest, ( and carbon sink ) ?How many acres is that, actually?
How many acres is being discussed, NOW, again, Sir ?
Isle au haut is listed as 12.7 sq miles which equals 8128 acres. It is that type of math from the pro park side that concerns most of us.
INTENDED LIE OR MERE STUPIDITY ?
You might be talking about the ORGANIZE town,
may-be, at best, not the whole Island, you dolt.
Are you just that ignorant, or a liar into cheating and MORE disinformation ?
But does it matter as it typifies all the rabid hatred that thinking people are tired of pretending to respect.
Geography
According to the United States Census Bureau, it has a total area of 109.6 square miles (284 km2), of which, 12.7 square miles (33 km2) of it is land and 96.9 square miles (251 km2) of it (88.43%) is water. Isle au Haut is an island approximately 6 miles (9.7 km) long by 2 miles (3.2 km) wide in Penobscot Bay,
109.6 sq. mi = 70144 acres
How much land does Ms. Quimby own.
It is not loss on me that you people don’t want to say as it undercut the lie that you base you emotional fear mongering upon.
INTENDED LIE OR MERE STUPIDITY ?
Nice. Getting angry Nitt? I will restate your diatribe
‘You talking about ORGANIZE town, may-be, at best, not the Island, you dolt.’
Then one sentence later you state
Isle au Haut is an island approximately 6 miles (9.7 km) long by 2 miles (3.2 km) wide in Penobscot Bay,
6×2=12
The island of Isle au haut is 12.7 sq. miles. Once again facts get in your way of your opinion. Check your own contradictions they are just like Roxannes.
Then one sentence later I stated;
“United States Census Bureau, it has a total area of 109.6 square miles.”
So I’ll let people decide the point about honesty and if a silly 3.2 million acre pipe dreams are worth letting cloud the real point:
Is conserving 5% more of Penobscot County such a awful thing ?
And why are those opposed being so deceptive and hateful about it all … beyond intimating the County Commissioners ?
Who, BTW, have now made their usually proforma re-election into a race.
Who’s who there and are they up for election ?
People in favor of a future for the region need to know and vote accordingly.
BANGOR, Maine — Penobscot County commissioners voted 2-1 Tuesday over the objections of Commissioner Peter Baldacci to oppose Roxanne Quimby’s proposed national park.With Baldacci saying that the commission should hear first from Quimby or her son Lucas St. Clair, two commissioners opted to join the state Legislature, both U.S. senators and U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud of East Millinocket in opposing the park.Commission Chairman Tom Davis and Commissioner Stephen Stanley…
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/08/21/news/penobscot/penobscot-commissioners-oppose-quimby-park-plan/
Oh boy, watch the fun now as the bully-boys attack a different … the wrong… person.
Sorry Pete, it’s so like back on the school yard, with you having trouble ’cause of your chubby little brother .
But then, that makes the bully-boys just like the _____ brothers, too, who no one could ever tell anything.
Just how fitting is that ?
ROTFLOL.
But the more important thing is who are Davis and Stanley, and do they represent your vision of our future and the quality of life you see as being what a Penobscot Valley person wants to leave our grandchildren ?
Elliostville website sasy it currently has over 200,000 acres of land and that it has concluded that federal protection through the park service is the best option for all of the land. Taken from the website- http://keepmebeautiful.org/about-us/history.html
‘EPI’s ongoing land acquisition efforts, communication with local recreational users to identify their needs, and collaboration with the National Park Service has led Roxanne and her foundation to conclude that federal protection is the best management option for EPI’s lands and the public’.
Wow listen to that garbage. Its her land and hopefully she will give it to Feds so they can create some jobs for the area. The torrified wood plant will create maybe 125 jobs when at full capacity 5 years from now. That will really help us out a lot!!
Do you have factual figures on how many people a national park would actually employ or how long it would take to create the jobs? The last figure I saw thrown out was about 25 jobs at the park, but facts don’t appear to be of much importance and figures/statements change quicker than the weather from the pro-park side. Guess that is what happens when you lie, it gets harder to keep track of it all.
We don’t really know because you are afraid of a study to see the economic benefits. I would go out on a limb and say a lot more than 125 jobs. Most likely in the thousands of new jobs.
They like to say hundreds and Hundreds of thousands of people will visit.
“I hate lies and fear-mongering.It is not honorable nor credible.So where did pull that figure out of ?”
Mitt, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!!!
Instead of accusing me of lying, why don’t you do a tiny bit of research. The Nature Conservancy, AMC, Sierra Club, and RESTORE have been purchasing land easements in western and northern Maine for years now. Unfortunately for them, they can’t connect the dots themselves, but the park would act as an anchor. And as far as jobs go, Acadia Park employes 100 full time people. Hardly a large employer. And what would this park bring to Millinocket for prosperity that Baxter Park hasn’t already done?
Plenty get your head out of the sand. We are broke with no jobs.
Have you ever been to Bar Harbor in the Summer? There are thousands of jobs and hundreds of businesses that exist solely because of the Park.
How many of the jobs in Bar Harbor are filled by local people vs H1B visa holders?
Just a small clarification, easements are held on private land for all kinds of reasons. They do not usually grant public access, and the land owner would still have to sell or donate the land if it were to become part of a park even if such a use is allowed by the easement. My understanding is that a good number of northern Maine easements are there to maintain the land as sustainable working forests, and parcels under such easements would likely be precluded from becoming a park, or at least if they did they would have to continue to be working forests.
” Well apparently you haven’t kept up with the issue…. the group RESTORE … 3.2 million … expressed at one point in time …”
Can we just talk reality instead of how various crack pots, of all stripes, frame the “issue” as being their crazy dreams or irrational fears, please ?
So are you denying that , now, really, actually, and in all honesty that all the land currently under discussion is only about the size of just Isle Au Haut ?
Isn’t it really well less than 5% of the landmass of just Penobscot County, ALONE, so hardly the whole paper plantation ?
” What you are suggesting is that any time someone has goals and plans that may change over time on a controversial topic, that questioning and expressing concern over it is fear mongering ”
Ahhh …. , yeah, sure, … why not when reality intervenes ?
So how much land have these people actually legally purchased and talk about making into Park, now ?
But I do get where you coming from.
I’ve heard a political group that talks about cutting taxes because it might balance the budget and end the deficit, too, somehow, if you deregulate Wall St., too.
Can image that ever happening, or that it might be taken seriously politically ? Who can’t see it would lead to a huge economic collapse once the economy got top heavy?
It is just what believing lying fear mongers, rooted in past delusion and failed dreams, instead of dealing with the current reality could lead to if we all were not careful to reject the vocal extremism of fear mongering.
Should we believe all the crack pot’s talk and act as it were real as we try to diversify the County’s economy?
So is a mere 5% of just Penobscot County REALLY too much land to restore and preserve as a natural climax forest, (and carbon sink ) ?
How many acres is that, actually?
How many acres is being discussed, NOW, again, Sir ?
Can I assume that you responded to the wrong post?
I was stepped on by Baldy’s spam.
I figure people should see what he is really replying to.
The dishonesty of some has it own ripple effects.
Please don’t take it personally.
Doing so feeds the trolls, but not standing up it empowers the bully-boy tactics.
lol … it reminds of old Stearn’s basketball teams presenting the same sort of problems.
Mitt, Please review the following link. RESTORE and Quimbys words in the press for the past ten years. I can send you the supporting documentation if you wish.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/groups/205109046243858/doc/243762725711823/
‘ The land she has bought so far generally will be left alone so it can recover from heavy logging, she said. In the future, campgrounds and visitor centers could be built on some parcels. She hopes ultimately to donate the land she buys to the federal government for inclusion in the proposed national park.’
So who is selling her the all the cut over land ?
The woods industry operators, right ?
So all your points about her ruining the industry hinge on accepting that the industry itself must be suicidal.
Left alone because she does not want anyone on it.
52. The ‘ Friends of the Maine Woods’ Facebook page as of 04-18-12 contains a posting stating ‘Roxanne Quimby has graciously and generously offered 70,000 acres of her own land for the establishment of the Maine Woods National Park. This gift is a start to what can be an even greater gift.’
53. The ‘Friends of the Maine Woods’ Facebook page as of 04/30/12 Contains the following link http://www.mainewoodsnationalpark.com/ . This website calls for a 3.2 Million acre park.
54. The ‘Friends of the Maine Woods Website- ‘Fact vs Fear’ section states that they do not support the 3.2 Million acre park. The next paragraph then uses economic impact numbers taken from a study done for RESTORE on the 3.2 Million acre park.
55. The ‘Friends of the Maine Woods Website- Fact vs Fear section contains the following passage and link “Meanwhile, a 2001 study by an independent University of Montana economist say”’. That link goes to Mainewoods.org a RESTORE website advocating for the 3.2 Million acre park.
No one is interested in reading all that hogwash. It makes no sense and well beyond your scope
48. Forecaster Southern Edition Dec 1 2011- ‘Dill did not hear about the national park issue until a Senate vote to oppose the park in June’. (June 2011)
49. Directors Cut by Regis Tremblay 8/22/11-Senator Cynthia Dill has become an outspoken supporter of a new national park in the State of Maine.
*in two months she went from never hearing about it to an outspoken supporter, can anyone name 12,000 reasons why this took place?
50. Sun Journal 10/23/11 Interview with Cynthia Dill-She also believes any great emphasis placed on the will of the people of Millinocket and East Millinocket is misguided. This park won’t be in East Millinocket or Millinocket. It will be 40 to 60 miles up the road. Chances are access to the park won’t go through East Millinocket or Millinocket,” Dill said. (75% of the proposed park is within 20 miles of Millinocket)
*(RQ’s official proposal list Millinocket and East Millinocket under ‘Regional and Park Access”)
51. Forecaster Southern Edition Jan 5 2012 article about Cynthia Dill- “Last year, she founded “Friends of the Maine Woods” to support a proposed national park on land in Aroostook County owned by Burt’s Bees founder Roxanne Quimby.” (now the 40 to 60 miles up the road makes sense)
43. National Parks Traveler magazine also says that the proposal calls for a park of 3.2 million acres created in time for the National Park Service’s centennial in 2016.
44. Maine Woods National park website calls for a 3.2 million acre park http://www.mainewoodsnationalpark.com/the-park.html
45. Maine Woods National Park and Preserve website http://www.mainewoods.org/ lists Roxanne Quimby as the Co chair. It states that the proposed park is 3.2 Million acres. Its map is the same as RESTORES map for the park.
46. National Parks Examiner March 29 2012 In all, RESTORE hopes to protect 3.2 million acres of woodland as a Maine Woods National Park and Preserve. “Our goal is to have Roxanne’s land protected by the National Park Service centennial in 2016,” said Kellett. “This would be the largest single national park land donation in United States history. Once that park is created, we think the people of Maine will realize what a benefit it is, and want to expand it.”
47. The ‘Friends of the Maine Woods’ is a lobbying group founded in August of 2011 by Cynthia Dill to advocate for Roxanne’s gift. Dill created the group after receiving a $12,000 (August 2, 2011) donation from Roxanne Quimby to her PAC. She then funneled $5,000 of that donation into the new lobbying group.
38. Maine Public Radio 9/21/11 -“I (RQ)feel best about limiting the conversation to land that I own so that’s why I’m talking about 70,000 acres and not 3.2 million but theoretically the sky’s the limit!”
39. Keep Maine Beautiful Website (RQ’s website August 2011) – EPI’s ongoing land acquisition efforts, communication with local recreational users to identify their needs, and collaboration with the National Park Service has led Roxanne and her foundation to conclude that federal protection is the best management option for EPI’s lands and the public.
40. Friends of Baxter newsletter Fall 2011 Vol. 10 #4: The total land area Quimby hopes to convey is approximately 140,000 acres.
41. The National Park Conservation Association website has a page highlighting Roxanne Quimby’s work. It states that the proposal is for 3.2 million acres.
42. Until the fall of 2011 EPI’s website maintained a link to RESTORES website. This was removed after park critics pointed it out.
34. RESTORES WEBSITE May 2012 “American people love their national parks.” Ms. Quimby hopes Mr. Spalding and Restore’s [Maine] director, Mr. St. Pierre, are right. The idea of a park, she said, “floats my boat.” She prefers that her 75,000 acres become a base on which Restore’s 3.2-million acre park could be built.
35. Sun Journal May 2011- Nearly 20 years ago, after Restore: The North Woods unveiled its plan for a 3.2-million-acre Maine Woods National Park, Roxanne Quimby became an immediate fan.
36. Sun Journal May 2011 – I still love the vision of a 3.2-million-acre national park in Maine,” said Quimby, “but I know it’s not going to happen in my lifetime. This is what I can do now. (Remember the 2003 comment-This Park will take years to put together, in phases)
37. In a May 5, 2011 public meeting for the Millinocket area residents at the Timber Cruiser Hall George Smith and Roxanne Quimby spent two hours assuring everyone that it is just a 70,000 acre park. Roxanne had the event videotaped by the Maine Woods National Park Campaign which produced the following video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rQni5JXWjg. The Maine Woods National Park Campaign is a group calling for the 3.2 Million acre park. The end of the video lists the Campaigns:
Executive Director – Michael Kellett, Maine Director Jim St. Pierre Maine Woods Project Director Ken Spaulding
*Coincidentally they have the same jobs and titles with RESTORE.
30. Maine Watch 2009 with Jennifer Rooks— Jym St. Pierre: the 3.2 Million Acre Park can start out as something smaller. Roxanne Quimby has been acquiring land up around Baxter State Park area and she has said that she is interested in donating that land to become the seed for the National Park.
31. Maine Magazine profile of Roxanne Quimby June 2010-Since 2001, Quimby’s nonprofit, Elliotsville Plantation, has purchased over 120,000 acres of undeveloped land in northern Maine toward what she hopes will be the Maine Woods National Park.
32. June 2010- A meeting with Rep. Chellie Pingree to discuss legislation for a National Park feasibility study regarding Roxanne’s donation of land for the Maine Woods National Park is organized by ……….…Drum roll……………(you know the answer don’t you)………….. !!RESTORE!!
33. RESTORE NEWSLETTER September 2010 ‘MAINE WOODS NATIONAL PARK CAMPAIGN MOVES FORWARD’ – Philanthropist Roxanne Quimby has acquired another 29,500 acres increasing her conservation lands within the proposed Maine Woods National Park to 120,000 acres.
24. Yankee magzine 2008 ‘At the time, Roxanne was on the board of RESTORE: “People up there hate RESTORE, so I put some distance between us at that point. I didn’t need that.”
* As of May 2012 Roxanne Quimby is still listed on the Restore website as calling for a 3.2 million acre park.
25. The Quimby Family Foundation lists RESTORE as one of the beneficiaries of its grants for 2010 and 2011
26. The Quimby Family Foundation lists the Forest Ecology Network as a grantee for 2005, 2006 and 2008. The Executive director of FEN is Jonathon Carter. Jonathon is one of the proponents of the Northern Forest Land Study proposal from the 1980’s which advocated for a park stretching from Maine to the Adirondacks’.
27. The Maine Woods- FEN Newsletter-Jonathon Carter Has this to say: the fight to restore wilderness in Maine has only just begun … Conservation easements or small parcel protection are not acceptable…..Full fee acquisition is the only way to completely protect the forests for the future.
28. Forest Ecology Network website states- FEN, in concert with other environmental groups, is also campaigning for the creation of a Maine Woods National Park. (That link goes to RESTORE).
29. Yankee magzine 2008 ‘There is nothing more real than real estate, and Roxanne has repeatedly said she would like to see the lands she has acquired become the seeds of a new national park. What she owns now would be a very credible beginning’
19. National Park Conservation Association Magazine Fall 2005- ‘One solution is an ambitious scheme to turn a sizeable portion (Northern Maine)into a national park. The proposed 3.2-million-acre Maine Woods National Park and Preserve would secure an area larger than Yellowstone and Yosemite combined’. ‘Quimby hopes to donate the 50,000 acres of contiguous land she now owns to the National Park Service as part of the 3.2-million-acre planned park.
20. National Park Conservation Association Magazine Fall 2005- RQ referring to gateway communities-“It’s a collection of artists, galleries, retirees, investment banks, hospitals, and lawyers—an eclectic community where people want to live because the natural beauty is protected. Nobody’s flipping burgers—and if they are, it’s the same people that would be flipping them anywhere else.”
21. The Maine Woods— Forest Ecology Network (FEN) Newsletter Winter 2006- Ken Spaulding Executive Director of RESTORE: Maine Woods Park Proposal at-a-Glance—Create, over time, a 3.2 million-acre national park and preserve in the Moosehead-Katahdin region of northern Maine
22. NY Times Nov 7 2006- She (RQ) prefers that her 75,000 acres become a base on which Restore’s 3.2-million acre park could be built.
23. 2008 National Parks Second Century Commission— Committee Reports: Future shape of the National Parks—There is strong regional and national interest in a Maine Woods National Park that has benefited from substantial private initiative to support conservation.
Michael Kellet, Executive Director of RESTORE sat on this committee. The substantial private initiative that is referred to is Roxanne Quimby’s land purchases.The committee recommended adding the Maine Woods to the National Park system
11. Maine Enviormental News 11/24/2003. ‘Her goal is to buy as much forestland as possible, help it become truly wild and donate the land for a national park. The environmental organization RESTORE: The North Woods is working to establish a 3.2 million-acre national park and preserve around “forever wild” Baxter State Park. Quimby has been a public advocate of RESTORE’s effort’.
12. Portland Press Herald—12/07/03— Quimby was outlining her plan to buy as much land as possible in northern Maine and create a national park.
13. National Geographic News Feb. 2004- Americans for a Maine Woods National Park, an interest group that was founded by RESTORE: The North Woods, a conservation organization that’s spearheading a protection plan for an enormous swath of woodlands in the U.S. East. The proposed national park would encompass 3.2 million acres (1.3 million hectares), an area larger than Yellowstone and Yosemite combined.
14. Northern Sky News June 2004- She recently left the board of RESTORE, and is now active with a group called Americans for a Maine Woods National Park. The group is actively working to get more people outside northern Maine interested in the park proposal.
6. Bangor Daily News July 10 2001 In fact, she said, ‘very few people derive a living from the woods. She says most people do as she did before she became a wealthy businesswoman: They cut some wood, farm some vegetables, make some crafts to sell at fairs’.
7. Christian Science Monitor 9/20/2001-But the park became her real dream. She joined Restore’s board last year and is now buying up land within the bounds of the proposed park.
8. Patagaonia Enviromentalism: December 2002-But while public support is slowly building, RESTORE: The North Woods has helped jumpstart the process by finding private buyers for a few key tracts. Roxanne Quimby, owner of Burt’s Bee’s lip balm, has been purchasing thousands of acres with the park in mind.
9. Americans for a Maine Woods National Park and Preserve Announced 2003- Formation of a new group of national leaders called “Americans for a Maine Woods National Park” has been announced by its Co-Chairs Will LaPage and Roxanne Quimby. To date, 110 distinguished Americans from many walks of life have joined this national advisory committee in order to promote the proposed 3.2 Million acre Maine Woods National Park and Preserve
10. RESTORE Press Release May 5 2003, Roxanne Quimby-This is all part of the natural process as people voice their ideas and weigh what such a Park could mean to them. This Park will take years to put together, in phases.
70,000 or 3.2 Million acres?
Evolution of a Farce
Change of Tactics does not mean a change in Agenda
1. Maine Woods Vision Fall 2000-RESTORES Newsletter – First Lands Purchased for the Future Maine Woods National Park!!! As you can see from the accompanying memo, a dedicated friend of our national park campaign, Roxanne Quimby, has purchased nearly 8,200 acres and intends for them to become cornerstones of the future Maine Woods National Park and Preserve!
2. Maine Woods Vision Fall 2000-RESTORES Newsletter- Roxanne understands that no single person is going to create the 3.2-million-acre Maine Woods National Park. But together, through an effective private-public partnership, we can do it.
3. Maine Woods Vision Fall 2000-RESTORES Newsletter- IN RELATED NEWS: QUIMBY WAS RECENTLY ELECTED TO RESTORE’S BOARD OF DIRECTORS!
4. Bangor Daily News July 10 2001- ‘ The land she has bought so far generally will be left alone so it can recover from heavy logging, she said. In the future, campgrounds and visitor centers could be built on some parcels. She hopes ultimately to donate the land she buys to the federal government for inclusion in the proposed national park.
5. Bangor Daily News July 10 2001 ‘Quimby, 50, is a member of RESTORE’s board of directors. Like a modern-day Percival Baxter, she hopes to nudge the park from dream to reality by buying up the land herself.
This junk is too long. You may have an opinion, but nobody is interested enough in it to wade through all of this.
Love it Bangorian, for years you have been accusing the opposition of being paranoid and lacking facts about the RESTORE/Quimby agenda. When the proof is shown to you it is too long for you to ‘wade’ through. Sorry but facts are facts and when there are many of them they take time to read.
What you have written is the proverbial eye wash syndrome. It is boring and of no value what so ever.
God forbid you base your comments on facts! Big difference between “opinion” and “fact”, but I can see you aren’t aware of that.
Fact is people need jobs to live. Fact is people pay taxes. Fact is we have no jobs so no tax revenue goes to the towns or the state or the federal government. Those are simple facts. Preserve Maine is in some sort of fantasy wonderland. Get real!
Fact is no taxes on Federal Property, fact is Quimby uses the tree growth tax to avoid paying taxes.
So what. Good for her.
You do not like reading opposition facts then I guess.
Yeah Mitt..I didn;t get that either what did you mean? 3.2 million?
It is their BIG LIE.
Ask them about it, OFTEN.
That and asking how much land Ms. Quimby, actually owns gets you the full treatment
here.
I think the real point here is how and why did the County Commissions take this position.
But how safe is going to a public hearing, and disagreeing with these people, face to face ?
But the amount of land actually under discussion less is than 100,000 acres, an area fairly compared with just the island of Isle Au Haut.
It less than 5% of the land mass of just Penobscot County, not the whole North Woods.
Mitt, Mitt, Mitt…if you are as informed as you mistakenly believe, you would know that Quimby has earmarked the land she wants to “donate” to be the “seed” for RESTORE. She has said this many times and baldrock’s posts can show you this should you actually wish to see facts rather than name calling and making a fool of yourself.
You should harvest seeds and try to sell them to the mill as pulp logs, too, then.
How would that be any different than how you are misrepresenting the reality of the situation ?
Isn’t the latest bail out of the mill seen by some as the seed for regrowing a strong Union, too? Dreams are dreams.
Can’t we talk reality, for change ?
and the land of the free is shrinking that is the problem. ps good post
You think being a welfare bum makes you a real Mainer? My families history is the history of Maine. If that what it take s to ask people to get a job, instead of drinking all day and living off the government.
I bet more than the 37 jobs provided by the torrified wood plant
And hand over Maine land to the Federal Gov. to control.
Why do you hate America so much?/ Are you a Canadian who is afraid you’ll lose your job in Maine once we have affordable healthcare?
Affordable, yea sure he is going to ruin Medicare and S.S. Makes me wonder about some of the Presidents supports. It is Obama care, not affordable healthcare.
Absolutely correct. What is wrong with the people on the town council do they want the town to evaporate.
If you should need help and/or support fighting Roxey in the future, count me as one.
Are you afraid you will have to get a job if this park opens? :)
what a seasonal or fastfood job.
What a bigshot you are. A job is suppose to be better than welfare. Its an honest living.
I never said it was not an honest living. You and others seem to portray all these jobs available. And some will still be on welfare. Diffence is the Federal Goverernment will own Maine land.
So whats wrong with the US government? You from Canada or something?
It takes away states rights. Are you aware America is about States rights governed by the Federal Gov., with states having individuality; which has been and is being eroded. Sounds something like Communism.
States rights, in 2012, is just an excuse not to do what is best for America as a whole. The Civil war is over fella’s and states rights lost. The Constitution should be rewritten to reflect this.
In the State of Maine we have the right to fowl or fish to traverse to any lake larger than 10 acres. This is a State right, unlike the Federal Gov. or other states.
You are basically arguing that it is okay if Chinese entrepreneurs buy up Maine, but wrong if Americans preserve the beauty of the state.
I enjoy photography, hiking, looking at the beauty that God has given this state. I do have to right to argue to keep the land in the State’s ownership.
The state owns nothing.
You’re right the people of the State of Maine do
Nothing wrong with the federal government. They do an excellent job on land ownership.
Is that why so many parks are not being repaired, and lack money.
Cool, the George Wallace-Lester Maddox approach.
That is getting somewhere.
It should be noted relative putting how they present the issue into its proper perspective.
The Neo-Mc McCarthyism is is not worth mentioning.
I’m just saying.
And yet you want to take away her rights as a property owner.
I’ve never wanted to take away her property rights. Though, if she is so big on people seeing the land, interesting she is so willing to block it off. The excuse of pepole littering is a valed attempt at best. Unfortunatly that happens all over. People can use others property wisely. We do not need a Federal Park to do it.
Just wanted to tell her what she can do with it? If you want a say in how that land is used, make her an offer and buy it!
I do not have to buy it. I can oppose a National Park. Sounds like greenies are more communist.
Instead of Chinese entrepreneurs. But I guess you’d rather that China owned America, as long as it is business, wouldn’t you?
Big deal at least it will provide jobs. The Feds do just fine. A lot better than the state in providing jobs which we need desperately
Sure that is why several people I know that work for a federal agency are getting laid off before the next fiscal year unless something changes soon, and why many of the federal agencies in this state haven’t hired anyone new except for seasonal’s for 3-6 months. They will be feeling the pinch just like the states have been, and just like the common man did before them. Sure the feds have money but they aren’t in a position to spend any when they are complaining about not having enough to effectively manage lands they already own, I commonly hear from federal employees that money is an issue at their facilities.
Right. The Feds can’t even maintain its finances. So we want to throw more money out the window just because it creates a few jobs at best. Though will be a huge drain on the state’s economy and population. We can’t even maintain what we have now. The people in this area have spoken through referendums and they have rejected it. If it isn’t even supported by Locals , Maine’s Business Community, Gov. LePage, Gov. Baldacci, The Legislature which voted with overwhelmingly, and Congressional leaders why keep the process going. It makes zero sense. Spend money on areas that do draw tourists like OOB, Bar Harbor, Camden, Moosehead Lake, Sebago Lake, Rangeley Lake, Boothbay etc.. That is what Maine should be doing not listening to what enviros want everything the enviros have gotten has failed.
What referendum, no one has voted for or against Roxanne giving her land to the United States of America. She can do as wants because she owns the land silly.
True she can do what she wants with it, does not meaqn we do not have the right to voice our opinions against a Federal Park.
At least the Feds wouldn’t turn it over to the Teatards to run like our Governor did with Ft Knox.
I have no problem with that. The state has done nothing so maybe the United States government who I have a lot of respect for,will do something useful like allowing people to enjoy the land.
Never heared of winter sports. They are very popular now that we have microfleece.
If she wants a park, let her run it as a private park. She can charge
admission, set the rules and pay her taxes – and oh by the way, those
“jobs” would still be there. We need less government workers, not more.
Maybe she could make it a tax-exempt Boddhist retreat! Buddhists make good neighbors.
The way the yahoos treat her leaving it all to PETA might be justice.
In the rolling paper fantasy world in which you grew up the mill supported Northern Maine. This womb to tomb exorbitance was wonderful. A worker would leave graduation parties after high school and race to the mill for the seniority. That number that would rule their life. If you could run up and down a basket ball court you were set for life. The last class of workers to the mill was in 1975. The rolling paper fantasy is over. In jthe real world workers take any job they can get. hopefully there are jobs to chose from. A summer job leads the way to more education and educated workers, workers are able to sustain an economy. The choice between no job or a job in the tourist industry should be a choice young people are offered. Instead we rehire the old school of thought. The forest industry is good to us and they will take care of Charlie Pray. Charlie Pray will represent us in this rolling paper fantasy and we will all live in this land beside Caribou Lake?
And you forget C. that your fantasy world of hundreds of thousands of people flocking to this area is something out of Alice in Wonderland. Also that it would be FEDERAL Land. Amazes me how little the Quimby side takes about Federal control, loosing State resources. We can enjoy resources without a Federal Park, although Quimby and you and cohorts wish to trounce away hunting and fishing in favor of Federal beuracracy, which can not even pay for the parks they have. You keep bringing up the excuse of the mill passing away as to our part. Sorry you have not been listening, that is not the only thing we look at. We are not narrow minded in our look out for this area. Greenies want basically no access, no hunting, don’t hurt the fish, don’t hurt the blackflies. Hunting and fishing have been around for all Earth history. Get over your diatraub about the mill. How about Tractor Supply, soon they will be breaking ground on the Torrified wood, look at the positives of what is going on. Also I am not a Democrat, and I hardly agree with Charlie as a choice.
Charlie is a terrible choice if you are in favor of a NP. I can see no difference between State Control or Federal Control. They are both do the same and both have EPA agencies.
There is a difference it takes State control away as well as the Great Ponds Act.
Sweeping her floors?
I would offer to help you fight that Quimby dude, but he looks pretty tough. :-)
Looks kinda like Lou Ferrigno
I don’t understand why these people are so against Roxanne. I would like to meet her. Commenting about her looks Has nothing to do with a PARK and I think it is mean and uncalled for in this matter.
Me too, I don’t understand what the problem is either! For a year I’ve been reading both sides of this issue and there is no serious reason for stopping a park. Frankly the big problem seems to be that local folks are afraid their unhindered freedom to tramp through the woods will be limited. Heck, if Quimby wants to put her property off limits and post no trespassing signs then that is her business. She owns the land! I believe that many of these same people who rail against the park would be the first to put up signs limiting access to their property if they felt a need. Rather, Quimby seems to simply want to preserve the land for future generations. And hey, maybe it will create a few jobs at the same time. I know I know, the logging industry will have you believe this will kill a 1000 jobs in Maine. You know, those jobs that pay so well (sure!). Well here is a news flash, the logging industry is already dead in Maine and those jobs are either gone or going.
George, we don’t have a problem with Quimby doing what she wants with her land. Our problem is with it being turned over to the federal government. Just the tip of the iceberg on that one is the “buffer zone” that would then be claimed around a national park. This will affect all of us and the economic development that we are trying to bring to the area.
If Quimby wants to block access to her own land, so be it, but a national park would do much more than that.
As for jobs, could you support a family on a low wage job without benefits? Why would you think people in this area should? The pro-park side keeps insisting it will create all these “jobs”, but they ignore the fact that it will prevent better paying jobs from happening. If you look at the news, rural areas, in general are having the same job and development problems-it is not just a Millinocket problem, yet some would like everyone to think so. If you had really looked at both sides of this issue, you would understand this. If you truly want to understand “both sides”, you can read about the no park reasoning at:
http://www.preservemainetraditions.com
Facts and proof are always a good thing to base an opinion on.
Basically you’re arguing that if Chinese entrepreneurs buy the land and wreck it, you’re fine with that. But if Americans try to protect the beauty of their country, you’re against it.
I said nor implied no such thing. Please don’t try to make statements for me. I can’t even say you twisted anything since what you are saying has absolutely nothing to do with my post.
I am perfectly able to speak for myself.
Mainers are Americans and we have already protected the north woods-which is why it still exists and is so sought after.
So, what I AM saying is I am against a national park in northern Maine.
I disagree that it is already protected–because private owners, including companies, might well sell it to Chinese entrepreneurs. In fact, there is already a lot of foreign ownership of Maine. So, I’m just trying to make your position out logically. And logically you are for private ownership, which doesn’t protect the land from China, and you are against public ownership, which does protect the land from China.
Have whatever opinion you please on my position with this issue, but don’t make a statement for me. You are more than welcome to disagree. In fact, I believe we disagree on almost everything. But, your logic and opinion on my statements or thoughts don’t dictate or change them.
As far as I am concerned, selling land to Quimby is somewhat like selling it to Chinese entrepreneurs…or Matt Polstein. lol Given a choice, I would prefer to see it belong to the State of Maine and the people of Maine- like Baxter State Park.
Does this mean you think all of the land in the U.S. should be federal land so that Chinese entrepreneurs can’t buy it?
But rather than cloud it all with your opinion of my position, I will re-state that I am against a national park in northern Maine and leave it at that. BTW, if the land had not been treated as it has for all these years, it would not be what it is today. It would be like southern Maine, over developed and lacking of the beautiful wilderness we enjoy here. Analyze that, but don’t tell me what I am saying or thinking- I believe I am quite clear about that.
Fact: if the land is privately owned, it can be sold to Chinese or other foreign entrepreneurs. But if the land is a Park, it cannot be, and the beauty will be protected against such dangers of private ownership.
You can spin and duck and weave all you want. I will continue to point out this problem buried in your faulty arguments.
You just can’t stop can you.
If the land is a STATE park it cannot be sold to the Chinese entrepreneurs that you so fear. Quite frankly, Matt, I wonder if you are afraid they will buy up land that you have your eye on. lol
For someone who has bought (using questionable methods) large parcels of land that others were denied the option to buy, funny that you would now come on here and whine about private ownership. Maybe your land should be turned over to the federal government so it can’t be sold to Chinese entrepreneurs since you own a good chunk of it and don’t seem to think private ownership of large land parcels is good.
Keep trying to point out things that don’t exist, I wouldn’t expect any less from you. I don’t bury anything in my comments as I like to say what I mean and mean what I say. If you find fault in that, good for you. We will never agree, but I won’t waste my time trying to pick apart your comments. I have better things to do, like point out facts about the damage a national park would do to this area and reveal lies that pro park people continue to say. As for lgreen48, you really are funny. I don’t waste time liking or disliking people I don’t know enough to form that sort of opinion about. I dislike the actions of some people. If that causes you to have an adverse opinion of me, I won’t lose sleep over it. I truly do hope you seek help for your obvious issues and wish you well.
You seem fixated on someone named “Matt,” but I am glad you want public ownership of the land. The problem with private ownership, as I say above, is that it doesn’t protect the heritage and beauty.
LOL
The fact is, the land has been privately owned for 150 years now and it is just fine, and always will be.
Maine Kat really dislikes Matt. That tells me a lot about her. I happen to like Matt and respect what he has done and has tried to do to improve the area.
Millinocket is in Penobscot County.That is not Northern Maine….Northern Maine starts when you enter Arroostook County from the South. So I guess your against a National Park anywhere in Maine. Well truthfully I think all these committees etc. that are setting themselves up for speaking for all Maine citizens is a farce….from a recent poll, there is more Maine residents who want a National Park than against. I think they ought to open it up to a referrendum this fall and put this thing to rest once and for all. Let the Maine people vote for or against and let the chips fall where they may…..
I will read it MaineKat.
Thank you, George.
Well I did read some of the info on the site your link led to. Honestly, with all due respect MaineKat, it doesn’t change my opinion. The site reads more like a smear campaign than supplying facts and figures. Admittedly I didn’t read everything though. Sorry, it didn’t change my opinion at all. Still, thanks for the opportunity to read up on the views of so many.
That is just not reasonable or true. The paper industry and logging industry are gone forever. Therefore is no incentives for large corporations to move into this area, as the demographics of the area do not fit their business needs. The bottom line the area has nothing to offer them in the way of trained personnel. No people live here that can support anything but paper making and that business is dead.
and where are you from?
Not that part of Maine. Does that mean my opinion has no value? It sounds as though that is what you are implying.
Hey, stop trying to create federal jobs at a time we should be downsizing fed gov. Ms Quimby’s generous offer will be a burden in the hands of the feds. Ms. Quimby, use your own resources to fund the access to your pristine property or give it away to someone, not a government, that can afford your vision
I’m sorry Alice if “you” don’t understand, but Ol Quimby has called us a lot worse, and didn’t understand why we hated her after the fact.
Quimby is an untrustworthy, lying, blackmailing, threatening, manipulative millionaire that has burned down people’s homes, and hurt many.
Watch the movie For the Good of All
http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm
go eat caulk!!!!
If she gets her park and they erect a statue in it to honor her, it’ll scare off all the wildlife.
Clear cutting doesn’t ?
Just so you know, Mitt, Quimby has been buying clearcut land which was clearcut ONLY because the owner was selling to her and wanted to collect all the profit he could before selling it. Had the owners not sold the land they would not have been able to, nor would they have done this.
Quimby appears to have no problem with this since it gives her a great photo op to turn around and say loggers are clearcutting and destroying the forest. In reality, Quimby is destroying it.
Time is on her side.
How is pulp industry doing ?
Thats a good one mitt, keep them comming!
I must confess I am not up to snuff on the controversy over the National Park or why there is such bitterness about it,, (I will get there..I will work to understand it).
My question is a superficial one.
The economic boon of Acadaia National Park is enormous stretching even down here to Stonigton/Deer Isle..not just because of the Ferry access to Isle Au Haut but because “Acadia” to tourists and visitors implies access to this world famous park..2nd only to yellowstone in annual visits. It makes whole communities possible and local jobs for local folks in a wide circle possible in retail stores, restaurants, antique shops, galleries, hotels, vacation rentals, lawn, garden and maintenance services, guide services on and on..
I don’t quite support myself renting out two guest cottage on my property. I collect and transmit to the state 7% on every dollar I take in in rents. I pay to local labor and local companies who mow, garden, seek household goods and supplies, sell lumber and hardware, repair roofs, do carpentry etc, etc. about 30% of what I take in in rent. Additionally for every dollar I take in in rent, my guests spend an estimated 70 cents in the local economy on food, entertainment, guided tours, kayak rentals, trip son the Isle Au Haut Ferry, purchases in local galleries an shops, purchases in our on island super markets and pharamacies that make it possible for us to have these establishments year round.
We are a fishing community. We wnat to be a thriving fishing community not a winter empty tourist center like Bar Harbor in the winter but there is no question that the economic benefits of proximity to Acadia National Park make it possible for us to have stores and service sin winter that we would not otherwise have.
I don’t understand why people don’t think the proposed National Park wouldn’t have these same board far reaching economic returns and job growth.
Great points, thank you, and as always I encourage you to post sooner so more people read your words.
Thanks Spruce Dweller..very kind of you, as always
But I truly want to understand why with all these demonstrated geographically huge benefits demonstrated by Acadia there is so much bitterness and determined opposition to the National Park proposal.
Why is that?
Is this just a churning of the tree huggers hate jobs mantra that the profiteers use against g
anything that suggest responsible management of our natural resources or is this to do with an actual history between Quimby and folk up there?
As you suggest, it is a matter of human psychology, not a matter of reason. I honestly don’t know how to make reason more important than psychology in terms of affecting social movements and debate.
Thanks Spruce Dweller..I trust your wisdom on this..so it really is just the ‘kool aid” that “tree huggers are anti job” at work here?. There are no real issues caused by bad faith on the part of the Quimby National Park folk?
Isn’t that a shame. People and communities who need the jobs and enormous economic boom this would create for so many standing around in a circular fire squad because they”d rather have no work at all than the many and varied small business entrepreneurial jobs this park would create.
A real shame.
I really don’ understand why people act, vote and speak against their own self interests.
A mystery to me..
It is a matter of both reason and human psychology. It has a lot to do with Federal control also, and the loss of State rights.
good luck with that sermon. I am an American and proud to have national parks to visit.
I am proud to have National Parks to visit also, does not mean we have to have one here that the U.S. can not afford.
Yeah lets not improve ourselves and create some jobs. The US does not have to pay out Quimby is giving them $40,000,000. Even so they can afford a national park that is a lame and silly argument.
Well, I will re-check my figures. It was reported she was giving 20 mil in support and trying to raise another 20 mil, to aid in running the part. But I guess facts can be juggled to your way.
Whatever but at least we get some serious long term economic benefits which has been lacking for ever.
Maine’s hinterlands and Maine’s coast are an apples to oranges comparison. What works for one area will not necessarily work for the other.
The Maine coast has historically been a tourist destination. Even before Acadia was established, the wealthy used the coast as it’s summer playground. Interior Maine on the other hand has not been a big tourist draw even though the land has been accessible for the type of experience that this proposed national park would provide.
I encourage you to take a trip into Maine and look at the property Roxanne proposes to donate and then decide if the economic returns and job growth enjoyed by the coast would come to fruition in the hinterlands.
Clara thanks for your point..I will keep that in mind. Isnt Kathadin a comparison? Doesn’t that have many many many visitors? What does Katahdin do for local jobs etc.?
Actually though Clara, while i prefer to live on the coast I am no stranger to Maine’s wilderness. I have not visited the specific area of the proposed park though and I will.
So your position is that creating it as anational park may involve restrictions that hinder other opportunities for economic growth without returning the same level of benefits that Acadia does over such a wide area?
Whatreal and present opportunities do you see being hindered by the park?
If you truly seek answers to these questions, they are covered clearly at-
http://www.preservemainetraditions.com
That is pure garbage.
And all the information Quimby and the Preservationist put out is fact.Certainly a lot garbage there.
Thanks very helpful..however I am very suspicious of anything that Maine Forest Products supports..they are trojan horse builders extaoridnaire interested only in the quickest and highest profits and not in Maine communities, its traditions or its people.
Me too
Preserve Maine Traditions has nothing to do with the forest products industry. It is a group of individuals who value and honor an outdoor way of life that has benifited many for generations. We are sick of the disinformation and lies that come from the RETORE/ Quimby camp. We set out to expose their contradictions and point out what is working.
Concerns are that changes brought about by such a large park will have a negative job loss effect. Good union jobs will disappear to be replaced by $8.oo/hr service jobs.
Now as far as ‘quickest and highest profits’, that is the nature of capitalism. Like it or not that is the system we live in. If the goal is to end private enteprise well good luck with that. Paper copanies are no diferrent than any other national or international companies that create, build, hire and sell products. It is part of the economice engine for all parts of Maine, we need more of that not less.
Caring for communities- ask the workers in guildford, sangerville, dexter and dover about their old boss Roxanne up and moving her entire compay to North Carolina for cheaper wages. How is that caring for a community.
Most of the supporters of the park have this romantic vision of the region but have never visited. I would certainly suggest visting to see what it is you are voicing such strong opinions on. Talk to the locals find out their opinioin.
Hi Baldrock,
Maine Forest Products name and their philosophy leapt right out at me there at that “Preserve Maine Traditions” website.
First, let me say, my grandfather was superintendent of the mill in Lincoln during the depression and until his retirement in the early 50’s. I grew up in Lincoln to the age of 7. My family has been in what is now called Maine since the late 1700’s . I now live in Stonington, a place with its own roots in traditions and community that also go back to the 1700’s.
I am a strong believer that honoring these traditions and strengthening these ancient ties to community and culture must be front and center in all official Maine policy especially economic development, infrastructure planning, and job creation. I would like to see that added to our State constitution. It appears in the modern constitutions of many democratic nations who want to make it clear that democracy is not synonymous with unfettered capitalism.
I disagree completely with the core premise at the Preserve Maine Traditions website that as a matter of policy we should rely on the largesse of large landholders for public access. Even in England that is a matter of law not of largesse. And I know from sharing life in this community that public access, especially as related to earning a living, must be protected in law to work. We have had to work hard here to include access for the working waterfront and recreational access for island families to our few swimmable beaches and that is safe guarded forever through partnerships between the town and conservation non profits. These partnerships have enriched and strengthened the fabric of our community and they have secured a place into perpetuity for public waterfront access as it has always existed expressing as one of core values as community the preservation of this access.
Near the end of his life I asked my father what my grandfather would think if he were alive about the unfettered pollution mills caused during my grandfather’s tenure. There is no question my grandfather would be very sad about that and that if he had lived during the time of the clean water act and other wise policies we put in place to protect our earth, he would have worked hard and been a leader in keeping the mill going and making its transition to “green”. He was a wise man . He lived deeply from a sense of obligation to the families of the entire region that depended on the mill for work.
It is a myth that up holds polarities that don’t serve Maine communities or the preservation of Maine values and traditions that wise management of earth limits job creation and economic prosperity. It is a myth that plays out every day in these blogs and as long as we are manipulated into believing and promoting that myth we are victims of the trojan horse builders like Maine Forest Products.
I agree completely that what Quimby is doing is not leadership and does not arise from any understanding or regard for Maine Traditions and culture and communities in our north woods and does not include any awareness of or commitment to the pressing need for economic revitalization . Quimby herself is a polarizing figure setting her values and personal ambitions against the will of the people. I can see that very clearly. If she ever really wants to preserve 3.2 million acres of wilderness as a national park she has to become very silent and step aside.
I also agree that any vision of a national park of that scale must encompass and provide for the livelihood of the communities within it. The Adirondack Park +++++ as it did not really have that as a value front and center and any national park in this area must recognize and build into its planning the preservation of the culture, traditions, quality of life and sense of community that has always existed . It cannot be a park that aims to remove all buildings and all signs of human habitation. It must be park with its own unique vision.
It is worth going for, once we have that vision clearly in mind, because it is a national treasure and we need federal funds to help us preserve, protect and manage it but it cannot be the traditional national park model. It has to be a partnership with local communities.
As far as I know, the National Park Service isn’t thinking that way, just yet.
Baxter Park is a very limited park with many rules and regulation. Most people cannot visit the area because of limited admissions and lack of easy walking.
Yes its quite a silly position, that most people do not buy.
That is to be decided by the people who visit the area.
And the people that live in the area.
No its her land and she can do as she pleases. She can give it away or purchase more land.
Hi Lindsay, this is just the latest chapter in a 25 year plan by the NPS and RESTORE to designate a large chunk of northern Maine as National Park. The 3.2 Million acre proposal by RESTORE was an outgrowth of the 1988 National Park conference on mapping its future.
The RESTORE 3.2 Million acres is in the bread basket region of the woods industry in Maine. To lock this up would effectively end that industry for the state.
Ms. Quimby came on the scene by 2000 with the goal of purchasing land as a seed to jumpstart that larger proposal. She has repeately stated that her goal and vision is the larger park. Her current proposal to the NPS though just for 70,000 acres is seen by those in the region as just one more attempt at something much larger.
Her current proposal before ther NPS states that to make it self supporting it will need to attract 300,000 visitors per year. That is interesting because just what is there to look at in this park? Not much. It currently lacks access to the northen region as she would have to cross other properties. It has 4 nice waterfalls in the Northern section on the East Branch but they would all be walk in or canoe in.
She has a right of way to the southern areas but it is not known whether full scale road develpoment would be allowed. The scenery is limited other than views of another park from a couple of peaks that lack adequate trails for 1000’s of visitors.
The proposed park also has no ammenities that a park like Acadia has. RQ’s donation only provides a trust that will generate $800K a year towards operations and maintencne. Where does the money come from to establish a park that will attract 300,000 people? Camp grounds, picnic areas, roads, handicap access, potable water, waste water disposal, staff housing and headquarters. Acadia spent upwards of $20Million in the 2000’s upgrading facilites how much do you think it would cost to start anew? The park Service curently has a backlog of $8 Billion in repairs. It has no money to create a new park.
If the argument is one of protecting the eastern boundary of Baxter, that has already been accomplished by the conservancy she has placed the land in under Elliotsville Plantation known as the East Branch Preserve. It is safe from development unless..(ask Wilson pond)
If we really look at the preservation argument over half the land in the 3.2 Million acres is protected from devlopmnet by either the state lands or forestry easements. So is the goal to protect from development or bring to an end woods industry which many enviromentalists would like to see?
This is not a right vs left issue as spruce dweller and bangorian would like to frame it. The oppositioin attracts many; states right advocates and back to the landers,Democrats and republicans, Union memebers and business owners.
baldrock,
Thank you for this wonderfully clear and well written outline of the issues over the national park. It helps me a lot in catching up a bit.
So what actual existing sources of work and employment would be displaced by the 3.2 million acre plan and by the 70,000 acre plan?
I am talking a bit out of school here as I am not an expert on the Adirondack park history either but have spent quite a bit of time there and have studied a little of how it came about and how created the designation without displacing existing businesses or hindering new business growth. Overall the park designation, I am told, has been good for the vast region it covers economically and otherwise.
I am looking to the Adirondack park highway regs as a possible model for how to integrate more substantial transportation infratsructure with environmentally sensitive areas.
Perhaps the Adirondack Park history has something useful to tell us as well about he deeply polarized and polarizing issue of a new national park.
Lindsay, I grew up and live in a community much like Bar Harbor. It is 40 miles down the coast and its tourism numbers rival that of Acadia/Bar Harbor/MDI. Not all of the MDI economy is NP driven. The entire coast of Maine is a magent for summer visitors, tourists and retirement. Now I am not saying that Acadia does not have a lot to do with the summer numbers for MDI but what happens there after Columbus day? It is a ghost town.
The economy of Northern Maine is more diversified than MDI but in need of more industry and good paying jobs like anywhere else in the state. Not low paying seasonal service jobs catering to tourists 4 months of the year.
Snowmobiling is a huge winter industry for the region with 1000’s descending on Norhtern maine every weekend. Cross country skiing is available but its numbers dont rival that of snowmobiling.
Existing tourism with hunting, fishing,camping and canoieing bringing in over 200,000 people to the region each year. We have not needed a Natianl Park to recreate in the North Woods. These oppurtunities already exist.
The land that is being ‘given’ for the park does not have National Park characteristics.It is very similar to the northern part of Baxter which goes unused for much of the year. Here there is another contradiction, if you listen long enough the Pro-park side will begin to describe areas that outside of Roxannes’ 70,000 acres. There is just not much draw other than fishing and hunting. It will not being back repeat tourism like Acadia or Baxter does.
There is going to be no development in Millinocket because there are no skilled workers and few people to purchase products. They have left, retired or passed. No people equals no Millinocket. Baxter Park will be its only resource, which in itself is not enough to sustain the area.
A sad and misguided step, given the long-term benefits a Park will bring, compared to the short-term benefits of factory work. And we all know the factories will fire the workers as soon as it is in the best interest of the rich owners.
What factories. The only one in the area is a huge welfare pit that will close as soon as the Brits figure out how to make their own coal substitute.
Great Northern Paper director of operations abruptly resigns
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/08/21/business/great-northern-paper-director-of-operations-abruptly-resigns/
He was in a position to see the writing on the pulp room wall.
Well, Lord Whiteman, you are welcome to go to England and live in the socialist quagmire they’ve built over the past 8 decades! I’ll bet we could raise the airfare and moving expenses in a short facebook fund raiser.
My ancestors drove the English and the French out of Maine so you can lay about drinking and collecting that government check.
Now you have a chance to get a job and your babbling about England. Are you sure your don’t just hate America?
I love this country and will continue to defend it against socialists like you. You should’ve joined the French and English when you could because you certainly speak like you agree with their politics.
Lord Whitman is correct. Let get people jobs, get them off welfare, and stop the bickering.
Mama Whiteman:
“That boy’s been such a disappointment…………..”
I’m in!
A Federal Park which takes Maine land. You guys still do not get them taking Federal Control. The Federal Gov. does not have any money, and can not take care of the parks they have.
Yeah they can print all the money they want. They can take care of it just fine.
Last time I looked, all the Parks are still there, with all kinds of restaurants and shops and lodging around.
It’s that, or a welfare check for the region.
I guess you’d rather have Chinese businessmen own the land, huh?
Roxanne is going to sell to Chinese businessmen if the park doesn’t go through? Hadn’t heard that.
Hmmm, like Quimby taking her jobs and busines out of state?
Or like Matt Polstein moving his business out of Millinocket after (many strongly believe) using his former council position in Millinocket to garner favors on land deals and his questionable organization, MAGIC to “create” economic development? A lot of area town funds were spent and lost on this-with NO economic development- except businesses its two town council members were involved in.
The reasons and facts for our opposition to a national park can be spelled out for anyone at http://preservemainetraditions.com.
A national park would be very misguided and devastating for the area. There are no long-term benefits of federal control of our Maine woods. Quimby has been working this farce for years. The facts speak for themselves and are well laid out at-
http://preservemainetraditions.com/unanswered-questions/
What garbage Preservemainetradition expounds. It is pure unadulterated hogwash.
Since you appear to be so out of touch with reality, I have no doubt at all that facts are of no interest to you, so your comment is no surprise. Do you think it could be senility creeping up on you, or are you just a naturally hateful and vile person? Either way, I beg of you, please seek help.
I am not mean, hateful, vile or senile. I read the entire site and it is complete hogwash.
Must have contained mostly pictures.
You are correct it was quite a silly site. Completely political. If you believe that hogwash I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
Gosh, lgreen48, never let facts get in the way of emotions. That is the problem with this country at the moment. All emotions and no facts.
The facts are simple–Parks bring tourists, tourists like to eat, sleep and shop.
Yes or no?
We already have a park. It is called Baxter STATE Park.
Another Park means new tourists, new restaurants, and so on. You know it does.
Baxter has better views, more pristine waterways, and the best natural features. Any new park would be second rate and certainly not draw additional visitors, only folks already there for Baxter or other reasons.
“Another park” cannot compare to Baxter-owned by the state and people of Maine. As you made sure to be the first “new restaurant” in the area by- questionable means, I understand why you keep pushing this. Are you prepared to pay for all the new roads and services it would require or do you expect the town of Millinocket or State of Maine to pay for the “yellow brick road” leading to this new park? Wasn’t it proposed that the town pay for a shuttle bus to Hammond Ridge at one time? Who do you think is going to build all these new businesses? Finally, where do you expect this vast number of “new tourists” to come from? Let’s face it, you and Lucas St. Clair/Roxanne will say anything to push this through-and you know you will.
The facts are there and statements have been published about the Quimby agenda. For anyone to try to say it has changed is nonsense. Quimby has also publicly stated that she will not stop until she gets her national park. We are not stupid people willing to believe every or any lie that Quimby & son put out there to achieve their goal. Quimby has a long history of making promises and then not following through once she gets what she wants.
Yeah but they restrict its usage to such a degree that few people use it.
zzzzzzzzzzzz or attend the entertainment corridor in Bangor, don’t forget the entertainment corridor please. It’s all about the booze, eating and spending, don’t ya know.
Oh my goodness the greatest government on earth, represented “by the people and for the people,” and you are worried that Ms Quimby is doing something horrible by gifting it to the United States of America.
I totally agree.
“The county commissioners appointed the committee Monday upon recommendation from the Maine Woods Coalition and Conlogue, a coalition member who was representing the Town Council when he made the request. ”
So will the County Commissioners please appoint and fund in the same way, a committee of supporters, too?
Why not ?
The County Comm. are in oppsostion, so it makes sense to appoint a comm in opposition.
Why, are majority of Penobscot County’s voters?
How was that determined… the volume of the crazy few ?
Quimby is already doing that.
Ad Hominem Tu Quoque alert.
Kat, Mitt Nival is proving he is pompous; he is just saying you are being hypocritical. Take it from the source.
Bygeezes I can be just as common and ignorant as any Penobcot man, too.
But some contrast is in order heah, for the sake of representing the whole Penobscot Valley.
You just can’t stop sneering, can you. You definitely deserve the same fund raiser as Lord Whiteman. We can send the pair of you to England (or some other socialist realm of your choice). This is America – we don’t want socialism; we want freedom and government minimalism. One might wonder why liberals (who are generally preaching material minimalism to the rest of us) tend to pursue maximums for governance? You don’t honestly believe those who govern honor the minimalist principles? Surely you might find yourself in your own “Ad Hominem Tu Quoque Praedicamentum”.
Post Script: Habito in Penobscot Comitatu. Non sum nescius commune.
(I live in Penobscot County and I am not ignorant or common.) To imply those of us who choose to live here are less than adequately competent to make informed decisions regarding our own destiny is insulting at best and at worst represents a threat to all freedom loving humans.
like x infinity
If your so smart then you should be helping the locals find a good job at the park instead of sitting around spouting Latin.
dolium volvitur
No, I help people find good jobs in the private sector; not dead end jobs supporting socialist welfare programs with the true purpose of keeping lazy elitists like you in positions of power.
Good one, BorcasArea, doubt that the Whiteman guy, his Lordship, has ever sullied his shoes. Not even once. Pity, getting dirty is half the fun, hey what?
you’re is the contraction for you are
Sneering ?
Is that what you call responding in kind to you people ?
Okay.
Fair enough … after some serous consideration.
G’nite
You people? hahahaha, are you named after Willard? Tell the truth.
Okay.
You asked for the unvarnished truth it.
Aren’t you people the same people who said the Clean Water Act would kill Maine, too ?
If not, stop being hysteria ninnies, just like they were.
They were wrong.
Why do you want to sound that way, too.
Relax, enjoy life , go to a county music concert on the bank of the clean Penobscot.
The air is sweet, now, too.
Fact is it is unfair to blame you for the state of Maine woods, and there is no point in rubbing in that your towns are dying, your way of life is gone, and that you are redundant to the international corporate system that you dependent upon.
Economics is taking care of it.
So mostly people who disaree with you, knowing you how you are, anyway, just have let ya rant on.
But progress is ending all of the last century’s filthy great works.
No one really wants to be this way with you poor souls. But is for not only you good, but for the good of the whole County that we all face reality.
So you really should stop lying, and telling other people what do their own land.
It is not helping.
Pretending that you are the forest’s good stewards is getting old.
Shout “no compromise” if you must, but why would you bail out your mills, ever again,
if they were not yours and and if your own conservative politics really applies to all ?
LOL I think he proved that a long time ago. He has no facts to stand on so he prefers to lash out and insult people. I feel sorry for him as he must surely be a pathetically miserable person. How sad.
Too many people in the area are making money off of all those government handouts they get. The park will make them have to ge t a job.
she doesn’t have 70 thousand she has 59 and no promise she is going to get any more either stop the lies
New laws need to fromed to keep individuals from being able to purchase shuch large tracks of land from Maine. How can we allow one person to controle this much land and to effect the ecconomic development in so many towns…No I say no park and also think that we should take the land from her…She should not be able to do this in any way….
Why don’t you move to Russia or China they have laws like that.
We’re almost there now. No need to move. Wake up lgreen and join us in smelling the coffee.
Whatever, you make no sense to me.
Did you or did you not bring up Russia and China where individual people do not matter, only the collective? Please think about what you said, and maybe some light will dawn on you.
eminent domain. Maine needs it for the forest industry
What economic development?? This park will create thousands of good jobs. I can only assume some people don’t like it because they are making money off of all the welfare checks the rest of the nation has to write for you bums.
How can we allow one person to control this much land? Because she bought it, that’s how. You think that “we” should take the land from her? Wow! I think our forefathers wrote property rights into the constitution, if I remember second grade social studies correctly. Maybe you were absent that day?
Trouble in paradise as the hangers-on resist a possible future and yearn for an impossible past. Not pretty.
Funny thing is, my great grandfather made a good living guiding “sports” around Chamberlain lake after he got back from the Civil war. Seem today’s rural Mainers are more interested in drinking and spending their girlfriends welfare check then working.
And lots of folks want to continue to run their own guide services like we’ve done for a couple hundred years. Why are you so fixated on the federal government being the centerpiece?
What a bunch! She can give the land to whoever she pleases. You can form all the idiotic committees you want but she owns the land. We would not want her to give the land to the US Government and give people in the area a chance to work. That really would be horrible.
sell tee shirts on your lawn, LOL
It looks like you, mitt and lord are having some fun with sour grapes. You will not get your park but please continue.
You don’t know what the phrase ” sour grapes ” even means Sour grapes is like when they told Lepag ehe was not welcome at the Republican convention so to protect his feelings he said he did want to go anyway.
Those of us who support property rights in Maine , want the park to happen and will only be happy when all my cousins in the area have to get a job.
Your Lordness, titles of nobility are prohibited for officials in the USA and frowned upon by us peons as well. Please go back to where you came from. It’s time for Jeeves to draw you a bath.
This is one of your comments,
“There all welfare bums who are afraid a park will create jobs and they will have to give up drinking during the day”
If this is not ” sour grapes” then what is it? its not the truth, your comments are typical of the class of people who think they are superior to others. Your comments tell us everything we need to know about the “pro park people”! If you had any common sense you would not attempt to further your agenda in this way, but you will and I expect nothing different. Good luck..
There all welfare bums who are afraid a park will create jobs and they will have to give up drinking during the day.
I think the Lord’s been imbibing with fermented grapes tonight the way he rants and speaks of alcohol.
I wonder why he rants about welfare checks and jobs so much?
Own land and don’t want to pay tax on it? Turn it into a national park!
Or drill for oil on it.
Yeah lets not allow any jobs up there. That would be horrible. Welfare rolls would really tumble.
Harvesting a working forest creates jobs.. How many people has she put out of work because of her buying this land??? or moving Burts Bees to NC. because she hated the Liberal bussiness climate here in Maine… Her hate for Mainers is showing by putting people out of work ,,,
It’s her entity let her pay taxes on it ,,I got enough of my own :-/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRg7kf9ltbw
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO…
Vote for Jared! He is a finalist for the Martha Stewart American Made Award. Let’s show our support for our fellow Mainer.
http://americanmade.marthastewart.com/profiles/jared-desimio-1315
Sometimes people create a delusion of opposition and then act as a representions for all. then soft play it so to lose.. I don’t know these people.
With all the disagreements among the Founding Fathers not withstanding, the singular common thread within their ranks was the recognized fallacy of trusting the federal government to expand their role in any way transending necessity. They would be horrified, as those are today with any proposal to usurp local authority, upend the lives of thousands of citizens, and provide a federal beuracracy with additional powers at the expense of State control. As within other applications of daily life, “No” simply means “No. No study, no external controlling facets of daily life, no park. Ken
You don’t know much about the history of Maine if you think the founders didn’t support property rights.
Dear Lord Whiteman,
Perhaps I didn’t express myself properly. If so, I am sorry. The Founders, with all of their efforts supported property rights in the most vigorous of manners. It is because of their unwavingly support of property rights that I believe their opposition to the formation of this park would be universal if they could transform their platforms into today’s debate. They would support without condition those who are in danger of being trampled as well as championing the rights of others to enjoy what God hath wrought within the parameters of this great state. Ken
State control is a farce. The state has no money and cannot provide jobs. Roxanne already owns the land, hopefully she will be able to give it to the US Government as she wishes. With 40 million dollars, also as gift, I believe she will eventually succeed.
is this a man or a woman
I can see the Future of America.
Welcome to America the once greatest industrial nation on the planet. Whichever of the 50 United Parks/states you choose to visit there will be plenty of people there to serve you.. The trains will be leaving shortly.
The northeast has the fewest parklands in the country.
That’s because we don’t need them. We work and when we have time we go into the normal natural woods, you know, where there aren’t paved sidewalks, informational signs to tell us what we’re looking at, and toilets?
who cares ! really. we the people of Maine can axcess millons of acres already. we don’t need the Federal Government telling us where not to step.
There has to be a happy compromise. I am a life long (rural) Mainer and appreciate nature to no extent!! I believe R. Quimby’s intent is to preserve ‘our’ land. She is not just a land baron. There is/are Maine natives who have much less regard/respect for ‘our’ land.
Rewilding Maine. I listened to someone tell all about the Rockefeller plans for Maine to be wild again. I am so glad that Al Gore invented the Internet (ha) so we could learn about all these plans for us made long ago. Google Rockefeller + rewilding + Maine Here’s a map I found in less than two minutes http://www.access-advocates.org/issues.htm
that is a face not even a mother could love,explains her anger
Keep writing your articles BDN. I know you have to. If you could, would please stop putting her face in the paper? It’s sickning. No one wants to see it.
Been reading the variety of responses. I think our thoughts and inputs could be better judged and evaluated by not appealing to the lowest of denominators. We’re too good and sufficiently without constrictive disabling abilities to allow name calling and sly inuendos to dominate. A forum above board and approached with respect would elevate the entire scope of argument. Ken
“Ban Roxanne”…. its a great idea to create a national park right next to an already thriving state park that way any money or visitors that would normally go to the state park could go to the national park and ruin the state economy even more…. but oh well… she’s already ruined places that people visited a lot by putting in a gate to keep vehicles from driving into a parking lot…. the people that drove into those places usually had small children or elderly relatives who couldn’t walk in that far to see the natural beauty of Maine…. so once again i say “Ban Roxanne”
Baxter is not thriving. The lawyers who run it limit its usage by limiting it access.
Baxter though not thriving is state owned and state funded, yes lawyers do limit access to the land but at least its state owned and not federally owned. As for creating jobs and all that BS it won’t cause the Federally owned land will place federal employees to run the park as they have across the country. If she created a state park it would be better for the economy and for the state of Maine. Plus the ATV/Snowmobile industry and yes you can call it an industry in Maine is thriving and a huge amount of local and state trails run through that land, many of which connect Maine to Canada bringing in more money to the state. By cutting these trails away and forcing the local and state clubs to rebuild new trails around the park with cost the people/state money which they do not have to create new Super trails/ ITS trails and the state would lose money over the time period it would take for the new trails to be created… Obviously you do not want to see new growth of the economy, especially after Baldacci ruined it by sending most jobs out of state and even country
The Democrats just pick our pockets and create taxes.Enough said on that.
Who really cares who owns the land, I don’t. We need jobs in this area and with a national park that will happen. She wants to give it to the United States of America not the state. I can understand why. She can see what the lawyers have done to Baxter by extremely limiting the people allowed into the park. A NP will not hurt the snowmobile/ATV those trails. As an example they allow snowmobiles in Acadia NP and Yellowstone.
If you knew her, nothing nice could be said nice about her. She is not nice. This is just one more elite liberal communist from away trying to intervene in the future of Maine. One of the reasons Maine will die completely is we have lost 10,000 + manufacturing jobs since 1985. Mostly due to liberals preventing the construction of new hydro dams and stiffer regulation preventing new businesses from developing or growing.
If it were a state park it would be more tolerable. The Feds can’t run a 3 car funeral procession…… Look at how they effed up Alaska.
Maybe the feds should pull the welfare programs they operate in Maine: fuel assistance, food stamps, etc etc.?
blah blah blah
How can a park in which land is owned by someone anyway threaten the logging industry? Sure Maine doesn’t need more federal workers, but seriously, what are the logging companies on standby to cut down trees on HER land? I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time. Maine does nothing for the future because it’s way behind everywhere else. Go watch the lorax
way behind or ahead of our time.. Depends on your values.. some people are attracted to shiney things and egos, while others are humble and enjoy the simple things in life and don’t care to empress anyone… So being behind as you state may be way ahead of the game.
I don’t understand why these people are so against Roxanne. I would like to meet her. Commenting about her looks Has nothing to do with a PARK and I think it is mean and uncalled for in this matter.
If there was a limit on how many contigious parcels of land one person could own (and yes, I mean corporations in that definition) then we’d never see a situation where one person has so much power over so many. By allowing one person to own so many acres, the state has been turned into a fifedom. And everyone depending on Quimby’s permission to use her land are her surfs.
The next thing they’ll want to do is make Baxter a park…..oh, they did, never mind!
A Maine State Park I believe.
Are those of you who are putting RQ down because of her looks so good looking yourselves that you feel free to throw stones? I really doubt it so look out for the flying glass.
The other day durning an Obama meeting this was brought up and asked of Tim Geithner how much money could be raised if the US Government “SOLD” it’s Parks.. . Can’t make this stuff up.. Think about it.. I could happen. What if China bought the Parks to exploit it’s natural resources and nobody could stop it. We don’t need that happening in this State.
The War in the North Woods
She calls us fat old stupid welfare cases,,,, but yet the fat old stupid welfare cases are winning the war.!
She lied, she threatened, she broke promises, she blackmailed, she burned people out, she got a sitting president to fly his top lackey to Millinocket and have him tell area residents “we don’t have a say” and then she wonders why she is more hated than Osama Bin Laden “after she calls people names”
The War to Save Our Region http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2011/06/23/news/penobscot/quimby%e2%80%99s-national-park-initiative%c2%a0could-spark-lively-debate-in-millinocket/
Quimby Opposition Republicans, Democrats and Independents,,, all Conservatives http://www.mainewoodscoalition.org/
Quimby Lies http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135873
We as taxpayers we cannot afford another unfunded burden…!
*It will remove more jobs than it creates-
*The few jobs it will create will not even pay a livable wage-
*It will remove access to hunters, atv use, snowmobiles, and logging-
*It has been proven that this will become an ongoing cost on the backs of the taxpayers-
*It has also been proven that the park will require much higher emission standards, thereby shutting down the newly reopened East Millinocket Mill, and prevent any hope for any kind of products coming out of Millinocket..!
Even liberal actor Sam Waterston is rallying for additional money to keep what we have from crumbling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO6c3iw3bg
Growing Quimby National Park Opposition
Governor LePage has said “the hell she is”
98% of Maines Elected Officials voted against a national park-
Senator Snowe (R) is against a national park-
Senator Collins (R) is against a national park-
Representative Herbie Clark (D) is against a national park-
Representative Doug Thomas (R) is against a national park-
Representative Jeff Gifford (R) is against a national park-
Most in Millinocket, East Millinocket & Medway are against a national park-
*The Millinocket Town Manager (D) is against a national park-
The majority of the Millinocket Town Council are against a national park-
The Millinocket Fin and Feather Club is against a national park-
The Maine Woods Coalition is against a national park-
Opposition to the park grows daily, but with each day, many area residents that are not in favor of a park are getting harassed by Quimby supporters…
The “greatest government” as you call it is responsible for the economic situation we find ourselves in. Why on earth would we want them to hold more assets? The “greatest government” has entered into trade agreements that moved high wage, benefit package included jobs off shore. The “greatest government” has enabled generations of families to live on the dole. Maine does not need more low-level service jobs. Maine does not need more land that does not yield income from property tax.
Regarding any discussion about land use in these parts should include the participation of the Maliseet, Penobscot and Passamaquoddy, of course. After all, they live here and were here first and, given the current birth rates, will be here long after the decendant’s of the white, European immigrants have dissappeared through natural attrition.
And, since the discussion is one of sustainability or sustainable development of lands, or preservation of lands, the Tribes would have a most relevant perspective to offer such discussions since that is and always has been their primary goal. … some might think our views as being consistent with the U.N.’s Agenda 21 … and they would, likely, be correct.
In my view, it would be wise to include the Tribes in this new committee before making any application for federal recognition of such a committee. But, that does not mean the Tribes would, necessarily, agree with the views of some members of the committee
This is a video Obama & Quimby do not want you to watch-
http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm
Just give it back. It’ll be protected for all and, at least, we won’t sell it to Walmart, the Irvings or the Chinese.
Signed…. a tribal member.
Didn’t she make her fortune from stealing the honey/wax from bees?
Ms. Quimby, the people of the area do not deserve what you are trying to do. I apologize to you.
If anyone really wants to know Roxanne Quimby they should talk to people who have worked for her. The workers she stiffed in Winter Harbor and others. She is insincere and noone should take her at her word because it is meaningless.
No National Park, and up her taxes, let her pay on every acre, we could use the money.
Where does she get all the money for this, is it hers or does she have someone we do not know behind her in this absolute trying to Nationalize Maine North.
Rock on Roxanne!!!!
Thank you for your foresight.
Maine has not changed much due to the way the private land-owners in this state have managed their lands, it’s what has kept Maine the most forested state in the U.S.! They have always been respectful of nature, and preserved the natural beauty just fine. We do not want our state changed, and this will change it. Can’t Quimby just mind her own land?
Any ally of Quimby’s in this attack on the area is not someone I have a favorable opinion of-regardless of what they choose to call themselves.
Maybe if this committe gives Cynthia Dill $13,000, she will form a committe to oppose the park.