BANGOR, Maine — Growing up in Centerville, Utah, Matt Erickson never imagined a fellow Mormon would be a candidate for president.
“I remember camping out in our backyard with my best friend in the fourth or fifth grade,” Erickson, a 48-year-old attorney who lives in Bucksport, said Wednesday. “We were talking about how we probably would be alive at the turn of the century in 2000. We were just looking forward to the future and thinking about the church.
“One of us said, ‘Oh, wouldn’t it be neat if someday there would be a Mormon president?’ But, then, we thought that it just wouldn’t happen in our lifetimes.”
Mitt Romney may or may not be elected president. His successful bid to become the Republican nominee has put the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are called Mormons, in the spotlight.
Erickson, who had hoped four years ago that Romney would make it through the primary process, said that, so far, a Mormon candidate has not generated bad publicity for the church.
“If nothing else, it’s been an opportunity to answer questions about the faith and get down to the truth,” he said. “I think people find the truth more palatable than sensationalism.”
Erickson was one of 10,718 active Mormons in Maine as of Dec. 31, 2011. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been the fastest growing denomination in the nation over the past 10 years, according to the Association of Religion Data Archives. Across the country, nearly 2 million members joined the denomination, bringing the total to 6.14 million adherents.
In Maine, membership has increased by 3,565 members since 1990.
Eight of every 1,000 people in Maine were Mormons in 2009. That makes the denomination one of the fastest growing in the state.
The church was founded in 1830 by Joseph Smith in upstate New York after the angel Moroni told him where to find gold tablets containing God’s revelations, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica. Smith said he translated the record with divine help and published it as the Book of Mormon. It recounts the history of some tribes of Israel that migrated to North America centuries before Christ.
Latter-day Saints were persecuted, primarily for Smith’s belief in polygamy, and forced to move from New York to Illinois, where the founder was assassinated. Smith’s successor, Brigham Young, in 1846 led the rapidly growing flock to Salt Lake City, Utah, where it flourished.
In 1890, the church ended the practice of plural marriage. Six years later, Utah was admitted to the union as the 45th state.
The church organization is highly structured and emphasizes proselytizing.
All Mormon men raised in the faith are expected at age 19 to go on a two-year mission to share the church’s teachings. Members of the church are expected to tithe 10 percent of their incomes to maintain good standing in the denomination.
The national media has focused intermittently on Romney’s faith during the campaign. Time magazine last week hit the newsstands with a cover story on Romney’s religion titled “The Mormon Identity.”
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, like other denominations with tax-exempt status, does not endorse candidates. Leaders do, however, issue a letter each election year “reminding members that ‘principles compatible with the Gospel can be found in the platforms of various political parties,’” the Time article said.
Bangor area Mormons interviewed last Sunday at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on the corner of Grandview and Essex streets in Bangor disagreed on whether Romney’s candidacy was shining a spotlight on the faith.
Soubanh Phanthay of Bangor grew up a Buddhist in Lynn, Mass. His family immigrated to the United States from Thailand after fleeing Vietnam. When he was 15, Mormon missionaries visited his home. Phanthay converted before he was out of his teens.
“I think [Romney’s candidacy] has been a good thing,” he said last Sunday. “It has helped bring the faith into the public eye and helped them question the faith, which is great, because we have been always wanting to answer the questions people had about what we believe in and how we believe in it.”
Those questions also provide an opportunity for Mormons to dispel misconceptions about Latter-day Saints beliefs, Phanthay said. The two most frequently asked questions are: whether the church continues to endorse polygamy and whether Mormons believe in Jesus Christ.
The answers are “no” and “yes,” he said.
Bill Meier of Brewer disagreed that the church has been in a media spotlight because of the presidential campaign.
“I’m not at all sure there is a focus on Romney’s religion with the exception of a few remarks that made their way into the media early in the campaign,” he said. “I haven’t seen it being made an issue of. In terms of the church, it’s probably been fairly neutral so far.”
University of Maine political science professor Mark Brewer said Wednesday that he was not surprised the Latter-day Saints church had not garnered much attention.
“In Maine, the reality is that religious identity has tended to be less important than it is nationally in elections,” he said. “It can be very important in states like Utah and Arkansas. Even in Florida, evangelical Christians and Jews are important voting blocks.”
Maine is the least religious state in the nation, according to the Association of Religion Data Archives.
“There are so few Mormons in the state — less than 1 percent of the population — that it’s not expected to impact the election even if you assume 90 percent of Maine’s Mormons are going to vote for Romney,” Brewer said. “If the race gets particularly close in the 2nd Congressional District, it might make a difference there.”
Polls have shown President Barack Obama consistently ahead of Romney in Maine, but his lead is smaller in northern Maine than in the southern part of the state.
Phanthay said people should not assume because church members share the same faith that they share the same political views.
“I’ve found that the church does not have one political view, at least not in Bangor, Maine,” he continued. “There are members with different views, but they can actually still coexist in the same church and love and share and serve each other regardless of their political beliefs.”



On October 3, 2012, Mitt Romney proclaimed in the first Presidential
debate between himself and President Obama, “We’re a nation that
believes we’re all children of the same God.”
Mormons
believe that God is an exalted man of flesh and bone named “Elohim” who
lives near a planet called “Kolob.” They believe that Elohim has
countless wives that are eternally pregnant with spirit babies that they
eventually send to earth to inhabit babies. Mormons believe that they
too can become gods and one day have their own planets, just like
Elohim. But they must go to the temple and learn the secret handshakes
and passwords that they believe are required to get into Heaven.
The following footage was filmed with a hidden camera inside the historic Salt Lake Mormon Temple within the past year…
http://www.tinyurl.com/NotMyGod
I knew people of many different religious backgrounds. Not a one of them ever espoused that belief. I think you’re pranking or have been pranked.
Watch the full endowment movie at NewNameNoah on YouTube. It’s all there, and in the Book of Abraham.
There are millions of Christians that deny the Trinity, but it is still part of Christian theology.
Thousands of Mormons may deny Elohim lives near Kolob, but it is still part of Mormon theology.
I checked this out on another site….and I’ll be Elohim-darned! But the concept of Kolob being the planet nearest to God’s throne is considered an outdated belief in the Mormom/LDS church. Or so my source states. (wikipedia)
No, Laman Lemuel isn’t really pranking… I looked this up out of curiosity and, while true at some time, not all of these things are still practiced in the Mormon religion today. For example, polygamy isn’t practiced in most Mormon churches any more.
Mormons do not believe in one God but they do worship one God. It’s unclear to me how this works exactly but they believe that all men will become Gods after death. Some Christians do not believe that Mormons are Christian and Mormons believe that differences exist between themselves and Christians because they feel that traditional Christianity has wandered from the truth over the centuries. The Bible is not regarded as an accurate source of information. Mormons consider some parts of the Bible somewhat important, however, Mormans believe that the Bible has been written and rewritten by man so many times that it is inaccurate in it’s teachings. The Book of Mormon is where they believe the real teachings are. So, no… Laman Lemuel wasn’t joking… there are some significant, interesting and yes, and sometimes odd differences in the beliefs of Mormons and Christians.
WHAT are you talking about? Smells like smoke.
That’s not what I glean from this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
Plus, this is more likely their modern idea of kolob:
“Kolob is rarely discussed in modern LDS religious contexts, but it is periodically a topic of discussion in criticism of Mormonism.”
Liberals love those hidden cameras and an editing machine.
No NO, Republicans invented them by their holy Son Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove.
I am not a liberal but I can say that Mormans really believe some weird stuff. However, for the most part they are good people. Billionaires on the other hand are not really. The Bible states they will not be entering the Kingdom of Heaven clearly.
Sure, lets talk about traditional marriage in a discussion of religion. How far back does one have to go for something to be traditional? 50 years? 100 years? 2 generations? 3 or 4 generations? Given man has been around hundreds of thousands of years, let’s say traditional is 4 generations.
In that case, Romney’s own family had non-traditional marriages. Possibly his grandparents were polygamists. His great grandfather definitely was. Their faith allowed polygamy. And polygamy is fine with me. Hypocrisy is not. And Romney is a hypocrite. And a liar. So if Romney wants to talk about Mormonism let’s be sure he is being truthful in his statements. So far in this campaign he has not shown a shred of honesty, so it is hard to imagine he will start in a discussion about religion.
Polygamy with Romney’s great grandfather is a fact that he cannot refute. Let’s see if he tries to, especially in the context of traditional marriage.
My first question,Mr Romney, has anyone told you yet why your wife can’t open the windows on stuffy ole planes?
I don’t think Romney is following the comments on this site.
I’m sure not, but I’m still wondering if he still thinks his wife can’t open a window on a plane. Which makes me concerned about him running for Pres.
I’d rather have someone crack a joke like that than one who thinks we have 57 States.
Personally I’d rather our politicans were the “Public Servants” as they say they are, but at minimium wage. Think he’ll give up wages and bennies?
Someone not out to change laws for themselves or for a pal or one organization. Someone not on a power trip. Ma is a cesspool of diversity and got worse in his care.
47% doesn’t count, he meant that, he will destroy middle class, whats left of it. He doesn’t mean his lame apology, he’s lying now.
I’ve lived in Ma. for over 30 years, obviously thru Romney’s term, and can say this about it:
Diversity is far better than a cesspool of isolationists wanting to keep their corner of the world “pure” (if you really want to go there).
Romney caused no harm to us while he was Governor (didn’t do any real good either).
Any more discussion of your opinions – that’s all they are – would be fruitless.
Too bad you missed Frank Sargent. A truly noble governor. more than 40 years ago now.
I’d like to have met Mayor Curley!
Thats your opinion and thats all it is, which was fruitless.
Somebody who was there probably has a better opinion of his time in office than somebody who wasn’t
Maybe, and maybe we don’t have the same opinion of politics and living. I’m not into life the way it is in Ma.
I don’t care for the high rate of crime I’ve seen there and I don’t like this Romney person at all altho I haven’t lived there i’ve been there enough and seen enough that I don’t think I’d even drive through it again.
Mass. person show us one, just one incident where all Maine people stood at the borders of Maine and said “You can’t come in unless your of fair complexion.”
Diversity by defination does not mean races, it encompasses all topics. Do you know what assume means?
Milo Maine had one of the largest and last KKK groups in the Northeast.
I’m aware there was KKK here at one point, but it doesn’t mean all Mainers joined and it certainly doesn’t make Maine unique. From people I’ve talked to I get the feeling people had more things to work at than hate.
There was a large number of KKK sympathisers here. Old Town had a chapter, Baqngor had a chapter, and Millinocket had a chapter. Of course the largest contingent of KKK followers was in Milo.
BUT guess what. The KKK in Maine was not anti black. They were opposed to French Canadians taking wood-cutter jobs. As with most prejudice the KKK in Maine was based on a poor economy.
If I remember correctly the KKK was short lived in Maine.
I know Maine frowned big on slavery and basically told anyone wishing to pursue the practice to quit or move on.
Living the first third of my life in Maine, I lived through all the “outta Staters” attitude. Now when I travel back, it’s “from away”, including me it seems.
The natives constantly talk about the influx of people moving to Maine and how it changes the way life there over time. “What’s this in the BDN for? It doesn’t affect Maine” remarks all are proof of an isolationist attitude.
I NEVER ONCE MENTIONED RACE OR ANY BORDER INCIDENTS! You, in your particularly irritating way, have completely twisted everything as usual.
Anyone assuming anything here is YOU!
Thank you glad you noticed, Maybe when people from “away” , flatlanders”, “outta Staters” start telling us we live wrong and we think wrong and we do everything in life wrong, we take it as an insult and we get irritated. Perhaps people don’t want or like change, why force it on them and on people who would have come here if they had so chosen.
You don’t live here so why do you care what we do?
I don’t give a frick what you do. I do have retirement coming up (and still have a place in the County if I want), but when you narrow mindedly call Ma. a “cesspool of diversity”, you had a correction coming, and I gave it.
It might not be the Maine you remember if you move back.
I already mourn the degradation of “My Home”. Even my cold and hard siblings that think me an elitist because I’ve expanded my mind. I would like to go back, but I doubt my NY native mate could stand any more than a visit. Besides, the no-see-ums drive me crazy! :)
I’m not for a person who claims religious back ground then goes against it in politics. Don’t like the guy, don’t want to see more young people sent to more wars. Not voting for him or Obama.
Why do you care how people live or think here you “escaped”
Do you think your the only person whose been to Ma.?
My idea of living isn’t to stand outside a Mom and Pop store at dusk thats locked up behind bullet proof glass waiting for 10-15 minutes while the employees or owners decide if I’m going to shoot at them or not. Won’t sell you something because it’s too big to fit in a slide drawer.
I think its a safe bet people here do not want the same thing.
Locked in a bullet proof booth?! Deepest darkest Roxbury might have one, but I’ve never seen one.
After all your dizzying twists of what I’ve said, I’ll leave you back at square one:
You mouthed off about Romney’s job as Governor. I tried to impress upon you that having lived through it, I was in a better position than you to judge his job. Having “Been to Mass” doesn’t qualify, especially some one that thinks our clerks sit behind safety glass. wow
I’ve never been told that we live wrong. We are the ones that tell them they live ‘wrong’. Some that move to North Mass have changed it, but they always were different than the rest of Maine anyway.
Everyone (states) all think their way is the only way, it’s not and I don’t care to have Maine like Ma.
Maine broke away from Ma. in the early 1800s because they didn’t like their big city ways. I like it to stay that way.
I think by the word pure, he meant purely Maine attitude. I say c’mon down. just act like us is what was meant more than anything. I get out of the County once in awhile, and there are the rest of people’s ways. Not just Maines
We do – I thought we have 61:) Its Sunday.
Took my feeble mind a second, But Good One! :)
Speaking of wives. The current president wife stood up in front of America after her husband was nominated and told us that this was the first time in her adult life she was proud of America.
So?
Fairly hard for minorities to be “proud” of US history. I would suggest that my first experience (as an adult) being “proud” of my country was the day Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights act.
Shine shine on!
I know what she said and I did not vote for him then and neither will I this time.
NO she did not. She said today i am proud to be an American. Just as many African Americans were. To go from slavery to a Black Man in the presidency we have come a long way. Stop being so mean and hateful.
How am I being mean and hateful by repeating what the now first lady said???
For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my
country,” Obama said at a Wisconsin rally as her husband staked out a
lead in the Democratic presidential race that he would never relinquish. Here the quote. So YES she did.
Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, “for the= first- time- in -my- adult- life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”
Properly worded syntax changes and clarifies every time.
In my experience, Mormons have never required an “opportunity” to talk about faith. All you have to do to spark such a discussion in the presence of a really serious Mormon is remain still long enough. As a denomination, they are hardly unique in this regard, but still, this is not exactly breaking news. It’s a bit like being surprised that Electrolux employees might be interested in selling you a vacuum cleaner. :)
Mitt Romney is wrong. we’re not ‘a nation that believes we’re all children of the same God.” There are many of us who don’t believe in any god whatsoever, and still hold that religion should never be embedded in politics.
Actually 89% of Americans believe in god.
So then there are more atheists than there are Mormons? I would think it’s about time we asked “why can’t we have a president who is an avowed atheist?”
We already had Several:
William Henry Harrison Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Simpson Grant Rutherford
Birchard Hayes
Not “avowed” atheists, but without religion.
Even if that’s so (and how was it determined? I don’t recall being asked, for instance), 11 percent of 312 million is more than 34 million. I would say that qualifies as “many” by any reasonable standard.
Must include agnostics too. Yes maybe only 11% are true hard core self proclaimed atheist. .
I guess that those 89% do not believe in evolution or dna.
The thought of that is so scary.
But not necessarily YOUR god.
Where’s your proof?
And your point is??
Barrack Obama participated in weekly church gatherings that preached hate about America by the reverend Jeremiah Wright. The liberal press never touched this subject because of the racism fear so they let everything go and Obama, under a campaign of lies and fear, won the election. Romney has made no secret about his association with the Mormon religion and that religion does not preach hate against America like Jeremiah Wrights and Barrack Obama’s religion does. So once again, what is your point?
Barb’s point seems pretty clear here. As a civilized people we shouldn’t be putzes who inflame religious passions and superstitions in an attempt to garner votes for politicians. Three cheers to that! Boo to the putzes of this world.
Excellent comment.
You are stuck in your own void, same as Barb. Romney said something that many people believe but because Barb doesn’t and apparently you and many others do not as well, you accuse Romney of pushing religion down peoples throats which is not what was said at all. So once again, what’s the point?
I think they just feel like complaining today. I cant imagine why one would entertain themselves with a story with a headline of what they dislike the most and then read it.
Hay – Its Sunday.
Some of us from the “religious” crowd, like me, would like to be heard. Please listen:
This man, Mitt Romney, doesn’t represent all of Christianity. The evil things this man is going to do, please don’t blame it on all Christians. Mitt Romney is not my savior, and I’m not voting for him. You won’t ever hear me say “Save me, Mitt Romney! Save me from these horrible taxes, and evil democrats!” lol, no way!
Consequently, I’m not voting for anyone, because no human is my savior. I leave it up to God:
“And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.” – 1st Samuel chapter 8, verse 18.
Thank you for not voting for anyone!
“There are members with different views, but they can actually still coexist in the same church and love and share and serve each other regardless of their political beliefs.” I think the same goes for whatever you believe in. Why should anyone celebrate what YOU believe in if you cant do the same? What makes what YOU believe superior over what others believe?
If your not intrested in it, then why would you even bother to read a story about it? Are you really intrested and dont want to admit it or is it just a chance to complain about those who are? You cant have it both ways in this world.
I have studied Mormonism (as well as several other religions of the
world) during my undergrad years. When a close friend wanted to me to
join this faith, I told her I needed to research further.
Facts to share:
1. The church was founded by Joseph Smith who has a criminal record
in the state of NY (he was a self proclaimed treasure hunter & would
peer into a hat with stones for inspiration)- guess how he was
“inspired to write the book of mormon…..by peering into a hat with
stones!
2. Joesph Smith publicly denounced polygamy, yet he had several
wives & 5 of the wives he took on had living husbands already. In
the cases of men challenging him (saying their wives weren’t for the
taking)- they were either convinced that it was part of God’s plan or
they were taken outside the town limits & brutally castrated.
*I called BYU four years ago to ask why this isn’t taught in their
Mormon history classes and their response was “it is too controversial”
3. Mormons believe in plural Gods. The book of Mormon spells out
very clearly that “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be”.
This teaching is held off until one goes to the temple. It’s considered
too much for a newcomer into the church. The belief is that all
Mormons have the chance to become a god themselves, have celestial
sexual encounters, & populate their own planets one day.
4. The Book of Mormon has had 3,913 since its original publication in
1830. (I don’t know about you, but I for one believe that if this book
had been divinely inspired- an eraser wouldn’t have been necessary) If
you are interested in reading these…. a former Mormon who helps
people leaving Mormonism in Utah- she has a wonderful website dedicated
to these changes: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebook… Her name is Sandra Tanner.
5. The Book of Mormon discusses weaponry and materials that were
present here in the U.S. – long before they were actually ever brought
over here to this part of the world. (hmmm I think God would have
known better)
6. I especially got a laugh out of Joseph Smith’s testimony that the
moon is inhabited & then Brigham Young declaring the sun was also
populated. http://www.challengemin.org/mo….
7. If Mitt Romney were to become president, it is a given that he
will be meeting with the “First Presidency” in Utah to guide him in his
decision making for this country. I don’t think the U.S. population
truly comprehends what that will mean for them. For me, it’s too scary
to consider.
In conclusion, it probably goes without saying that I decided to not join what Mormons refer to as “the one true church” ;)
Christian talk radio used to have hour long shows about Mormonism being a cult. Now those same talk show hosts are talking about what a good Christian man that Romney is. No wonder why Christianity is on the decline in this country.
“Christian talk radio used to have hour long shows about Mormonism being a cult.”
Really? No, I mean, seriously? That’s awesome. That’s like the leather-and-chains crew at the local goth club looking at the live-vampire-roleplaying kids and sneering, “Freaks.”
Awesome analogy. I love your way of thinking.
Several things cited in the Book of Mormon are false from the word go. “Lost Tribes of Israel” did not emigrate to the Americas at any time. The North American Aborigines have been demonstrated to be of Asian origin. There are several other concepts that rather than “The Word of God” are figments of Joseph Smith’s fertile imagination.
Mark Twain’s scathing deconstruction of Mormonism in Roughing It remains as alive and brilliant now as it was in 1872. Recommended reading for anyone presently weighing the pros and cons of letting a Saint into the Oval Office.
Better than a Muslim sympathizer.
and who would that be?
weak
Wanna see pictures of Reagan holding a party with Mujahadin in the Oval Office? Or Dubya kissing a Saudi Guy?
Did you know that the #2 stockholder at Fox News is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed Bin Talal?
Give me a break. You really should learn a bit about what’s going on in the world. See “scomber” below.
IMHO, Joseph Smith read in the Bible about how Solomon had 1000 wives, and Smith decided that he would like a situation like that for himself. Since anyone can invent any religion he wants (at least in human terms, certainly not in God’s terms), Smith came up with Mormonism to satisfy his dream. That would not totally preclude me from voting for Romney, however, since the alternative is the atheistic, pro-abortion Obama.
Hmm. Leaving aside your questionable characterization of President Obama as “atheistic”, it seems like you’re basically saying, “Well, at least the guy who belongs to a ruthlessly exploitative church, cynically constructed for the personal gain of its megalomaniacal founder and carried on for the enrichment of his successors, believes in something. That’s all that’s really important.” Which is an… interesting way of looking at the situation.
And without blind faith in another book, how do some people believe a dead man came out of his tomb 3 days later? Religion is personal and needn’t be proved to anyone!
but we make choices don’t we? about what religion we might want to follow … if any at all.
religion is for suckers.
Religion – organized or not – is a comfort for some, but when they push any of it on others through judgmental bigotry, the voting booth, or preaching their version of it on anybody else, I get cranky. Keep any personal beliefs out of the public forum.
“Jesus Christ—who, as it turns out, was born of a virgin, cheated death, and rose bodily into the heavens—can now be eaten in the form of a cracker”
true, blind faith is needed..
an explanation of mormon underwear would be interesting.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_oA93SYffKM/TnC2jk6fDGI/AAAAAAAACc4/ygOCSFrsuSc/s1600/Mormon%2BUnderwear.jpg
Maybe it’s time for Mitt to deliver another “salt sermon”, to shore up support within the tribe.
Hey! I LOVE OBAMA! Maybe now my posts won’t disappear?
I feel your pain. All my pro-King posts have been disappearing.
Someone is “flag happy” out there!
Religious bigotry and ignorance is alive in this thread and it’s ugly.
isn’t it though? i imagine if the internet and comment sections were around in the 60s and what kind of anti-catholic rhetoric would be on here then.
I was just thinking how my parents refused to vote for JFK because he would be used as a backdoor route for the Pope to run our country….
Look at all the intolerance and hate on this thread. Yuk, all your true colors are shining through.
Also note how many on the Left think they are experts on Mormons!
Oh that’s right, Liberals are experts on EVERYTHING! They know it all and can’t wait to tell you how much they know! They also live to tell you how YOU should be living YOUR life!
Must be nice being on the elitist Left!
Why so much hatred from your mouth – its Sunday.
And? Saturday is the seventh day, just ask the founders of Christianity: The Jews!
I suspect that Abby is showing frustration over the narrow minded anger here than any hatred. I know I am.
This tread is sounding like Capitol Hill.
Maybe someone should monitor the hate speech in the comments here?
It’s OK…it’s from the left. They approve their hate messages.
And even encourage hate speech from the left!
Technically, I don’t think “these people are daft, culty buggers and we shouldn’t even be considering letting one of them run the country” is hate speech, as such. I mean, hate is an awfully strong concept, and it has a flavor of implied violence that’s lacking here. This is at worst disdain speech, and that’s still legal. :)
i like romney better than obama but i’m not voting for a person who’s religion killed 150+ people for no reason…booshit
Mormonism is a racist theology; “The Native Americans are the descendants of those “who dwindled in
unbelief.” As a punishment for their disbelief, their skin was darkened and they
became “a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.”
12:22-23″
Couldn’t agree more! Let us not forget that African Americans were not considered eligible/worthy and were banned from holding the priesthood until 1978. When the president of the church at the time was asked (Gordon B. Hinckley) why this was…….he replied that he didn’t know. Such an interesting response coming from a man who is supposed to have a direct line to God.
Check this site out; http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/bom/int/long.html
Mormonism is a racist theology: “God’s wrath is on the Native Americans who were slaughtered by the Europeans. 13:14
God inspired the Europeans (who “were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful” just like Nephi’s descendants before the evil,
dark-skinned Laminites killed them all ) to slaughter the Native Americans. 13:15″
I am surprised amazed that so many are here visiting from the planet Kolob. Oh well most republicans, and all mormons live in an alternate universe so it’s all good.
Mormons are quiet people, they dont drink booze nor smoke POT. They mind their own business and they make excellent neighbors because they dont play loud music nor have loud booze or POT parties. Mormons are my kind of people.
You should wonder what’s going on behind those closed and locked doors.
who cares?
Romney is not a great American, nor, does he profess any love for America, he is a puppet for some other cause and effect, not good for average Americans, he wants to get elected by not saying anything,
don’t trust him, don’t vote for Romney, religion, leave it out of this, everybody has his or her God, nobody should want your God or try to give you their God.
I would like to see Millards tax return.
Either God can do nothing to stop the horrors of this world (e.g. the suffering of children) or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick.
I’m not a religious scholar and I used to bring this point up to my wife and her simple answer was “God us the ability to make choices.”
Romney can be a Santaria practicing devil worshiper He will still make a better president than the buffoon we have now
16 trillion Likes!
That is not called for.
Seems like he wants to avoid the topic though..
Mormons talk about their faith – without ever mentioning the really cool stuff, like god is really a space alien on another planet or that, after he was crucified, Jesus took a detour through North America on his way up to heaven, or that god and Adam are the same person. I doubt they talk about the fact that the book of mormoen refers to black folk as mud people.
Mormons do this kind of stuff so often they ever have a term for it – “Lying for the Lord”. This refers to the fact that it’s not a sin to lie if you are doing the Lord’s business – including , but not restricted to lies told to convert someone to Mormon. Just think about that for a second before you vote for Mitt Rmoney.
you are a cynical human being.
http://youtu.be/skn9vzegmR8
Amen to that, except that I’d like to add that ALL religions have their own BS stories.
That being said, Romney being a Mormom is just one of MANY reasons why I would never vote for him.
Excellent comment.
“….to convert someone to Mormon. Just think about that for a second before you vote for Mitt Rmoney.”(sic)
Weren’t people thinking the same thing with JFK and Catholicism?
How’d that paranoid idea work out for us?
Maybe they do not drink coffee, or smoke cigs, but they seem to, by the looks, be able to shovel in the grub.
It’s very, very sad that Maine is now considered the least religious state in the Union. I believe that the majority of people who were born here and raised here still hold true to their faith in God and Jesus Christ. How many of these godless people have come here from other states? By turning your backs on God, you spread hate born from guilt. If you live like you only have this one life, without accountability and consequences, you surely will have only this one life. A perfect example of true hate is the homosexual marriage referendum. Homosexuals hate the fact that they are an abomination to God, so they hate God and deny He exists. They hate Christians so they try take what is of value to them and demand they have it, too, on their own terms. They twist the issue to make it about love. The truth is, this is not at all about love. The truth is that they know in their hearts what they do is a sin so they try to force others to accept their perverse ways to lessen their isolation. The truth is that only the godless accept homosexuality and when they hear the truth spoken, they retaliate with hate.
Whether or not this referendum passes, the reality is that homosexuals will never truly be “married.” The truth is, there is no homosexual “marriage” recognized under the natural law of God, which is supreme to Christians over legislative law. They will have a piece of paper stating they are legally married, and they will have their legal rights concerning real estate, personal property, etc., but the value of that piece of paper will never be worth the value of a true, holy union between a man and a woman blessed by our Father in Heaven. God gave us the gift of living our lives as husband and wife and mother and father to our children, and we do so to honor Him. This referendum is nothing but the hateful, empty folly of the sinful denying their guilt.
you’re really obsessed with homosexual issues. Insecure heterosexual men are more afraid of homosexual men than those who are sexually confident.
You’re wrong. I am obsessed with Jesus Christ who suffered and died on the cross for my sins. You can minimize what I say by mocking me, but I only speak the truth. Obsession comes from the homosexual agenda in the state of Maine. I merely respond to it, as is my right and my duty.
I love God. I am homosexual. When you follow all the abominations in Leviticus I will also. Do you really think God cares whether or not you eat pork. Did your child ever talk back to you? Did you kill him/her? No where in the New Testament does anyone condemn homosexuality. The word it was derived from was the word for male prostitute. God Bless you. We are not asking for a Holy union, we already have that. We want the rights that all others have from the state and government and we dont want to subject ourselves to a loveless marriage to get them. That would be lying and that is also an abomination. So which one shall we choose. I choose to obey the Ten Commandments and not lie to myself, my god, and my partner.
I follow the Bible and God’s Word. What you should be doing is praying and asking God for forgiveness for your sin and stop your sinful lifestyle. It’s not too late unless you choose it to be.
Only hate and guilt I see right now is emanating from you, chief. It’s actually pretty sad.
Thanks for making my point, chief
Kolob. Temple garments. Joseph and his (mysteriously and conveniently missing) Golden Tablets. No thank you.
I believe that the foundation of any religious institution would frown on one of it’s prominent members – a Bishop no less – throwing out such bold-faced lies recently. His “etch-a’-sketch” moment worked during the debate. He and his advisors did exactly what they said they were going to do after the primaries. Now low information voters who are just now tuning in are seeing a man who claims to be ‘centrist’ instead of a ‘severely conservative’ person that he has claimed to be for the last year.
He’s lied repeatedly about the pre-existing condition of his health plan (now he plans to keep a lot of the health care plan, gosh, gee whiz, he’s so proud of himself for bringing this Republican idea to the State of Massachusetts, forcing people to buy insurance). He keeps saying that his plan will cover those conditions. But then his advisor goes out and says, “no, that’s not right, you must be already covered”. Now he’s NOT going to do a 5 trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthy if it causes the deficit to grow even though he’s been promising that all along.
This man is amazing. He lies and he gets to win a debate because he vigorously stated those lies and Obama did not return fire.
His church should really sit him down and tell him lying is very, very bad and Jesus doesn’t approve.
I also wish the Mormon church would do something about their FLDS (Fundamentalist) brethren who routinely and as part of their religion, abuse children. These old men take ‘women’ as young as 12, 13 to become their third or fourth or fifth wife. A lot of times these young girls are the perpetrator’s stepdaughters as he’s already ‘married’ to the girls’ mothers. It’s insidious and is against the law but nothing is done. Thousands of them live in the Western states and hold a great deal of property and wealth. These communities are left alone by local law enforcement, especially since Texas botched the one attempt to save one group of these girls a few years ago. I feel so incredibly sad for these children. And the boys don’t fare much better. They’re sent out/away when they are teenagers and could be a threat to the ‘patriarch’. It needs to stop and the Mormon church needs to step up to the plate.
The sad part is that the FLDS are following the original Book of Mormon written in 1830. The ones you see now are practicing after 3,913 changes to that book. If the First Presidency (the “leaders” of the Mormon church) pursue this…….(and like you I agree they should)…then the entire foundation of the church could be rocked. According to a friend in Provo, Utah, “too much would be revealed about the church and that’s not something modern-day Mormonism is willing to risk”.
The Mormon church leaders can’t do anything about it since the FLDS is a completely separate church. They are not affiliated with each other at all.
They could work with law enforcement to end it. We all could, we just – as a society – choose not to, and children are continually abused. What a terrible thing these men do to these children. And they get away with it because it’s their ‘religion’ and they have their ‘rights’ to their ‘religion’. Joseph Smith, what a con man.
The Morman church may not back plural marriage but many Morman’s still practice it. It’s funny thouhg. The people who are voting for Romney are the same people who are condemning gay marriage because it could lead to plural marriage….you get it.
The Mormons (LDS) don’t still practice polygamy now. The FLDS (break off of the LDS church) are the ones that still practice it.
I have studied Mormonism (as well as several other religions of the world) during my undergrad years. When a close friend wanted to me to join this faith, I told her I needed to research further.
Facts to share:
1. The church was founded by Joseph Smith who has a criminal record in the state of NY (he was a self proclaimed treasure hunter & would peer into a hat with stones for inspiration)- guess how he was “inspired to write the book of mormon…..by peering into a hat with stones!
2. Joesph Smith publicly denounced polygamy, yet he had several wives & 5 of the wives he took on had living husbands already. In the cases of men challenging him (saying their wives weren’t for the taking)- they were either convinced that it was part of God’s plan or they were taken outside the town limits & brutally castrated.
*I called BYU four years ago to ask why this isn’t taught in their Mormon history classes and their response was “it is too controversial”
3. Mormons believe in plural Gods. The book of Mormon spells out very clearly that “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be”. This teaching is held off until one goes to the temple. It’s considered too much for a newcomer into the church. The belief is that all Mormons have the chance to become a god themselves, have celestial sexual encounters, & populate their own planets one day.
4. The Book of Mormon has had 3,913 since its original publication in 1830. (I don’t know about you, but I for one believe that if this book had been divinely inspired- an eraser wouldn’t have been necessary) If you are interested in reading these…. a former Mormon who helps people leaving Mormonism in Utah- she has a wonderful website dedicated to these changes: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm Her name is Sandra Tanner.
5. The Book of Mormon discusses weaponry and materials that were present here in the U.S. – long before they were actually ever brought over here to this part of the world. (hmmm I think God would have known better)
6. I especially got a laugh out of Joseph Smith’s testimony that the moon is inhabited & then Brigham Young declaring the sun was also populated. http://www.challengemin.org/moon.html.
7. If Mitt Romney were to become president, it is a given that he will be meeting with the “First Presidency” in Utah to guide him in his decision making for this country. I don’t think the U.S. population truly comprehends what that will mean for them. For me, it’s too scary to consider.
In conclusion, it probably goes without saying that I decided to not join what Mormons refer to as “the one true church” ;)
yikes
Just another Cult that wants your money.