BOSTON — Mitt Romney began his retreat from public life Wednesday at a private breakfast gathering with a couple of hundred of his most loyal and affluent campaign benefactors. The former Massachusetts governor, humbled by the thumping that ended his six-year pursuit of the presidency, reminisced about the journey and tried not to cry.
Romney waxed about the roaring crowds in the campaign’s closing days and the feeling that he was winning, donors in attendance said. He commended Stuart Stevens, his chief strategist, as well as his senior aides, and then went around thanking donors one by one.
“Mitt was vintage Mitt,” said L.E. Simmons, an oil investor on Romney’s national finance committee. “He was analytical, no notes, spoke from the heart and was very appreciative.”
But Romney’s top aides, who only a couple of days ago were openly speculating about who would fill which jobs in a Romney administration, woke up Wednesday to face brutal recriminations.
Some top donors privately unloaded on Romney’s senior staff, describing it as a junior varsity operation that failed to adequately insulate and defend Romney through a summer of relentless attacks from the Obama campaign over his business career and personal wealth.
“Everybody feels like they were a bunch of well-meaning folks who were, to use a phrase that Governor Romney coined to describe his opponent, way in over their heads,” said one member of the campaign’s national finance committee, who requested anonymity to speak candidly.
“Romney World,” the fundraiser added, “will fade into the obscurity of a lot of losing campaigns.”
Stuart Stevens, who as Romney’s chief strategist was the recipient of some of the harshest blame, did not return requests for comment Wednesday. Neither did many of Romney’s other top advisers, who during Romney’s concession speech were shellshocked.
Bob White, Romney’s close friend and business partner who chaired the campaign, strongly defended Stevens and the rest of the staff in an interview a few weeks ago.
“Mitt never doubted his team, and the reports of infighting were not true,” White said.
In Washington, meanwhile, scores of transition-team staffers who had been preparing for a Romney administration started packing their belongings Wednesday.
Mike Leavitt, the former Utah governor running the transition, convened a conference call at 10 a.m. to tell the staff they had until Friday to organize files, return their laptops and cellphones and vacate their government office.
At the Wednesday breakfast, Romney told the donors he believed Hurricane Sandy stunted his momentum in the final week of the campaign, according to multiple donors present.
Although Romney himself stopped short of placing any blame on New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who praised President Barack Obama’s leadership during the storm, several Romney supporters privately pointed fingers at the outspoken governor.
“A lot of people feel like Christie hurt, that we definitely lost four or five points between the storm and Chris Christie giving Obama a chance to be bigger than life,” said one of Romney’s biggest fundraisers, who requested anonymity to speak candidly.
Another major Romney fundraiser said Christie’s embrace of Obama after Sandy walloped his state only deepened a rift that opened between the Romney and Christie camps over the summer.
Christie and his wife were unhappy with Romney’s vice presidential search process, believing they were “led a little bit far down the garden path” without being picked, the fundraiser said.
Romney advisers have said they were disappointed with Christie’s keynote address at the Republican National Convention because they believed the speaker focused too much on himself and not enough on the candidate. Republicans close to Christie, however, said the Romney team approved the final draft of the speech.
Some Romney advisers insisted Wednesday that tensions with Christie have been overstated.
“The problem with Sandy was not Chris Christie,” said one political adviser. “The problem with Sandy was we couldn’t talk about the choice argument for the last week of the campaign. At a time when Barack Obama’s campaign was small, it allowed him to be bigger, and provided him a vehicle for him to show he can be bipartisan.”
Christie on Wednesday defended his work as a Romney surrogate, saying, “I did my job.”
“I wouldn’t call what I did an embrace of Barack Obama,” Christie said at a news conference. “I know that’s become the wording of it, but the fact of the matter is, you know, I’m a guy who tells the truth all the time. And if the president of the United States did something good, I was gonna say he did something good and give him credit for it.”
He continued, “But it doesn’t take away for a minute the fact that I was the first governor to endorse Mitt Romney, that I traveled literally tens of thousands of miles for him, raised tens of millions of dollars for him and worked harder, I think, than any other surrogate in America other than Paul Ryan, who became his running mate.”
The time will come for Romney and his campaign leadership to fully assess what went wrong. Some of his top donors immediately pointed to the campaign’s early strategic decision to frame the race as a referendum on Obama rather than a choice between two different governing philosophies and leadership styles.
A second member of Romney’s national finance committee said that although the campaign’s tactics and fundraising organization were executed well, the strategy and message were “total failures.” This fundraiser added that the campaign’s cautious and adversarial relationship with the news media proved detrimental.
“That strategy was we don’t want to define differences, we want it to be a referendum not a choice, but it was always going to be a choice. Elections are a choice. Their fundamental premise was incorrect — and when you’re incorrect on this level, you are shunned by people in the party,” said the fundraiser, who requested anonymity to speak candidly.
But Romney, those close to him said, is not second-guessing the counsel or work of his staff. After he spoke at Wednesday’s breakfast, Simmons said he spoke privately with Romney.
“I said, ‘So what are you going to do for the next few weeks? Let’s do something fun,’ ” Simmons recalled. “And he said, ‘Uh, I’m going to be really busy.’ He said, ‘I have 400 people to get great jobs for.’ ”
Late Wednesday afternoon, as sleet fell in Boston’s North End, Romney visited his campaign headquarters for one final staff meeting. He thanked his aides and said goodbye. His Secret Service detail gone — and with it his code name, Javelin, after a car once made by his father’s company — Romney was spotted driving off in the back seat of his son Tagg’s car. His wife, Ann, was riding shotgun.
Mitt Romney gives thanks as his staff faces accusations
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Mitt is off to the Cayman Islands to roll around naked in his cash for a while. Help take his mind off of the big lose.
Boy, how I envy Mitt……………………
Aw, too bad; he just missed BushII who was there giving a “secret” seminar on how to further hide your money away so as not to have to deal with those pesky taxes. Of course, poor W had to keep himself busy since he was persona non grata here in the states, made so by his closest friends and allies.
I do find it really funny though, watching the GOP eat their own since Tues night. It is one thing to blame the difficulty of circumstances on someone else if they are truly responsible. (BushII) but it is generally thought of as a mental illness when one simply cannot take responsibility for their own mistakes and instead blames everyone, anyone, everything and anything for their failures.
I will have to give the GOP a little credit though; some moderates have been discussing the actual reasons they lost the election. The problem is they are not discussing any fundamental change in philosophy, only a change in the marketing. They still have not grasped that it is character that is at the core of the issue, not the brand.
Oh, and as an aside to those here who are declaring that the GOP was not trying to eliminate women’s choice or their reproductive rights (part of the very real WAR ON WOMEN) I would like to add that you really need to do some reading. Several states have severely limited women’s legal access to clinics that not only perform legal medical procedures but provide health care to hundreds of thousands of women across the country. They have written laws that say a Dr must lie to their patients regarding the affects of abortion on long term health. They want to pass laws that will outlaw abortion for any reason. They said this out of their own mouths, its on the record. Many of them, Paul Ryan included, want to also pass laws against many kinds of birth control, including IUDs, the morning after pill and many kinds of birth control pills, as they prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall in the event of the first line failure of the product. These laws based on Dark Ages science would also make IVF illegal. Oh, and in Arizona, you are considered pregnant two weeks before ovulation. (I did not make that up.)
Until you arm yourself with facts and not just the messages from the bubble we cannot, will not take any argument may propose seriously. FYI, this is why you lost the election.
So glad he lost!
It’s truly odd how these people were surprised by the outcome of the election. I’m sure that’s because the entire right wing operates with their own set of metrics …. the same metrics that they feed to the public which makes it problematic when you begin to believe your own self generated hype, making it much more difficult when that bubble you live in bursts. Go figure?
Poor Fella! Still hasn’t figured out who elects the President. Maybe he didn’t throw enough money at it, LOL
Why he lost is simple…the users and takers now have more votes than the producers and givers. How long can it last is the question? Debt will be 17 trillion next month.
That sort of tactic didn’t work, did it. As well as it shouldn’t have. This in part was a campaign against the poor.
Your right he lost…and the debt will be 17 trillion next month.
I have to agree with you. The Democratic Party will never admit that the election of their candidates depends upon the vote of the taker class. Sooner or later the productive members of society will no longer be able to provide for themselves let alone $45,000 in benefits to the takers.
You make it sound like all the poor people voted. It is a fact that the very rich and very poor numbers are not that high in voting. It’s the middle class that carrys the most votes.
They are not takers! They are hard working people and are just as productive as you. The takers are the ones stripping this land of everything they can in the name of profit. Look down your nose if you want, but soon they will be the majority and you will be the minority. Besides – not good to call women takers.
Nowhere did my post call women takers. My post refers to the welfare class who make no effort to help themselves. I suppose in your world everyone should be taken care and those that work should feel happy about supporting those that can but feel they are owed a life by society. I”ve taken care of my children I shouldn’t have to pay for those who breed and cannot afford to have children. Nor I am responsiable for everyone else health. It’s time to make people responsiable for themselves even if they are paid minimum wage.
You are not an island. No one is.
you mean the military, the semi-retired, the recent high school and college grads, the elderly who are on SS and finally all the good tea baggers who with the grace of W’s tax cuts and their 1/2 dozen kids no longer have to paytaxes, that welfare class. Thank Bush for 1/2 the country not paying taxes.
All of the takers I know vote R. All of teh workers I know vote D. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Actually it is you who are misinformed. Both working republicans and democrats are working to support the welfare state. Working republicans see this enfortunately working democrats do not.
Of course, anyone who pays taxes is supporting welfare.
But I stand by my comment. All of the layabouts on my block – on various forms of public assistance – just love to talk about how they vote republican. Anyone else that I know well enough to discuss politics, well, they work, just like I do and seem to support liberals. The idea that the only folks who vote liberal are on welfare is not only incorrect, it is insulting.
Your mentality and that of the Repubs in general is the reason they lost. You can’t get respect when you don’t show respect. Romney disrespected the Hispanics,Women, and Seniors. Your comments about the users must also include the hard working people who just don’t make enough and need a little help with health insurance or heat even though they may in fact work harder than you and I. Like it or not, women vote! As do Hispanics, the fastest growing minority in the U.S. along with African-Americans. Obama’s crew recognized that and realized their vote is important. Romney and his crew refused to acknowledge that. Keep your attitude! It’s helping the working man make some gains. Thank you.
He lost and the debt will be 17 trillion next month…Do the women, hispanics, and seniors have 17 trillion? I hope so cause thats what we have in office.
Debt was at 10 trillion when Bush left….2 wars and he lowered taxes. Everyone was running on credit, banks, auto makers, homeowners. Bush never vetoed 1 bill while he was in office. There was no checks and balances on the house or senate. It all collapsed in Jan of 2009 thats why Bush was not asked to come to the RNC. How is it a 2 term president is not asked to speak at his party’s convention. Because he screwed up…it takes longer than 2 years to fix the mess we had. We are on the right track more people now have savings and use less credit and that is why the economy is slow. If everyone was out running up credit they couldn’t afford it would make the economy look like it’s booming when it’s all borrowed. There are jobs out there but the skill set is all wrong. The government is actually paying for people to be retrained into skills like welding, medical and biomass energy. I know this because I work in a career center that offers these government programs. When you have 10 trillion in debt your interest alone will tear you apart. We are going to suffer with spending cuts AND raising taxes.
Right, lets go all the way back to 9/11 that Clinton caused by cutting defence. EVERYONE wanted to attack Afg/Irac LOOK at the VOTE the DEMS demanded. Bush did have a debt Obama is on the way to 22 trillion. Good luck to him.
Be careful. BOTH campaigns threw enough money at winning the election…can you imagine how much better our financial future would be if even 1/2 of it had gone toward paying down our debt? Or donated to a bunch of homeless shelters or battered women’s shelters? Or to a bunch of foodbanks? Or free clinics? The American people need to be disgusted by what we’ve allowed our political process to become!
Looks like all those rich old white guys who threw money away backing a guy just like them are now angry that someone else (Mitt’s staff) couldn’t turn a turnip into a prince? Wouldn’t it be nice if they used this as a wake up call to start spending some of their money on others who are in need instead of trying to pay others to make them look more human then they are?
Even if he runs again this will will always be remembered what he said in this election an they will bring it up again .
I love that this man is being nothing more than a distant memory. Turns out the 47% was actually about 52% and that was just enough to move this guy along.
Are you saying that 52% do not work and pay tax?
I think that Obama received 50% of the popular vote and Romney 47%. Maybe the 47% he referred to voted for him.
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Were it not for illegal immigrants, latino green card holders, other undocumented immigrants, special interests groups, and the 50% of the voters who suck on the government this baboon would never have been re-elected. Are you for real? This man has no plan and has proven it for 4 years. Where have you been?
True, he didn’t get the trophy, but the election burst only the campaign bubble. His bigger bubble, the one insulating him from the rest of us and the grind of daily life, is intact. He’ll be fine – just fine.
The time will come for Romney and his campaign leadership to fully assess what went wrong………………………………………………………………………………………………
What went wrong is that they didn’t anticipate the power of women! If it were not for the women voters, Mitt may have won…for that matter, Scott Brown in Mass would have won too.
They can strategize and analyze for weeks to come and they will never figure it out because they are self absorbed men.
When you tell a woman that you have something to hide (tax returns), that birth control should not be paid for through insurance benefits, that you are against a woman’s right to choose, that you are changing the retirement age to 70, that you care less about the 47%…etc….you will lose.
When asked what contribution their 5 sons have made to this country…you seriously offend thousands of mothers that have sons that are in the service and mothers that have lost sons to the war, when the answer is…”my sons have each done work for our church missions…what?
I don’t know one woman that voted for Romney………..so the answer to why he lost is pretty simple really, yet over his head.
I know of several women who voted for Mitt….and I am one of them.
And no offense, ma’am, but you were clearly in the minority. Most of the women I knew were enraged to once again having to fight for the right to take granted their most basic rights as women to have privacy concerning their reproductive decisions.
Romney’s campaign mistakes went well beyond his embrace of GOP abortion/contraception policy.
1. “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” had no upside four years ago and eventually cost him Ohio.
2. Not soundly defeating his primary opposition early with spending dragged it out way too long.
3. Not releasing his tax returns let the media hang the story around his neck and implied he was a tax cheat.
4. Paul Ryan as V.P. didn’t even get him Wisconsin.
5. Crass response to the Benghazi attack left him without credibility on the issue.
6. Poor scheduling caused Clint Eastwood to dominated his convention press, not the candidate.
7. Insulting the British prior to their Olympics didn’t make him a statesman.
8. Relying too much on expensive TV ads instead of inexpensive campaign workers gave Obama a much stronger field operation.
9. Focusing on a myiad of issues instead of hammering home the economy.
Hey! It just occurred to me that Ted Nugent said he would either be in jail or dead within a year if Obama got re-elected. I’ll check in next November to see if he kept his promise.
We can always hope!
Let us hope he keeps his promise.
You can’t believe anyone who would poop his pants to avoid the draft.
Re: #1: The ad that he ran in Ohio saying that Jeep was shipping jobs to China and then when that ad was refuted by the CEO in charge of Jeep (Fiat/Chrysler) Romney doubled down on it….wow. People in Ohio don’t go for liars. And among his many lies, that was a big one coming at the very end of the campaign. What did he expect?
Good list. Narthwoods adds another good thought.
Romney did at least one smart thing — he was very well prepared for the first debate, while Obama was over-confident and under-prepared.
It didn’t do Romney much good that he ran for the Senate as a liberal, for Governor as a moderate, for President in ’08 as a conservative, for Republican presidential primaries in ’12 as “severely conservative,” and then in the general election as a moderate again. It gave people whip-lash, and made him sound as though he would say anything to get elected.
By the way, I met his dad in 1962. I always thought George Romney was a good man.
If he was so well prepared then why couldn’t he answer the very first question asked of him…a college boy got up and asked a question…remember? And remember it never got answered?.
Different debate. You’re thinking of the second presidential debate.
I said “he was very well prepared for the first debate…”
Romney won the first debate because his advisors were smart enough to get him to Denver a week in advance to adjust to the 5000 ft. Obama flew into town that day. Anyone will tell you that doesn’t work.
Great list!!
Your first point in his New York Times Op-Ed, titled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” goes to show you the influence of the media. Mitt Romney did not title his Op-Ed “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.” Newspapers pick the headlines for stories based on space and key, catchy words. If you read the actual article, he just didn’t want to throw money at the auto industry. He had a calculated and regulated plan for the auto industry as they went through bankruptcy.
It’s those key words that can send the wrong message and that’s an influence the media can have. Everyone knows the media tilts to the left and if you argue that the media as a whole doesn’t, you are living in a bubble.
Mitt lost though and there are many things that he could have done differently that may have switched things up. Don’t underestimate the power of the media though because that had a huge impact. No one covered the Libya debacle leading up to the election, which should have been covered in depth. The debate moderators including Candy Crowley and Martha Raddatz were not moderate like they should have been.
I voted for Romney and he lost in a wave of progressive wins across the country. We will see what happens the next four years. I hope things turn around.
True, he didn’t pick that headline — the headline, picked by the newspaper, was a more-or-less accurate summary of the opinion piece he wrote.
He said let GM and Chrysler go through bankruptcy, and let them come back with private financing, not from the government. Essentially, Romney wanted the federal government to do nothing to save the auto industry — let it all be done with private financing like Bain Capital.
Problem is, in that economy at that time they never could have gotten private financing. Nobody wanted to lend that kind of money. The Cerberus investment group had been trying to unload Chrysler after Daimler-Benz unloaded it on to Cerberus.
GM and Chrysler were both toxic. There was no private financing for them.
No private firm was big enough to re-finance a firm like GM, and nobody wanted Chrysler. Without intervention from the federal government, GM and Chrysler would have disappeared by now.
After the disappearance of GM and Chrysler, the auto parts suppliers would also have collapsed, and then the entire American auto industry — including Ford and foreign manufactures making cars in the US like Toyota — would all have been in big trouble.
And by then the whole American economy would have been in the toilet much worse than before.
With Obama’s help GM and Chrysler have bounced back, are creating jobs, and are paying back the US treasury.
Romney’s plan for private financing wouldn’t have just let Detroit go bankrupt, it would have bankrupted the entire nation. Auto workers understood that, and that’s why Romney’s home state of Michigan, as well as Ohio, voted for Obama, the man who saved the American economy.
“A calculated and regulated plan for the auto industry as they went through bankruptcy” v. “let Detroit go bankrupt”. I would guess that the end result might seem the same to a voting auto worker. Also, didn’t Fox News and right wing radio talk just a little bit about Libya prior to the election?
Fox News has reported on the Libya mess, but they are the only ones. The fact that no other news stations pressed the issue does show the fact that it media in general tilts to the left. An attack on the US Consulate which resulted in American deaths and the White House and State Department are telling lies for two weeks even though e-mails surfaced that they knew it was a terrorist attack as it was happening. Seems like a huge story to me that went unreported on.
If Republicans had been in office when this happened, this would have been the biggest story in the news. But the administration shoved it under the rug until after the election was over and it worked.
The reason it was only talked about on Fox was that it’s an election story created by Fox, for Fox viewers. The attempt to turn this into some kind of grand coverup conspiricy ioesn’t make alot of sense. It was certainly not done by many news organizations to Reagan after Lebanon or Bush after the 911 attacks and that was after the World Trade Center was attacked in 1993. Most of those who bought into the great Benghazi coverup also bought into Gallup’s and Rassmussen’s polls showing Romney victorious.
Regardless, even if Romney uses the Libyan attack as well as Fox News, his other errors remained.
And no offense, sir, but please do not attempt to minimize the reasons for the over 57.7 million Americans who did vote for Mitt Romney. We all have the right and responsibility to vote according to our own preferences. While you may not agree with their decision, that does not make their decision on who to vote for any less relevant or important or something they should have to defend!
I agree….however, when I started this conversation, i was talking about the power and the number of the female vote. No one ever has to defend their choice…they have the right to skip the commenting that is going on here.
You mean the “right” to end innocent life?
I mean the right to make whatever decision they choose in connection with their doctor and their family. I know that’s beyond the comprehension of some men.
do you actually think only men feel that way?
No, probably only men and women who’ve never had an undesired pregnancy.
So the dignity and worth of of child’s life is determined only by the mother’s desire?
I believe that human life develops gradually in the woman’s womb. A fertilized egg is not the same as a baby.
Before it becomes a naturally viable baby — early on when it is a zygote and then a fetus — I believe abortion should be rare, safe, and legal. Nobody likes abortion. But before a baby develops from that fertilized egg, some women need the option to end a pregnancy.
Why rare? If it’s not a real baby, why, what’s the fuss? Ridding the body of a non-human being, a growth, should be the way to go. Nothing sacred here, right? What is naturally viable? Is that able to breathe, eat, think, feel? And, why would Roe of Roe vs. Wade be sick with regret about abortion, as just about every woman ends up being?
I gave you a serious reply.
You replied to me only with angry sarcasm.
Nonetheless, here’s another serious reply.
“Naturally viable” is when the baby is viable outside of the woman’s womb without medical intervention. When it is ready to be born and can live outside the womb without special technology, it is certainly a baby. But to me the phrase I hear coming from opponents of abortion, “unborn child,” is an oxymoron. If it’s not yet born, it’s not yet a child.
You ask, “why rare?” Because I’m basically a cautious person. I believe that abortion is a serious issue that should be treated seriously, and with great consideration. It should not be used as a form of casual birth control. It should not be used as a way of controlling the sex of children. It should not be taken lightly.
I also believe in freedom (think of this as a libertarian kind of position) — and I believe in the woman’s freedom to make decisions about her own body without big government telling her what to do. I was in the Philippines last year, and met a woman who married very young (as is typical there) and the Catholic Church told her not to use birth control, and she had eight children before she was 28. It has been a major factor in keeping her family in poverty.
So I believe that women should have access to birth control, mamograms, pap smears, etc. — hence the need for Planned Parenthood. Women all over the world — this is no exaggeration — are often kept uneducated, often treated as if they are the property of parents and husbands, and are pregnant too young and too often.
Why does Ms. Roe have regrets? I don’t know Ms. Roe, and I don’t know what she is thinking. I understand that she has joined a religious movement where she has been taught that a fertilized egg is the same as a baby. If she believes that now, then her religion has taught her to feel guilty about a decision she made long ago.
As I say, this is a serious issue that should not be taken lightly. Some women may decide they made the wrong decision. Many may continue to believe they made the right decision — the better of two alternatives. I don’t know for certain what another person thinks.
As a basically cautious guy, I think we should be serious when we consider the pros and cons of any major issue like the decision to have, or not have, an abortion. How will it affect the health of the woman? Does the fetus have genetic or other medical problems ?
But in the long run, it’s not up to me to majke that decision for women. Most women who decide to — or not — have an abortion have looked at the issue seriously. It’s up to them, not to me, and not to an intrusive government.
What I said was the decision to proceed with a pregnancy is NO PLACE for the government. I understand you are incapable of wrapping your head around that concept of limited government.
Yes, as a women I know how important it is for them to always have a backup plan if contraception fails. They believe having the option to snuffing out a human life is their right, unless they want to put the screws to some poor sucker for child support. Yes, women have come a long way.
That’s a nasty, mean-spirited, pile of dirt.
How easily you dismiss what your grandmother, and her mother, and her mother went through. When you have no option but to have 6,10 15 or 20 pregnancies, like our greatgrandmothers did, back when there were no options, you might think differently.
You have the right to vote for the person of your choice……you voted with the minority. When you put economics before human rights, before women’s rights and before the rights of the poor…you lose.
Don’t assume that because we voted one way or the other that we 100% agree with all of the candidates agenda. I was looking for a fiscal conservative because I want to make sure we still have a country that allows us the freedom of choosing who we are governed by…not to become a colony of China. Congress makes the laws. Insurance companies decide what is covered and not covered. Congress and the states can force insurance companies to include certain coverages. I support the right of a woman’s choice and I support gay marriage.
It is amusing that so many people think they are going to be living in a colony of China.
If it’s not one thing it’s another, the big old bogey man is just lying in wait to ruin your lives. Folks get a grip. The sky is still up there and it will stay that way.
It’s as amusing as women thinking that the President controls their vaginas.
Access to birth control and abortion — or lack thereof, affects women’s bodies directly.
So do comments that encourage rape, like those of Republican Mourdock (defeated) and Republican Akin (defeated).
I agree with you. But when was the last time a President directly made a law that influenced whether or not a woman could have an abortion or birth control. The men you are referring to were not Presidential candidates. I know more Republicans that consider themselves moderates (fiscally conservative/more left leaning on social issues) than I do “right wing wack jobs”. It has been almost 40 years since Roe v. Wade and in that time this country has elected 4 pro-life President and not one of them even attempted to reverse Roe v. Wade.
There has been creeping incremental towards the reversal of Roe v. Wade by extremists appointing activist judges. I find it hard to believe that you have not seen this for yourself. Luckily Obama was president in the last 4 years to appoint two justices who will not try to legislate this change from the bench.
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If McCain/Palin had won then the Supreme Court would be so far right now that the anti choice attempts would have succeeded.
I hear what you are saying but it has been 40 years and there are more women in the US than men. Do you really think that women would stand for it? Istill think the biggest threat to Roe v. Wade is the individual state legislatures.
After 40 years…why should a woman stand for the threat of it?
because they know how unpopular it would be…it’s not because they didn’t want to
I agree. But to make the change would take a lot more than just it being popular or them thinking they could get away with it. The people that need to be watched most are those that are working at the state level to make it harder to obtain abortion services.
Because they can’t reverse a Supreme Court decision, short of a Constitutional Amendment. What they can do is say, “Ok, abortion is legal, but now you have to have all these ignorant and unnecessary tests and procedures before you can have one.” They may not be able to get rid of it, but they can make it miserable to do, and the R’s have been trying to do just that since Roe v. Wade.
Which is why your state legislators are the bigger threat to Roe v. Wade than any presidential candidate.
I think you’re underestimating the power of the President to have effects on those in the ranks, and also, of course, the President’s power to pass executive orders and elect Supreme Court justices. If Romney had been elected, it is possible a moderate or liberal judge could have stepped down, or died. They are in their 70’s. All it takes is one more conservative judge.
Actually the split right now (in theory) would be enough right now. The current make up of the Supreme Court is thought to be 5-4 with a more conservative majority. Historically, justices retire during their parties presidential term to attempt to keep the split. Of course we don’t have control over the death of a justice. Yes a President can appoint a justice but do you really think an ultra conservative justice would get through the Senate hearings? Because I sure don’t. Executive orders can result in positive and negative action. For example they have been used to desegregate schools (Dwight D. Eisenhower), fight wars (Kosovo – Bill Clinton), and to integrate the armed forces (Harry Truman). These executive orders are not gospel though and several have been challenged in courts of law and thrown out. I still have a very hard time believing that the federal government is who we need to fear when it comes to abortion. I firmly believe it is the state legislators that we need to fear the most.
I hope you’re right, but I have seen stranger things happen in politics. Vigilance and care at all levels of power are necessary.
You haven’t answered the question about transvaginal probes. Also in effect in Texas, tried to go into effect in Virginia which turned it back because of the outcry of women. Mississippi tried to make a zygote a full human being with more rights than the mother. The Republicans and their desire for small government (another lie) must get out of women’s vaginas. It’s institutional rape as far as I’m concerned…and we know what Republicans think about conception coming from rape – it’s god’s will.
notice it’s mostly the R candidates who are so fascinated with the vagina. in Alabama, the conservative Rs want to pass a law that b4 a woman can have an abortion legally, she must allow medical personnel to insert a transvaginal wand in to the fascination area and make the woman look at the object in question.
the politician is Shadrack McGill, a young chicken farmer R state senator. mainegirl, tell Alabama women they have nothing to worry about.
Exactly! Like Roe V Wade was going to be magically overturned if Romney got in. Yeah, vote for Obama who has done nothing good. His foreign policy is a disgrace (I wonder if the mainstream media will EVER truly look into the Benghazi mess), he spent untold amounts of money to get the unemployment rate right back to where it was when he took office. Obamacare is still the biggest tax increase this country has ever seen. This country is in horrendous shape, and over 50% of voters decided that Obama apparently is worthy of more time so he can hopefully get is completely over the cliff. …but yeah, the issue was that Mitt Romney didn’t release more than 2 years of tax returns….WHO CARES? If he has done nothing illegal, I don’t care how much he makes or how much he paid in taxes (approx 4 mil last year, right……but oh yeah, 4 million isn’t enough to help Obama pay for all of those freebies that others get).
Obama hates the rich yet he needs them as their taxes pay for most of the government.
Let’s see, in 1992, in Casey v. Planned Parenthood, supreme court judges–nominated by PRESIDENTS ruled that states could require women to undergo a 24 hour waiting period before seeking medical care.
Right now 24 states either have or are seeking legislation that would require women to undergo ultrasounds prior to abortions, and in some states women are required to view the ultrasounds. Again, if this goes to the Supreme COurt, that decision would be made by justices appointed by a president.
Also, foreign aid to countries is contingent upon no abortion counseling being provided to these women.
Romney stated that if a law came to him as president, to reverse Roe v Wade that he would sign it. The House has tried to pass a person hood law which would make it like murder to have an abortion.
well, a president could appoint supreme court justices that could control vaginas and more. a repressed R president could appoint repressed justices and there would be mayhem in vaginaville.
Yes, President’s appoint Supreme Court justices but they all have to be approved by Congress. These are permanent appointments until they either die or step down. Since our Congress takes great delight in disagreeing with each other I doubt we need to worry about a far right or far left justice being sworn in. As for your other comments…anyone that is married to a vagina or dating one knows what happens when there is mayhem in vaginaville. Good luck with that.
You don’t think that Scalia and Thomas are not extreme? My goodness, Mainegirl. You want more Scalias on the Supreme Court?
Obama is extreme yet over 50% of the voters had no problem voting him in again (because he apparently earned another 4 years….yeah right).
Yes, the loonies think that we will soon be taken over by the Chinese, or Europeans, or Socialists, or Martians, or the phleobotamists, and they are going to teach vegetarianism in the schools! Horrors!
Lions and tigers and bears… oh my! :)
While you are looking at the sky, I will be getting the lead outta my butt cause the clock is ticking, and there are only (+51) days until the fiscal cliff….(midnight on 31 Dec)…..because shits-ky is about to hit the fan-sky….if you want the true nightly news then please watch Alex Jones on info wars dot com….
Agreed, I am a pretty big liberal, but went with Kevin Raye, new face, new opinions.
When economics loses nothing else will matter. Including all those rights you speak of.
You mean if we become like Canada? Oh, what a terrible fate! They are healthier, happier, have a better economy…
No, I don’t mean when we become like Canada. I mean when we become like Greece which, thanks to the Obamaphiles, is the direction we are moving. Much of the Greek populace is broke and on the streets. They flirted with socialism and Marxism and all they got is misery. And BTW you have often commented about the benefits of the Canadian system. Have you thought about moving there?
Also I used to think Canada had the better health care system when compared to the US. I have several friends over there who are elderly and they lost their drug coverage. They now have to pay for drugs out of their pocket…they are no longer free. Personally, I would still choose the Canadian system over ours, but it’s not free and the coverages are eroding.
SpruceDweller wrote, in response to libsux:
You mean if we become like Canada? Oh, what a terrible fate! They are healthier, happier, have a better economy…
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Greece doesn’t control their own currency. Oops! Your Limbaugh-supplied spiel just crumbled.
Glad you see that Canada is better. US citizens used to ride by the busload to Canada to buy cheaper Rx drugs until Republicans made that illegal.
And didn’t state employees also get theirs via mail until Lepew stepped in to stop it recently?
Wow, thanks for this. I’ll check into it!
Found it, Spruce:http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/09/07/health/ag-ruling-means-higher-medicine-costs-for-state-employees-businesses-that-bought-from-canada/ Nice to see our gov is looking after our state employees.
Thank you, I’ ve copied this into the reference files I use on these forums. The GOP chips away at our liberties, bit by bit
Found it, Spruce:http://www.pressherald.com/news/canarx-ruling-hurts-workers-for-city-state_2012-09-10.html
Thank you, I’ ve copied this into the reference files I use on these forums. The GOP chips away at our liberties, bit by bit
Well they lost control over their currency. When you have no more currency…nothing to control. As far as the US citizens that crossed the border to buy their drugs; those drugs were not free. They paid for them.
SpruceDweller wrote, in response to libsux:
Greece doesn’t control their own currency. Oops! You’re whole Limbaugh-supplied spiel just crumbled.
Glad you see that Canada is better. US citizens used to ride by the busload to Canada to buy cheaper Rx drugs until Republicans made that illegal.
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The Greeks voluntarily gave up their own currency, the drachma, and joined the common euro currency, a half-brilliant idea, but the euro has no central banking authority nor does it have a common governmental authority.
The Greeks are a small nation (think of a country similar in size to Connecticut) that uses a currency controlled by a group of other nations.
We have our own currency, the dollar. So the Greeks have created a problem for themselves that is completely unlike anything here. As long as we don’t give up the dollar to join the euro, and as long as the U.S. continues to be bigger than Connecticut, we won’t have the problems the Greeks have.
So your suggestion that we will become like Greece is just nonsense.
Unlike the past few posters that I’ve been dealing with you sound like you have a brain. The size of Greece did not bring them down. And they are down. Large countries can go down just as well as small ones can. The former Soviet Union is an example of that. When the Greeks spent more Euros than they take in, they fail. Euros or dollars, it doesn’t matter. And Uncle Sam is spending much more than they receive and are getting by only because we keep borrowing from China. Germany and France are to Greece what China is to America; a source of money. Greece would not adopt the austerity measures demanded by Germany to keep supporting them. Our deficit is growing to a point that it will never be paid. No responsible person could run their household like this, nor can any civil entity, whether city, county, state or country. Obama is not the first president to spend like a drunken sailor (no offense to drunken sailors), but he is by far the worst. Bush 2 was almost as bad. And we can become like Greece if we don’t start showing some fiscal responsibility and stop letting Obama and those like him play it’s citizens like a fiddle.
penzance wrote, in response to libsux:
The Greeks voluntarily gave up their own currency, the drachma, and joined the common euro currency, a half-brilliant idea, but the euro has no central banking authority nor does it have a common governmental authority. The Greeks are a small nation (think of a country similar in size to Connecticut) that uses a currency controlled by a group of other nations. We have our own currency, the dollar. So the Greeks have created a problem for themselves that is completely unlike anything here. As long as we don’t give up the dollar to join the euro, and as long as the U.S. continues to be bigger than Connecticut, we won’t have the problems the Greeks have. So your suggestion that we will become like Greece is just nonsense.
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The size of Greece is relevant only in that their economy is also small, and so their own currency, the drachma, was a lot less viable than the dollar. They thought they would gain by using the euro. But now they have no control over the currency they use. Its value is determined by forces Greece has no control over. They can’t devalue their currency or print more. As a consequence, their exports are over-priced.
You are correct that a big country like Russia — or the US — can get into trouble with too much debt. We agree here.
But the problem Greece has is compounded by the fact that they have no control over their currency.
As for spending under Obama, yes we have spent a lot. Part of the problem comes from the growing debt he inherited, which was caused by a combination of the Bush tax cuts, the Bush wars, and the economic crash of ’08.
He had to deal with the crashing economy first — not the debt.
Obama came into office without any good options. Bad debt. Worse economy.
He increased the debt to save the economy. If you don’t save the economy, you don’t have revenue to pay the debt.
Many economists argue that the way you get out of a recession is to put more money into the system — spend money by building new roads and bridges, etc. He also cut taxes to put more spending money in people’s pockets.
That raises the debt, but when the economy recovers, government revenues increase, helping to pay for the stimulus. The problem is that the recession was so deep — and the stimulus was big, but too small by comparison to the problem — that it is taking a long time to recover. So revenues still haven’t grown enough.
Certainly, when you are already in a recession, and then cut spending drastically like Greece did, the tightening of the money supply sends the country into a deeper recession.
The solution to the economy isn’t easy — but the economy had to be the first priority, and unfortunately the debt problem had to take second place to the economy.
Yes. Greece uses the Euro, a currency with no central bank and no single governmental authority — so Greece is unable to let their currency devalue when their economy tanks. A common currency without a common government or a common treasury — not a good plan in the long run. The Europeans had a half-brilliant idea, but it had unintended consequences.
I was in Greece in 2000 when they were still using the Drachma. They could devalue their currency and thus make exports cheaper to revive the economy — or print more Drachmas to pay off the national debt. 500 Drachmas, if I remember correctly, were worth about 35 cents. Can’t do that now that they’re in the Euro zone.
Yeah, and why do Canadians come in droves to Maine every weekend to shop if life in Canada is so perfect? Canadian healthcare is not something we should want.
Stop watching Faux News. You’ll live a less fearful life. We’re not anything like Greece.
Stop watching MSNBC. We’re following Greece’s example.
narthwoods wrote, in response to libsux:
Stop watching Faux News. You’ll live a less fearful life. We’re not anything like Greece.
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Greece and USA: no comparison.
The Greeks voluntarily gave up their own currency, the drachma, to join the common euro currency. The euro was a half-brilliant idea, but the euro has no central banking authority nor does it have a common governmental authority.
The Greeks are a very small nation that uses a currency controlled by a group of other nations.
We have our own currency, the dollar. So the
Greeks have created a problem for themselves that is completely unlike anything here. As long as we don’t give up the dollar to join the euro, and as long as the U.S. continues to be a lot bigger than Greece (with an an economy many, many, many times bigger than theirs), we won’t have the situation the Greeks are in.
So your suggestion that we are following Greece’s example is just nonsense.
Yeah, if Romney had been elected, women would have been sent back to the stone age…..oh please. You rationalize it any way you want. You voted for (most likely for a 2nd time) Obama who had no experience doing much of anything heading into his 1st four years (and they were clearly a disaster), but yeah, we have to find a reason to vote against Romney.
The “rights of the poor?” What rights have the evil rich people taken away now?
Me too. Because the President doesn’t dictate what insurance companies pay for, he can’t affect change to the Roe vs. Wade (only congress can), or change the retirement age (only congress can). The fact that his 5 sons earned their own money to pay their own way to do 2 year mission trips is wonderful in my book. It means they were taught at a young age fiscal responsibility and to care about other people. The United States Military is an all volunteer force. The mothers that have children in the service deserve our thanks for raising wonderful kids that want to serve our country. But no one held a gun to their head and told them they had to serve. And more than just one woman voted for Mitt Romney, because President Obama only received 55% of the woman vote.
Actually, to change Roe v. Wade requires a Supreme Court decision, which the President affects by selecting who gets on the Supreme Court. If Romney had won, he would have picked new Court members who would have tipped the balance–abortion would have been illegal in this country, everywhere, even in the case of rape and incest.
But Supreme Court appointments are for life or until the justice willingly steps down. So do you really think a more liberal justice would step down during a Republican presidency? Do you really think that Congress would be willing to approve a far right type justice? In our current reality, I don’t see any of that happening. What I see is states trying to make changes that make it harder for women to obtain abortion services or requiring additional hoops to jump through. In my humble opinion, I do not see us ever going back to abortions being illegal.
You’re right, the States are a threat to women’s choices and to women’s health and safety. But the Federal level is risky too.
The liberal justices, and the moderate one, are in their 70’s and could well resign for health reasons or simply die. And yes, I do think Congress would appoint a justice who would overturn Roe. Is the Senate going to stand up to the House and a Republican president indefinitely? And what if Dems lose the Senate? Then its all over.
I think this country is pretty evenly split right now. But I think that the younger generation is a lot more socially liberal. Could it happen sure I think anything could happen. But I’m more worried about states than federal. I guess because of what happened here in Virginia with them trying to mandate additional testing and counseling before an abortion could be done.
I agree with you. Good points.
I think we both have valid concerns and relevant view points. Thank you for chatting with me.
Unfortunately part of the Romney/Ryan plan was to oppress women. How a woman can cast a vote against herself is perplexing.
Oppress women??how was that to be done…
To bad men can’t get pregnant
Huh ????????
could get pregnant and he was raped do you think there would be any question that he could chose or go thru life raising the baby alone? Since men can’t get pregnant they don’t really think of those things like women do. Did you see 1 female congress person say no abortions unless by rape or death? Of course not because they are strong women and not these weak religous woman. Ever wonder why Catholics don’t allow women priests? Women are a tool to having babies and the more they have and raise as Catholics the bigger the church becomes. Look where the Pope has lived and look at where Mother Theresa lived. All religions are cults made up by some power hungry group trying to control and brain wash other weaker people. Church now want to have a say in politics then they better start paying taxes. I don’t think it is fair I pay taxes on a road that leads to a church in which I don’t believe in. Churches need to pay their fair share.
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Oh, don’t you know….pregnancy NEVER causes the death of the mother. Joe Walsh, R, told me so. By the way, Joe didn’t get re-elected. Just like Aiken didn’t get elected, just like Mourdach didn’t get elected.
Welcome to the minority.
has paternalism groomed you for it?
We will try not to hold that against you.
I’m a woman and I voted for him. So did all of the women in my office. Also, a lot of my friends voted for him. Personally I feel that abortion is murdering a baby, and I don’t need birth control anymore…but I do know plenty of people who need jobs! There is nothing wrong with church missions. They are helping people (without the money being stolen from them by the government). A mission trip can be like going to New York/New Jersey, and helping rebuild, or cleaning debris. It can be delivering much needed items to those who go without. I hope you have a blessed day.
Just because you don’t need birth control doesn’t mean other women don’t.
Funny how they claim that everyone else is so self-centered and entitled, yet all they think about is themselves and their own needs.
It’s all about them and no one else. Me, me, me…..I think it is about “us”
If you were talking about me, I always look at the needs of others. I was looking for a president who could help with the economy….a huge need for thousands in our country. Yes, My husband and I both have jobs, but we do just scrape by these days, so the economy is important to us. I was also looking for a president who gives a crap about our military. The current one does not. He can not even find the time to salute a flag. Birth control is something that IS available to all women….I never said to take it away…I just don’t feel like I should have to pay for it. If this was me that you wer talking about…stop putting words into my mouth.
You’re not paying for someone else’s birth control anymore than you’re paying for someone’s blood pressure medication. We all pay premiums, so why isn’t blood pressure medication a handout? I don’t need to put words in your mouth, your selfishness and ridiculousness is on full display. Obama doesn’t care about the military? Come on. You don’t have to agree with him, but that is such an absurd claim to make. Yeah, Obama totally hates this country, that’s why he’s spent so much time in public service, so he can hate America. Use your brain.
Well, you obviously don’t know me if you consider me a selfish and ridiculous person, because when I have extra money, I give it willingly to those in need, I volunteer my time to many organizations. I do consider Obama someone who does not care about the military, because of what he has shown, not because of an obsurd claim. He is the commander in chief of this country, and boats are limping back to port because of no funding. He threatened to not pay our soldiers, just before Osama was caught. Have a great day.
You have a great day and start using that noggin of yours. It makes absolutely zero sense that the President hates this country. What a nonsense thing to believe.
I’ll re-post what I answered another person…a few posts down…….
He didn’t seem like he gave a crap when he threatened to not pay our soldiers just before Osama was caught. He doesn’t act like they are a priority when he is taking away funding for their safety. Maybe he does…I don’t know his heart….I’m just going by what he has shown outwardly.
Like he was not going to pay them! Come on, use your brain here.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/05/government_shutdown_would_mean_soldiers_stop_getting_paid
I remember this because my son was scrambling to come up with rent just in-case this happened. Sorry to say, but at the time, it was fact, not me making it up.
He never threatened to not pay them.
@harvickfan29 – The linked article clearly states that the pay stoppage would have been the result of legislative inaction.
romney lost YAY
Oh, my God, you really aren’t operating in reality. It wasn’t Obama that was threatening a government shut down! Obama isn’t Congress! If Congress refuses to act, Obama can do very little and yet you are blaming Obama for that. You really are looking for reasons to hate the guy — regardless of reality. That’s sad. Open your eyes and quit being blinded by your disdain.
Another free pass for Obama. Nothing is his fault, he is powerless to do anything (like present a budget), yet when it comes time to talk about Romney, the libs say “oh, if he gets in, women won’t be able to get abortions, they will have to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.”……yeah, Obama has no power and Romney would have been seemingly all powerful.
Pointing out that failure to authorize the funds allowing him to pay the soldiers is NOT threatening to not pay them! In fact it is just the opposite. because he pointed that out the congress did not dare to take the action that would have had such a disastrous impact!
I suggest you go and look up all of the bills pertaining to the military and see who blocked them. You’re way off base with your claim.
Oh yes, if somebody is a Republican they must be “selfish.” It seems to me the libs are the selfish ones. They want to make sure they can spend everybody else’s money. I work in education, working with kids all day, donate to charities, rescue animals, etc. Yep, another selfish Republican here. I think Obama has been institutionalized with “public service,” since he has never done anything else. All he knows and believes is big government and the spending that goes along with it.
President Obama has been disappointing in many ways, though “not giving a crap” about the military? Huh?
He didn’t seem like he gave a crap when he threatened to not pay our soldiers just before Osama was caught. He doesn’t act like they are a priority when he is taking away funding for their safety. Maybe he does…I don’t know his heart….I’m just going by what he has shown outwardly.
BDN
Would you stop with that lie?
Obama pointed out that the president CANNOT pay the soldiers if the congress fails to authorize the funding. Because he told the truth about that the authorization was passed.
What is THE number one thing that keeps our soldiers safe? Not putting them in harm’s way unless absolutely necessary for national defense. In that respect Obama has provided an imperfect, but far better alternative than what the “other guys” have both delivered and promised in recent years.
It was not long ago that we went to war with a country that posed no risk to our national defense. And not only did we put soldiers in harms way for this folly, we sent them there unprepared with subpar equipment and many paid for this negligence with their lives. Is that what “supporting the troops” should look like?
Hey, gang! “applause” another troll emerges!
Your right under Bush he cared about our military so much…Read this article right down the street from the White House and this is taking care of our troops!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal
By the way Bush only became involved when the media attention could not be ignored. This is the worst thing you could do to our military especially the wounded and their families. Look at our wounded now they get the best medical care and research into artificial limbs. The government has never been at a higher rate in researching better products for their care. I would give up 10 not needed boats for the health care for our mentaly and physically wounded soldiers.
It doesn’t mean that I have to pay for everyone elses either…..
It’s called the greater good, get used to it. It’s real and it is for everyone’s best interest.
If you don’t want more unwanted children in this world that you (believe) you pay for then it would be in your best interest to help keep unwanted children from entering the world, or poor children who will be raised in poverty.
You either want to help curb the population or you want to add more. Which is it?
Again, I never said to get rid of birth control. The greater good would be to have millions of people return to work….to have jobs that we could all afford to have a place to live, and to be able to afford a box of condoms or a months supply of the pill if they wanted it. I’m just saying that if there was a better economy…we would all be better off.
The economy will improve. This takes time, it always has. I’ve seen the economy take a hit before, this is a very desperate time for many but it will pass.
I hope that it does improve, but I can’t see how it will by spending, spending, spending, and making our country more in debt. We need a budget, and a tight one at that. We need to stop spending, and create jobs…that is how thngs will get better.
Let’s cut the over spending and waste in the military and Medicare. Those are the meat and potatoes that need serious looking at. It makes no sense to go after Big Bird since he is like the butter on the bread. Let’s cut Nasa a bit more and maybe a new type of health care where our government officials and worker who are making 6 figures pay into their own health care.
about ever 15-20 years the Rs find a way to loot our once great country. remember neil bush and his savings and loan scandal in the 80s, one of the brothers in the bush crime family. remember when richard shelby, R, AL, chairman of the banking commission allowed all the banking Rs to rob the country again, blaming “bundled derivatives”, crushing the country at the end of bush’s term.
the jobs will come back, but when the Rs see the prosperity in the middle class again, they’ll have another scheme to loot the country again. keep score.
You’re not paying for it anymore than I’m paying for someone else’s blood pressure medication!
Seems like you just want excuses to dislike the President. It has nothing to do with principles or reality.
I am not looking for excuses to dislike the president. I want to like him…I really do. He is my preident, whether I like it or not. I would prefer to have someone else, but I will have to live with him as president for another 4 years. His policies and lies have given me reasons not to trust him. That is reality.
Address my point. Why do you believe you’re paying for someone else’s contraception, but not their blood pressure medication? What is the substantive difference? If you can’t be consistent in your logic, then you’re the one lying.
I never said that I wasn’t paying for blood pressure medicine. The topic was brought up about womans right and birth control…not elderly care.I don’t rcall ever saying that there was a difference…hence no lying from me. Sorry.
Yet you’re only screeching about having to pay for a woman’s contraceptives. Which you’re not actually paying for by the way. But don’t let those facts get in the way. Just make up little lies so you can feel good about hating the President. Just like your lie down below that he didn’t want to pay the troops.
There are a lot of things that I don’t want to pay for…do you need a list? It will take multiple pages if so. The topic was contraceptives, so that is what I answered. I also never said I hated the president….typical…blaming me for lying, but putting words in my mouth is the same.
You’re not paying for anyone’s contraceptives! Use your brain. The only change is that health plans are required to cover a woman’s contraceptives. That means, THEY PAY FOR IT WITH THEIR PREMIUMS. Come on.
And you are lying. You said the President was threatening to not pay the troops. That’s a lie. Quit trying to skirt responsibility for the garbage that you’re posting.
So whose contraceptives are you paying for? And why are you, since you aren’t required to by anything Obama has done.
His policies and lies have given you reason not to trust him…..
sort of like…I don’t need birth control anymore…and then flip flopping to…..I never used it?
I’m going to type this slow so follow closely…..I don’t need it. I could have used it in the past if I chose to, but due to the fact that I am unable to have children anymore, I don’t have any use for it. No flip flopping here, just someone trying to get way to technical for his/her own good…
From your post….I don’t need it…”a n y m o r e” ….means, you did use it, but now you don’t need it anymore/ Why is this so hard for you?
I understand where you might get that from…but again….I did not use it, and I no longer have any use for it……end of story! Have a great day!
Good catch!
Would you rather have them have the baby and then you pay for that instead of birth control? People are human and they have sex. Does it mean if they are poor they shouldn’t be human. You say have a blessed day but you seem to be heartless to those in need yet you say I give I give! You seem nice and say you give and then you say why should I pay for someone elses. You are kind of wishy-washy like Romney….He said I want to cut FEMA funding then a storm hits 4 days before election and he says I would never cut FEMA. Maybe that’s why you voted for him. I get it now same character flaws.
Nothing wishy washy about me. I say something and stick to it. There needs to be cuts…in many areas for us to rebound from this economy. I give when I can, I volunteer. I am trying to say that I should be able to choose which organizations should get my money. I am the one working 50 hours a week. If I want to pay for one organization , but not for things like lifelong welfare recipients, that should be acceptable. I know that there are many people in need, but this country is not what it used to be. Many people feel that they can make more money on welfare than working, so that is what they choose to do. I choose to work. If you look, there are many jobs available….some are not as great as others, but there are people hiring. In my town there have been help wanted signs all summer…I’m sure that Obama was never wishy washy on anything was he….wait, yes he was. Thats how politicians are. Not just Republicans, not just Democrats…all of them!
please shut off faux news. it’s owned by an aussie troublemaker, rupert murdoch. google the trouble he and his crew are in over in england
Birth control. Lipator. What’s the difference?
I’m going to with…fat old white guys need the latter, but not the former? :)
Wait you used birth control that means you murdered babies because every christian knows the use of birth controls is against god’s will. But since you don’t need birth control any more why should you care if someone who is poor and can’t afford it be able to use it including your friends without jobs? Your a hypocrite don’t you see that. Funny your so religous daying have a blessed yet you have sinned by using birth control. Shame on you!
Um ya, okay….I never said that I did use birth contral..I just didn’t say that I had to have emergency surgery and because of that, I can not have children…hence the need to no longer need it if I wanted to. No hypocricy here…run along!
yes you did…you said…”I don’t need it ANYMORE…..anymore means you did, but now you don’t.
OKAY…let me re-phrase….I don’t need it!!! Is that better?
You and your friends have the absolute right to vote for the person of your choice…you were in the minority.
I also would not have an abortion…but I would never,ever take that right away from someone else. You don’t need birth control ANYMORE? So you DID use it and most likely paid for it…wouldn’t it have been nice if it had been covered by insurance?
To compare fighting in a war and losing a life in Iraq, to church mission work in other countries is and was an ignorant thing for them to say…
I will have a lovely day and I hope the same for you.
Yes, church missions are fine — churches help a lot of people with charity. Our church gives generously to food pantries, gives heating assistance, etc.
But churches and private charities can only do a small amount of what needs to be done.
We, the people, form our government. The government is not the enemy — the government is us. We just participated in our government by voting (sometimes you win, sometimes you lose). It’s we, the people.
So I think we, as a society, need to help one another. That’s why we have a government to do together the things we can’t do separately (like build interstate highways, provide for the national defense, provide medicare, social security, etc.).
Jesus told us to help the people he called “the least of these.” Yes, I know he never told the Roman government to do it. Roman Emperors were dictators. The Romans were a foreign army ruling over Judea and Galilee. They had a different system from ours.
Today we get to elect our government, and it isn’t 2,000 years ago anymore, and we the people, our government, despite some mistakes, can generally do things more effectively and more efficiently than we can do as individuals or as churches and charities.
So, I applaud you for your church work.
And I voted to re-elect a president who cares about “the least of these.”
Agreed.
I would add that the Republican Party has taken on the model of a corporation. Their leaders talk about “rebranding” themselves.
Mr. Romney didn’t have a campaign. He had a business plan in which the sales pitch unappoligetically changed with each customer. They seemed to think if sales were not meeting targets, it’s okay to just change the product.
Also, a President of the United States who says to supporters that it’s not his job to care about 47% of Americans? The question is, How did he get one vote?
Let’s hope they do it again in four years.
Oh please. The Democrats are just corporate lite compared to the Republicans who are corporate origional. Obama got as much of his contributions from Insurance Companies, Wall Street bankers, and C.E.O.’s as did Romney.
The difference is that Romney actually stated he planned to chop off almost half the electorate. Obama will probably do that too, but at least he had the decency not to throw it in our faces
Many Republicans say the problem was that they didn’t nominate a “real” conservative, like Santorum, Bachmann, or Cain.
It would be scary if one of them had been nominated, but all of them would have been disastrous candidates for the Republicans, carrying only the Confederate States of the Old South. If that’s the kind of candidate they put up in 2016, they will have a rude surprise on election day.
Yet the dems can nominate a radical leftist in Obama and that is ok? Mitt Romney was about as moderate/left a “Republican” can get.
Scary is seeing what is left of this country after 4 more years under Obama. Has he put forth a budget yet? He does seem to have some magical power. ANything that doesn’t go his way, it was Bush’s fault, Congress’ fault, evil rich people, etc. He is NOT held accountable by his followers for anything. With followers like that, it is very scary as to what he will do.
Uh. Radical leftist? Obama is moderate on almost every issue. Not a liberal’s liberal whatsoever.
Though Romney is not a far right demagogue, he constantly pandered to the far right even after securing the nomination. His campaign targeted the wrong people and his VP choice sent the wrong signal. He should have asked our outgoing Senator Snowe. Might have picked up some moderate/independent/women votes. Paul Ryan delivered him no new votes.
Obama is just a little left of center. He only looks like a “radical leftist” to people who are on the far right — which unfortunately is where most of the Republican Party has been drifting.
Yes, Romney was the least nuts and most competent of all of the Republicans in the primaries. But to get the nomination he had to move far to the right, and then moved back toward the center again in order to have a chance in the general election.
Obama, a moderate liberal, didn’t have to keep shifting his positions like Romney did. We already knew him as a little bit left of center, and he stayed there.
But Romney ran for US Senate as a liberal, for governor as a moderate, for president in ’08 as a conservative, in the Republican primaries this year as “severely conservative” to quote him, and then in the general election as a moderate again. It seemed that he had no principles but would say anything to get elected.
Romney was the least bad candidate the Republicans had. He ran a competent campaign and came close in the popular vote, but got clobbered in the electoral college.
Huntsman was the best candidate – very sensible and decent man with bi-partisan appeal. I think he could have won it.
If you don’t know one woman who voted for Romney then you probably only know women who approve of killing their unborn; who, though they want to be thought of as independent human beings & equal to men, they can’t buy their own birth control; and finally, women who refuse to face the fact that a ‘freebie’ society eventually goes broke.
You realize birth control doesn’t only mean condoms, right? Why should women pay for healthcare plans if the prescription the majority of women need and use isn’t covered? Why is requiring standards for health plans now all of a sudden a “freebie” thing?
so you are ok with Viagra being covered but not birth control? Blood pressure, anibiotics, drepression meds, arthritis meds, on and on and on….but not birth control. Why? You mention equality, why should woman have to afford and pay for birthcontrol pills but not men… were is the equality there.?
The women I know would’t consider telling YOU what to do…you have the right to decide for yourself. THAT is what indepence is.
Viagra should not be covered either. No one is going to die because they didn’t get laid. The same cannot be said for BP meds, etc. That’s lovely that the women you know wouldn”t consider telling me what I can do. Wait until we all get a load of what Obamacare is going to tell us we can and cannot do.
Actually birth control pills are often prescribed to treat hormonal issues that are life threatening.
Unwanted pregnancies create unwanted children.
Having raised a number of these, I will tell you that the “Christians” who suggest they be adopted are not out there. One child stayed in my foster home from age 8 to age 19, because the State had terminated parental rights, but failed to find an adoptive home.
Children with disabilities (including emotional disabilities from being abandoned) are hard to place. Children who are over age 9 have a better chance of winning megabucks than they do of being adopted.
You busy-body types who believe that death or failure to be born is worse than a life in a world where you are not wanted should try the later.
love the fetus, hate the child
The more I read your posts, the more I like you. A great deal of what is wrong with the pro-“life” movement is summarized here. :D
I know several women that voted for Romney, I was not one of them.
Its about more than just women, its about minorities and young folks, too. The repubs have positioned themselves to look like the party of old white men. Wheter or not that is true, I’ll let someone else decide. But that’s how it looks.
That demographic is rapidly shrinking and the young, woman, and minority vote is strong. If the Repubs don’t make themselves appear more friendly to these groups, they are headed for extinction.
I’m an old white man, and I didn’t vote for him… even thinking about dropping my membership in the R party and becoming an Independent.
I’m not a big fan of some Obama policies, BUT he is head and shoulders above the man who wants to ignore almost half the electorate. If he couldn’t win in Maine’s second district, and If the R party thought we (down here) would vote for the Mustard King instead of an authentic mill worker, guess they guessed wrong.
They ran an anti US worker campaign, and the workers in the second district, in Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin voted against him… What did he really expect?
I know the poor black folk get free cell phones and more food stamps. I know that more liberal voting illegal immigrants will be granted amnesty. I know that Toyota will get to sell many more Prius’s. I know that tax payers now get to pay for more taxes. I know that Government is going to grow and more tax dollars will be required to pay for the staffing. What exactly is it that women stand to gain from Obama’s having been re-elected ? Please inform.
I know that your first sentence tells me everything I need to know about you………..
Nada ? billswifey, my first statement is 100% correct. It has nothing to do with the contrived “War on Women”, either. I would truly love to know what you’ve gained and you give me crickets ? Good grief………
Bye Bye R$money and Lying Ryan, I won’t miss you…!!!
You did SAVE the USA by loosing…!!!
That is COMPLETELY INCORRECT!! Romnet got 50% of the womens vote. He got 10% of the black/hispanic vote. Those people voted solely on the color of Nobama’s skin, NOT the issues in front of us. If Nobama had been white, he would be one of the many of us that are now unemployed.
Check those numbers again…you are wrong
The Republicans still don’t understand that appealing only to the pale and the male is a recipe for defeat. Given where the youth vote has gone, the Rs will be appealing to the pale, male, and frail in 2016. It will be a monumental fail.
Mitt only drafts a ‘coronation’ and not a concedence speech, the ‘Stepford wife’ is planning the drapes decor at the White House, and Mitten’s aides are making administration appointments. How disconnected is their reality? Denial and hubris are powerful emotions when you live in your own entitlement world.
Actually, Ann is secretly pleased that Mitt lost because she was dreading having to move into a smaller house.
Bahahahahah!!! Best post-election comment!
Actually, every time we have an election this happens. Usually though it doesn’t make the news…must be a slow day.
Romney’s team was dumb enough to make wildly incorrect predictions about him winning in a landslide and to post his transition website where others could see it. That makes it news.
Actually if you look back through coverage of other presidential elections you’ll see that others have done the same thing. Even President Obama had his team set up well prior to the election back in 2008.
They posted transition PLANS. Romney’s team posted his actual transition website. No, others were not dumb enough to do that.
A story built on “anonymous” quotes.
File under: Made It All Up
“Made It All Up”
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An incredibly appropriate eulogy for the recently deceased Romney campaign.
The End of The Mutt’n Tagg show
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Seems the party of the democrat did to Mitt Romney and the Republican party what Mitt Romney and the Maine GOP did to us who supported Ron Paul.
Goodbye Mitt…Whoever you are..
He’s Tagg’s dad
Who is Tagg ??
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh,Mutt’s son
A man who mistakenly believed that buying a major interest in the company that makes and owns the machines that count Ohio’s votes would help his daddy win.
Lisrten to the sheep bleating in glee before the slaughter……………………
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
WOLF WOLF!!!!!!!!
Good morning :)
Hi, how you doing…………..
with Mr. Obama being the herder
If you want to have a really good laugh, head off to As Maine Goes (the extremist right wing site Naran runs).
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The election never appears to have happened there.
Mitt, thank you for running such a strong campaign for the leader of this great country. Now that the country has elected Obama to guide us for another 4 years, I am at a loss. I wasn’t your number one fan, supporter but I am sure going to miss all the flip flopping, excuses on tax records, and gosh I really wanted to know what exactly you was going to do for this country and the only way we would know all of the details of your true plan, was to vote for Mitt.
The next 4 years will be boring, no news headline on you changing your mind, or telling us more stories about Jeep going to China and hey who knows I was really looking forward to more of your knowledge of the business experience you have. Without you now we won’t know McDonalds sold to China and Ford sold to Toyota or any other big secret you know that you so wanted to share with us.
We had some good laughs Mitt, but I am sure going to miss laughing everytime something comes out of your mouth. The good news is, your party can just…shutdown….like a woman’s .err nevermind it is too complicated to explain that to you.
Romney truly angered the 47% he distastefully insulted. A group where most people have worked and paid into the system.
If the Republicans weren’t so pathetic, this would be funny.
Blame the hurricane?
Right. But DON”T BLAME the fact that Republicans advocate:
eliminating medicare with vouchers
drastic cutbacks in social security
more tax breaks for the already rich
more tax breaks for corporations
restricting women’s health care
huge increase in Pentagon spending
And of course, the VP candidate is on record saying that a 13 year old girl must carry and deliver her rapist’s baby.
But no Republicans, don’t blame your own policies.
It was that damn hurricane!!
Their excuse appears to be that it was God’s will.
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lol
Obviously God doesn’t want the Republicans in power either.
Give the liberals enough rope & they will hang themselves. Of course, we all will have to suffer in the meantime.
RIGHT ON.
Amen!
I seem to recall Obama endlessly blaming others (even the Japanese tsunami-now that’s funny) for his inability to govern. How about blaming a freaking video for the loss of our ambassador & 3 other brave americans in Benghazi, Libya while the prez sat & watched & his administration did nothing to help?
Romney lost because they turned it away from being about the candidates and into a referendum of liberalism vs. conservatism. They didn’t talk about what Mitt would do, they talked about how awful and radical Obama has been. Obama talked about what he has accomplished and what he wants to do moving forward — regulations for Wall St., defending SS and Medicare, the DREAM act, LGBT rights, letting the Bush tax cuts expire, etc. The people chose liberalism.
I’ll bet $10,000 he doesn’t run again
Did you hear his campaign thought they would get 300 electorial votes. Thats way off from 206 which means the formula they were using was pretty far fetched. His camapign even wanted a recount in Florida because they didn’t want Obama to have 332 votes. He lost by a landslide. The main reason he lost besides being out of touch with real people is because of some of the people he backed. You know those same few people who mentioned forcible rape and babaies from rape are god’s will. These are sick individuals with this type of thinking.
Funny how they went on and on about how Obama was literally the worst President in history and then they lost by this much? Embarrassing.
Couldn’t even win their own states. Seems that those who know best knew better.
It is sad to see how many sheep actually believe the president will control your birth control and contraceptives. So what if he doesn’t believe in abortion, he can’t do a thing about it. As for contraceptives, it is amazing how the left scared supposedly intelligent women into believeing they would lose their contraceptives! How moronic is that?The issue was..you want them..PAY FOR THEM! You want an abortion, fine…PAY FOR IT! Some war on women. I really thought women had made great inroads but I can see the Dizzy Lizzy Warrens and the Debbie Schultzs really got the so called intelligent women scared and brainwashed. It is a shame.
Why is a prescription for contraceptives any different than a prescription for anything else, like blood pressure medication for example? You want blood pressure medication, pay for it!
What kind of dizzy non-logic is that?
“Dizzy Lizzy Warren??” Where do you hang your two Harvard degrees homemaine?
In case you didn’t learn this at Harvard, The President appoints Supreme Court Justices. This four year term we are likely to lose one of the moderates. Scalia, Thomas, Ailto, and Roberts have already indicated they believe Roe v Wade is bad law. All they need is one more Justice to concur. Since Ruth Ginsburg is ill, it is widely believed she is likely to retire this term. If that happens and a pro life justice is confirmed. that could swing the court.
Not likely say you? Not willing to take the chance say I.
I am glad he lost. The media would have crucified him, at least now, BO will get 4 years of a free pass from the media as the hope and change campaign continues under the masquerade of ‘business as usual’…
Just like the first four years – right?
The other day you called someone a troll. What do you call that remark? Those remarks aren’t going to work anymore.
gremlins at work
“said the fundraiser, who requested anonymity to speak candidly”. Makes me wonder what they are afraid of… Oh, wait, Romney: “I have 400 people to get great jobs for.” Has to make one wonder whether the fundraisers believed in Mitt’s cause or their own cause…
Ah, the finger pointing. Gov. Christie is not to blame, he is honest and that should do him well in the future. Makes one wonder how much truth is/was lacking in R rhetoric (and I’m being kind). Speaking of that, the disenchanted business funders must have believed the rhetoric too much? What did they expect? They made bad bets. Live with it. Fortunately elections can not yet be bought, at least with tainted money for dubious reasons.
The real reasons: the flip-flopping necessary to fit R&R into the Draconian R platform including stands on abortion, ACA, and policies affecting women (amplified during the campaign including some real howlers). Thankfully the Libyan screaming ceased when it became apparent that it was a CIA fiasco with a CIA dark ops.
It’s time to reverse the SCOTUS decision. It’s also time to avoid the unnecessary “cliff” and get some governing done. The Party ideology driven policies have failed, time to govern.
Being a woman the problem I had. He rode the fence, told two different versions, Who is this man? What cuts was he going to make? and the other problem was his comment on the 47% Watching the election he lost to his home state Mass and his fathers which was Michigan and Paul Ryan lost to his home state too. To me that says a lot who this man is..
Romney’s campaign pissed of large groups of voters, especially women and latinos and ordinary working Americans and because the Rs are so fractured internally an R candidate has to talk out of 4 sides of their mouth.
Near as i can tell the evangelical southern Baptists are the nuttiest fracture, yet the Rs can’t win without them. What to do, what to do, wait, they’ve tried every wrong-headed way to win, so i would suggest a bit of moderation, so they can compete.
Mitt likes to dismember US companies and sell the parts? He likes to fire people? He says he can create jobs, but when he was Massachusetts Governor the Commonwealth was rated as number 49 (out of 50) States in job creation?
Bye Bye Mittster Hope you fall off a cliff!
The WIN was big and sweeping but what this losing group of extremists did to our country should never be forgotten. What they did in an effort to win was try to steal the vote using all the nonsensical BS that we’re all to familiar with. On top of this defeat those who had any hand in voter suppression should be rounded up like the criminals that they are and tried in a court of law for treason against the United States of America.
Luckily, this time, our Federal judges have done a yomen’s job in making sure, as best they could, in guaranteeing citizens’ continued unfettered right to vote despite all of the machinations of various GOP/TP zipperhead State legislators.
Next time, the voter ID requirement that have been passed, too close for this election, might not be so open to litigation.
We need to commit NOW to make sure that everybody who is eligible retains their individual Constitutional right to exercise their franchise for the future of our collective democracy.
We truly are all in this together and we need to send a message to those who would try, again, to suppress the most basic right to vote.
We got this AND we’re keepin’ it!
Obama 2012
There needs to be examples made and Governors, AG’s and anyone involved in this sham needs to be held accountable. I think Florida would be a good place to start. What they’ve done is as un-American as anything I’ve seen lately and there’s been a lot lately that falls under the description of UN-AMERICAN!!
Christy, Rubio, the Romney women, the Cain advantage…many missed opportunities……mistakes made, lessons learned…..that’s what market driven competition should do where there is drive and ambition…I have a clipping about an inventor who perfected his wave machine after 100 tries; I think Edison had almost as many. It’s the American Way.
The notion that Mittbot could just waltz in to the Oval without doing ‘the work’ required and funded by PACs is what came across most of all, in my view. It illuminated what was always lacking behind his self-described ‘successful’ careers.
He doesn’t get it yet that he’s had a leg up just by virtue of being born into his particular privileged family. He creates little, but contempt, and fiiles it under ‘class war’ – based on jealousy? People aren’t jealous. They just don’t like him!
On some level, he must know he ‘deserves’ nothing as he was practicing his excuses for not being elected quite early on. What’s so is that he had nothing else to do and nothing to lose – no skin int he game, as they say. And voters ‘got it’.
His steadfast refusal to release the expected number of years worth of tax returns was a glaring red flag that had little to do with how well his campaign staff could, or was committed to, ‘protecting’ him.
Mitt did this to himself and I, for one, am eternally grateful for his unyielding ineptness.
Great job!
The blatant obnoxious sense of entitlement espoused by both the candidate and his ditzy beloved was truly astounding. The ‘47%er’ tape and video was the cherry on top.
Pardon me while I gloat- for the next two to four years!
I’m going to enjoy this for a very long time given the raft of $&!# I’ve endured for the last several months. I’m also going to support the undoing of Citizen’s United and continue to advocate for Women’s rights!
We got this AND we’re keepin’ it!
Obama 2012
Number 1 Loser, hahaha. If these guys would someday try positive campaigns instead of all the bashing, things could have been different. All they had was bashing. Majority Rules……….
He had his transitional team ready to go and a website up and running. The website is down but the images remain.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/07/romneys_transition_site.html
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Romney had a golden opportunity to win this contest as the result of the sputtering economy. While many would agree that President Obama has done his best in a difficult situation, he was still vulnerable. Romney failed to inspire enough confidence in the electorate, and was consistently dishonest from the outset. Failing to disclose his income tax status over the past ten years, disowning Massachusetts healthcare and other positions he held as Governor, constant lying about the President’s record and the economy and airing false ads on welfare and the auto bailout all contributed to his loss. He made prevarication and equivocation his hallmarks and has no one to blame but himself.
So…now that that is settled, let me ask…did he pay for it or did you pay for it……and don’t you wish it was your insurance paying for it? Afterall, you are paying a pretty penny for prescription coverage
Viagra should not be covered either…………………………………….
Ohhh….but it is…and why is that ok?
Just face it–the liberals had the community organizer- in- chief at the head, and he started campaigning for 2012 as soon as he won in 2008! No surprise here. The R’s are not as organized.
Remember last year when in NH the Obama organization was already set up for whatever should emerge, and most likely every community had someone in either a covert or open office.
Smugness seemed to be in the air in the last two weeks–
Are you calling the voter suppression effort not organized? When these criminal clowns of democracy are rounded up and tried maybe then you will realize how well organized they where.
“Some top donors privately unloaded on Romney’s senior staff…”
If I had kicked in to Romney a couple of million, figuring I’d get back more than double my money on my investment in tax breaks and war contracts — and my candidate lost, I’d be annoyed too.
After all, we are the party of accountability.
The humble Farmer
Typical corporate thinking. When the “product” fails to sell enough units, blame the poor folks who tried to make it work and tried to sell it, even though it was not good enough. Don’t blame the poor management or the company that produced an inferior product that the people just did not go for.
Good riddance to Romney and the Dark Ages.
I still have Hope.
The problem was (well, one of many) was that they ignored the Census. Their arithmetic just didn’t work. President Obama’s team took the Census and turned it into real votes, with specific micro-targeting, making contact many times with voters. David Plouffe said contact was made not once, not twice, not three times but five, six times since the summer. They had millions of volunteers, they had 800 brick and mortar offices to Romney’s 200 and countless living rooms that volunteers worked out of to get out the vote. Romney’s team and their Etch-a-Sketch philosophy wasn’t enough. In the end, not enough people trusted him. And that is a good thing for all of us.
The people didn’t like his agenda…which ever one he tried to sell
I’m just so grateful the majority of voters saw through this clown. He had nothing to offer except some hollow promises about the repairing the economy. Without the radical GOP influence Romney would have been a relatively moderate leader, I believe, but he tried to hard to appeal to the extreme right. If the GOP has any chance of survival they are going to have to change their game plan. Demographics are changing. For too long we have had to watch a bunch of old, white, balding, myopic men making decisions for the rest of us. Thank you fellow citizens – you make me very proud!!
Romney, here’s where you went wrong:
-outsourcing American jobs to China;
-operating Bain Capital to buy up corporations, merge them, and fire middle class workers;
-promoting health care for citizens of Massachusettes only to trash health care for all Americans during your presidential bid;
-casting 47% of your fellow Americans as lazy & worthless (I’m paraphrasing so don’t sue me for libel, Mitt);
-advocating for permanent tax breaks for the wealthiest few Americans while advocating for the end of tax breaks for the middle class—-where the vast majority of voters hang out;
-flip flopping in the debates while wearing that eternal smirk ie: debate #2: Mitt says pulling out of Afghanastan by 2014 is not feasible, then in debate #3: Mitt says we should be out by 2014.
-promising to overturn the Affordable Care Act on day one of your presidency when you and your family would have been provided top notch health care on the American taxpayers’ backs. DUH? Couldn’t you even offer to refuse this free perk since you wanted to deprive the rest of us from attaining affordable health care?
Mitt, I’m sure every Democraat who voted has his or her reasons for not choosing you. The above is a list of my top reasons for staying with President Obama. Say, that again: President Obama, not Romney. Yeah! Presidet Obama. It still sounds good after four years!
Here’s a tip or two for the Republican party when they reform and get their act together.
1. CEO’s don’t necessary make good public leaders.
2. Don’t use data that your party generates to predict elections.
3. Occasionally step outside of the bubble that you’ve blown around yourselves.
4. Count on being convicted if you mess with our votes or try to suppress it.
5. Science, Math and Global Climate Change are all true.
6. Don’t mix social issues with issues of state.
Good Gawd let it go! It’s over!
In 4 years time we will either:
#1 all be singing Obama’s praises
or
#2 this country will be so far gone that it will take decades to recover, if ever.
Hoping and praying for the first option but not seeing it at this point. Too much money and political division in Congress.
How about term limits, make congress subject to Social Security & healthcare and all the other laws that govern the rest of us but most of all, they have all made a bundle of money there, they shouldn’t be paid their salary for life after they leave. They are no better than the rest of us. No more career politicians.
There are some good points about the reelection of Obama:
Legalize Pot?
“”The answer is, no, I don’t think that is a good strategy to grow our economy”–President Obama
“White House press secretary Robert Gibbs later clarified Mr. Obama’s position: “The president opposes the legalization of marijuana”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4894639-503544.html
He can “evolve” on that issue as well. ;)
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I have read every post (101 showing) on this thread! With a tiny few exceptions the posts (and the election results) are an excellent indication of why Maine is a “loser (you-owe-me) state!”
Mitt Romney said (I believe) that; “47% of american voters have some form of government dependence either earned (as in social security and medicare) or unearned.” He actually goofed! He did not include the “you-owe-me” types which would make the number higher! The election results show that the number is at least 52%!
Actually everyone should feel sorry for Obama when he is sworn in as the next president. Just think what a mess he will inherit from the current administration! To fix the trillion dollar annual deficits and out-of-control spending he will have to back away from all the “gimme’s” and other bribes that are the liberal/progressive hallmark because there is not enough taxable potential in any part of the economy!
And, when everyone wakes up from their euphoria, they should start to feel sorry for themselves and for the USA as the economy resumes its downward slide as the USA more and more looks like Greece, Spain, Italy (and soon) France! If 7.9% unemployment has been judged to be such a big deal, can you imagine how 25% will be viewed? Can you spell social unrest and disorder? Can you spell anarchy?
Anyone who is prepared to weather such a scenario had better be ready to “lock and Load” to protect themselves and their families because social, lawful order will be the first victim! Several years ago a journal (the Atlantic Monthly I believe) published a paper entitled “The Coming Anarchy.” It was (unfortunately) very prescient!
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You are probably correct with both your points.
However, one can feel compassion for those who work and try to make it on their own. But how does one generate respect for some who pay no federal taxes yet expect to take more and more from those who do?
There are many (and I am one) that felt that this election was our last chance to rescue America before it reached the tipping point and started an inexorable slide toward a third world mentality. Now we have to face the possibility that we may have already passed the tipping point and four more years of Obama will complete the transition.
I am not a religious person, but I pray that we are wrong and some miracle will allow a reversal of the downward trajectory!
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You take offense where none is intended. Please read my post and my earlier response to you(especially the second sentence) carefully!
good point!
Romney lost in his own state.