PORTLAND, Maine — Maine’s natural beauty and easy-going lifestyle have drawn tourists and retirees to the state for decades. Now a new demographic is moving in.
According to the FBI, in the last three years up to 4,000 gang members have moved in to Maine, where there is a lucrative drug market. This surge has forced lawmakers and police to act.
A public hearing on a bill aimed at addressing concerns about the growing problem is scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday at the State House.
According to the FBI’s National Gang Threat Assessment, southern Maine is now home to as many as 4,000 gang members, up from no detectable gang presence just three years ago.
Coincidentally, Maine’s reputation for peaceful streets and residents who mind their own business, which has made the state a popular destination for retirees and vacationers, may also be attracting dangerous gang members.
“They come up here to get away, if you will,” said Capt. Don Goulet of the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office.
“Mainers are just good people,” said Eric Berry, president of the Maine Gang Task Force. “It’s a beautiful state. [Gang members] can come here and stay anonymous. They don’t have a lot tied to them and they can find someone locally and use their home and vehicle. It allows them to operate under the radar.”
Some, such as the 24 rounded up in the Portland area as part of a 2010 sweep by immigration officers, have reported ties to big name national gangs with track records for brutality. Those arrested in the high-profile raids included members of the Asian Boyz and two factions of the Bloods — the True Sudanese Bloods and the True Somali Bloods.
Berry said, “virtually every gang you can think of is in the state right now.”
“The FBI did a study and they found that there are 11 nationally recognized gangs,” he said. “And nine are in Maine. There are so many different groups, you can’t say they’re coming from Boston or New York. When we talk about gangs, we talk street gangs, motorcycle gangs, racist groups. It goes across the board in Maine.”
Drugs, guns and sex
Federal agents say gang members are selling drugs, guns and sex in Maine — primarily in the southern portions of the state. Richard Deslauriers, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Boston Division — which oversees Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Rhode Island — said that despite the limited presence of notorious national gangs, the primary gang threat in Maine comes in the form of what he called “neighborhood-based violent street gangs.”
Deslauriers said the neighborhood-level gangs may have ties of varying strength to larger gang networks, adopt similar styles to those better-known groups or be entirely independent.
When the gang threat assessment report was released in October, the FBI also announced plans to join with state and local law enforcement to develop a Southern Maine Safe Streets Gang Task Force — creating a common clearinghouse for gang-related intelligence and sources in the area. Deslauriers said that announcement is a sign federal agents want to “nip it in the bud before it becomes entrenched in Maine.”
“One indicator [of gang presence] is that you see certain graffiti and ‘tagging’ in the neighborhoods where these [criminal] activities are taking place,” he told the Bangor Daily News this week.
The fact that gangs are still working to become established in the state, said Deslauriers, adds another degree of difficulty for public safety officials. The ways in which gangs and their members establish territories and leadership chains, he said, are usually violent.
Last July, Portland police arrested two people during a downtown brawl over turf involving about a dozen members from three motorcycle gangs: the Iron Horsemen, the Saracens and the Exiles.
“It is concerning when you have gangs that are in conflict with each other,” said Lt. Gary Rogers of the Portland Police Department Wednesday. “That took place at around 6 p.m. in the Old Port. We’re concerned about innocent people getting injured or caught in the middle of something like that.”
But despite the words of concern coming from law enforcement officials, one of the nation’s top gang researchers said he’s skeptical that Maine is in danger of significant gang activity.
Alex Alonso — a southern California man who has been studying gang culture for more than 20 years, has testified as a subject matter expert in more than 200 court cases and follows gang activity nationwide through his website www.StreetGangs.com — said he’s seeing a trend of federal agents overstating gang presences across the country.
“They’ve been doing this a lot lately,” Alonso told the BDN Wednesday. “They’ve been allocating resources in smaller communities across the country to take on small-time street groups. I’ve been seeing this pattern. I don’t see anything significant in Maine. I think law enforcement has to rationalize their budgets.”
Maine is an ‘open market’
The promise of money, status and nice cars makes gang membership attractive to young people in southern Maine, many of whom have seen their families struggle in the ongoing economic downturn, Berry said.
“I’ve been doing this work for three years and kids are easy targets,” Berry, of the Maine Gang Task Force, said. “They’re highly impressionable and they’re looking for something to belong to. When you throw in money, [gangs] look so attractive. They’re in movies and on TV and they look cool. … Ask them if they’ve seen ‘Scarface’ and they say, ‘Yeah, that looks cool — the flashy cars and everything.’ When you have that much profit involved, you can’t convince a kid to work at McDonald’s for $8.50 an hour when they could make thousands a week selling crack.”
Additionally, he said, Maine’s previously low-gang landscape has created the impression among out-of-state gang members that the state is an open market for contraband.
“There’s tons of money to make,” Berry said. “It was a huge untapped market. They found a niche with people up this way. The biggest reason is profit. Drugs sell for four to 10 times as much here as they do in Boston. People travel a ways to come up here to sell drugs.”
Gang law proposal in Maine
After reading the FBI’s threat assessment, state Rep. Amy Volk, R-Scarborough, submitted legislation that aims to address gang activity in Maine. Volk originally intended to write a bill that would criminalize some gang activity by making it illegal to solicit children to join gangs, but that draft bill will be thrown out at a public meeting Friday.
Instead, her bill, LD 1707, will ask law enforcement agencies around the state to create systems to figure out which criminals are gang members and to then share that information with other police agencies. That identification and sharing process must be complete by 2013, if the bill passes.
Part of the reason the bill got watered down was at Berry’s request. He spoke with the state’s Criminal Law Advisory Commission, which pointed out that existing laws already address the issue.
“There is already a statute on solicitation to do a crime,” Berry said.
Judges in the law commission informed Berry that if a police agency identified a criminal as a gang member, that information can already be brought up in court as an aggravating criminal factor, which could increase a prison sentence.
“Nowadays you have someone arrested on a possession charge or something, and they don’t do much time or they might plea bargain it out,” Berry said. “But they’re doing it on behalf of an organization. That money for selling crack doesn’t go to that one guy, it goes to a national organization. It’s different.”
So what is really needed is for police agencies to all work on finding ways to identify gang members and share that information so that it can be used in court, Berry said.
A solid identification process also will protect people who are not in gangs, Berry said. People with a lot of tattoos who like to ride motorcycles with their pals are not necessarily in gangs, he said. So law enforcement officials will work to address what criteria will help protect those people while identifying those who are involved in criminal activities.
Volk said the changes to her bill should be completed and presented at the public hearing on Friday morning.
“Maine doesn’t have any gang legislation at all. We have to get our foot in the door,” Berry said on Thursday. “This first bill is a huge step, versus having nothing, but we take the steps we can get under the circumstances. We want to bring awareness to the problem in the state and it’s great to have public meetings because people are going to start talking about this.”
The size of the problem
Lt. Rogers of the Portland Police Department said that despite the formation of the southern Maine task force and introduction of Volk’s bill, it’s important to remember “we’re not being overrun [by gangs] by any stretch of the imagination.”
“Street gangs are always associated with big, major cities, and Portland certainly doesn’t have a problem like they do in bigger cities,” Rogers said. “Portland is a smaller city.”
Capt. Don Goulet of the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said his organization has arrested people who turned out to be members of out-of-state gangs, but those arrests or summonses have typically been for nongang-related crimes such as traffic violations.
“We know that they exist, and we know that they’re out there,” Goulet said, “but when we’re dealing with the members, it’s not as a result of actual [gang] activity going on.”
Alonso said if violent gangs are increasing their presence in Maine, the state’s violent crime numbers should be increasing as well. He noted that Maine’s violent crime statistics for 2010 are about even with the figures from the mid-1990s. The 1,621 violent crimes reported in the state in 2010 are up slightly from numbers in recent years, but are down from 1995’s figure of 1,631, recorded at a time when there was no such gang concern.
“I don’t think there are groups of gang members in New York or D.C. or Florida saying, ‘Let’s move up to Maine,’ but that’s the narrative law enforcement is using to describe gang activity to smaller communities,” Alonso said. “They’re trying to say these small communities are being infiltrated by big city gangs. But if you have a town where crime is actually staying even or going down, you’ve really got to scratch your head. Why do we need all these extra resources?”
The FBI nonetheless is arguing aggressive action is necessary before those gang members being picked up for traffic violations build networks in the state, or join with others just getting established here.
“We’re trying to get out ahead of the problem,” said Deslauriers.
Berry said the perception that there’s little or no gang activity in Maine is part of the problem. He cited a shootout in 2010 between federal agents and 27 gang members in Old Orchard Beach as evidence that there is a problem with gangs in Maine.
“There have been a number of things happening in the last few years here,” he said. “Last year alone there was a lot of activity, but it doesn’t seem like people are paying attention. It’s not like you’d see 20 guys in red standing on a corner. It’s not obvious to the average citizen … [but] it’s all over the place.
“If we continue to keep our heads buried in the sand it will become a much bigger problem,” Berry said. “We can do something about it or wait until it gets really bad. I want to do something now.”



Another reason why every law abiding Mainer should take the course, get the permit and start carrying a weapon.
You’re not familiar with statistics on gun violence and self-defense, are you?
I am, very much so.
I live in Argentina half the year. Every morning in the paper I read about all kinds of crimes that get committed here as there is no deterrent from a home owner or business owner or even an individual on the street that an illegaly armed criminal fears. I see the same thing on the news at night.
I am very aware of them. I will give you the easy answer to those with the mere ability to defend themselves being safer then those who can not.
Go look at the anti firearm brady bunch web site write down the top ten states they rate as the best laws. Then compare that list to the crime statistics by state.
AMAZINGLY the states that the brady bunch says have the best firearms laws also have the highest crime rates! Conversely states with the least infringement on citizens obtaining / owning and carrying firearms have the LEAST amount of crime. Maine for one. FYI Maine has one of the highest firearm to person ratios in the whole country.
For those who do not know in Maine not only is it pretty easy to get a carry permit you can also own machine guns, suppressors, SBR’s ( short barrel rifles under 16 inch barrel ) SBS”S ( short barrel shotguns under 18 inch barrel ) and ever a AOW ( any other weapon IE pen gun wallet gun cane gun and so on) Maine the way life should be.
I’ll leave it to you to pick out the three (possibly four) logical fallacies in your argument.
Nice try, though!
Yeah, and while you’re arguing, thugs are robbing you. The old adage of tried by 12 or carried by 6 keeps me frosty. Come to my door uninvited, go ahead.
you should qualify your statements with the statues that support them otherwise they are just that statements. And or better yet a stretching of the imagination.
How about you lay out these statistics you hint at
I didn’t make the claim; the impetus isn’t mine.
(Let’s see if this passes the copy desk on the second go ’round)
incorrect use of the word ‘impetus’. i think you meant to say ‘onus’
http://www.dictionary.com
Two replies: One helpful, one snarky. No one was able to combine the two?
I am disappoint, son.
No i am not, because i try not to go on left wing nut web sites.
I’d rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. I would also take my chances with my gun and trying to protect myself than not having it and being at the will of the attacker. JMHO
“An armed citizen is a safe citizen. An unarmed citizen is a victim.”
Welcome gang-bangers to a conceal and carry state, this ain’t Mass or NY.
Roger That!!
Gang Members Have Bigger Guns Though… Also if Mainers have that attitude… What makes Gangs want to ask questions first… Majority of Gang members do not want to kill innocents.. Well MS13 not so much but I am sure your Guns will handle them right… These Gangs have unlimited income unlike you… So who will have bigger arsenal. Sure kill one but now your town is on a radar…
more importantly, the gangs have a market for their drugs.
gangs are all about drug profits.
one of 2 things has to happen to make the gangs go away:
1. people stop buying drugs
2. drugs are made legal.
I am for number 2. No intelligent person would use drugs just because they are legal. Once drugs are legalized, there will be absolutely no increase in the number of users, but there will be an astronomical decrease in criminal activity surrounding drug sales, use, turf protection, etc.
yea ,but how is the state or goverment going to make the big bucks? their answer “keep drugs Illegal”
and the sheeple allow it.
this makes me want to comment on the al quaeda BS… there is no al quaeda, there never was… there are different groups that US intelligence likes to call al quaeda… NOW they are telling us that al quaeda is going away? so this is a victory, I guess?
(I do a dance every morning, preventing elephants from falling out of the sky in Cumberland County for the rest of the day… it works!)
I think you’re absolutely correct about the drug profits, but IMHO, simply legalizing drugs alone won’t make the problem of gang violence go merrily away. I say this because (for example) cocaine seems to be the choice of some upwardly mobile, intelligent, and very successful businesspeople. They aren’t immune from causing domestic violence, or some other criminal activity aside from illegal drugs either. Also, many a high-rolling decision has been made over a 3 martini lunch, so I don’t buy the ‘intelligence’ angle. There are plenty of intelligent addicted people in this world – their intelligence just makes it all that much easier to conceal their addiction from the general public IMO.
From what I’ve experienced, kids who join gangs are typically very, very, broken kids (with the exception of a few who are totally spoiled rotton and are just getting back at Mom and Dad for making them follow rules) and the majority of them have been in and out of the DHHS system for most of their lives themselves.
The power of the ‘gang’ is a high as well as the fact that the gang members become a pseudo-family the kid never had. Certainly there are many who have dug themselves out of a bad family life situation, but that is usually the exception and not the rule IMO. Most of them have never been (or barely been) held accountable for their own actions for the majority of their lives.
Add to that fact that one can’t turn around without seeing some sort of media message, song, commercial, ridiculous ‘reality’ show, etc. that glorifies all that is ‘bad behavior’ (which kids tend to eat right up). It’s a basal instinct IMO. Stick a 3 year old in front of a tv with people dancing and count the seconds before the child is imitating the moves. Sometimes I wonder why it is that people tend to think that children can reason like adults.
Back when drugs weren’t pushed by legal means (like the 24 hour barrage of drug commercials on the TV now) we didn’t have the problem with the black market that we do now either. Yes, there have always been illegal drugs, but the masses weren’t hooked on them starting when they were 7 and couldn’t sit still in class.
Back then, they had multiple recessess to burn off hyperactivity. Now they’re expected to sit like soldiers the entire day with a paltry 15 – 20 minute recess (in elementary anyway – nothing at all by middle school). Is it really any wonder that the prescription drug market has exploded?
Drugs that are commonly sold for profit and abuse now, are the ones that no one could get their hands on unless they were literally dying, orthey had a solid, verifiable mental condition – not just symptoms.
Now they’re prescribed for everything and anything under the sun.
I meant to say that intelligent people will not START using drugs JUST BECAUSE they are now legal… there will always be drug users, and I think that the percentage of users will not change.
legalize and the crimes go away…. and you get no new users (no NEW ones)
as for corporate drug pushers… you do not have to tell me… I have been an assistant attorney general prosecuting those lieing bastards for YEARS… I know all the games the drug companies play, better than most.
You are making Maine sound like Dodge City (or maybe Deadwood). Not the Maine I want to live in.
So put a sign in your front yard saying “no guns in this house”.
MOVE!!!!!
This is what happens to all states. The thug culture has been accepted into the mainstream in dress, music, and the vernacular. Its easy for the “real” bad guys to blend in, and young people have no idea of how dangerous the “playuh” their associating with really is until there either an accomplice or a victim of a serious crime . All the big cities should blanket Maine with the “Ten most wanted posters”.
i agree. worlds going to hell may as well protect yourself and family as long as you can.
I couldn’t have said it better. Gang or no gang everyone that wants to protect themselves should carry all the time.
On gangs, I am familiar with what motivates them and it is a market in which they can operate, they need to be able to blend in, intimidate, sell their product usually heroin, coke and meth, Guns, and be willing to live by getting locals that have residences to join.
If gangs do decide to occupy Bangor because we have become the methadone capital of the northeast, we have a ton of unemployed living off the state that have residences to live, we have a huge market of drug users thanks to allowing everyone and their brother the opportunity to jump off a greyhound and walk down the street and get a room and hot meal for nothing then it is time to get out of Bangor or fight to clean it up. We had better get to the issue early and send the message that Gangs will not be tolerated because once they are here it’s too late. Your children will be subject to serious threats for the rest of their lives.
I say lets draw a line in the sand and keep these gangs out. Be on the lookout for places that harbor gangs and work as fronts such as penobscot county job corp.. Gang bangers aren’t going to come to our city with a big sign on their head that says here I am, come get me. They will come and scope it out first.
Here’s a great article by Lance Tapley, “Gang Buster Bill Gets Dissed: Tattoos as a Criminal Act” — http://portland.thephoenix.com/news/133066-gang-buster-bill-gets-dissed/
Where’s Charles Bronson (Death Wish) when you need him?
“Mr. Kersey, Mr. Paul Kersey, please pick up a white courtesy telephone…”
If you want to find most of the gang members then look no further than the recent population influx to lewiston and portland…
And 100-150 years ago the influx of people from Italy and Irish were in gangs and engaged in criminal activities.
The problem’s not the nature of the population. The problem is crime. And a determining factor in crime is economic opportunity.
Your ability to determine right from wrong is your problem. Pointing to a group and saying “it’s them” is wrong. But you know that, or you should know that.
But: Looking “no further than the recent population influx to [L]ewiston and [P]ortland” is ignorant.
100 – 150 years ago…
things were much different back then. there was no safety nets, there were still jobs to be had.
This is 2012, there is no excuse for the sort of behavior that we’ve seen recently from immigrants coming to the u.s. and to Maine
Look up the list of recessions the country’s had. I’m betting you know only the one’s that have happened during your lifetime, plus the Great Depression, which we all know about.
The only thing “much different” 100-150 years ago was that the immigrants were mostly Caucasian. They were Christian, but it’d blow your socks off, plainly, to understand that Catholics were looked down upon by non-Catholics in country.
What you fail to understand, and fail repeatedly, despite the historical record that’s been presented to you by me and by others, is that immigration, specifically immigration by homogenous groups (Eastern European Jews, Polish, Germans, Irish, Italian, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Chinese, French Canadian) has followed a predictable, and tired, trajectory. Some points have been good, some points have been vile.
Your views about immigrants are vile. Your views are racist. In the past you’ve said you’re not a racist. Whatever. Your views are.
It’s not racist. I have african america friends that are some of the best men I know. They are fully integrated into society, they work, they are good people.
but then there’s the “thug” mentality that we see nowadays. There’s an entitlement mentality that we see everywhere. And yes much of it is whites, a larger majority is comprised of so-called minorities.
In ME the vast majority of people are Caucasian. Some Caucasians (not all) don’t feel like they’re doing anything wrong, they can’t figure out why they’re not living well, or whatever, and they look at people not like them, race being the most obviously different thing, and wham, it’s them. Minorities. That’s why their lives, their community, the state, have gone off-the-rails. Them. That’s where their toxic, evil energy is funneled.
That’s bad.
And no, I’m not trying to reduce it to a comment on the BDN. I don’t know why ME has the racists it does. I’d like to know. I like the state. The state’s supposed to be re-knowned for the latitude it gives for people to be whoever they are. Either that’s not true, and it’s more rigid in terms of what ME will accept and not accept, or the racists are outliers. I hope and I think it’s the second thing.
We have no problem with people of color or foreigners, we have a problem with lazyness and non-integration.
If you come to a new country, assimilate, learn the language, adopt the culture.
Many people coming here now hold onto their old cultures instead of integrating with americas.
for example, the fracturing of the community of portland.
now we have “portland” and then we have the “somali community” or the sudanese community of portland.
by doing this they are alienating themselves from integrating into the whole. are they not?
Good. You’re not a racist.
The views then:
Laziness: There’ve been a number of articles how industrious these new immigrants from Africa are. Some even took the city of Portland to court recently to protect their businesses and their ability to earn a living. Hardly backs your assertion these most recent immigrants are lazy.
Language learning: English language proficiency in this country is the essential tool for making a living in this country. I’ve already refuted the laziness argument. Being able to read, write and speak English is essential for these motivated people to survive here.
Integration: Every group integrates with this country’s culture and every group retains a part of the culture of its ancestors, from the home country/culture. Here:
http://italianheritagecenter.com/
http://holytrinityportland.org/festival.asp
http://www.francocenter.org/
http://www.maineirish.com/
http://www.mesom.org/
Some of these groups have weekend celebrations of their cultures. Some have entire building with exhibits telling the stories of their communities. Why would they be doing such things when we expect them to completely integrate with the larger culture? Have the Irish not become part of and added to this country? Franco-Americans? Italians? Greeks?
My argument, which I can back, because there’s a long, long. long history of experiences just like it in ME, is that the immigrants from Africa, and from Latin American too, are going to integrate with our community. They’re going to retain parts of their culture, like religion, art, language, which is great, they should, but they’re going to become a part of it.
Oh, and there have always been thugs, gangs, gangsters, criminals.
10 years ago it was relatively safe to walk around Lewiston and Portland freely.
Now you have to watch out where you walk because you’re taking the chance of being beaten, robbed, or worse.
It’s not because of the economy, although that has a small role to play in the overall statistics.
It is because of certain groups of people that came here, not to work, but to enjoy the welfare state of Maine.
To borrow a phrase: “It’s the economy, stupid.”
Your views are racist. When you try to say that “certain groups of people” are more predisposed to criminal activity you’re buying in to a racist stereotype people like you, possibly people you don’t think you agree with, have about people not like you. I mean, really.
If you’re not racist, and if it’s just your views we’re talking about, then do some homework yourself. Research some of the things said about Irish, Jewish, and Polish immigrants when these people came here.
Religion was government- for thousands of years. In Maine’s Irish, Italian, and French cities and towns- individuals often feared a knock on the door from their parish priest more than a visit from local law inforcement. We don’t have that any more do we? The definition of a bad guy is a little difefrent today.
Is the definition of “bad guy” confused as much by the glorified portrayals of people like (for example) Italian gangsters on TV and in the movies? I’m going to sound like an old fogey, which isn’t the intent, part of this is devil’s advocacy, but a strong part of the cultural messages we’re all getting right now is that we should be bad asses, right?
Now wait. According to the Bangor Police, at least there are no gangs in Bangor. I guess we are so lucky that they are not allowed to move up here. That’s what happens when you allow all those Mass—– to move in. We need a border patrol at the NH border.
From Augusta north they will be met with a much less tolerant attitude. A way higher percentage of us have a loaded gun; on,in, or beside our bedstands.
ON, IN ,and BESIDE
yep
honestly its just too cold for SOME of them…i don’t mind the motorcycle gangs its the OTHERS i’m more concerned about..
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Just more propaganda on behalf of the po-po. Must be close to budget time for ’em.
“po-po”…..your childish, immature definition of……..?
Perhaps a stoner ?
He could be that.
If you stepped out of your mother’s basement for more than five minutes a day you would realize it’s not propaganda.
The Deer population is down, but the Gang population is up? I think I found our solution for this hunting season?
Its should say Vacationland and Welfare State come on in all of you are welcome and sign up at your local city’s. Just move to Bangor Shawn will be more then glad to help you warrant his high paying job by getting you signed up.
It’s deja vu all over agian. This is just the modern version of prohibition violence. If we didn’t have prohibition we wouldn’t have gangs.
”
It’s deja vu all over agian”
been playing nazi zombies have we?
Interesting idea.
Maybe somebody with a finer understanding of the underground economy criminals set up will chime in.
I disagree. gang membership in New York City reached its apex in 1917 just before Uncle Sam rounded them all up and shipped them off to war. Interesting coincidence the 1890’s-early 1900’s was also the previous high point for entering immigrants.
Just look at the graffiti in Bangor, and the surrounding areas. This is one of the signs of gang activity. Under the overpasses on I-95, etc. Gangs in Maine do not fall into the normal range of attire, attitudes and stereotypes, remember they will exhibit some forms of local social cognition. The authorities need to define what are Maine gangs in conjunction with the overall definition throughout the country. It is also the responsibility of local members of the communities to report unusual activity in their neighborhoods. Gangs love to project an element of fear, control and solidarity among themselves in the neighborhoods.
The graffiti you see in Bangor is from kids that should be punished by their parents.. The feds are making money in Maine making a big deal out of nothing… We have gangs, but their not politically correct to target!
These are not the true gangs that you see in the inner city
Exactly, but their desire to give that impression makes them dangerous in a slightly different kind of way. Real gangs have “rules” of a sort, these idiot posers are too busy trying to impress, and that’s when the stupid stuff happens.
Yes they are. The ones currently in Bangor, no. The ones in Portland/Lewiston are here from New York and Boston. They are the true gangs.
Yes the gangs here are not your small time ones, but they’re not big city either.
most of the gangs I’ve heard about recently are the somali and sudanese gangs that have been roving around portland and lewiston.
Are you talking about the FBI crime family or the Hell’s Angels crime family?
Gosh Golly, the Hells Angels have been around since the 1950’s and American civilization
has not collapsed. But wait Maine 81 do you see the hacks Haskell and Cain lurking on this site?
I need to convey some important information to the voters and taxpayers of Maine.
You know the people who own the criminal justice system and are its primary consumers.
Did you know the FBI denied the existence of the Mafia from 1920 – 1955 ?
They did this for American Corporations otherwise known as persons, letting the Mafia
infiltrate and destroy unions while giving unions a bad name brand, eh?
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N3Vg5l-ITU
Some months ago, there was an article in BDN regarding the increase in grafitti and “tagging” in the Bangor area. The police chief was quoted in the article as saying “There are no gangs in Bangor”. My response was that the chief should get his head out of the sand before it is too late.
Others posted remarks to my comments that were similarly negative and stated that I did not know what I was talking about.
It would appear that I have been vindicated.
And for the nay sayers, if you are still non-believers, you will be soon.
Yo Reggie the Man, can we discuss this in a more civilized tone?
In the spring of 2001 we brought former LAPD Narcotics Detective Mike Ruppert
to speak at Bates College to discuss how Government agencies like the CIA and FBI
work with local law enforcement to
bring heroin and cocaine into Portland, Bangor, Lewiston and other Maine communities.
The gangs you talk about are deliberately created by flooding the community with drugs
which creates a unstable condition requiring the attention of
you guessed it, more cops. Sort of like firemen lighting fires to get more funding for the fire dept.
Something the moonbats in Augusta are more than happy to do given their political campaigns are
usually fear based.
Get with the times. DEA Supervisor Mike Levine has written about cops dealing drugs for the CIA extensively in his books including WHITE LIES.
By the way in 2010 a film was made about Mike Ruppert called COLLAPSE and film critic
Roger Ebert said it was the best of 2010. Google ebert ruppert collapse
Read Mike Ruppert’s essay here. see the date? http://www.copvcia.com/free/pandora/blacks-targeted.html
Blacks Were
Targeted for CIA Cocaine
By
Michael C. Ruppert
January
28, 1999
Michael C. Ruppert, former LAPD officer, and “noted conspiracy theorist”? That Michael C. Ruppert?
If you are putting your eggs in his basket of BS, then your tin foil hat is on way too tight.
And the movie you refer to, Collapse, has nothing to do with drugs or gangs, but with the oil supply.
Better get your facts straight before going off on your own conspiracy toot, and trying to convince others as to the reality we face.
You have lost all credibility here.
And it don’t get more civilized than that.
Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression
by David Martin
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring
down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based
defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these
techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a
mere token opposition party.
Wax indignant. This is also known as the “how dare you?” gambit.
Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild
rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to
learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.”
Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nut,”
“ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and of course, “rumor monger.” You must
then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you
have thus maligned.
Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or reporting a distraction.
Just so you understand my previous remark:
“You have lost all credibility here” as in you, msfreeh, and are no longer worthy of comment/response.
LOL
One can only hope you keep your word.
To see what Roger Ebert says about former narcotics cop Mike Ruppert
see link for full film review of COLLAPSE
Reggie the Man would have you believe the film COLLAPSE has nothing to do with Bangor cops
bringing heroin and cocaine into Bangor. LOL
The CIA has consistently laundered their drug money on Wall Street where there are no laws dealing with the purchase of stocks like the law banks have on deposits over $5,000.00
One of the reasons we saw the Collapse on Wall Street in 2008 was because a lot of the stocks were artificially propped up with CIA drug money. see link for video on youtube made by Mike Ruppert about this problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZNvSX3A7pc
Here is some of what what Roger Ebert said about COLLAPSE
Collapse
BY ROGER EBERT /
December 9, 2009
If this man is correct, then you may be reading the most important story in today’s paper.
I have no way of assuring you that the bleak version of the future outlined by Michael Ruppert in Chris Smith’s
“Collapse” is accurate. I can only tell you I have a pretty good
built-in B.S. detector, and its needle never bounced off zero while I
watched this film.
God knows a movie critic would have a built in bs detector. Mine goes off every time you post.
spoken like a true CIA party line spewer
You and msfreeh are obviously connected at the hip, or some other part of your anatomy, and as such are also on the no credibility/do not respond to again list.
From The Wilderness was a newsletter published from 1998 to 2006 by the media company From The Wilderness Publications. The newsletter covered political and governmental issues. It was published eleven times per year but featured weekly updates online. Critics such as David Corn[15] and Norman Solomon argued that Ruppert on occasion veered off into making unsubstantiated conspiracy theory claims. I can see why you are so into this MS.
Know David Corn – writer for the Nation – personally. He sent me
a thank you note after we invited him to speak at our 2nd Annual Conference
Investigating Crimes Committed by the FBI. Held at Bates College in 1990.
Don’t think much of David Corn these days see http://www.oilempire.us/the-nation.html
Ex Narc Detective Mike Ruppert obviously has problems with people
working in law enforcement bringing heroin and cocaine into Bangor with the
help of the CIA see the website of Mike Levine,eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_UbAmRGSYw
Just look at what Bangor cops did to Serpico the Cop when he blew the whistle
on cops dealing heroin and cocaine in Bangor. see http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6D8143FF937A15752C0A9669D8B63&ref=frankserpico
Oooops my mistake I meant New York City LOL
try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ruppert
I tend to go to his website here
http://www.collapsenet.com/
in the words of Maine artist Robert Shetterly
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/31/3521
And that pretty much discredits anything Michael C. Ruppert has to say, now or ever.
It would appear that some place way too much credibility in loons such as Ruppert.
There goes the ‘hood.
This problem wouldn’t exist if there were a frequently-used whipping post and an occasionally-used gallows in front of every county court-house, as was the case in the colonial era and into the early republic.
I agree. Prison has become a second home ot many people where they live much more comfortable than they do out in public. They are in many cases amongst friends there and have an opportunity to catch up on rest that they have not been able to get while out committing crimes. They also have a chance to put on a bit of weight after dropping 50 or 60 pounds on the bath salts-meth diet.
More like a graduate school for advanced criminal studies.
Speaking of Gangs, imagine what the FBI Crime family could do using a schedule of fear re-enforcement?
What we have here is the classic FBI Operant Conditioning Op using a fear based tactic that has no
grounding in reality.
But it works and that is why Boston FBI SAC Tricky Dick DeSauliers uses it.
You may remember the Boston FBI Office as the home of Murders R US
where over 10 FBI agents collaborated with Whitey Bulger and the Mafia in the taxpayer funded murders of 20 women and men. see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/whitey-bulger-fbi-rulling_n_1223860.html?ref=los-angeles&ir=Los%20Angeles
Harvard Professor B F Skinner developed this school of OPerant Psychology in the 1940’s
and he trained pigeons how to play ping pong using a re-enforcement schedule of rewards to achieve
the desired behaviour. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ctJqjlrHA
In psychology speak it is called Operant Conditioning, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGazyH6fQQ4
If the FBI Brand says something it must be true,eh? LOL
This is just my opinion.
Up to the age of twenty or perhaps twenty two people who have gang related criminal histories or are charged with crimes related to gangs should be given a shot to redeem themselves and live a lawful life. After that age people who are affiliated with gangs and become convicted or have ongoing criminal history due to gang activity should be put away for significant amounts of time. Sentence Enhancements should apply to crimes committed by gang members.
”
Up to the age of twenty or perhaps twenty two people who have gang related criminal histories or are charged with crimes related to gangs should be given a shot to redeem themselves ”
or just shot?
I am in a gang. A gang of one…me!
“I don’t see anything significant in Maine. I think law enforcement has to rationalize their budgets.”
Law enforcement is in the fear selling business. With “gangs” as code for poor non-whites, it’s an easy sell to the illiterate redneck sector.
oh woe is me! poor non-whites!
lol
get a grip
Given your equating gang activity with Somali refugees, I believe you to be the poster child for my thesis.
So do you think there’s no correlation between the two?
Also, before the “non-whites” came here there were more than a few “poor whites”
But we really didn’t hear of too many gangs then did we?
And it’s not like they came to Maine directly from somalia.
They came to Maine after living in Atlanta.
and since they came we are suddenly having a boom in crime and gang activity.
There is no “boom” in crime and gang activity.
‘Also, before the “non-whites” came here there were more than a few “poor whites”But we really didn’t hear of too many gangs then did we?’
You are terribly informed. Try the Italian and Irish mafia, for starters.
Are Gangs Here ? Duh….YES.
Are PPH news reporters just getting the memo on that piece of news?
The Old Port is a dangerous and unsafe place to be at night. It used to be a fun and enjoyable place to be but gangs lurk around after dark…..beat people up…leave them in a heap on the sidewalks or allyways and of course….steal their money. Performing this grotesque violence also gives these gang members entrance into more vicious, sadistic gangs in the bigger cities. It completes their entrance exams.
To any young people, native to Maine or Portland….when you are having a good time at any of the bars in the Old Port….these gang members are watching you….waiting for you to exit the bar….perhaps to go to a different bar….. if it’s up to these thugs who are involved in earning their stripes for entrance into larger, crueler gangs,,,they will follow you and attack you and leave you unconscious and stripped of your money. If you happen to die from your injuries, it’s irrelevent to these beasts and thugs.
It’s strange that it started becoming more of a trend since about 10 years ago…
I mean, it couldn’t possibly have anything to do with:
http://www.sunjournal.com/news/city/2011/12/18/struggle-and-progess-10-years-somalis-lewiston/1127846
They came to Portland too…
just sayin
Nosferatu?
Just one more reason to CCW
Boo! I’m scared
Ok, so now that we are aware of this issue taking shape in the state…let us hope the people who look out for our safety get in a take action against these undesirables right away. If one peace loving moron steps into try to give them support and sympathy, throw them in the same jail cell with them . This stuff is no joke and if you want your kid to become a worthless drug addict then portend there is no problem. These people are like coyotes stalking your chickens, that is how vulnerable your kids are.
Great more laws. When will those in the legislature get that laws do not nor have they ever effected CRIMINALS. If they did we would not have any crime would we!!! As other posts point out a carry permit and a firearm to defend yourself is a great idea.
Roger that Big Guy, the only thing I would add is we create volunteer
civilian police review boards with subpoena power to investigate
crime in our criminal justice system.
The board turns over every three years giving a heterogeneous grouping
to its makeup while bringing in fresh vision to meet the safety needs of the community.
If you are going to take lead on this “civilian review board’, I am in. You always make so much sense. Kidding of course. Actually, I would make sure that all citizens on the board had a job, a home, an automobile and polygraph exam. I would make sure the only drug they ever “experimented” with is marijuana. I would make sure that they actually paid taxes in the community they lived in. I would make sure that they never worked as an advocate or social worker. A full background check would need to be done and those with any criminal (non traffic) convictions would be banned from serving. I would also make sure if YOU fit all these criteria, more criteria would need to added until you no longer qualified. There is no question in my mind that you have an agenda and it stems from something that happened in your background. Possibly too much time in mom’s basement surfing the Internet trying to find words like heterogeneous and using them in sentences to give us the illusion that you are more intelligent than you are. Find a job, infest a park or demand more free stuff for the voluntarily useless. You are one strange agent.
Thanks for the support tissues.
I passed your ideas on to cities currently operating with a civilian police review board
who had never entertained your ideas when they created civilian control of the police.
In fact there will be a hearing in Portland about the issues you raised. see
Jan. 26 6-8PM: Community Public Forum on Police Accountability
January 26, 2012
http://occupyportland.org/2012/01/26/jan-26-6-8pm-community-public-forum-on-police-accountability/#comment-3428
I am also including a new screening tool that the Bangor City Council might want to use
for screening out serial killers seeking to work for the Bangor Police. see below
I am sure you appreciate the fact this forum is a heterogeneous group of people
while the Bangor Police Department is a homogeneous grouping.
for the uneducated and the uneducable
high school dropout can’t find work so he joins the Marines to Semper Fi
and collect some money.
High school dropout is sent to Paris Island to be all he can be. He is trained to kill women and children and a occasional freedom fighter trying to protect his wife from being raped by Mr Semper Fi.
High school dropout ships out to invade Iraq for USEmpire and US oil companies.
American oil companies are struggling with the problem of Peak Oil.
Peak oil means we no longer have a infinite supply of oil.Maybe you saw the documentary film END OF SUBURBIA see
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/previews.htm
high school drop out didn’t because his high school teachers were too busy DUMBING him down
see
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/dumbdnblum1.htm
High School dropout manages to kill a couple hundred women and children while throwing in a occasional rape. Mr Sempi Fi has now been transformed into Mr serial killer.
Mr high school dropout/serial killer now begins to experience extreme depression from his actions. Mental Wealth workers call it Post Traumatic
Stress Syndrome. But the only people who experience traumatic stress in Iraq are the Iraqi women being raped by Semper Fi’s before they shot and killed them.
Good thing serial killer/high school dropout has never read the research
of Ian Stevenson MD whose groundbreaking study of 3,000 children who remember previous lives provides the science for the existence of reincarnation. see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1542356/Professor-Ian-Stevenson.html
What this means for high school dropout is that he will be coming back
again for another life . Of course so will the people he murdered , so for practical purposes he has another couple hundred lives he has to live getting “wacked” by the life forms he semper fi’d.
The difference this time is the raped and murdered have had some time to ponder while they wait for him to pass over, how they will “do” Mr Semper Fi- the high school drop out serial killer.
Mr high school dropout comes back from Iraq out of work unless he re-enlists. There are not to many job openings for serial killers until he lands a job working with his be all you can be buddies at the Bangor police department or the FBI.
Oh there it is. The apex of your ignorance.
When dealing with loons like ms, remember “There are many out there with the “gift” of criticism. As loud and discouraging as they might be, they do not count.”
thanks Reggie. Best endorsement I had all day.
Frack you, you know nothing of Semper Fi. If I could you’d have soap in your mouth for even thinking Semper Fi.
What the frack, are we on a episode of Batttlestar Gallatica?
Suspect in O.C. killings of homeless men is an Iraq war veteran
Former Marine Itzcoatl Ocampo, 23, of Yorba Linda appeared deeply troubled when he returned home and for a year had been telling relatives that he was seeing and hearing things, an uncle says.
By Nicole Santa Cruz and Alan Zarembo, Times Staff Writers
January 14, 2012, 9:16 p.m.
A 23-year-old former Marine who some say was distraught after combat service in Iraq has been named a suspect in the serial killings of four homeless men in Orange County.
U.S. troops need better training on laws of war (LOL)
By Carol J. Williams, Los Angeles Times
see link for full story
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-haditha-20120115,0,3240952.story
January 14, 2012, 10:46 p.m.
The court-martial of Marine Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich at Camp Pendleton for his role in two dozen civilian deaths in the Iraqi village of Haditha.
You know nothing of Semper Fi.
Brother have you got this loon pegged!
I’m in no way endorsing this guy’s assertions, but your’s is an ad hominem attack, and thusly, uninformed and lacking in credibility. Your “debate” style is strictly *small-time*.
Absolutely. I agree with you Passadumkeagah. Definitely an ad hominem attack. It’s called sarcasm and meant to lighten up what Msfreeh has decided (yet again) needs to be a debate about how the entire government is out to build up the drug trade by planting gang members and thus forcing more police to be hired, or how the Marine Corp is training serial killers and rapists to come back and ravage our country after being sent off to war. His continuing support for the “occupy” movement tells me what I need to know to make an informed decision. If you are not supporting his assertions, then tell him that. Its a board where people post opinions and comments. I made a comment or “ad hominem attack” because I wanted to. I cannot argue with Msfreeh because he does seem to believe in what he says. I just made fun of his assertions and took the liberty to add “picture” using words to help people “see” what I see when I read his posts. Are these pictures real? No. I appreciate your right to tell me I am “small time” for doing this. Your reference of *small time* was also an ad hominem attack. Thusly, you have ridiculed something that you have deemed acceptable for you to do. Additionally, my credibility is no more lacking than yours is. Its an Internet comment section, thats all. When I use your name to “picture” you, I see exactly what you wanted people to see when you selected your user name. It probably seemed “funny” when you selected it but you forgot that the word “dum” and the word “keg” just jump out at you. Adhominem-ah…would have been funnier.
I’m pretty sure what you just did there (and seem to do in many of your posts) – is mildly bloviate, so I’ll stand by my “small time” assessment of your “debate style”
If this guy is nothing more than a “loon”, then he should simply be ignored. However, if you disagree with his assertions, then the only intelligent response would be to respond to them *intellectually* – rather than calling him names. That’s where I puled out the “Ad hominen” reference – you dismissed him not based on anything specific, but him as a whole.
Your posts aren’t lacking in indications of intelligence, and aside from your character assassiniations, I’m actually interested in what your opinions are on specifics (especially on *his* assertions). If you two are polar opposites, I’d enjoy hearing the two divergent viewpoints. Maybe I’d learn something, and maybe so would everyone else who reads. It’s all about ideas and beliefs.
At least that’s what I assume it’s what this is all about (and not name-calling)
Passadumkeag is a town in Maine – which is where my “name” comes from.
I know what and where Passadumkeag is. I’ve been there. Not with MSfreeh however. There is no rational argument that counters the assertions and video links that msfreeh promotes. To argue with someone that passionate about a cause is useless. His/her posts are somewhat indicitive of someone with nothing else to do but fixate on one or two things and then relate those fixations to every story in the BDN. If I were to just argue that I disagree with msf, where would the enjoyment be? I agree with the informed individuals quoted in the article. Gangs are here in Maine. They won’t be going away. That is commenting on the article. Msf is not. Telling us the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are building empires using gang members and ex-marines is ridiculous and are points that are borderline insane, in my opinion. How does one confront someone about their opinion about gangs in Maine when that person posts links to stories of FBI agents masturbating in bathrooms? There is nothing relating to the story in most of his/her posts. Its a rant. Additionally I don’t need you to decide that how I respond is inappropriate even though you have “deemed” me to be intelligent enough to do so. I actually have read msf’s stuff for awhile and enjoy sparring with him/her. I have read the links and watched some clips. Interesting yet insanely not connected to gangs in Maine. I don’t particularly believe the government wants to help either. I would rather they pare down their innumerable non-constitutionally supported police agencies. I don’t believe that they support masturbating FBI agents and serial killing ex-warriors. I also don’t believe that gangs are being backed up by the government and planted in Passadunkeag. I did see some
Crips in Olamon but figure they were stopping for snacks and gas. Probably
headed to your house to meet with government officials to cut off Internet
access to the Millinocket region. They might be planning on using the
golden road to run occupiers tents and equipment to Baxter so they can
justify a swat team on Katahdin.
On Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM, “Disqus”
I’m pretty sure what you just did there (and seem to do in many of your posts) – is mildly bloviate, so I’ll stand by my “small time” assessment of your “debate style”
If this guy is nothing more than a “loon”, then he should simply be ignored. However, if you disagree with his assertions, then the only intelligent response would be to respond to them *intellectually* – rather than calling him names. That’s where I puled out the “Ad hominen” reference – you dismissed him not based on anything specific, but him as a whole.
Your posts aren’t lacking in indications of intelligence, and aside from your character assassiniations, I’m actually interested in what your opinions are on specifics (especially on *his* assertions). If you two are polar opposites, I’d enjoy hearing the two divergent viewpoints. Maybe I’d learn something, and maybe so would everyone else who reads. It’s all about ideas and beliefs.
At least that’s what I assume it’s what this is all about (and not name-calling)
Passadumkeag is a town in Maine – which is where my “name” comes from.
Unions are gangs. The mafia is a gang. Hells angels. The james gang was a gang of musicians who rocked. Is there no end to these gangs?
When Portland lost Chitwood and hired “what’s-his-name” from LA, Portland’s finest lost the leadership that kept the gang activity at a minimum. What a difference that made! Chitwood was a 24 hour dedicated policeman who did everything in his power to keep Portland safe. He got little help from the State and often took them to task for not passing legislation he believed was needed. Well, now the cat is out of the bag. It’s all downhill from here….move out to the country folks!
Harry, want to view some pornography that is not sexual?
http://www.copwatch.net has a forum where they catalog police who are arrested
for using and selling heroin and cocaine.The list is over 200 pages long
and you can view this partial list by registering for free at the website.
This is definitely not the Maine I grew up in. As a kid, I remember that there was maybe a murder a year. It was big time news. Now, it’s fairly common place. The times, they are a-changing.
I don’t know when you were a kid, but looking at the Uniform Crime Reports from 1960-2010 shows the average yearly murder rate as 15-25 with a low of 4 in 1967 and a high of 55 in 1972. It wasn’t any safer then, the news just didn’t report on it. This is a form of confirmation bias where you believe things occur more frequently because you hear about it more often, but it doesn’t actually work that way.
LOL
down here on the Whisper Stream we call it the FBI Uniform Crap Report
In the 70’s and early 80’s. I’m sure you’re right. It seemed that way because we didn’t hear about it as much.
Yea I remember those good old days, with the lynchings, Kent State, President Kennedy
assassination, Martin Luther King assassination, Bobby Kennedy assassination,
the Cuyohoga River catching fire in Ohio from being saturated with toxic pollutants.
no I think it was those Iran Contra Scandals, wait was it the BCCI Banking Scandals?
Surely not the 1993 1st World Trade Center bombing or the Oklahoma City bombing?
LOL
Watch the new documentary A NOBLE LIE
—-and that relates to what ConMeGuy said—how?
the dolts again attempt a crisis to take away rights – police state keep voting these people in
Scare the sheeple enough and they’ll throw money at any problem…
not to worry if they come to bangor sherriff ross will tell them when to hide or run.. hell maybe he will join up with them… both sides are as corrupt as it gets
not to worry if they come to bangor sherriff ross will tell them when to hide or run.. hell maybe he will join up with them… both sides are as corrupt as it gets
If more folks took responsibility for themselves and were armed ,not only would we need less of these foolish laws we would need less police.The state of maine has the highest per capita police to citizen ratio in the country.If a fella gets past the dogs he/she wont like the prize.Two in the chest one in the cap.Thanks for playing.
You could say the same thing if there NO guns and nobody would have to be armed. Might even be easier.
but no where near as much fun.thanks for your thoughts.
most people dont know, many of the inner cities of massachusetts and connecticut “use to be redneck” communities
what happen was the third world gangbangers moved in
rednecks, who are only tough guys in their own minds, moved out
third world gang bangers culture is more dominating than rednecks
In Belfast we have a small coalition of what we call whiggers, they are somewhat harmeless but they do commit crimes. I am very well armed at home so I am not scared but others are afraid.
Down here in the whisper stream we have this crime family called the FBI who carry Glocks and
tend to prey on taxpayers by creating terror.
Here are some of their mug shots
FBI Agent Pleads Guilty to Child Abuse
Tuesday February 17, 2004 11:46 PM
By JOHN SOLOMON
https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1077052156
WASHINGTON (AP) – The former chief internal watchdog at the FBI has pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 6-year-old girl and has admitted he had a history of molesting other children before he joined the bureau for what became a two-decade career.
John H. Conditt Jr., 53, who retired in 2001, was sentenced last week to 12 years in prison in Tarrant County court in Fort Worth, Texas, after he admitted he molested the daughter of two FBI agents after he retired. He acknowledged molesting at least two other girls before he began his law enforcement career, his lawyer said.
February 22, 2007
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/022007/02232007/262383
SPOTSYLVANIA, Va. A F.B.I. analyst has been sentenced to seven years in prison for having sex with a young girl in Spotsylvania County.
Forty-four-year-old Anthony John Lesko entered an Alford plea yesterday in Spotsylvania County Circuit Court to nine counts of felony indecent liberties upon a child. An Alford plea means Lesko doesn’t admit guilt but believes there is enough evidence for a conviction.
Authorities say Lesko engaged in a sex act with her nine times, beginning when she was nine years old.
According to the plea, Lesko said he was a victim in the case. He said the girl initiated the contact.
FBI Agent Accused Of Masturbating In Public
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/12/ex-fbi_agent_sentenced_to_pris.html
May 25, 2007 09:02 PM
FBI Agent Accused Of Masturbating In Public
Posted by, Marissa Pasquet KOLD News 13 News Editor
FBI Special Agent Ryan Seese, 34, is facing sex offense charges after a cleaning woman said she found him masturbating in a women’s lavatory on campus, according to a University of Arizona police spokesman.
Well done.
The Orono gangs use BB guns ;)
Welcome to Liberalism.
With almost 29 years work in the Maine Dept. of Corrections, I can tell you gangs are here and have been for a long time, Folks, Get the training, buy the weapon and carry it, the old Mane is no longer! Don’t just sit back and watch, you will find yourself in troube, these gang members don’t care who they hurt or kill!
Oh how right you are! None are so blind as those who cannot see.
is this riff “the revolving door” raft who milked Maine taxpayers for 29 years in a taxpayer funded
workfare program called a Maine State employee; where our tax dime was used by you to create more vicious and competent criminals at the electronic cesspool called the Maine State Prison that unleashed this toxin back into the Bangor community
to rape and plunder again and again and again?
Wait a minute riff I apologize
I didn’t know you were talking about Bank of America and Goldman Sachs
Well yes, I baby sat your friends and family and ya, I did release these dregs into your home town, ya thats me! and thanks for letting me milk the “workfare system” for almost 29 years. ……………….boy talk about issues!
Thugs are already here. Just read the Police Reports. How about we keep them in jail a little longer the we do?
We had this discussion in here about a year ago. The Bangor Police Chief at that time stated that our area does not have a gang problem. As I predicted another four years (back then I said five) of sitting back will open their eyes. I think some gangs even have medical and dental plans ; )
I would like to know where they get there statistics from. Did gangs in Portland disappear for a few years, because there was supposedly the same issue in the 1990s and gangs developing or increasing in the area?
Why don’t they consider laws that are the cause to gangs rather than their affects?
As stated gangs are usually associated with larger cities. What do larger cities have in common? More people. How many representatives, or how many people does a representative represent? Congress put a limit on the house, because of fear of reaching a Peter Principle. The ability to rise to the level of competency or above competency, but instead of limiting representatives to 10,000 people they now represent hundreds of thousands to millions of people. Are we sure the representatives are not hitting the Peter Principle?
Are gangs an outcry for representation? If you want something done right do it yourself attitude? Government won’t take care of me, friends, family will?
How do you curb gangs? Keep representation at smaller levels, less people per representative? Maybe all cities should be smaller?
Interesting points. TY
The best way to reduce gang activity is to keep public education strong and decrease child abuse.
Maine celebrates “diversity”!
“There’s tons of money to make,” Berry said. “It was a huge untapped
market. They found a niche with people up this way. The biggest reason
is profit. Drugs sell for four to 10 times as much here as they do in
Boston. People travel a ways to come up here to sell drugs.”
Well, gang pundits have denied that there is major gang presence in Maine. Now, after the above published statement, they will certainly come now if they haven’t already.
Thanks Eric Berry, president of the Maine Gang Task Force, for pointing this out.
Law Enforcement usually knows who the gang members are, but our laws make it next to impossible to prosecute them. Instead, the public is in constant fear and danger from these thugs.
It’s way past time to take a stand. Is it more important to protect the rights of violent, dangerous gang bangers or the rights of the innocent law abiding citizens? We have to make a choice. Obviously we can’t do both.
Law enforcement encourages us not to take the law into our own hands, but it has become increasing evident that it might be our only hope. Their hands are tied; ours are not.
i represent the southside monson crips….
the bangor lolipop guild too
It is the system that has allowed these violent gangs to form and run the streets reeking havoc. Anyone who becomes a member of a violent gang should automatically loose “all” rights under the law! They should be dealt with using extreme measures to protect the decent citizen who has every right to walk the streets, raise there families and enjoy life without fear of being beaten, robbed, raped or killed by these animals. If you put them in prison, we have to support them and they run the prisons anyway so even though I am not a violent person by nature, I say get rid of them as they serve no useful purpose in life!
There is not enough prison space to put all gangs in prison
This just floors me….. why would they ever put something like that in the paper??? ‘Yeah, that looks cool — the flashy cars and everything.’ When you have that much profit involved, you can’t convince a kid to work at McDonald’s for $8.50 an hour when they could make thousands a week selling crack.” Of course the kids that read that are going to start thinking about it and decide thats much better than working at McDonalds! Get your guns out Maine we are going to need them if they keep printing stuff like that!
So you are saying the before this was put in the paper that kids did not know that there are gags out there ?
I didn’t say anything about the gangs. I quoted the part about making thousands of dollars a week selling drugs. Maybe you ought to read my post again, and learn learn how to spell while your at it.
Gangs are the ones sell drugs .
The Woodbooger Gang coming to a town near you.
Does this mean that the Republicans and Democrats are not the only gangs working us over?
this statement is a lie..I am guessing the writer doesnt live in maine? “Coincidentally, Maine’s reputation for peaceful streets and residents who mind their own business” where are these streets and where are the people here who “mind their own business” ha
There are parts of this subject to be much more worried about than the hype concerning “gangs.” See this report by Lance Tapley: “Gang buster bill get dissed: Tattoos as a Criminal Act” http://portland.thephoenix.com/news/133066-gang-buster-bill-gets-dissed/
Many Mainers own firearms precisely because of predators like this in our society. Those who say “it can’t happen here” obviously haven’t been reading about the rise in armed home invasions, murder, and burglaries in Maine (often of elderly reasons seeking prescription medication). Watch and protect yourself and your family. The police are here to protect the public safety at large – it’s not their job to save you individually at 3am when someone kicks in the door. Law enforcement do a great job – but they aren’t here to babysit your family if you choose to make yourself a target. With that, don’t associate with dirtbags who do drugs or have a record. That’s an open invitation for problems.
You will read tons of comments generated by this article about gang activity and the increase in crime as Maine is being flooded with drugs, but no realistic solutions to deal with and put a stop to it. Maine is a beautiful state that does not have a handle on how to deal with and halt this degradation.The public needs to demand immidiate action to protect itself and its young people. Law enforcement , the courts , and elected officials at all levels must work together to eradicate the criminal cancer killing this state!
Once a gang is in there is no way you will ever get rid of it other cities have tried you may slow it down for a bit but it comes right back. I watch a program on tv called gang land an all police all over the United States say the same thing even the FBI can’t get rid of them either.
You just have to put them out of business so they can’t make money by just hanging around selling drugs. We need to end prohibition and register all drug selling businesses. Once it’s regulated they will have to pay taxes and act responsibly like any other business.
Not exactly true. Newark New Jersey and parts of New York City have virtually no gang activity. Both New York and Newark are excellent studies on the way to limit/remove gangs.
Not a job for sob sisters or the faint of heart.
I did a search for gangs in NYC an that are over 50 diffrent ones in NYC
I said “virtually no”. Check out the number of gangs in the Nation’s second largest city. Also fifty gangs with ten members each = 500 in a city with over 9 million people.
From The Wall Street Journal: “Since 2005 New York City has had the lowest crime rate among the 25 largest U.S. cities,” If there are gangs they must be fairly laid back.
There are more than ten members in the gangs there. There are about 20,000 gang members in NYC an i got this from a search this is according to the National Gang Intelligence Center
You have to be real careful about who on the internet you choose to believe. I would suggest that the “National Gang Intelligence Center” gets their funding based on a problem, so it would behoove them to have high numbers. Also they must be very new, or very small. When I was a member of the New York City C.R.B. in the 1980’s I never heard their name mentioned. BUT even with 20,000 Gang members that means there are twice as many sworn police officers as there are gang members (About 40,000 sworn officers according to The New York P.B.A.)In any case, gangs (as was my original point) are not a large problem in New York.
This information was released by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand So i would say this information should be good
I agree with most of your comment but I would also include we the people need to take responsibility for our own protection. That includes get some training, get a CCW permit, and a firearm. Also keep a 12 guage in your home and know how to use it. We also need to elect officials who will appoint judges who will impose sentences that fit the crime commited and not feel obligated to use the word “SUSPENDED”.
Like it or not, ‘fair’ or not, there seems to be a HUGE correlation between illegal aliens and sustained gang activity. We have virtually no controls on our borders, and thousands of illegals pour into the country every day. It seems to me that Step One should be to secure the borders and go after the illegals. If the safety of the public is SO important that the TSA needs to feel us up and grope our children, how is it that the borders are virtually ignored? Up to 80% of the members of the infamous California gangs are illegals. We have so many illegals entering the country in such numbers that they don’t ever need to learn the language or assimilate. They can stay forever in their separate immigrant communities and they are PRIME material for gang recruiters.
What is wrong with people? These gangs have been in the Portland, Westbrook, Biddeford areas for years, and you are just now figuring it out! Wake up. More and more people are, and should, take steps to protect themselves from these thugs. They don’t work because they make their money off other people by extortion and stealing. They certainly aren’t scared of law enforcement, since it’s taken them this long to figure out they are here.
I say we round all these little brats up, put them on a bus and ditch them in the middle of Harlem.
Harlem is a fairly crime-free (and gang free) community. I always found the people their to be family oriented, and industrious. On 126th Street there is a place called “Harlem Fried Chicken” where I went every Friday to get my take out. My opinion is that it is the best fried chicken in the world.
New York has relatively few gangs…. Maybe you were thinking of South Central or East L.A.
Prison is the worst place to put this scum. When they get out they are worse then ever. These excuses for human beings are no different than rabid animals. Our courts and laws treat them as regular citizens. They are sociopaths, making their living off the misery and death of truly good citizens. The courts and laws protect them. Therefore we must protect ourselves.
I say we need to clean up all gangs in our country and we could if we werent so busy fighting all over the world that it seems like the United States is suppost to do it always . I say it starts at home , if we cant clean our cities of these gangs then we shouldnt be over there fighting there wars .
Guess the “bath salts” panic must be dying down. Need to justify those Public Safety budgets somehow!
Portland Problem.
Deport Illegal Criminal Aliens and you eliminate the gang problem. Most of these Gang Bangers are Illegal Aliens.
I take with a grain of salt any story about gangs and drugs which fails to mention Lawrence Massachusetts and the role of that city’s dishonest denizens. For over 30 years now most of the drugs and thugs in Northern New England come from or through Lawrence.
There is a cost to relegating a town to poverty by outsourcing its industry, marginalizing its citizens and then allowing it to turn from a friendly livable community to a drug-infested slum. People of all political stripes from Ted Kennedy to Mitt Romney allowed this to happen in their backyard without lifting a finger to stop it.
There is an easy way to greatly limit the drug trade in the USA IF that was truly the intention. Simply make the transport of currency in excess of $2,000 illegal without a business transport license. Another helpful act would be to seal the Mexican border. We are not moving in that direction, instead we now allow Mexican trucks to enter this country with only minimal screening. We’ve got as many as 20 million people in this country who have no legal right to be here. Do you believe they are all working for Hormel?
The truth is that the government accepts the drug trade in the USA, because it is easier to control people who are stoned.
Off to the slaughterhouse with the sheep… I sure won’t cry about it…..Although I do feel bad for the next generation.
Anyone care to hear the un-pc, unspoken truth about the influx of gangsters into Maine?
It is the direct result of what the libs like to call the celebration of diversity. These OOS punks are uniformly minorities and usually urban blacks. The “true Somali bloods” aren’t native by definition. But the real distinction is not one of the obvious racial differences. It is one of Culture, or the lack thereof.
These predators come from a “culture” where the only values taught are self indulgence and victimization. Parents never marry, desert their children for their own hedonistic interests (usually drugs) and live off the public both by formal programs that allow them not to work and by taking from those that do, or those that don’t but are vulnerable to intimidation and violence.
The real problem here is not race, it is the urban culture of “selfism” that has developed concurrent with the welfare state and its child; the under class of unemployable, uneducated, irresponsible entitleists.
The solution is to eliminate the culture’s incubator; the present entitlement programs and mentality that suckles them.
Now a await the inevitable personal attacks, starting with “racist”, that the libs will use as their only response. Have at it, the reality won’t change.
What changed me from a mild liberal to a mild conservative was the view that every culture other than ours is sacred and deserving of protection. It is not an coincidence that more homogenous societies have less crime.
When the Lutherans moved Somalis into Lewiston, where people were already struggling, they lit a match. When diverse immigrant cultures in Portland were set in competition for that city’s limited stock of cheap housing a fire began to burn.
I suggest that if a religious group or anyone else wishes to bring people into the USA, that they be responsible for them for the first ten years they are here. Bringing in people who fill the welfare roles, and use an inordinate amount of government services is not charity but theft from folks who pay taxes but might not agree with this “social engineering.”…. AND…Please tell me why the phrase “I’m a proud black African-American” is an affirmation while “I’m a proud white Yankee” is a racist rant.
We have many people in this state who are either unemployed, or under employed. Lewiston is hemorrhaging jobs and afluent citizens, why would anyone think it was “humane’ to bring in dirt-poor Muslim foreigners?
Reefer madness all over again. What will all these people do when pot prices in Maine are the same as pot prices in Columbia. The police will not have all those criminals to put in jail. OH! thats right we are developing a problem around designer drugs. One person died in Bangor just last week.
I read some comments and this story immediately goes to the pro/anti gun discussion. Too bad because that isn’t really the issue. The issue is criminal activity.
First gangs should be categorized as a threat to our national security. Since it is not legal to deploy the military against our own citizens domestically we should consolidate the FBI, ATF, DEA as a sort of army that, in addition to their normal duties, is charged with the elimination of criminal gangs. Hire another 100,000 agents and then reclaim our country city by city, town by town. Build a bunch of prisons in states that need jobs and put these people away until they die. Perhaps we should abrogate some rights given to non-gang criminals so they don’t tie up our courts.
You would half to put over 60,000 gang members in prison an even than there are people that will take there place so you will never end it an people will not spend money on prisons. Over 1 trillion dollars has been spent on the war on drugs an they still cant stop it
Maine “Gangsta” = Short stalky white boys with tattoos that they don’t know how to pronounce or what the meaning of them are, sideways ball caps with the tag still on it, shoes two sizes too big unlaced and baggy jeans worn down past their butts. I dare them to take a walk through a South Central LA Street and say they’re Gangsters.
You will never keep the Gangs out of Maine….! Entrepreneurial Spirts here to Stay I am afraid. Get use to it or do something about it. It bottles down to $$$$$. People can speak out but if the “gangs” invest more money back into the community then Welfare recipients do what makes more sense. Gangs do not have to be violent nor deal drugs to be a “gang” Maine needs to do better finding jobs for Teens or I am afraid this is just the Iceberg. Making $8.50 an Hour or $2,000 per day? Not rocket Science. And for jail time LOL it is daycare , plus you get more inside then outside…. Kinda a refresher… As with Portland and Lewiston, they are not somewhere that will be free of Gangs, And I am afraid Race Gangs will take over Drug Gangs sooner then later.
My overall attitude is Clubs Gangs and Chapters are not all bad. Business minded people who have made poor choices , some not ever changing, but needing guidance that we sorely are missing.
While I can see the appeal of projecting a macho self-image, I think a lot of posters forget that real gang members are not run-of-the-mill thieves who break into your house and, even if they are carrying a gun, probably have never shot anyone or been threatened by a gun before. If you encounter a gang member and threaten them with a gun, or try to pull a gun when they threaten you, you’re likely going to die. Most of them have been in situations like that before, some many times; you haven’t. But hey, at least you’ll die like a (greenhorn) cowboy; that’ll be some comfort, I guess.
see link for full story
Gang Bill Looses supporters
http://portland.thephoenix.com/news/133066-gang-buster-bill-gets-dissed/
January 25, 2012
A controversial legislative proposal developed
by a secretive police group would send an individual to prison for up
to 40 years if he or she is convicted of asking someone to join a
criminal street gang. The “gang” could have as few as three members.
The
bill, LD 1707, will have a public hearing on Friday, January 27, before
the legislative Criminal Justice Committee. Faced with mounting
criticism, its proponents have begun backtracking on some provisions.
Mr Alonzo makes sense. If you can keep fear in the sheep they’ll keep justifying your job and budget. Just like Homeland Security. It’s a big CON.
weez bee da welfare state yo Quimby for prezzz B
Disappointed the Open for Business sign was not used in the above example.
Yup. That too.
What if everyone who smoked suddenly stopped and the state lost all that tax revenue? This state would fold up like an accordian.
In the old days there were Vigilante’s that took care of, want to be gangs, drug dealers and so forth.. and it didn’t cost a dime.. Now days they won’t let neighborhood Dads/fathers clean up these messes, because it cuts into their income revenue stream…. How hard would it be to clean this up if parents got involved.. a couple of months and it would be all gone… Yet millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent just to tell us that there is a problem… Banishment from Maine would solve alot of problems with repeat offenders.
if they tried that today those vigilante’s would be dead with in days an there familes it would be an all out war. Try watching a program on tv called gangland it come on every friday
So you are saying we all have to live with gangs killing people and do nothing about it.. Don’t worry folks as a couple lay in a pool of blood an all the were doing was going shopping,, It’s just a gang killing and nothing can or should be done about it..
NO this isn’t how it is going to be.. Deputize all Maine hunters and people with carry permits and they won’t stay in Maine long… Your suggesting nothing could be done about them getting a foothold and setting up in Maine… Why are they being protected??? The police ought to have a shot on sight order for gang, simialar to Iraq some innocents will be killed.. As for the show I don’t spend money on cable…
What ever you are on you better get off from it you just can’t shoot people because you think they are in a gang. than you do not know what you are talking about if you do not watch that show . Like i said if big citys can get rid of them what makes you think that the vigilante’s cant get rid of them . You know that the vigilante’s have kill inconesent people in the past what makes you think that they will not kill incosent people now ? Thats why we have courts so people like you do not take the law into there own hands
New hunting season north of Waterville, Open season on all Gang bangers, we’ll send you back home the hard way!.
this is a joke
So sad to read of such things in my home state….
-Brit
http://vivaciousvibe.blogspot.com
Media sensationalizing only makes it worse. Funneling money into self-perpetuating police solutions and vigilante chest-thumping is a great way to keep gangs going. Promoting alternatives for youngsters, preventing domestic vioence and child abuse and supporting public education is more constructive. Posting more valueless veiled racist tough guy rants on marksmanship is flat out dumb.
Just clean up the mess!!! We don’t need studies to figure out they are bad people… Are gangs the only ones ALLOWED to bully and shoot people.. The Police should be allowed to end gang members careers upon seeing their gang colors… People are so scared of being PC that they can’t solve anything.. Heck Obama and company sold the gangs all their guns.
Time makes more converts than reason. — Thomas Paine
Now, you can be part of the solution or part of the problem. Don’t re-elect anyone who is part of the problem.