WASHINGTON — “Follow the money.” As a young journalist on the political left, I often heeded this well-worn advice. If conservatives were denying the science of global warming, I figured, big fossil-fuel companies must be behind it. After all, that was the story with the tobacco industry and the dangers of smoking. Why not here?
And so I covered the attacks on the established scientific knowledge on climate change, evolution and many more issues as a kind of search for the wealthy bad guys behind the curtain. Like many in Washington, I tended to assume that political differences are either about contrasting philosophies or, if we’re more cynical, about money and special interests.
There’s just one problem: Mounting scientific evidence suggests that this is a pretty limited way of understanding what divides us. And at a time of unprecedented polarization in America, we need a more convincing explanation for the staggering irrationality of our politics. Especially since we’re now split not just over what we ought to do politically but also over what we consider to be true.
Liberals and conservatives have access to the same information, yet they hold wildly incompatible views on issues ranging from global warming to whether the president was born in the United States to whether his stimulus package created any jobs. But it’s not just that: Partisanship creates stunning intellectual contortions and inconsistencies. Republicans today can denounce a health-care reform plan that’s pretty similar to one passed in Massachusetts by a Republican — and the only apparent reason is that this one came from a Democrat.
None of these things make sense — unless you view them through the lens of political psychology. There’s now a large body of evidence showing that those who opt for the political left and those who opt for the political right tend to process information in divergent ways and to differ on any number of psychological traits.
Perhaps most important, liberals consistently score higher on a personality measure called “openness to experience,” one of the “Big Five” personality traits, which are easily assessed through standard questionnaires. This means liberals tend to be the kind of people who want to try new things, including new music, books, restaurants and vacation spots — and new ideas.
“Open people everywhere tend to have more liberal values,” said psychologist Robert McCrae, who conducted voluminous studies on personality while at the National Institute on Aging at the National Institutes of Health.
Conservatives, in contrast, tend to be less open — less exploratory, less in need of change — and more “conscientious,” a trait that indicates they appreciate order and structure in their lives. This gels nicely with the standard definition of conservatism as resistance to change — in the famous words of William F. Buckley Jr., a desire to stand “athwart history, yelling ‘Stop!’ ”
I call myself a liberal, so this description of openness resonates with me. But I think it’s vital for everyone to understand and needn’t be seen as threatening or a put-down; it seems to be part of the nature of politics.
We see the consequences of liberal openness and conservative conscientiousness everywhere — and especially in the political battle over facts. Liberal irrationalities tend toward the sudden, new and trendy: such as, say, subscribing to the now largely discredited idea that childhood vaccines cause autism. This assertion was tailor-made for plucking liberal heartstrings, activating a deeply felt need to protect children from harm, especially harm allegedly caused by big, rich drug companies.
But the claims about vaccine risks happened to be factually wrong. And how do we know? Scientists — who themselves lean liberal — debunked them. Over time, so did many other liberals. And in significant measure, it worked: There are still many people who cling to this inaccurate belief, but it is much, much harder these days to defend it, especially in the news media.
Compare this with a different irrationality: refusing to admit that humans are a product of evolution, a chief point of denial for the religious right. In a recent poll, just 43 percent of tea party adherents accepted the established science here. Yet unlike the vaccine issue, this denial is anything but new and trendy; it is well over 100 years old. The state of Tennessee is even hearkening back to the days of the Scopes “Monkey” Trial, more than 85 years ago. It just passed a bill that will weaken the teaching of evolution.
Such are some of the probable consequences of openness, or the lack thereof.
Now consider another related trait implicated in our divide over reality: the “need for cognitive closure.” This describes discomfort with uncertainty and a desire to resolve it into a firm belief. Someone with a high need for closure tends to seize on a piece of information that dispels doubt or ambiguity, and then freeze, refusing to consider new information. Those who have this trait can also be expected to spend less time processing information than those who are driven by different motivations, such as achieving accuracy.
A number of studies show that conservatives tend to have a greater need for closure than do liberals, which is precisely what you would expect in light of the strong relationship between liberalism and openness. “The finding is very robust,” explained Arie Kruglanski, a University of Maryland psychologist who has pioneered research in this area and worked to develop a scale for measuring the need for closure.
The trait is assessed based on responses to survey statements such as “I dislike questions which could be answered in many different ways” and “In most social conflicts, I can easily see which side is right and which is wrong.”
Anti-evolutionists have been found to score higher on the need for closure. And in the global-warming debate, tea party followers not only strongly deny the science but also tend to say that they “do not need any more information” about the issue.
I’m certainly not saying that liberals have a monopoly on truth. Of course not. They aren’t always right; but when they’re wrong, they are wrong differently.
When you combine key psychological traits with divergent streams of information from the left and the right, you get a world where there is no truth that we all agree upon. We wield different facts, and hold them close, because we truly experience things differently.
The political psychological divide goes beyond science. Factual disputes over many issues feature the same dynamics: Does the health care reform law contain “death panels”? Did the stimulus package create any jobs? Even American history is up for debate: Did the Founders intend this to be a Christian nation?
However, there only is one reality — and we don’t get to discount it forever. And liberal-conservative differences are part of reality, too; inescapable, and increasingly difficult to deny.
Chris Mooney is the author of “The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science — and Reality.”



I predict over 200 comments, most of them argumentative.
Just another study done by Liberals over the decades to describe what they can’t understand in Conservative beliefs. These show up every couple of years.
Love the name Chris “Moon bat” Mooney
I thought this was particularly funny.
“less exploratory, less in need of change ”
I’d compare my passport visa list to just about any of our fellow posters.
I also took a ride to Orient this weekend to see the windmills between Springfield and Danforth for myself. Had to get out of here.
I never explore anything….
Yet is seems true that liberals and conservatives view the world differently. We can look at the same information and come to different conclusions. I remember a book a number of years ago by James Carville titled, “We’re Right And They’re Wrong.” Both sides say they are right and the other side is wrong. It’s easy to just say the other person is stupid. But maybe there are real differences in the way we see the world.
I think that both liberals and conservatives tend to define the other in caricature like terms. This “study” by Mooney did exactly that of conservatives . Of course he is just pushing a book and has been making the rounds of the talking head shows making a fortune.
Which is just one more reason to doubt his scientific validity.
I agree with you that liberals and conservatives tend to caricature one another. We are far too quick to assume that the other side is simply ignorant or even brainless. And I will agree with you that Mooney pushed at conservatives a bit too hard. He would have made his point better if he had tried a more even-handed approach.
Still, it seems obvious that we (liberals and conservatives) must view the world differently. I love my far-right oldest sister, my moderately liberal second eldest sister, my moderately conservative youngest sister, and my liberal brother — good people who see the world differently. We were all raised by the same two parents in the same house, and we all think we reflect our parents’ values. How do we account for the difference? I suspect that we have predispositions to see the world differently.
Or, is it that we tend to research differently depending upon experience? Why is it that some of us would never take a hand out whereas others prefer not to work? Don’t say that it is all environmental—learned from those before us. In the same family, one will work and another will play. Some want to allow themselves to be taken care of—others assert independence quickly.
Predispositions obviously play a part—are those predispositions a part of nature rather than nurture? To simply make the contrasts made in this article regarding conservatism vs. liberalism is foolish, at best!
I’m interested in the questions you offered — For instance you said, “Why is it that some of us would never take a hand out whereas others prefer not to work?” etc.
I might have picked “Why is it that some of us would be willing to help another person, but some of us would never do so? Why is it that some people show compassion, but others do not? Why are some people generous, but others are merely grasping at their own belongings?”
The questions we chose might indicate a difference in the liberal vs. conservative outlook.
But however we phrase it — and yes, the article is biased toward liberalism — there seems to be a difference in how liberals and conservatives see the world.
Nurture? My parents raised five kids — the oldest turned out to be very conservative, the next oldest moderately liberal, the next very liberal, the next moderately conservative, the next very liberal. How did these five people, raised in the same house by the same parents, get such different “nurture?” I don’t think it’s nurture — it’s more our nature.
Likewise, my nephews and nieces are all over the spectrum — in one family a Wiccan priestess, an Assembly of God pastor, and a moderately conservative Protestant. Their politics are likewise very liberal, very conservative, and moderately conservative.
In your thesis you make no distinction between institutional charity (throwing money at the problem) and walking away) and actually picking up a hammer nails and saw to help your neighbor rebuild after a storm. (the perso0nal approach) I oppose governmental assistance because it devalues the true art of community.
My hammer, nails and saw are always at the ready for those who need help and are either willing to work with me, or are too old and disabled to do so. Those who can not work had better be prepared to tell me a story, sing, play the banjo or make lunch while I work
My thesis about this article is, yes, conservatives and liberals think differently. But if you want to change the subject to charity and compassion, I’ll oblige.
I’m willing to help a close neighbor, friend, or relative, because I know what the need is. I don’t know what is needed in another part of Maine, let alone in, say, Oklahoma. And I’m not a very good carpenter.
The government — that is, “we the people,” together as a society — can do more, and often can do it better, than one individual can do. I realize that many conservatives say that “government is the problem,” and sometimes it is. But my conservative sister loves her government-run Medicare, and she says, “I don’t want the government messing with my Medicare,” as if it isn’t a government program! I can’t provide anything like Medicare for her by myself.
Ironically, she would vote for the people who voted against Medicare, and would vote for the people who would gut it — the people she supports would “mess with” her Medicare, but that’s another discussion.
We all act together, as a government, we the people, to build highways, provide police and fire protection, create parks and libraries, plow the winter roads, pay for grandma in the nursing home so that her children aren’t bankrupted, provide for national defence, and regulate the meat packers so that we don’t get tainted beef, etc.
So I’m no anarchist. I think we need government, and some things can’t be done without government.
Government wastes over $1,000,000 just writing the checks for LIHEAP. Sometimes government IS the problem.
Yes, why ARE liberals less generous with their own resources, but fall all over themselves to give away the resources of others? It’s a mystery.
Id compare mine with you, but then, I am conservative and you and I agree often
Liberals often like to use europe as an example, without ever having been there to see what its like for themselves and how things really run there
Sure, you can wave your passport and deny the study as false but you’re missing the bigger picture. The writer isn’t trying to define liberals as risk takers and conservatives as wall flowers, it’s meant as an abstract look at how we define our decisions. Of course there are those conservatives out there that like to go and try new restaurants and things and there’s those liberals that prefer to stay at home and not be social. For example, just like horoscopes, you’re going to meet up with the majority of traits most likely that you associate yourself with but not everything is going to match up but it doesn’t change the fact that a Virgo is a Virgo or a Gemini is a Gemini.
Taking it at a purely observance, this is what they’ve been able to acquire out of watching and observing several of peoples’ actions, it’s just a study, it’s not defining who you are as a person. That’s not the point of the study. The human mind is filled with emotion and bases our decisions off those reactions, how our minds are wired are all, obviously, unique due to our genetics and different strands of traits, but we share common traits and reactions as well. Shooting the article down as “Just another study done by Liberals to describe what they can’t understand” is just being closed minded. The reason why Liberals shoot down ideas isn’t because they’re Liberals, if that was the case, the same could be same for Conservatives.
I expect I would not have been as you say closed minded had the author not already exhibited his behavior by his obvious bias. Perhaps you missed that. (We won’t go into his TV interviews ridiculing people.)
My” just another study” comment was historically accurate as every couple years there is some new “study” presumably unbiased (note tongue in cheek) trotted out to explain the unexplainable from a liberals point of view. This one is nothing new.
Liberals, like children, think they are entitled to the things others have earned.
Conservatives believe that selishness and greed are virtues. They also believe the sick and disabled are lazy and what ever crumbs the get to live on they don’t deserve. Conservatism is an outmoded ideology that is based on humans’ worst qualities and will one day be extinct.
Wrong. I believe the lazy are lazy and use up welfare benefits that actually should be going to the needy
I think youjust proved JohnPHocks to be correct. Should we have accountability? Of course. But the cuts proposed by the lePage conservatives will hurt the needy — and he should know better.
How quickly you managed to get off topic! You moved immediately to accusations, and away from the topic of whether conservatives and liberals see the world differently because we think differently from one another.
I have one very conservative sister, one moderately conservative sister, one moderately liberal sister, and a liberal brother (now deceased); I regard myself as a liberal. We were all raised in the same home by the same two parents. We all think that our values reflect the values our parents instilled in us. I’ve often wondered how it is that we view the world so differently — and have suspected that we simply have dispositions that encourage us to see the world differently. “Different” doesn’t mean “better,” nor does it mean “worse” (although maybe conservatives think people mean “worse” when they say “different”).
Could be titled: People who are not Liberal, and why they don’t get it like we do.
Since the article is about unscientific observations, try adding liberals believe in “concensus” science and conservatives believe in science. If it is science than any event can be predicted using the same method. We started with global cooling than it warmed up. The “concensus” switched to calling it global warming than it got cooler. Now the “concensus” just calls it global climate change to cover all the bases. The only thing certain about the weather is it is going to change. But that is what the science predicted before all these name changes for the weather started.
“49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden last week admonishing the agency for its role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change while neglecting empirical evidence that calls the theory into question.
Select excerpts from the letter:
The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.
We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact on global climate change, are not substantiated.
We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/10/hansen-and-schmidt-of-nasa-giss-under-fire-engineers-scientists-astronauts-ask-nasa-administration-to-look-at-emprical-evidence-rather-than-climate-models/
If there was a consensus among scientists that an asteroid was going to hit the Earth Conservatives would deny it and call it Liberal propaganda.
That would depend if Al Gore built another mansion directly in the asteroids path or not.
Lest you forget, the theory of man-made climate change is just that – a theory. Piece by piece, real scientists are demonstrating the flaws and falsehoods. How awful it must be for you true believers who think that consensus equals science.
From Modern Times by Paul Johnson:
“But it was of the essence of Einstein’s methodology that he insisted his equations must be verified by empirical observation and he himself devised three specific tests for this purpose….
It was a measure of Einstein’s scientific rigour that he refused to accept that his own theory was valid until the third test (the ‘red shift’) was met. ‘If it were proved that this effect does not exist in nature’, he wrote to Eddington on 15 December 1919, ‘then the whole theory would have to be abandoned.’
Now, that’s science.
You fail to understand the definition of the word “theory.” The way you are saying it your implying theory = hypothesis. It does not. Theory is the strongest possible conviction you can come up with in science. There are no laws. You study statics and facts, you hypothesise an explanation for those facts, and after you and many other scientists test you hypothesis, you build a predictive framework around that and you have a theory. Theories are also ever evolving expanding things as we refine them or more data comes to light.
There is much more evidence to the fact we are living in a time of warming that does not fit the “natural” cycles we have evidence for from the past, than for general relativity when Einstein proposed it.
The “statistics and facts” surrounding the theory of AGW, as revealed by the scandalous e-mails uncovered at East Anglia, were arrived at by torturing and in many cases concealing data in order to arrive at a preconceived, politically driven conclusion. “Evidence” arrived at by this means is not, in fact, evidence at all.
So now that someone called you out on your silly word “trick.” Your going to go back to a very laid to rest lie.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10538198 ; http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/debunking-misinformation-stolen-emails-climategate.html ,
Please point me to the publication record that supports your “Piece by piece, real scientists are demonstrating the flaws and falsehoods. “
Start at the link I posted previously on this thread, genius.
We kind of need to see peer reviewed research that is repeatable, not a list of crackpots who are paid by fossil fuel companies to create doubt in people who don’t understand science.
You people are delusional.
Your the one arguing for science by consensus. Your original link says 49 scientists want a higher degree of certainty. Ok… Now I am simply asking beyond these peoples opinion can you please point me to the evidence or research that supports your “Piece by piece, real scientists are demonstrating the flaws and falsehoods. ” It is not a rude or delusional question to ask that.
Your link does not seem to contain any of that evidence. It simply repeats the tired thoroughly debunked “climate gate,” and picks on the straw men Al Gore and Bill Nye. I am a scientists show me good evidence and my opinion must change but please show me real evidence instead of old, tired personal attacks.
Asking for evidence that is peer reviewed and repeatable isn’t delusional, it is science. I am sorry if this is inconvenient to your narrative or what you wish the facts would be, but that doesn’t change how science works… even if you really wish it did.
Also, personal attacks are a bit silly and can often be a sign of a weak argument. That being said please se my lower post for my more thorough response.
Im of the belief that we have only been recording temperatures for a 100 years or so….earths kinda old. So to say one way or the other, well, seems like a guess more than fact
We have tree ring data and ice core data that allow us to infer past temperatures for several thousand years…
Actually Tom It depends on the area of the earth, Antarctica for instance several hundred thousand years.
Kinda like the Administrator about six or so years ago “doubting” global warming. He wasn’t, of course, but he was wanting a broader discussion of all the factors causing what is obviously occurring. Or worse, deigning to suggest that we humans don’t even know what the “correct” temperature is!
Obviously an infidel.
Dead rotting polar bears cluttering the seashores of canada.. Not!!! After a decade of climate warnings.. the polar sea ice extents are NORMAL. It’s OK for your children to come out of the bunkers now. Oh, BTW. Al Gore just purchased a $9,000,000 mansion in the hills of California.
See map images for yourselves : http://www.climate4you.com/SeaIce.htm
Oh boy! I would like to see the carbon footprint for that little place. Will he be buying carbon off-sets for it, I wonder?
Has Al opted out of the Kyoto Treaty yet? And why hasn’t it been more widely reported that Canada opted out of Kyoto??? Well, they only did it because they didn’t want to pay BILLIONS of dollars in carbon penalties just because they were developing energy for the rest of the world—mostly US, if we build a nice pipeline.
You fail at understanding how science works.
Well first, those who blamed the vaccines for Autism tend to be liberal. Especially those who STILL think it is the fault of vaccines.
As for Global warming. Science is not “consensus” as liberals tend ot believe, it is facts. and the facts have increasingly shown that global temperatures go in cylces and we have been “warming” for FAR longer than we have been industrialized. We are also not seeing anywhere near the temperature increases that the liberal alarmists predicted (or even said were already happening).
As for the rest of this bunk, this guy is a complete dolt. And he even proves it over and over again through his pathetic blindness to the facts (which is exactly what he projects on those he disagrees with) and selective statements.
Why did the BDN publish this when they are “trying” to show some objectivity? Or are they looking to get bought by Pingree’s husband as well?
Please do some research. By the “normal” cycles you speak of the Arctic should be cooling. It is not.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32675876/ns/us_news-environment/t/warming-arctic-should-be-cooling-study-finds/#.T4x0l1S7GVM
Being an Inpendent/Moderate…. I find that both sides are completely inane ! I will say however that through my experience the Conservatives tend to tell more blatent lies about the left than than the Liberals do about the right !
I agree anyone dead set in any one direction should be ignored. They already have what they want to believe and they can’t be reasoned with.
Amen! My Friend !!!
There are a couple of truisms in life.
You can’t argue with a drunk.
You can’t argue with a hard righter.
You can’t argue with a hard leftist.
Please amend argue with reason;)
Not true. A month ago, you could not have convinced me to vote for same sex marriage, but someone did just that
Could it be because the Liberals don’t know the diffrence lol
You made no sense my friend ! Good luck next time !
Exactly my point on LIberals.
I don’t care for extremism from any side. However I have found that most extremism comes from the right lately !
That is interesting because I am also a moderate as well, and consider myself a Libertarian. I listen to a lot of liberal and conservative radio, read a lot of liberal and conservative articles, and I feel the exact opposite. Both sides tend to be a little crazy, and both sides can “stretch the truth”, I don’t believe that either side is deliberately lying. In any case, I can tell you that liberals have a tendency to stretch the truth a lot, I also have noticed that they conveniently leave out very important information. They also have a tendency to make giant leaps in their logic, i.e. “conservative war on woman”
I am guessing this is the case because you are a left leaning moderate. Since I am a Libertarian, and Libertarian ideologies in regards to fiscal policy is more in line with conservative beliefs I tend to agree more with conservatives on these issues. Especially since Conservative talk radio almost exclusively talks about fiscal/economic issues.
As the noted liberal Adlai Stevenson once said, “I would make a proposition to my Republican friends, if they would stop telling lies about us, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
I think its about equal. For every limbaugh you have a olbermann.
That’s kind of like saying for every Hitler, you have a Casey Anthony. Sure they are both bad, but Anthony isn’t in the same league as Hitler. Same with Olberman and Limbaugh.
I have friends both liberal and conservative there both right just ask them.
How would Mr. Mooney explain a person who changes political ideology? It happens all the time. It has always been my opinion that psychology has less value for humans than people give it credit for.
Agreed. I was fairly liberal, even fairly radical left in my youth. Experience made me otherwise.
Huh, just the opposite for me, I voted for Dole in 1996. I listened to Rush Limbaugh. I read P.J. O’Rourke. However once I opened myself up to opposing view points, and started actually paying attention to what was going on in the world, it became much harder to be a Conservative. Facts didn’t seem to jive with the philosophy.
It seems that you and Cheesecake are just wishy washy, LOL;)
Hey!! What’s that supposed to mean?
Personally, I would look at it as having reality open up my eyes to the shades of gray in the world. When I was a Conservative, I believed and was told that if you work hard you get ahead in life. When I got to the work force, I saw that wasn’t exactly true. Some people, no matter how hard they work will not get any breaks, and will not be able to move up. In fact, I worked less hard than many and soon found myself their supervisor, simply because I had a different set of skills and better opportunities growing up. When you become aware of the realities in the world, it becomes much harder to be a Conservative.
It looks like you learned the wrong lessons.
First is… life isn’t fair and no matter what you do, you can’t make it so.
Second, You worked smarter, not harder. That is what successful people do.
(hard work is just a part of it.)
My personal journey was from the anti-war left of the sixties and was present at some of the more seminal events of the period.
I have never listened to Limbaugh Savage or any of those entertainer types except in passing and not for too long. It sounds too contrived and it really wouldn’t effect me anyway.
First off, to be a proper conservative you need to have a healthy dose of skepticism about politicians in general and those that promise you something for nothing in particular. (treat you like you were born yesterday.)
I started off as a Young Republican who supported Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater and Ford. I subscribed to William F. Buckley’s National Review in high school. I was a registered Republican as recently as 1980, then switched to independent, and finally to the Democratic Party. (I voted for the Independent, former Republican, John Anderson, rather than either Reagan or Carter, in 1980.)
But even as a Republican I was pro-Civil Rights and anti-war.
As the Republican Party drifted farther and farther to the right, before sliding off the deep end into the extreme right in the past decade, it left me behind.
I agree that we need to have a healthy dose of skepticism about politicians in general. I don’t listen to Keith Olbermann or Ed Schulz or Al Sharpton — too partisan, too angry, not good for my blood pressure. I find Rachel Maddow to be smart, funny, and often worth watching. I like Jon Stewart, with the caveat that he is a comedian who does what he calls “fake news.”
I also reject the right-wing gospel of narcissism and greed. Yes, I believe in limited government, individual liberties, and merit. I also believe we are a society, and that we are our brother’s keeper. I believe that we will all get old, sick and/or injured, and that we will all die; that we need one another, and that government should reflect our compassionate values.
Your problem is that you see this as a “left” versus “right” issue.
It’s a scam. Neither the “left” or the “right” cares about you. Both sides pass more and more legislation to restrict the control of average citizens over its government. In the process, they spend lots of money to keep us complacent and blind to their mutual agenda of passing more laws.
You argue for the right, and then you say it’s not about left or right — an interesting mind-bender, that!
I’m not as cynical as you appear to be. Sure, a lot of politicians get corrupted by the system, and many get complacent, but almost all start off with good intentions. It’s interesting to me that while the American public has a very low regard for Congress in general, most people think their own Senator and Representative are doing a good job. It’s all those other members of Congress who are bums.
Certainly the money that is thrown around by big businesses and their lobbyists — and now the SuperPacs that came out of the Citizens United Supreme Court decision — has a corrupting influence.
But I think most people in Congress, and those running for president, at least start out with very good intentions.
The problem with the science of global warming, is that like anything else, once something has become just another way for people to push a political agenda the “science” can no longer be trusted, and everything must be questioned.
The only reason conservatives typically do not believe in global warming is for this very reason, because global warming has become nothing more than a medium for the left to push their agenda.
That isn’t to say that global warming is not real, and is not a threat, I am simply suggesting that political issues have to be questioned.
When it comes to social issues, I find that conservatives are completely out of their minds. Just take a look at Rick Santorum. Granted most conservatives are not as bad as he is.
When it comes to fiscal/economic issues, I find that liberals are out of their minds. Thanks to liberal commentary, your typical person off the street is very misinformed when it comes to economic issues. For example, many believe that the poor in this country pay a majority of the taxes, they believe that most rich people pay no taxes, amongst a handful of other things. They have no understanding of how a corporation works, let alone what a corporation actually is. They do not know the difference between wealth, income, and money. Now, you don’t have to agree with Austrian School economic theory, or trickle down, but making such statements are simply incorrect, and irresponsible.
So the belief that liberals have a monopoly on the truth is simply insane. If we are talking about scientifically backed issues, that is another story, but otherwise, no.
Thanks for attempting a balanced look! Not many on these pages are able to see beyond black and white. The main point of the article — obscured by the author’s liberal slant — is that liberals and conservatives vote differently because they think differently. We see the world differently. Some are more extreme than others. But we must view the world differently, because we can look at the same facts and come to the opposite conclusions.
Glad to know there are at least a few of us social liberal, fiscal conservative types out there! Or as I would call us: level headed moderates. Mooney’s open brain/closed brain oversimplification is pure garbage…
More of us than you could imagine. My problem is that I think the government spends too much money in the wrong areas, and not enough ensuring that we have adequate infrastructure, education, and healthcare.
Clearly, we should insult the atmospheric/oceanic climate system faster than we understand it.
I think conservatives, with the exception of biblical types, don’t have a problem with science. The problem many of us have is the politics seems to drive the science not the other way around. I would be more willing to accept scientific statements and those of economists as well with less of a jaundiced eye if money and politics were not a driving force behind it.
I love the notion of liquid water with organic content was found on the moons of Saturn, very exciting stuff. It was announced a couple of weeks ago. Did that make a big splash in the news? Not really. There was no politics in the announcement. No political point to drive home. Good science no politics.
I agree, Cheesecake, that many conservatives have no problem with science. The less religiously inclined conservatives are allied, however, with religious zealots who have an allergic reaction to science. The zealots, because they take a rigidly literalist approach to Scripture, feel threatened by science. The right appears to me to be an alliance between fiscal conservatives, religious social conservatives, and conservative libertarians (but not so many liberal libertarians). And so, while you may be interested in and open to science, many of your allies are not.
Thanks for the news about Saturn — I’ll look for it!
You may have missed my point. We non-religious conservative types have no problem with science… but at least I have a problem with the politicization of it. It presents political answers and then calls it self science. Look no further than Mr Moody and his study above.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11736311/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/liquid-water-saturn-moon-could-support-life/#.T4w_ztnD1SY
That’s the thing — it’s not “his” study. Mooney is, indeed, politicizing it, and his article (and I presume book) has a liberal slant. That doesn’t necessarily mean that McCree, the researcher, has a slant. If I understand correctly, McCree said that conservatives and liberals think differently. We could probably agree on that without even seeing the data. So is the study political? I don’t think so. Is Mooney’s article political? Yes.
His study= the one he referenced. Not an article. Actually, It is a book aimed at the liberal pocketbook to be placed on coffee tables at Democratic fund-raisers dinners parties and the like. Its purpose is to lend credence to the caricatures liberals have of conservatives. Otherwise he would not have appeared on comedy news shows and other fee for appearance shows.
His book, his article. Someone else’s study.
Count me as a religious conservative who has no problem with science. What I do have problems with are scientists that purport to be working from a lily-white clean slate – that they have no pre-conceived notions, when in fact they do – creationist or evolutionist, AGW alarmist or AGW skeptic.
The knuckle dragger’s won’t read this…….. there are no pictures. Someone will have to read it to them some of the words have more than two syllables. ROFLMAO!
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
http://asr.sagepub.com/content/77/2/167.full
While the rest of the world passes them by the pecksniffian’s will continue to pander to the BuyBull Bullievers. Be advised conservatives there are no pictures on those links so please get someone (none troglodyte) to read it to you.
you’re just learning that now??Where the hell have you been ?
You’re right-with all the emails where liberal scientists made up data to support “global warming”-it is true that they are open to the idea that during the Clinton administration, money for research had to go for global warming and they went for it’ As Micheal Savage stated,”Liberalism is a mental disease.”
Although the article was not even-handed, the author has one good point — that liberals and conservatives think differently and so we see the same facts differently. And you just proved that point.
They aren’t liberals anymore. They are progressives.
They became so ashamed of the name they had to
change it.
I gladly wear the name liberal Homer. Proud history associated with it, ironically now less people are willing to identify themselves as Republican or Conservative especially among the younger crowd who have come to see what they represent. The great thing about being a Conservative is that you will always find yourself on the wrong side of history.
The wrong side of history stuff is simply crap. That statement has been used by every politician I can think of. Some of the most famous monsters in history have made that claim including Hitler and Stalin in order to motivate their followers. Pure pablum.
Care to point out where Hitler said that Conservatives were on the wrong side of history?
Not what I said and you know it.
Agreed. The Hitler remark was not appropriate.
What party did hitler belong to? Nationalist what party?
Hitler was a right-winger who called himself a conservative and a nationalist, and allied himself with other conservatives when he was trying to obtain power. Yes, his party called itself the National Socialist German Workers’ Party — trying to appeal to both nationalists and socialists — but he was no socialist. They made it clear the “workers” they wanted to appeal to were middle class.
His party was founded out of the far-right German nationalist (and antisemitic) movement. It was always strongly anti-Communist and anti-Socialist. Anti-big-business in some of his early pronouncements in the ’20s, he allied himself with big business and became more sharply racist and anti-Marxist in the 1930s.
When he became Chancellor, he immediately set out to destroy the far left, banning the Communist Party first, the Socialists second, the liberal parties third, and the center parties after that. Then he turned to the conservative parties that he was allied with, and told them to either join the Nazis or be similarly destroyed. In 1934 he purged the Nazi Party of all who took the word “socialist” seriously, including Ernst Rohm, the head of the Storm Troopers, who was executed. Franz Von Pappen, a former conservative Chancellor who was not a Nazi when Hitler took power, continued to serve in Hitler’s government in fairly prominent roles throughout the war.
Don’t go confusing them with facts. It has SOCIALIST in the name, they have to always be Socialist. Parties can never change philosophy over time. Which is why they are still the party of trust busting and environmental protection, since they were when Teddy was President.
No, in many ways they were very much socialist. Everyone had to contribute to the greater good. However, since Stalin was 1000 times worse than hitler ever thought of being, we could always use his example if you prefer
It seems that you don’t understand the meaning of the word “socialist.” And you don’t believe Hitler and Mussolini when they said they were conservatives.
Well, 77, at one time “liberal” meant someone who believed in liberty, freedom, individual rights and responsibility. But that was long ago.
That’s exactly what it means — still. I’m a liberal because I believe in liberty, freedom, individual rights and responsibility — along with compassion. And this is now.
Where does liberty, freedom and individual rights and responsibility come from?
I am wondering do you favor compelled compassion provided by a government or a compassion that comes from a willing soul?
I agree with Jefferson that “we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” (that was from memory, so please forgive if I misquoted). Of course, in the same document, Jefferson wrote of “Nature and Nature’s God,” a Deist, and not biblical, phrase — giving insight into Jefferson’s idea of our Creator.
At the same time, I believe we have personal responsibility to defend our individual rights and responsibilities. Freedom is never won forever; each generation must continue the struggle.
The government IS “we, the people.” The highest office under the United states of America is that of citizen. All other government officials work for the citizens. We are the government; what resides in Washington D.C. and in Augusta is merely the administration.
Since we are the government, our government ought to reflect our values, our best selves. Those who want to have a stingy, grasping government, must either see the government as not belonging to the people — or perhaps they, themselves, are stingy and grasping. But if we believe in community, cooperation, and compassion — and I do — then our government, we the people, should embody such values.
Do I want accountability? Of course. But to be human, I believe, also requires that we be humane. And our government should reflect our humanity.
Maybe this is a liberal-conservative “we don’t know how each other thinks moment”. I am having trouble understanding your points as they relate to my questions. One of your statements though has me a bit frightened if I understand you correctly.
This “We the People” reference you make is kind of misleading.
The Constitution makes it understood that there is a clear difference between the people and the government. The Constitution defines that relationship. In fact the first 10 Amendments of the Constitution are protections for the people against government excess.
A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to
against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or
rest on inference. ~~ Thomas Jefferson
And yet if begins by saying that the government is formed by “we, the people.” We establish the government. Ultimately, the government is us. Yes, we choose representatives. But, other than the Supreme Court, they do not hold office for life. We can boot them out if they fail to represent us properly.
Of course we have to have a Bill of Rights to protect us — individuals and minorities must be protected from the tyranny of the majority. No individual, alone, is the government. But all of us together, we the people, are the government. Still, the administration of the government is directed by majorities, and minorities and individuals must have their rights protected. Does that seem clearer?
The Bill of rights does not, in my view, differentiate between the “government” and the people — it says “Congress” shall not do such-and-such, or “No soldier shall” be quartered in a home in time of peace, or “the right of” such-and-such shall not be abridged, or “the accused shall enjoy the right of a speedy and public trial,” etc. But I don’t see where it says “the government” is separate from than the people of the United States.
In a court room we say “John Doe vs. the people of State of Maine” or in federal court, “Joe Smith vs. the people of the United States.”
The administration of the government resides in Congress, the Judiciary, the President and executive branch, the States and their governors and legislatures, and local government as well. It’s a system of checks and balances, so that no one part of the government’s administration has too much power.
I know that we don’t generally talk about the people as being the government, or “citizen’ as being the highest office — to me it’s a way of remembering that what we think of as “the government” — really the administration of the government — works for us.
Its quite simple really. If the government is not a separate entity from the people there would be no need for the first 10 amendments to the Constitution.
You misunderstand a great deal about the relationship between the Government and the governed and the Constitutions role. Best of luck and I hope there are not too many folks that believe like you do, for down that road lies tyranny.
Tyranny? The opposite! Are you saying that the Constitution is wrong, that “We, the people” do NOT form the government? Are you saying that the citizens should NOT be the final authority in choosing the people who administer our government? If that is your position, you must want tyranny.
What is it about elections and checks-and-balances and the Bill of Rights that you don’t like or don’t understand? Right-wingers like Sarah Palin plaster “We, the people” on the sides of campaign buses — but you must think that she is completely wrong.
WE form the government — that’s the basis of any democratic constitutional republic.
There is quite a difference between we “form” the government and we “are” the government. This is elementary school stuff here.
We the people in order to “form” a more perfect union…..
You either don’t understand what you are reading or are intentionality obfuscating.
You need a Constitution class really bad.
Okay, insult me yet again if that makes you feel better.
Yes, we are having a failure to communicate. I’m thinking you may have been absent from ninth grade Civics class, and you think the same of me.
I’m suggesting a way of looking at things — In a constitutional democratic republic, if we are not the government, then who is? The government is not our overlords. The administration works for us. The president, the Senators, the Representatives, the governors, all come from the ranks of “we, the people.” They are us, and they work for us. You could be elected to a public office at some point. If you were elected, would you stop being one of “the people’ at that point? Would you stop being a citizen because you were elected to be part of the administration of the government? No, you would still be an American citizen, one of “we, the people.” And when your term of office was over, you would go home and still be a citizen and a voter, and you would still participate in the government by voting and expressing an opinion, and maybe even by writing letter to the editor.
Yes, we form the government, and it is, and remains in our hands. We are ultimately responsible. So in that sense, we “are” the government. We vote. We participate. Without the people, there is no government.
I think we are arguing over semantics.
You apparently took great offense at the idea that the administration in Washington, D.C., works for us, the citizens. To me, that’s basic to our Constitution.
The insults you are throwing at me are unnecessary. Knock it off, please. I’m actually a nice guy, and not exactly stupid, either.
If that is so, you are in a very distinct minority. Classical liberalism died out as an influence decades ago. The last significant classical liberal of any note was Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
For a more complete explanation, I refer you to my reply to Cheesecake:
“I agree with Jefferson that ‘we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness’ (that was from memory, so please forgive if I misquoted). Of course, in the same document, Jefferson wrote of ‘Nature and Nature’s God,’ a Deist, and not biblical, phrase — giving insight into Jefferson’s idea of our Creator.
At the same time, I believe we have personal responsibility to defend our individual rights and responsibilities. Freedom is never won forever; each generation must continue the struggle.
The government IS ‘we, the people.’ The highest office under the United States of America is that of citizen. All other government officials work for the citizens. We are the government; what resides in Washington D.C. and in Augusta is merely the administration.
Since we are the government, our government ought to reflect our values, our best selves. Those who want to have a stingy, grasping government, must either see the government as not belonging to
the people — or perhaps they, themselves, are stingy and grasping. But if we believe in community, cooperation, and compassion — and I do — then our government, we the people, should embody such values.
Do I want accountability? Of course. But to be human, I believe, also requires that we be humane. And our government should reflect our humanity.”
That, I think, is liberalism — both political and religious liberalism — and I believe it is a widespread position among contemporary liberals.
I do not buy the pablum.
I gave you a serious answer. Your only answer is a dismissive insult.
That does not speak well of you — it makes you look little.
When they run out of talking points, they attack. It’s a tired game. When the pigs can’t convince ya of their version of the facts, they send in the dogs.
It was not a serious answer. It was fluffy bits of nonsense.
Just because you didn’t have a serious answer doesn’t mean I wasn’t serious.
There are twice as many people who self identify as conservatives s there are who self identify as liberal.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
These progressive-liberals really don’t understand how much of a minority they are.
It was changed to liberal progressive. Maybe you did not know that.
How Orwellian: “I’m certainly not saying that liberals have a monopoly on truth. Of course not. They aren’t always right; but when they’re wrong, they are wrong differently.” Typical liberal mindset.
I thought only Sociology was the only discipline that stated the obvious.
Wow, who’d have guessed nearly all the conservative posters, on this story, back it’s conclusions. “Just another study done by liberals”…”Chris Moon bat Mooney”…”try adding liberals believe in “concensus” science and conservatives believe in science”…”
Dead rotting polar bears cluttering the seashores of canada.. Not!!!”…”
They aren’t liberals anymore. They are progressives. They became so ashamed of the name they had to change it.”…”
Typical liberal mindset.”…”Liberalism is a mental disease.”…All of which are typical snide remarks, made by conservatives.
Very funny.
The thing about Republican politicos is that they deliberately lie about science to promote their own policies, and their party populous believe them because it is more comfortable for them to do so. They are more comfortable believing their own prejudices because their brains are less open to change. This has been well documented by scientific studies. Do not expect any Republicans to believe the science. It does not serve their spin or their comfort zone.
The same exact thing can be applied to liberals
Sorry but, Liberals, Democrats nor Progressives deny scientific findings, like the well documented findings on brains. As I said, I do not expect you to believe anything with which you are uncomfortable.
Not a problem for me. All best wishes to you.
Sorry, but there is plenty of scientific evidence that dispells global warming, yet, liberals are very quick to deny it. Because it isnt comfortable for them? I believe in science plenty, but I believe that some science, in particular, global warming, is just as much a religion as actual religion is. Alot of beliefe without much backing it up
Its not about beleiving what is comfortable, its about people making very nonsensical remarks like conservatives only do this and liberals only do that.
Its ignorant, and tends to make you lose any credibility in the argument you are trying to make
Do you want to link to the peer reviewed articles that dispell global warming?
There are no credible scientists who dispel global warming. Note that I said credible. Global warming is established science, no matter what you believe.
So who defines credible? You….no liberals in general, thus proving my point. Its clearly not comfortable for you.
Peer reviewed scientist with repeatable results defines credible.
On the one side, overwhelming scientific research, peer reviewed, with verifiable results.
On the other side, Rush Limbaugh and various Fox News commentators.
Some people think that sounds equal. I don’t.
What a bunch of patronizing baloney. Let’s pigeon hole all non-liberals as closed-minded troglodytes who can’t accept science. And we all fit neatly into one brain type or another.
How about this:
I firmly believe in evolution via natural selection, but readily admit scientific evidence is necessarily historical and descriptive, not empirical.
I believe (not as firmly) that man is responsible for recent rises in global temperature, but scoff at wealthy tree huggers who mitigate their guilt with a Prius and carbon credits, while using their wealth to maintain a 3000 square foot house.
I believe religion is indeed the “opiate of the masses” and is a fascinating (yet tragic) case study in collective insanity.
I believe gays should be able to marry, abortion in the first half of pregnancy should be legal, marijuana laws are crazy, and religious nuts should in general butt out of everyone’s life and lifestyle choices.
I believe the government has become a nanny state that strives to dictate every behavior.
I believe in personal responsibility, and have little sympathy for those who find themselves in tough situations due to irresponsible behavior.
I believe in a meritocracy.
I believe the government should take as little money out of my pocket as possible because they are hopelessly inefficient and never hold the beneficiaries of our collective generosity accountable for their behavior.
So please, try and shoehorn me with your vapid inquiry into the oh-so-confusing conservative mind.
Okay, I’m a liberal who understands that you don’t want to be told that your thinking is “wrong” just because you are a conservative. But I think the article — albeit written by a liberal — was saying that conservatives and liberals think “differently” from one another. That doesn’t mean your way of seeing the world is inherently wrong, merely that we have different ways of seeing the world.
So I’m glad that you accept the overwhelming science of biological evolution; and that we can’t keep polluting the Earth and expect that there will be no consequences. Some of your conservative allies, conservative religious zealots, would disagree with you.
I drive a ten-year-old second-hand Prius, which I purchased at a typical used-car price, not only because I want to treat the Earth responsibly, but also because I like getting 50 mpg and spending less at the fuel pump. I live in a 1200 square foot house, properly insulated.
I believe that religion is generally a good thing, although it is also easily misused. I believe that a literalist approach to Scripture is misguided, and that those who take a literalist approach are almost certain to miss the author’s intended point.
I believe gays should be able to marry, abortion in the first two trimesters of
pregnancy should be legal, marijuana laws are crazy — and that Jesus did not go around preaching against gay marriage or abortion or marijuana. At the same time, I respect the right of people to express a moral or ethical position on political issues. We cannot divorce our moral outlook from our political outlook.
I believe in limited government that protects rights and freedoms. At the same time, I believe that “we, the people” formed our government, that government is necessary, and that it should reflect our values, such as community and compassion.
I believe in personal responsibility; I also acknowledge that we human beings need one another. All of us grow older, get sick, get injured, and die. Am I my brother’s keeper? Yes. Oops — there I go expressing a moral position based at least partly on my religious faith!
I believe in meritocracy — and opportunity, and compassion. I dislike the conservative, atheistic, Ayn Rand gospel of greed and narcissism that says, “I’ve got mine, so the heck with you!”
I believe that the government, although sometimes inefficient, has the ability to do more good than any individual. Try building an Interstate Highway by yourself, and I doubt you will succeed. Try building a local road to the next town, and I’ll bet you won’t even get that far.
So yes, conservatives and liberals think differently. No one is trying to shoehorn you. Let’s admit that we view the world differently, and try to hold a respectful conversation despite our different viewpoints.
My point is that this is an oversimplification. Many of us embody both ends of the political spectrum. I would not classify myself as a conservative or a liberal. At best, I’m a socially liberal, fiscally conservative moderate who appreciates the complexity of many social issues and is willing to engage in nuanced argument.
Perhaps it should be “right wing nuts” and “bed wetting liberals” think differently. Well, duh…they don’t think rationally!
Thanks.
I’m a liberal — and I like to believe that I think rationally.
“Bed-wetting”? Duh … was that a rational comment?
Every good thing in this country has been brought about by radicals….not liberals or conservatives….Child labor laws, women’s right to vote, public highways, pensions, paid vacations, minumum wage, environmental protectios, civil rights, etc…If you are drowning 20 feet from shore a liberal will throw you a 15 foot rope….Conservative would try to sell you the rope.
It is the conservative who sells the rope to the liberal. Otherwise, he drowns.
Good ole repubs, making money off a drowning person.
Nope, making money of the liberal who isn’t willing to get wet to save somebody.
If you are drowning 20 feet from shore a liberal will invent a government entity to confiscate rope from everyone that has one, keep about 75% of it, take the rest and knot it together in a slipshod fashion and then finally throw it out to you…Conservatives will take ownership of the situation and simply throw you the rope.
There. I fixed it for you.
I have a suggestion…
Let’s stop slamming each other for a moment, and slamming the author, and see if we can get together to do something productive other than name calling.
The author appears to be suggesting that maybe, in a general way, the two sides of the argument view things differently. That doesn’t seem too big of a stretch of the imagination to me. As to precisely how those differences shape up, I think we need to keep firmly in mind the notion of “individual differences”, this is the idea that although studies may posit a trend or correlation, they do not describe each and every individual perfectly…some people may have more or less of a trait, or even not fit at all…but the idea is that there may be some general descriptive similarity.
Can we use that insight to help ourselves in any way???
Possibly.
Maybe it would be easier to see the other side of the argument if we understand a bit about how the “other side” receives information.
Something I thought interesting as I read other posters was that many talked about having changed their perspective over the course of their lives in one direction or another. To me, that made a lot of sense, I think our experiences over time do lead us to make changes in how we take in information and how we process it as does our circumstances when we are presented with information.
The overall notion that some people, or even the same person at different phases of their life, tend to hold on to their ideas a bit harder than others doesn’t seem radical to me. I think we’ve all know people who were hard to convince about things that weren’t even political, neighbors we couldn’t get through to, or the flip side, neighbors who seemed to see too many sides of an issue and who were very slow and deliberate about coming to a conclusion. I would also guess that at some point we’ve all become frustrated with each other, only to come back together later and make up…sometimes for apologies to each other for not listening to each other hard enough or even admissions that we had some block that made it hard to accept what someone was telling us. We’ve seen people in our communities that seem to be the first to advocate change and others who wouldn’t accept change if the alternative was immediate, dire, and indisputable!
I can only say from personal experience, that I have the toughest time accepting change or new ideas when I’m feeling overwhelmed, threatened, have a lot on my plate, etc. I don’t think that’s unusual. Who wants more change at times like that? I feel its easiest to accept new ideas when I’m feeling more comfortable and secure.
But I think the author may have a point…the set point for each of us…for when we close up and refuse to hear anything new or discordant and for when we open up and say, “Ok that may rock my world but I’m willing to work through it”…is really different.
I think experiences do affect that. Maybe as we age we want something more familiar, and are less willing to accept new ideas…or the flip side for many might be that getting older is freeing and with more experiences it gets easier to think about new things. Different reactions for each of us.
So this liberal v conservative thing…the one thing that is true about it for me is that it is SO DISTRACTING that we aren’t solving any of our problems. Its like a bunch of kids on the playground arguing over who gets to use the swings who argue all through recess and neither side ever gets to play by the time its time to go in!
That’s got to stop. We are better than that as Americans. We all deserve better!
Less name calling, more work on what will make things better for all of us.
And sheesh, agree with the article or disagree with it all you want, but at least value the fact that someone took some time and effort to try to find out something constructive and tell us about it so we could see if its something we might use or not.
Stephanie Itchkawich
So you’re suggesting that the author of The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science – and Reality is simply an honest and objective searcher for truth?
I’m puzzled as to why he didn’t just title the book Republicans – Booger-Eating Morons or What?
Enoughnow,
I believe that we should give the author credit for having gone to some trouble to do some research and publish results. Whether we like the conclusions or agree…that’s fine to discuss. I imagine the author finds it difficult to understand why positions that seems reasonably well supported to him, appear to be completely rejected by a large group of others. After all, the point of research is to increase understanding.
What we can do is find what is useful or valuable in it, and then go on to productive discourse.
Your last statement, while I did chuckle a bit, is perhaps an example of the point I’m trying to make. It personalizes the discussion and just leads to another potential round of name calling. We’ve really done a lot of that already as a nation, from both sides of the argument.
It seems like rather than asking ourselves, “What is the other person trying to say? What can they add? Is there anything in there I can find common cause with?” We instead seem to: Call names, question motives, assign blame, negate the value of any viewpoint but our own, question character, etc.
Would it truly be so hard to value what we don’t agree with? Find the parts we can agree on and build from there?
Even, radical suggestion this, look at our own motives for rejecting other people’s ideas out of hand? Try to open our own minds to opportunities for agreement?
And gosh forbid, that anyone advocate compromise! They are obviously wishy washy namby pamby!
We have to work together if we want to solve problems. That means respecting viewpoints other than our own.
I think we can all agree our problems are serious in this nation. We just don’t have time to keep taking pot shots at each other or scoring cheap points on each other. We don’t even really have time to keep insisting one or the other of us is correct!
We need to start listening to each other, and finding things we can work together to do. Even this bit about trading control from one party to the other…its more about power than anything else. For a few years side A gets its way, for a few years side B does…except now we’ve all stuck our feet in the ground so hard nothing is getting solved.
Let’s look everywhere and open our minds and eyes to each other! Then we might get moving on some solutions for once.
Stephanie
The author isn’t trying to understand anything. He’s attempting to marginalize his political opponents, simple as that.
He patronizingly suggests that while his side is consistently thinking great thoughts, his detractors’ limited intelligence just doesn’t allow them to appreciate liberal profundity. Hogwash.
The chasm between the sides is too wide. I’m weary of their tedious self-importance and empty ideas.
Enoughnow,
Forgive me but I think you may be reading in a bit? The author did not state any such thing. I think Conservatives are sometimes encouraged to believe this kind of thing of liberals, just as liberals are encouraged to believe conservatives are knuckle draggers, etc.
We need to depart from these scripts!
If there was any proof of that its your last statement that the chasm is too wide…I suspect the feeling is genuine for many on both sides. Why on earth do you think I’m taking the time to write stuff like this? Its to make one, small, insignificant effort to turn back the tide of beliefs that are separating us from each other!
Because if we really believe the chasm is too great, it will be! And whose fault is that? OURS! All of us that let it happen.
Look beyond the rhetoric, please. Look for places you can come together with people.
Don’t give up! Don’t put up a wall!
America is too important. Our neighbors are too important to stick our feet in the air and declare ourselves helpless in the face of an ideological difference that is dividing our nation.
Mind the Gap!
Are you suggesting that the human mind has evolved or devolved over the past 40 years to result in a left-wing society that is driving us right to the brink of oblivion? That is what must be occurring if the theory of the article is true.
I see a difference between the article, written from a liberal slant, and the original research, which simply says that conservatives and liberals see the world differently.
Of course we have different worldviews however the idea that this is somehow biological is absurd. Political opinions are , for the most part, learned.
My oldest sister is extremely conservative. The second oldest is moderately liberal. The third is moderately conservative. My late brother was strongly liberal. I’m a liberal too — and we were all raised in the same house by our same two parents. We all think we reflect our parents’ values. I don’t know how to explain that unless we have some innate tendency to see the world differently.
You are making my case for me. Clearly there is nothing innate or biological about political preferences.
No, I’m saying it wasn’t learned — not in the same household from the same parents. We all have real differences.
Why, in one family, is one brother shy and the other out-going? Is that learned? No, the two brothers were different from birth.
Why is one gay and the other straight? Were they nurtured differently? Not in any substantial way. They were different from birth.
My sister and her husband had a red-head, a blonde, and a black-haired child. All from the same two parents. And their personalities were as different as their hair color. And, as adults, their political ideas and religious ideas are all very different from one another. Since they were all nurtured the same way in the same house by the same parents, you would expect them to be alike — if nurture is the answer. But it’s not. If nurture is everything, how did they get different hair colors? Biology. We knew they were all different individuals as soon as we saw their different hair colors!
Now you are equating political differences with hair color. Absurdity rules.
No, I’m saying that the three kids all were different from birth — and that has to do with their different genetic makeup. Kids in the same families have different eye colors, different hair colors, and different personalities, right from birth. These are not things they learn from their parents, and you would be absurd if you claimed that these are learned traits.
Just as we are different from birth in these ways because of our different biological makeups, we also (like our shyness or out-going personalities) have, I believe, tendencies to see the world somewhat differently. Three kids in the same family can have different ways of being in the world. It’s basic to who they are.
You are still left with attributing political differences to genetic makeup.
LiberalSoup,
I am not suggesting that at all. Nor do I get that interpretation from the article at all.
I do personally think we are so busy lobbing names at each other that we aren’t listening to each other, or trying to work through problems that affect all of us.
Granted, people talk past each other but that s not what the “scientific study” purports. We surely do not need such a study to tell us what we already know. Instead, it is suggested that there is something innately different between liberals and conservatives and for that to be true, you would have to agree with my question to you. The premise of the article is illogical.
Liberal Soup the post immediately above was in answer to you, I inadvertently put it in the wrong spot.
Whether we need the article or not, we have it. So let’s see what can be done constructively with it. I don’t know about you, but sometimes I can use a bit of reminding about things I already “know”. :)
I’m not so sure whether I agree there is an overwhelming innate
difference between liberals and conservatives; I do think there may be
observable differences between the groups in how they process
information. As in most things, reactions tend to be a combination
between what is inherent in a person, their experiences, and their
choices in how to react to these. If they weren’t, none of us would ever
learn, grow or change our minds about anything!
I think it may be logical to look at different reasoning methodologies,
which the study suggests may be an observable difference, regardless of
what one may theorize causes those differences.
If it is true that one group more typically, not always but more often,
seeks more new solutions, and another group is more uncomfortable with
looking at novel options it may help us understand better or perhaps
present information to each other in a way that is more comfortable.
That seems worthwhile to me.
I suppose what did not come out in the article is something I suspect is
a more sociological phenomenon…this tendency we have to egg ourselves
on in support or in opposition based on our group affiliations. I think
that is a learned thing personally, although I’ve met biologists who
cite an evolutionary component to this group affiliation as a survival
mechanism.
The disturbing thing to me is that we’ve turned it into a team sport! We
may or may not have reasons behind our initial choice of a team to root
for, but once chosen our side can do no wrong and the other side must
be bums!
That kind of closed-mindedness on either side is not good for any of us I think.
I suppose what I would want to see is a practical follow on. If we do
observe this communication difference and information processing style
difference between the two groups, how do we work with it?
From the numbers of comments I see here that are somewhat upset by the
article or are very negative and blaming it on liberals for one reason
or other…I think one really important point may have been badly stated
by the author: Communication style differences exist INDEPENDENTLY of a
value judgement! I think if they’d explained that a bit better there’d
be less animus.
As with most things, good or bad is situational. A slow deliberate
careful approach that is slow to adopt new ideas can have a good result
if it is used in reviewing or examining evidence or in certain types of
inquiries. There we want people to take time and look things over
carefully. That approach may not be as useful in other situations, such
as a brainstorming session for new innovations for a product. Some
people are better at shifting from one circumstance to another, others
just don’t change tactics as quickly and easily.
I read a book a few years ago that unfortunately I can’t recall the
title for, I apologize, I’ll repost it if I can remember. What I do
recall is that it talked about workplace communication within teams. It
dealt with many of these issues and what to do and how to value the
input from each person. It had a lot of valuable things to say that were
hard to put into practice. Personally, I find it frustrating to work
with certain personalities that are more plodding and deliberate…but
interestingly I was accused of being exactly that a few weeks ago by a
co-worker who was frustrated with me! :) It was thought provoking. I
think some of it had to do with subject matter in my case. (And a bit of
it to do with my co-worker who is bright and innovative but a bit wet
behind the ears when it comes to certain practical considerations.) That
said, I think it is valuable to listen for what can be used and put
into practice from an opposing viewpoint. It would be easy for me to
dismiss my younger colleague as inexperienced, impractical, etc….but
those things aren’t really true of him in every respect, and in other
topics I find him very sound.
So no, I don’t find the article illogical. I think it may be valuable to
study these differences between us in a useful way…without value
judgements attached.
But I do think we need to stop acting as though every idea anyone
articulates has to be the perfect, fully formed, be all end all. I doubt
any author, no matter how much they try to present full and helpful
views, would claim that they have the be all end all.
I do think its useful to come back to the community, us, and say,
“Here’s some things I’ve noticed and some possible reasons for them.
Talk about it and see what you think.”
I think this is why we don’t progress towards solutions. The minute one
side or the other offers an idea…partially good, partially bad, warts
and all… we open fire on them and toss the entire thing out because it
didn’t come fully formed, perfumed, in all its glory, perfect in every
respect…most importantly, from the group we endorse!
Instead, I think all too often the response is hyper-critical: its not
perfect, it doesn’t explain every possible example, the author is from a
group I don’t like…etc. Sure, let’s evaluate and think critically,
but lets not lambaste someone for trying to share with us. Provide
helpful criticism for future efforts.
But, for goodness sakes look at the useful bits! We are throwing the
baby out with the bathwater! Real problem solving is difficult and
includes bits and pieces, trying things out, keeping the parts that work
tossing the rest, and encouraging each other to keep working towards
the best option even if we take turns falling on our faces along the
way.
I’m beginning to think if someone every came up with the cure for the
common cold, cancer, and a perfect economic theory and had the
misfortune to label it as either liberal or conservative it’d die a
rapid death unread.
Silliness.
You fail to understand the definition of the word “theory.” “Theory” of gravity. So supported by evidence that we take it for granted. However still a “Theory.”
A scientific theory is a set of principles that explain and predict phenomena. Scientists create scientific theories with the scientific method, when they are originally proposed as hypotheses and tested for accuracy through observations and experiments.Once a hypothesis is verified, it becomes a theory.
I think this is the biggest pile of crap I have read in some time.
I really enjoy Chris Mooney’s work, but these don’t seem like conservative-liberal issues. These are just human differences, and for this particular slice of history, the closure-bias is better represented in one political party than another. If you studied a group of eco-terrorists, for instance, you might find that they are closure-biased. We could conceivably find that there are a lot of guns rights advocates that enjoy new experiences and talking with people from different points of view. It’s only really a problem when closure bias reaches the point where dissenters must be purged.
Conservatives have been increasingly, harshly authoritarian for the past twenty years, to their own detriment, but it could just as easily be left-wingers who are authoritarian twenty years from now.
Sure, you can wave your passport and deny the study as false but you’re missing the bigger picture. The writer isn’t trying to define liberals as risk takers and conservatives as wall flowers, it’s meant as an abstract look at how we define our decisions. Of course there are those conservatives out there that like to go and try new restaurants and things and there’s those liberals that prefer to stay at home and not be social. For example, just like horoscopes, you’re going to meet up with the majority of traits most likely that you associate yourself with but not everything is going to match up but it doesn’t change the fact that a Virgo is a Virgo or a Gemini is a Gemini.
Taking it at a purely observance, this is what they’ve been able to acquire out of watching and observing several of peoples’ actions, it’s just a study, it’s not defining who you are as a person. That’s not the point of the study. The human mind is filled with emotion and bases our decisions off those reactions, how our minds are wired are all, obviously, unique due to our genetics and different strands of traits, but we share common traits and reactions as well. Shooting the article down as “Just another study done by Liberals to describe what they can’t understand” is just being closed minded. The reason why Liberals shoot down ideas isn’t because they’re Liberals, if that was the case, the same could be same for Conservatives.
I appreciate what you are saying. I would add that these studies were done through new brain imaging techniques. The info that the writers speaks to are actual pictures of how different brains respond to various stimuli. Quite interesting and it is only the beginning.
Human differences, which everyone seems to be based on reading all the comments, a need to rally against each other in a feudal bloodbath of “Your side’s wrong and Mine is right!”
Too bad they couldn’t meet somewhere in the middle, stuff would actually get done……
Liberals and conservatives vote differently because they have a different belief system. Conservatives do not want the government taking care of them. Liberals want the government to take over their lives. If liberals are so eager to be adventurous, then why do they need so much intrusion from the government in their lives. Something is really wrong with the studies cited.
you mean like republicans/conservatives in a good many states is this country wanting government to get between a decision that should be made by a woman and her doctor>
i sense government intrusion and hypocrisy
I don’t suppose it has crossed anybody’s mind that a society needs both: those open to trying new things and those who value stability and structure.
If everything was constantly changing there would be no stability. Prosperity requires stability If everything stayed always the same there would be no progress. Prosperity requires exploration.
The point the article missed is that today the two groups refuse to respect each other ,will not work together and refuse to see the they are two sides to the same coin.
Very good, I like your points about needing both sides. I would say both forces. However, what I have seen is that the liberals have bent over backwards to accommodate the conservatives in order to legislate for the country and the conservatives just keep moving more and more to the right.
For anything to get done, there has to be a give and take. On the Republican side I see no give.
I have read about these studies elsewhere. I think that they are valuable and a good beginning to understand human nature.
Oh good Now they’re saying we’re brain damaged/insane. Not too far from how Stalin treated disserters. As far as “openness,” just see how much a liberal in Augusta varies from any issue at all in the party line. I’ve lived among all kinds of people. Often times you find some grizzled Vietnam veteran living in a Nowheresville Maine trailer has way more diverse and surprising opinions than news pundits like this.
Your attempt to categorize “Climate Change” as settled science is repulsive, in the fact that you try to make this a battle of ideals rather than something based on actual data.
The fact of the matter is, climate science is a relatively young study, and requires much more evidence and thought. To say that CO2 is our primary cause of climate change, is just plain crazy. Plants breathe CO2, and in terms of biomass, plants outnumber animals. When our atmosphere had more CO2 concentration levels, plants flourished even more than they do now, which allows support for more animal life as well.
But science and politics agree that global warming is “settled science”, and they offer more rules and regulations that is supposed to “alleviate” the global climate change “problem”? To what ends? All this will result in, is more control of the government over its citizens. Nothing more. It is a scam used to enforce more stringent control over us lowly plebeians.
So what is a liberal? What is a conservative?
Do you (as a liberal” believe in the liberal distribution of guns?
Do “conservatives” believe unequivocally in all of our “rights?” as outlined in the constitution?
I am a conservative because I believe in “conservative” spending. This includes the spending on our foreign adventurres abroad like Kuwait, Iraq and Nicaragua. Conservatives like Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich and Rick Sanctorm disagree. So who is the real conservative.
I suggest that there are probably no pure liberals, and no pure conservatives…. Where does that leave your thesis?
Mr. Snyder, it is true what you mentioned here. My husband and I were reading your comment and began to discuss our “Conservativeness” and “Liberalness”. We agreed that “what’s in a name, anyway”. We find ourselves in a position that we despise (some of) Obama’s policies, and also did not agree with G. H. W. Bush on a lot of his policies, either, but easy-as-it-goes and eliminating most foreign spending tactics the US gives away to over 192 foreign countries – and for what? I think we believe (as some posters do here) that it takes both – and more – like “Independents” and “Green’s” and all those “in-betweens” to have voting preferences. From time in its beginning, people were this and that, for and against, positive and negative, doves and saber-rattlers, etc.