As Father’s Day approaches, it may be time to rethink the question of a father’s rights and responsibilities, to take some of our most cherished and unexamined slogans and see if they are fair. (This is a dangerous prospect: Obviously there is a reason that we cherish and don’t examine our slogans.)

Take for instance the idea of “a woman’s right to choose.” I believe absolutely that a woman should decide whether to terminate or go forward with a pregnancy. The man’s opinion is only secondary, and if there is a conflict, entirely negligible.

But is this fair? The social scientist Dalton Conley wrote a provocative op-ed, “A Man’s Right to Choose” in The New York Times on this subject a few years ago. He wrote, “But when men and women engage in sexual relations both parties recognize the potential for creating life. If both parties willingly participate then shouldn’t both have a say in whether to keep a baby that results?”

His reasoning sounds sensible, but the practical question of what to do if they violently disagree seems to demand a more tangible plan for resolution, and it’s this I discussed with him over coffee last week. As a thought experiment, I tried to imagine I was having an irresolvable conflict with a man over an accidental pregnancy. I told Conley I just don’t see a compromise: It has to be the woman’s choice.

He said, “Then the man shouldn’t be responsible for the baby.”

Earlier in our conversation, Conley had said he is drawn to taboo, to getting people to re-examine received wisdom. I thought some more about this hypothetical baby. “You are asking people not just to rethink things but to refeel them.”

He said, “Well, I am asking people to put aside their feelings and think in a more rational way.”

Here is another way to frame the problem: Legally a woman should have a right to choose, but morally, the territory is more shadowy. Should a man have no say at all in whether one night in bed with someone ends in a child?

Maybe we can assert that the woman should have the ultimate legal right to choose, but at the same time admit that right is very complicated and charged and morally fraught, that choosing something against the will of the man involved is an act of some degree of unfairness; it may be a necessary act but not an entirely unambiguous one. Our tendency is to give to the pregnant woman the moral high ground, whatever she chooses, but there may be a more honest, rigorous interpretation that does not involve high ground and instead involves the ambiguous murk in which most of the rest of our lives take place.

The problem Conley isolates in the absoluteness of the slogan “A woman’s right to choose” is in the tone, a certain tenor of self-congratulation, a politically charged certainty, a lack of tolerance for the thorniness and moral challenges of the statement.

In a certain sense, all of this was simpler in the days when a baby was simply an accepted risk of sex — if everyone knew and understood and agreed that if you fell into bed with someone there might be a baby (or, if it was 1890, that you might die in childbirth). But now, after Roe vs. Wade, and in what Updike once called our “post-pill paradise,” most liberal youngish people don’t accept that idea, and operate under the general assumption, after a couple of glasses of wine, that you can go home with someone and not end up with 18 years of bills for diapers and babysitters and Lego ninjas.

One of Conley’s more whimsical solutions to this impasse, in the conversation we had about it, was that people should download an app, a sort of contract before having sex, in which they agree to what they would do if a baby were conceived. This seems impractical, as well as anti-romantic and anti-aphrodisiac. There are some things that are better left not talked about, and what you would do if you accidentally conceived a child seems like it might be one of them.

However it’s hard to entirely dismiss Conley’s argument, based as he says on Enlightenment ideas linking rights and responsibilities, that if the man has no say whatsoever in whether the baby is born, he shouldn’t be held responsible for child support. This is another idea that comes up against absolutes that many of us would find hard to surrender: Namely that a man is financially responsible for his child. However, is that always and ubiquitously fair?

Again, in a practical world how could we enforce the idea that a man who didn’t really want a child wasn’t responsible for the child? How many deadbeat dads would step forward with their reluctance, their ambivalence, as a way to worm their way out of responsibility? It is very hard to see how this could be written into law, the didn’t-want-him argument, without wide-scale abuse and harm to the children involved. On the other hand, it might be reasonable to recognize that there is a certain amount of unfairness at play. There is the possibility that a woman who has a baby against a man’s will should in some moral, if not legal universe, claim financial responsibility for that child.

Now that the majority of babies born to women under 30 are born to single mothers, the real-world corollaries of these abstractions are going to come up more and more. As the complicated or messy circumstances become more common, the questions arising from them need to be, if not answered, then at least asked.

Katie Roiphe, professor at the Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute at New York University, is the author most recently of “Uncommon Arrangements: Seven Marriages,” and the forthcoming “In Praise of Messy Lives.

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  1. “There are some things that are better left not talked about, and what you would do if you accidentally conceived a child seems like it might be one of them”…..  If you haven’t had the “what if” talks with someone, you shouldn’t be hopping into bed with them. Period. End of Story.

  2. Thoughtful article. Easily the first feeling that comes to mind is that both are responsible, regardless of the circumstance. However, it does present a good argument to say the circumstance and feelings of both parties should be considered. The problem with that argument is that our society is (was) a family based society, with family based rules. As time moves forward, we have become less of a family unit, and less responsible, opening the door for this argument.

    If a person were to accept the argument, they would also have to accept the loss of the family unit concept, and the consequences of restructuring extend further than within our own homes.

    1. Wholehearterly agree facts are that the family unit has already broken down. One half of all children born to under 30 are born out of wedlock. These conversations are over due. Mothers have been liberated and men have been more enslaved by the system of dead beat dads.

  3. I believe that it is a “woman’s right to choose” so long as it is not a basis for birth control. While the pregnancy resides within a woman’s body, it should be her decision because of everything that happens to a woman during pregnancy. That being said, IF the father in this situation decides he wants a termination or adoption (and his willingness to provide the means to that end) and is adamant on that throughout, he should thereby have no rights or responsibilities (including financial support) if the mother decides to keep the pregnancy and follow through with keeping the child. It is the woman’s right to choose whether or not to terminate, it is the man’s right to choose to support or leave without consequence on either party.

  4. In our sick society, surly its ok for those who have killed over 53 million unborn children, to have total say over a Child.

  5. I seriously doubt these people are taking both sides of this coin into consideration. If the man has equal say, what happens when she wants to keep the baby and he wants an abortion? I guarantee there are more men that are for the abortion than against it.

    1. That was taken into consideration.  ”
      He said, “Then the man shouldn’t be responsible for the baby.”” If he doesn’t want the baby and she does, then she is taking full responsibility for the child and he should be off the hook. If she can decide to kill the baby he wants, if she wants the baby and he doesn’t then it’s her choice to raise the baby alone.

      1. The problem is that men will never have equal say.  If men had a womb, and were capable of carrying a child to term, that would be more grounds for equality. 

        1.  a man can claim he wants his genetic material back if the woman has misused it for purposes unintended(to create a child) instead of lubricant as intended then what? its theft if she keeps it and misuses it..

        2. Biological differences are an unacceptable excuse for denying equality with regards to hiring in physically demanding jobs such as firefighters, construction workers, paramedics, etc. Doesn’t matter the risk to potential clients should the woman’s physical limitations get in the way. But this is rather irrelevant, given nobody is actually discussing forcing a woman to have an abortion, or carry to term against her will here. But some people are soo opposed to men being included in the right to equality, they kneejerk at the first mention of it with whatever is the closest excuse they can think of to oppose it.

        1.  if the woman has the right to an abortion then the man has the right not to be financially responsible, the only time you can say a man is financially responsible is if it becomes a legal child at conception which would make abortion murder and completely turn over Roe VS WADE…

    1. That’s fine but if a child is conceived and the woman chooses to keep it against the wishes of the father he should be able to sign away his rights and be absolved of all responsibility including financial.  Period!

    2.  I agree 100 percent and it SHOULD be her choice and her choice alone. However if you hold to that then how can you justify going after the father to pay for a decision he has ZERO say in? If the right is good for the mother then you can not deny the same right for the father to bow out if he chooses right?

  6. I’ve had this conversation with my misses many times over.  I’ve known men who wanted to keep children but the women had abortions.  It was heartbreaking to be around them when this took place it truly was.  If women want the right to choose I’m ok with that but both parties laid down not just the men and as such both parties need to accept a certain amount of responsibility to each other in regards to the decision making.

  7. If people would just take responsibility BEFORE they have sex to insure that an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy does not occur this would be less of an issue.  How anyone in this day and age gets pregnant when they don’t want to is beyond me (and I’m not talking about rape or incest, etc.)  Sex can equal a child…. DUH…..either don’t have sex or take precautions to insure that if you do have sex…..an ‘accident’ does not occur……OY!

    1.  the truth is that these are no longer “accidents” they are a payday for women, a 20 year long payday, where i am if a guy lives with a woman and her kids he can be sued for child support at the judges discretion EVEN IF SHE IS ALREADY RECEIVING IT!!!!! yes thats right they are allowed to double dip in canada,, and you wonder why there are all these “accidental” pregnancies….

      Payday Payday Payday….

      1. I think that is a little optimistic, as child support isn’t all that much money when you consider baby expenses. But for someone who wants a baby one way or the other, a baby plus paycheck is a far better option than a baby alone, let alone paying a fertility clinic for a baby with no chance of getting a paycheck.

        1.  what you are missing is that they can get child support from the biological dad and the next guy and the next guy and the next guy and it amounts to 30% per child of his grosse earnings up to a maximum of 70% so 2 kids and hes screwed try and tell me thats not a payday? not enuf to cover a childs costs? are you kidding? its more than the guy will get to live on….

        1.  never fear when they start asking about moving in together i start looking elsewhere because im very upfront about that particular trap…


    2. If people would just take responsibility BEFORE they have sex to insure that an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy does not occur this would be less of an issue.”

      Being less of an issue still doesn’t change the fact it would still be an issue. and issues need to be dealt with before they get worst.

      “How anyone in this day and age gets pregnant when they don’t want to is beyond me”

      Makes you wonder how many of those “accidents” really are “accidents”. And when you consider that, it really makes you wonder why men aren’t given more rights in this regards.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2056875/Liz-Jones-baby-craving-drove-steal-husbands-sperm-ultimate-deception.html 

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2059548/Four-men-reveal-trauma-dad-deception.html 

      1. Ummm I have yet to meet a woman – who all by herself has gotten pregnant….Boys you can either wrap it up, not have sex or have a vasectomy….all I know is that I would NOT rely on the other person to insure there would be no accidents……it takes two to make a child….so it should take two to insure that there is no child by accident.

        1. OR we can have equality with womens choices?

          i wrapped it when my GF accidentally poked holes in it tyvm
          surgical alteration is not required of women or would you deny them abortion?

           roe vs wade actually made laws so we dont “have to keep it in our pants” if you keep saying that then deny women their right to abortion because this is what they were told when they requested this right and feminists fought against it and won so “keep it in your pants” doesnt fly here or anywhere the supreme court has already decided on that one……

          let me even quote it for you
          ” When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected
          to ‘involuntary servitude’ in violation of the Thirteenth
          Amendment….[E]ven if the woman has stipulated to have consented to the
          risk of pregnancy, that does not permit the state to force her to remain
          pregnant

  8. There is a problem with this mode of thought. A lot of our culture believes that because the woman undergoes the physical and emotional changes during preganancy, it is our responsibility to respect them with compliance in whatever decision that they decide to make.

    Eye for an Eye.

    The only way that we can make sure that the man is completely able to make the decision about the future of the child is to genetically engineer them with a womb, with all the other bits and pieces. Only then, will things be equal.

    1. Standard opposition to including men in the whole equality bit. nobody is asking for control over ACTUAL abortion or carrying to term, this is a discussion of men’s responsibility, largely that of financial responsibility. how does having a womb affect financial responsibility in any way? The fact is, as is always the case in this discussion, you are attempting to twist this from a discussion of men’s choice to walk away and leave the woman with the responsibility SHE CHOOSE to accept, and twist that into opposing a man’s option to control the course of her pregnancy. This distorts the discussion to something it never was, for the sole purpose of ensuring female entitlement continues unopposed. Why not try to actually debate the real points? But as Funcaz says about, noone ever can.

  9. Catch 22 here. If a woman can  force the father to pay for a child he does not want then a father should be able to get the child the mother does not want.

    1.  go one better the father who is assumed to support the child should have first rights of custody as well before the mother and should get custody unless he doesnt want it,, where are all the fathers? ok now you got em and women will have to pay the support…fixt!

    1. men have suffered in silence with this situation for decades while many women reaped the rewards and we are sick of it,, btw it becomes nobody elses business the second theres no laws forcing men to pay and subsidize womens choices,, thats when it becomes nobody elses business ,, when womens choices have no consequence for anyone else(including the unborn) thats when it becomes nobodies business,, till then its EVERYONES business…..

    2. That would all be fine and dandy if there weren’t LAWS IN PLACE TO DO JUST THAT! Courts order support payments and enforce those orders with threat of jail (debtors prisons, otherwise deemed unconstitutional, except for men). so unless you are suggesting the laws for support and custody also be dismantled, then you’r setting up an female centric exception, clearly self interested. Remember, this isn’t a pro-life/pro-choice discussion, this is a men’s rights discussion, and what you’re saying is that men shouldn’t have any rights, they should only have the consequences of a woman’s choice.

  10. I’ve never heard a rational argument against allowing a man to relinquish all reponsibility and obligations toward a child he never wanted in the first place .

    So really , if a man can simply tell a woman right from the start “Okay … have the baby .  I’m not paying for anything more than half the cost of an abortion if you change your mind . ” we can actually avoid an awful lot of expense , trouble , and time .   She can actually factor that in to her decision on whether or not to proceed with or terminate the pregnancy . 

    Oh , and by the way , how many single young mothers are on welfare ?  Many (maybe even most) but their inability to pay a dime doesn’t get them thrown in prison .  We don’t demand that they pay back any of that money either .  Where does her financial responsibility begin ?  Yes , it’s a rhetorical question because in theory at least , she’s supposed to be too busy taking care of the kid for the first few years to get any sort of full time work .
    Nevertheless , they could trade responsibilities couldn’t they ?  She has the kid , he gets custody , she gets the job and pays support  , he stays home and collects welfare .  Sounds ridiculous right ? 

    For some reason , it’s not ridiculous when millions of women do it .


  11. How many deadbeat dads would step forward with their reluctance, their ambivalence, as a way to worm their way out of responsibility?”

    I suspect that number will be around the same as the number of women, with their reluctance, their ambivalence, as they worm their way out of responsibility by having abortions… or do you see these two as different? Granted, you may see more men doing so, given women generally know when they and/or the man are properly using birth control, a man only knows of his own proper use, and can easily be deceived by a woman wanting a baby he doesn’t… and there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate this happens often enough to be a concern.

    “It is very hard to see how this could be written into law, the didn’t-want-him argument, without wide-scale abuse and harm to the children involved. ”

    All of a sudden the concern for the child comes into play. Awfully convenient that concern for the child doesn’t begin until after the woman gets her shot at opting out, don’t you think? I guess vacuming the child out of the womb doesn’t produce any abuse or harm to the child involved, right? The reason this is an issue is because of where you have chosen to draw the line, a women gets to choose before birth, a man doesn’t get to choose until after. That’s the line you’ve drawn… but the fact is, the man should be getting to choose before birth too (and if he doesn’t, that’s because he was kept out of the process, and thus the woman has already chosen to take on the responsibilities themselves (and so, reneging on that is not acceptable). So if the man gets to opt out at the same time the woman does (before birth), then where is the problem? the woman can still make the choice to abort, else she CHOOSES to take on the financial burden solo, and does so going into it. The only abuse or harm that comes to the child is due to the mothers own choices, not any irresponsibility from the fathers. 

    But of course, our society is unwilling to hold women responsible for anything, so a man must always be found to lay the blame.

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