BANGOR, Maine — Police worked well into the night Monday as they sought to identify three people found dead hours earlier inside a badly burned car in the back parking lot of a local business.
“It takes time,” Bangor Police Chief Ron Gastia said as he was leaving the grisly scene Monday afternoon. “We’re still working it.”
He said “it’s been a long time” since his department has had to deal with three bodies.
“Anytime we get something like this it’s a tragedy and it takes some time to put things together,” he said. “It has to take time in order to be thorough in what we do.”
Gastia added that even after the victims are identified, detectives will “verify and reverify” the names before they are released.
Bangor is one of the safest cities of its size, Gastia said, crediting the community, the City Council and his officers for their work.
“We’re going to solve this,” he vowed.
Police identified the year and make of the car — a white 2001 Pontiac sedan with Rhode Island plates — on Monday night.
Bangor resident Shannon Lee arrived at the scene just before 7 p.m. after speaking with detectives about the father of her daughter. She said she thinks he was in the destroyed car.
“I couldn’t get ahold of him all night and his girlfriend called at like 5:30 a.m.” looking for him, she said. “Someone saw him get into a white Pontiac with Rhode Island plates at a party last night” with another female friend, who is 25 and from Bangor.
The father of her child is 26 and from Levant. She said police have asked that she bring her 7-year-old daughter to the police station on Tuesday so they can get a DNA sample.
“I’ll bring her down for a mouth swab and we’ll see,” Lee said. “I know in my heart that it is him.”
She added that “no one has heard from [the 25-year-old woman].”
The car fire took place early Monday morning in the back parking lot of Automatic Distributors, a parts and equipment wholesaler for motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, snowmobiles and other outdoor activities, at 22 Target Industrial Circle, located off Outer Hammond Street.
Bangor police Sgt. Paul Edwards asked for the public’s help in piecing together clues regarding the car’s whereabouts before the fire.
“We’re now asking if anyone has seen this car, perhaps last night or anytime, in their city to please give us a call,” he said. “If you know anyone or have seen anybody driving a white 2001 four-door Pontiac with Rhode Island plates, please call.”
No detail is too small to report, the sergeant said. The Rhode Island license plate on the car had the registration number 583-399. Rhode Island State Police said Monday that they do not release vehicle registration information to the public.
Even though the car is registered in the Ocean State, “I’m not saying it’s from Rhode Island,” Edwards said.
Police also spent time Monday reviewing video surveillance images taken by area businesses at the time of the fire.
A person is visible on surveillance images taken from Automatic Distributors, employee Gary Shaw said Monday morning.
“They did see one person running away,” he said as the Bangor Police Department’s three mobile crime units moved into the business’s parking lot.
While Edwards said he could not say what was on the video, he did confirm that detectives took a copy and, if needed, would release images later in the investigation.
“If this case boils down to looking for a certain person and there is video of a certain person that we think might be related, we’ll do that,” the sergeant said. “But until that time, there will be [no video images released].”
Even though the car has out-of-state plates, Edwards said, investigators believe there may be a local connection.
“No arrests have been made in this case, as of yet,” he said, standing just in front of the yellow police line.
Shaw said he saw the store’s video images and said the woman who first reported the fire also is pictured.
“We saw her pull in and pull back,” the Automatic Distributors employee said.
Radio announcer Kat Walls said she dialed 911 shortly after 3:30 a.m. after she saw the flames while on her way to work. She kept her distance because of loud crackling.
“It was fully engulfed when I saw it. There was lots of popping and small booms,” Walls said. “It was hard to tell it was a car at times because it was so engulfed.”
“Bangor firefighters arrived and extinguished the car and soon thereafter found three people inside,” Edwards said.
Bangor police were called to the scene about 3:55 a.m., after firefighters made their grisly discovery.
The blaze was hot enough to burst the car’s windows and pop its tires, leaving the charred shell of the Pontiac with its hood up.
Walls said that it never occurred to her that people had died and that she learned about the bodies when a detective arrived during her morning show at 97.1 the Bear.
“It was horrifying — the idea that I sat there and waited for the Fire Department while people were burning inside. I’m struggling with it, actually. It feels horrible,” she said.
On Monday evening, police were still processing the vehicle and working to identify the victims.
“They’re going through it and sifting through debris,” Edwards said. “It’s very tedious.”
The process could take awhile, he said, adding that the identifications are “probably going to rely on DNA, [and] that’s very difficult.”
When asked if the vehicle’s listed owner was contacted, Edwards said no but added that police do not believe the registered owner was in the car.
By 1:30 p.m. Monday, all three victims had been removed from the car by the medical examiner and evidence technicians from the Bangor Police Department.
Earlier, police were seen removing the first charred body, which appeared to be that of a woman. The only detail Edwards would release about the victims is that they were not young children.
“It’s still undetermined — age, sex, name,” Edwards said Monday night. “The medical examiner will release that” once the autopsies are complete.
Whether those inside the vehicle were deceased before the fire is a question Edwards was unable to answer.
“I cannot say that,” he said. “The medical examiner will be able to do that.”
As of 5:30 p.m. Monday, there was no obvious evidence collected, such as spent shell casings, that would indicate a firearm was used, Edwards said, stressing evidence technicians would probably work well into the night.
“They’re still working the car,” Edwards said. “I have nothing as far as evidence inside the car.”
Portable lights delivered by the Bangor Fire Department to assist police in the processing of the vehicle arrived at 6:40 p.m.
When asked whether anybody was in the front seat of the burned-out car, Edwards said he could not say. But when the first body was removed, an evidence technician could be seen attending to the body from the driver’s seat. The remains were removed from the passenger side.
The deaths are suspicious, the sergeant said, but the state medical examiner’s office “will determine later today or tomorrow whether it’s a homicide.”
The bodies were taken Monday afternoon to the state medical examiner’s office in Augusta, Edwards said.
Earlier, another employee of Automatic Distributors described the scene, which was visible from the business’s side windows, in two words. “It’s horrible,” he said, asking that his name not be used.
Stratham Tire manager Jeff Gordon said he was called in to work by police, who wanted to look at the business’s video surveillance images.
“You just see the lights [from vehicles] going in, two or three sets, and then the blaze,” Gordon said.
The types of vehicles and the license plates are not distinguishable in the images taken from across the street, he said.
“They were going past and one went in and another went in and then you see the blaze,” Gordon said. “The next thing you see is the Fire Department arriving.”
The business’s cameras run 24 hours a day, he said.
Edwards said that one of the license plates on the car in which the bodies were found “burned off and fell on the ground.”
The front bumper of the car was essentially undamaged, but the rest of the car was destroyed by flames.
Maine State Police Trooper Josh D’Angelo and his dog, K-9 Junior, were on the scene Monday morning scouring the area for clues. Five officers and detectives could be seen around 7:30 a.m. taking pictures of the burned car, with the bodies still inside.
Dr. Ed David of the state medical examiner’s office arrived about 7:40 a.m. and reviewed the scene along with Bangor police detectives and evidence technicians and fire investigators from the state fire marshal’s office.
While the medical examiner works on the victims, detectives with Bangor’s Criminal Investigation Division are working the streets, Edwards said Monday afternoon.
“They’re out on the road following up on leads,” he said. “There is plenty of things to do.”
Two minivans from Kiley & Foley Funeral Service arrived just before 2 p.m. to remove the three bodies.
Three Maine Department of Environmental Protection officials arrived at 10:30 a.m. to put up a tent, one driver said, for evidence protection.
Assistant Maine Attorney General Andrew Benson arrived, reviewed the scene and then left about 12:30 p.m.
Several people, including Brewer resident Bill Wiggin, stopped by the scene to see what was happening behind the yellow police line.
“This is truly a tragic situation,” he said, adding that he read the Bangor Daily News’ online story and was drawn to the scene.
Police said they want to talk to anyone who was in the area between 3 and 3:30 a.m.
The Police Department’s Criminal Investigations Division and the state fire marshal’s office are investigating.
BDN photographer Gabor Degre and The Associated Press contributed to this report.



My heart goes out to the friends and family of these 3 individuals!
I feel for the woman who thinks her daughter’s father may be one of the victims. What a thing to possibly have to explain to a 7 year old. :o(
I also hope that Kat Walls is able to come to peace with the fact that there was nothing she could do for those in the car. With the intensity of the fire when she came upon it, she may have been badly harmed herself if she realized there were people inside, and tried to help.
Wow. Once again, what is happening to our city?
bath salts, gang related crime, THOSE people….going into the gutter
Wiggerism. White Trashism. That’s what is happening.
Geez, I’ll be interested to see what happened here. That’s terrible.
It’s not terrible. Why does everyone keep saying that?
End result is at least 4 people involved in drugs are off the streets. This is a GOOD thing, not a tragedy.
This is really sad! What an awful way to die…lets hope that this was some kind of awful accident and not a crime! I am sorry to the families of the deceased people…thoughts and prayers are with you.
Let’s not, like every other suspicious death, jump to conclusions here. Let the detectives do their job!
Look at reality again car just explodes-right
I obviously don’t know what happened but it was muggy last night and maybe to warn to sleep comfortably. I think its fair to say an engine can overheat if left idling too long…quicker if the AC is running. Finding a car with people sleeping in random lots around Bangor is not uncommon this time of year.
I hope you are right. Tragic regardless.
They just updated the article, and said they saw two or three vehicles pulling in and then the fire, this after reviewing the tape from the business. Sad
Look at the picture. The paint on the front of the hood is mostly undamaged. Fire starting in the engine compartment would have ruined the whole hood. This fire started in the passenger compartment.
My comment was prior to any pictures of the car being posted.
Article updated, two to three vehicles pulled in and left.
Only if the media is trying to sell GM products and are blaming Toyotas for sudden explosions
The location is pretty suspicious – a dead-end industrial street on a Sunday night.
It’s not a dead end. It’s a loop and the parking lot was close to one end of the loop.
You’re right, I was thniknig of Dowd Rd. off of Odlin Rd.
But it was out back, pretty quiet out there
Whatever happened, I hope they were dead before the fire, because fire would be a horrible way to go. Not that most of them are much more pleasant.
OK….my jaw dropped……wow. So many terrible things happening in Bangor.
How can all of you people go ahead and assume this is because of drugs or money?… 3 people have lost their lives and now their families have to deal with the loss of their loved ones. How rude and inconsiderate of you.. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for making accusations about this, when at this point you have NO IDEA why or how this happened.
A!
Maybe it wasn’t drugs or money, but it is safe to assume that this was a crime. Based on the circumstances (what little we know), this was probably not an accident or due to some mechanical malfunction.
How horrible. Well, this situation looks like something bad went down. Why did the camera show two or three sets of car lights at three in the morning in a remote parking lot?Someone was not on a milk run for morning cereal I bet.
rockwoodgirl, this sounds VERY, VERY fishy! Three people dead in a burning car? I mean flash fires just don’t RANDOMLY happen.
Surely, looks like murder.
It’s not an unreasonable assumption.
well rockwoodgirl, its because we live in bangor, and know what goes on there.
Now we know the car plates were not from Maine. Do you care to change your tune? Drugs may not be a problem in Rockwood, but they are in our larger cities like Bangor.
Who says I live in Rockwood??? I am simply making a point that if any of these people were your family members or friends you wouldn’t want the talked about and assumptions made about them….
If people choose to enter the seedier side of life, that is their choice. This is the very example of what happens when you make that choice. Unfortunately, The family and friends do get hurt in these situations and are helpless because they do not want their help. It is tragic for all involved. What gets me is how naive you are to not have an inkling that something bad went down here.
I am not naive to the fact that something like this happened. I could happen anywhere. Even in Rockwood. I lived in a city 4x the size of Bangor and I am AWARE of what happens. I was simply just trying to speak for the families of these victims. It is a horrible situation all around and for people to insinuate that it was drug related is in bad taste. Maybe it was, Maybe it wasn’t. Maybe we will never know. Bless the victims and their families.
You express hatred and judgement. While most of us just want to talk about the possibilities.
WOW, I didn’t think hatred and judgement related to empathy and sympathy…….
Don’t argue with speculative trolls. It’s the internet.
Well, I gotta suspect if it were the
Patriarca family they are used this sort of things.
Until the names are released are your assumptions any better than anyone elses ?
How about your common sense ?
Possible reasons a Maine resident might be in a car with non-Maine plates:
regular car in the shop and have a rental/loaner
moved here in the past year and have not gotten around to registering in the state of maine
visiting family from out of state and in their car (in August, go figure)
stolen
armchair detectives, unite in detailed analysis and eliminate conjecture! come on, all you CSI fans must have critical thinking skills to show off!
Could you also make some lists on:
-why they were in the parking lot at 3:30 in the morning
-why they couldn’t get out of the car while it was on fire
-why other headlights happen to be seen leaving the scene at the same time
I’m not trying to make any assumptions at all, it just doesn’t look like an accident.
i think its lolipop guild gang related
larger cities, ha ha
it seems to me that way…there were apparently cars that were seen just before the car fire.
There are only two races on this planet-the intelligent and the stupid. I might be stupid but i’m smart enough to know that something doesn’t seem right with this story. I’m not trying to jump the gun here but they were not setting there in back of a closed business in a car with out of state plates having a picnic. This smells like foul play.
Assuming foul play isn’t jumping the gun, based on what we’ve been told.
It’s those who automatically go to the drugs side of things that are making assumptions based on no info. Yes, it may very well be drug related. It could also be some sort of love triangle/jealousy murder/suicide thing, a random act of violence, or some other bizarre thing that we haven’t thought about.
I don’t believe i made reference to drugs in any of my comment. I did say that something is not right. I do believe that this will be a crime related incident. Drugs, not sure. Odd, for sure.
I wasn’t saying YOU assumed drugs. I was saying that those who are, before the facts have come out, are jumping the gun. I’m sorry if my response came across differently than I intended it to.
No post claims it is definitely linked to drugs. Many of us witnessing the current state of the state – expect drugs to be involved.
Do you? All I’ve read have been guesses – presumptions. No finger pointing, except to presume that this is drug related – to which I share the same belief.
It is a tragedy. No one has attempted to make it sound like anything less with glib comments. It’s a horrible thing just to read that a young mother says the father of her child is believed to be one the victims.
I’m more curious about who is going to come up with the most ridiculous theory on here… Let the arm chair detectives speak!
i am working on it
They are working on it…So far we have drugs & money, mob hit, making meth, faulty car part, over heated car and of course the liberals did it.
Forget drugs and money for a second… What if this was a domestic violence murder /suicide?? Would all your comments and glib remarks be thrown out there?? I’d like to think not… Three humans lost their lives, and posters on here immediately call them out to be potential losers/druggies/welfare people… Start asking what is wrong with YOU… That’s right, I said CHECK YOURSELF!!~!! The utter lack of compassion and humanity. As well as the flagrant ignorance is sickening…
V.
Isnt it like the same how some assume that it was drugs and you assume its domestic violence? just sayin
He’s not “assuming” anything. He’s just saying there are other possible scenarios!
No one knows – yet. But, I’d like to bet that drugs are involved. Just about everything happening around Bangor and the state, is linked to the current drug epidemic.
Exactly! That is why we are assuming it has something to do with it. Also may have absolutely nothing to do with it who knows. But I mean why wouldnt we think that?
It’s a safe bet on all cases we’ve read about over the past few years, all had a drug connection. Stabbings, shootings, robberies, burglaries, hold-ups, unpaid bills – whatever. All are tied to drugs.
We have a major problem, and it appears to be getting worse. It’s not just Pot. People are snorting, sticking, sniffing, or, stuffing something into their system seeking that ecstatic out of this world mind boiler. Too much booze is bad enough, but man alive, when people are running for their lives being chased by five-legged rats, and banzai bats – it’s time straighten out.
As for your presumption, I’m betting this whole case is wrapped around drugs.
there’s always been a drug problem, Ive lived in places much worse than bangor. I do see an extreme amount of repeat offenders though. I know that the three strike law isnt applied well sometimes, but maine should perhaps consider something like that for the worst offenders.
If it was murder suicide, that would usually be 2 people not 3?
not true at all!
They were wiped out.
What I find in these situations is that the media allows comments. A lot of this could be left out if the article were closed to comments. The newspaper has the right to open or close an article and they choose not to. As far as I am concerned a lot of suffering is created by the very people that report these incidents.
Page refreshes, long time on the page, frequent visits. It’s advertising, why would you close out comments?
Come on Robbie, get a clue. They weren’t there to get an ice cream from the ice cream truck at 3 in the morning. Nobody is saying they do not feel grief or sadness for the family or friends. On the other hand, you lead a seedy life you have to take the consequences. No matter what brought them to this end, it had something to do with their actions.
Totally agree; most people I know are not out roaming the streets at 3:00 am. However, no one’s perfect and I can remember a time when I was doing those things…bad things come to those who put themselves in ‘those’ situations. I’m not saying there are not fine individuals out there that get themselves into bad situations…because sometimes the innocent do pay…but MOSTLY it’s the crowd that’s involved in abusing drugs, alcohol, etc. And nope, don’t think they were out getting ice cream….you are responsible for your actions; sadly this one turned evil.
So let me see if i understand you correctly? IF you do drugs or stay out till 3 am you deserve to die? What does Jaywalking get you? shot in the leg? You sir need to stay away from the judicial system and please do us all a favor and don’t procreate.
I think idea he was getting at was this is most likely NOT a domestic violence issue. This looks like a duck and quacks like a duck… it probably isn’t a chicken.
Seriously…you need to learn how to read between the lines better, musta missed that lesson in school. Did I say, “IF you do drugs and stay out till 3 am you deserve to die?” No, of course I didn’t say that and I don’t believe it, talk about twisting things around. Reread the post again, maybe you’ll understand it better…and read perifunl’s comment below; If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s probably not a chicken.
It is really a low percentage of drug deals and people that do drugs that end up in this situation (if thats what this is). I am sure dozens of drug deals happen every day in bangor (if not more) that do not result in peoples deaths. Something went drastically wrong
my theory too, most of the crime in bangor is just the riffraff preying on each other, it keeps the cops busy and out of normal people’s hair for the most part, and no one really cares what goes on.
Thank YOU Rob people are so eager to point fingers and blame others before the facts are printed it is VERY VERY SICKENING. I am disgusted with the people that think they are so perfect. Drug, alcohol and drama free that their lives have no issues.
Sounds like you do have issues.
I may have or have not any issues but its people like you that cannot stay to the issue at hand. We are scared and nervous for the families that will be receiving a knock on the door or hear their child’s name over the television, either way it will be devastating. I am not free of issues and believe no one is… except you of course… right
perhaps those families should have taken matters into their own hands and stopped things like this from happening in the first place.
What things??Do you fully know what has happened here even before the investigators or are you another poster child for KNOWING EVERYTHING before it happens. Please stop the rumors and blaming the families for, “perhaps those families should have taken matters into their own hands
and stopped things like this from happening in the first place.” This is another stupid statement.
Not stupid at all. Just plain old common sense. Families need to get with it. Get your kids off drugs. That’s all. Don’t blame others for what families could have helped prevent.
From what I’ve read, it appears that many of us just take for granted that whenever there’s a shooting, stabbing – and now, this a triple homicide, that it is tied to drugs. I’m as guilty as the rest in presuming this. I believe, like the others, that this is triple homicide was created some by screw up in a drug deal.
No one is perfect, and I don’t see anyone assuming they have achieved that standard in life, especially us married men. I haven’t witnessed any finger pointing either.
What is sickening, is that Bangor and its environs are enveloped in a tawdry and sickening drug epidemic. Each day we are mind boggled by a backlash of horrid stories about people being murdered because of a connection with drugs.
“Forget drugs and money for a second…
What if this was a domestic violence murder…Would all your comments and glib remarks be thrown out there?? ”
Ah-yup, because it looks so much like the Saprono family’s methods.
Guarantee it is drugs
If it is about drugs then it is a very good reason to regulate our drug sales and not leave it up to street people to sell them. Alcohol is regulated to death and drugs should be too if it makes us all safer. We don’t need these kind of crimes in Maine so re-legalize drugs and that will take the wild west profit motive out of all of these crimes.
Regulation, IMHO, is a false dichotomy in terms of ‘keeping us safe.’The most popularly abused drugs around here seem to be prescription drugs. That is, if we are to believe these statistics: http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2011/01/03/news/maine-tops-nation-in-prescription-drug-abuse/ Personal observation/experience tells me that it’s fairly on the money.
Prescription drugs are more regulated than alcohol. Typical drug addicts’ brains are so scrambled, that they don’t really give two hoots about anything other than getting their next fix (by hook or by crook).
Until they are dried out (most likely UNvoluntarily) so they have a clear understanding of what they’re doing, and they are then held accountable for their actions, nothing, and I mean nothing will change regardless of how much regulation we put in it. People must hit rock bottom if they are going to change.
Ponder for a moment how many kids (now grown up) were fed amphetamines from the time they were 6 years old (until their insurance ran out and they stopped covering it) because they couldn’t sit still and focus in school. Yes, I know, there are non-stimulant ADHD drugs out there now, but this generation didn’t have them. They had good old fashioned speed.
Why then are we so surprised at this epidemic? Granted, every case is different, but really, at what point are we going to go the ‘accountable’ route vs the “throw useless regulation at the problem” route?
I honestly hope this has nothing to do with the current drug scurge we have in the Bangor area. I really do. One can hope anyway.
Not more regulations, less regulations. If people could grow their own poppies and coca and cannabis they wouldn’t have to steal it and the price would be dirt cheap if it was everywhere. The smart kids aren’t going to do it anyway. There are 2 types of people in this world; those that care about themselves and those that don’t. The latter are already doing drugs. I believe in letting natural selection run it’s course. This prohibition is just a money maker and job security for law enforcement and for profit prisons. We need to repeal prohibition to end the violence.
I believe you missed the point of my post. I don’t agree with more regulations – rather, I think one should be held accountable for their actions.
More regulations are useless. As far as less regulation, I don’t know where you’ve been, but people grow their own cannabis already. They also doctor shop for prescriptions. Less regulation isn’t going to change that.
Bath Salts are manmade as is Spice. People huff on aerosol cans for pete’s sake. A lot of people who do drugs are ‘smart’ enough to con the system.
Also, if it were ‘dirt cheap’ I suspect more people would partake of it just for the fun of it. In fact, I know they would. There are plenty of bottle collectors out there – if it’s cheap enough to pay for with a bag of returnables – they’re in.How many people quit smoking cigarettes when they went up ridiculously in price?
I believe in natural selection too, but adding to the rolls of stoned yahoos I have to avoid coming straight at me in the middle of the road? No thanks.
You are right, compassion is key here. What likely happened is that they were innocent bystanders to the 2001 Pontiac committing suicide.
Well rob that’s why we are a safe town up here in Bangor …..because of the Maine rubber kneckers asociation ..we call cops and tell on every one with no discrimination , we don’t mind our own business , and if you get behind us driving we will go extra slow especially when turning .. And from reading the post on here I would def not want a jury trial in Bangor In front of ” my peers ” people in Bangor and posters on BDN are so quick to judge and condemn everyone …and funny thing is most people who post probably have skeletons in there the closet …..just remember I don’t have a problem society thinks I do
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was an organized hit. Here’s why? I’ll keep the facts short here. What many don’t ssem to understand is that the landscape has changed in Bangor. Read between the lines in the paper and you will see there is huge amount of drug addicts, pharmacy robbies and drug clinics in town. There have also been a ton of drug busts. That means there is a market for drugs in Bangor….agreed? There is a huge profit in drugs and if anyone hasn’t noticed it is one of the all cash businesses left, right? When there is a market as large as the one in Bangor there will be many parties trying to supply the narcotics to keep up with the demand, agree?
There will be territory wars on who is more suitable to be the drug pushers in town. That’s the way it works in real cities where there is a lot of low income people and drug users. Your typical soccer mom mentality might not want to believe that but guess what, it’s true, it’s here, get used to it. It isn’t going away unless drastic (hear that city) DRASATIC measures are taken. Inthe mean time, whatever you do, make sure you are not caught up in the chaos because drug dealers only care about one person and we know who that is.
Until then, keep carrying and looking out for your loves ones and neighbors.
I hope I’m wrong, hope it was just a tragic fire, but when was the last time you heard about 3 innocent people just burning up in a vehicle if they had the option to exit the vehicle?
My guess a territory hit all over drugs and money.
Sad day for Bangor. My thoughts and prayers are with the families.
At least you did what you said you would do and kept the facts short.
my moneys still on the murder suicide. jilted lover, his girl and her boyfriend.
Gotta disagree. Pretty sure on this one friend.
If that is the case, where is the other vehicle??? I doubt they all commuted together…
Rented car and deal gone bad.
Drug deals go down all the time in the parking lot of the airport mall and the old Westgate mall. You cannot even sit in your car in the Airport mall parking lot eating your lunch without people cruising by either thinking you are a dealer or the dealers thinking you are a “customer”.
I wouldn’t go broadcasting that on this blog, by the looks of some posts on here, the parking lots of those places are going to fill up with BDN readers looking for their fix. Junkies!
But apparently being narrow-minded and judgemental is somehow any better? Maybe it’s just me, but whatever happened to just accepting people, in all walks of life regardless of whether we agree with their choices or not. I hate to break it to you, but I think we’re all flawed in one way or another, no one is perfect.
Bushfan is a paranoid Neo-Con. There is no reasoning with people like him. Just forget about it. I have yet to read anything he has written that hasnt been absolutely filled with bigotry, ignorance and misconceptions.
Yeah, all those junky BDN readers are totally going to flock to the listed parking lots by the thousands…. Are you insane? Even IF that made any sense at all, they are already junkies, so obviously they know where to get drugs, which of course means they wouldnt need to do what you suggest. So not only are you wrong, you are also delusional. Do you actually believe the crap you say?
Really? Ive spent a fair bit of time around the areas you mentioned and NEVER have had anything similar happen to me. Sure, ive seen cars and things that I MIGHT be able to relate to some sort of dealing (if I was paranoid) but Ive never ever had anyone come up to me in manor in which you speak. Have you actually had this happen? I doubt it.
I’ve watched people in the parking lots do the deals. Cash exchanged for little plastic baggies….
You choose to be blind to what is going on. I choose to see reality.
Gang hits in Bangor? Are you kidding me? You are nuts. Off your rocker, completely. Sure there is a drug problem here, but there are no real gangs. There isnt really much to offer them. The drug problem here isnt that bad because there arnt enough people around. Maine is a rather quiet place, really. You need to stop being so paranoid. You know they make very powerful medication for that, right? Bangor really isnt that bad. Honestly. The things you are talking about happen in large cities. Bangor is hardly a city at all.
Jesus, you people are insane.
The “Gangstas” would trip over their pants hanging half way down their behind’s before they would even have the chance to make a hit.
Welfare is a cash cow and thats why Bangor won’t ever change
Nah. Benefits are small. Military contracting is the cash cow and it mostly cost plus, so no risk.
WE are being brainwashed to believe that our economic woes are caused by social spending. this spending is too small to explain our deficit woes. We actually spend as much on corporate subsidies as we do on welfare programs. Nobody is complaining that these programs are abused and produce very little social benefit.
The reason social programs are growing is because wages are falling in real terms. You can blame the welfare recipients but they are the symptom, not the problem.
Your post defines the ignorance of what our problems are. You are an errand boy in the efforts to perfect the oligarchy. When you wake up and realize what is being done to the American people, you will either be ashamed or you have no shame. The facts do not line up with the rhetoric.
You are wrong,
Military 18% of budget
Medical & Health 24%
Soc. security Including SSI 34% Obama administration website , quick before the libs flag this, don’t want facts to get in the way of good rhetoric
But you are counting much of the SS money as government spending. Hasn’t anyone explained to you that we pay into that system ourselves?
Has’nt anyone explained to you that we pay for all of it! We can only hope to get some of the Soc. Sec. someday, Military spending is not the highest, and you did’nt mention medical and health. I would love to see Mil spending cut, exorbitant mil contracts cut as well.
we pay into the medicare system too – while working and after retirement…try again.
Thanks for the clarification, I looked up the figures in response to rexicans claim that military connected spending was the highest cost. That was not the case.
Guest, you have a hard time with numbers. SS is paid out of money that is actually paid in by beneficiaries. Defense spending comes out of general tax dollars.
But hey, don’t believe the facts, keep listening to Rush and Paul Ryan.
Medical and health are covered under Medicaid and Medicare. The only other government resource for care is the VA which is included in the military budget.
Social Security “trust fund” currently holds 2 *trillion* dollars, extracted from folks like me that have paid into the system for over forty years. The money is on *loan* to the US Treasury. Congress doesn’t want to pay that back . . .
Total US defense spending for 2012 is 902.2 billion. Total Federal welfare spending is $451.9 billion.
So Defense spending for 2012 is 24% of the federal budget while welfare is 12%
http://www.usfederalbudget.us/year_spending_2012USbf_13bs1n#usgs302
Wait…spending more on US Defense then Welfare is a bad thing?? IM CONFUSED.
Well it is a terrible thing to have to spend money on war and poverty but we are a long way from our goal of a universal Utopian global society based on truth, justice and freedom for all.
Still we will get there.
You did not include health care in this figure, ie; medicare etc. when you include that wefare and health care costs exceed military spending by over 20%. And I used your link to find this out. My original post was in response to rexican’s statement that social program were an insubstantial part of spending and that no bid military contracts were where all the real “fat’ was. That is not the case. And this military spending includes salaries etc of soldiers it is not all no bid contracts. My original statement and post stands, supported even with the link you provided.
The healthcare portion of the US budget shouldn’t be included with the welfare portion. They are to distinct things and have no relation to each other.
Combining them is a common falsehood of the Wall st bankers and anti American right wingers to mix the two in order to justify their own corporate welfare and hate of the USA but it is a lie.
Again my original post was in response to rexican’s claim of excess military spending, his statement was not true. That was the topic. I’ll ignore the blather re: right wing, american hating … ad nauseum.
Please look up the meaning of the term “cash cow”.
relocated comment
Oh BDN, once again you show your stellar reporting skills.
The business is AUTOMATIC DISTRIBUTORS.
People really just want to know what is going on. It is possible to post the correct name without degrading the reporter. There is always a comment here picking the BDN reporters apart. If you (meaning the people who do this on every news story)don’t like the way they do their job then go somewhere else to get your news.
Silly me for thinking that part of knowing what is going on is making sure the location names are correct.
I just said that you could make the correction without the dig at the reporter. I am sure they were in a hurry to get this information out and errors do happen, especially with all of the new technology.
What news outlet were they in such a hurry to beat?
Once again, came for the article, stayed for the comments. I am quite curious to know how this turns out. Heard about it from my mother earlier today…
This is unbelievable I scroll down and read these comments
on here and it really just discuses me on how you all can be so rude an judgmental
of everyone. There is only one person I see who says sorry to the family. We don’t
know who these people are in this car so the ones writing on here and are so
negative let hope there not your friends or family. The horrible thing here is
3 people have died an there family and friends are reading this just like you
and I. all of you wouldn’t be writing these things if it was your loved one… And I don’t agree with methadone clinics one
bit but if you take the clinics away the crime will not go down it will rise. There
will be more robberies. So that just shows how intelligent you all are. My point
is have some consideration for the friends and family and It’s not all always
drug related.
I believe this car fire was related to drugs, and this is what the will find out. I do feel sorry for the family of the deceased. They most likely have no clue as to what their family or friends were into , unless they were also involve. What is happening to Bangor!!!!
Bangor has always had a somewhat seedy side.
Run!!! It’s Godzilla!! lol
I cant believe how many people are going all POLITICAL on three people who lost their lives… where is the respect.. once again people also show their unending abilities to insult the families who lost a loved one, my heart goes out to you all whom ever you are </3
I feel for the families who lost their loved ones, but this doesn’t look good at all!
People have to eat and live somewhere no matter who they are, those programs are not city programs by the way.
But the people receiving these benefits live in this city, by the way, areas can only absorb so much of this, we are known as a service center, unfortunately it is not a center to come and conduct business it is a center to seek and obtain benefits of some sort. Unsustainable , in my opinion.
Drive the side streets of Bangor, hundred of abandoned houses, you think it’s getting better? Painting a house cost 3 times what it did 3 years ago. wait another 10 years and Bangor will make “Detriot in ruins” look good.
I do drive the side streets and see what is going on, it does’nt do any good if I drive the side streets city officials need to drive the side streets, cops need to drive the side streets, city council needs to drive the side streets, they don’t have to live there so it is easy to ignore
Portland is also a service center yet Bangor, with half the population of Portland, has more sex offenders than Portland. Why? Because they can get free food and housing in Bangor. The city council, in failing to control the influx of Sex Offenders (which are sent to Bangor by other cities and even other states), has rolled out the red carpet for sex offenders, including child molesters.
I honestly attribute that to the fact that carlson was on the board of all these organizations that accept sex offenders, we had an organziation near us that used to accept SO into their program but changed their policy and no longer accept them.
Stop assuming! We don’t know. This is awful prayers going out to the families.
Some of these comments are what is wrong with the comment sections.
I sincerely hope nobody I know was in that car. I feel horrible for the families of the occupants/victims.
A little research on the Internet shows that parked cars actually CAN catch on fire. This being an older Pontiac, the doors will lock when the car is put in gear. However, if the electrical system fails and the doors are locked, the occupants would NOT be able to get out. I agree it rarely happens that a parked car catches on fire. There are, however, too many possibilities to be guessing what happened.
What is wrong with people that they have nothing to do but one-up others when human beings have perished in such a horrible manner? I swear there is no compassion left in this world. SMH
I have never been in a car with automatic locking doors that the front doors did not unlock and open when you use the handle. Back doors, with those darn “child safety” locks are another thing if the “safety” lock selector is set.
Pontiacs do not have the feature that allows you to pull the handle to unlock the doors if the car is not in gear. If the car wasnt in park, pulling the handles would be of NO use. Stupid plan by Pontiac.
Obviously not a fact, just a thought, but scary to imagine someone pouring accelerant on the car you are literally trapped in, and not being able to get out. bad way to die, if they werent already dead.
So you can open the doors if the car is in gear, or moving, but not if the car is stopped or turned off. Really, are you sure about that?
I have never seen a car that had to be on, running, and in gear, to be able to unlock the doors.
mistyped. If the car ISNT in park, the door locks wont open. People have died when their cars go off the road into water or whatever, and people dont know that the car has to be in park in order to open the doors. Panic, I guess. I can only imagine the panic if you are trying to escape someone meaning to light your car on fire, putting your car into gear to drive away, and not being able to get out once it starts burning because you dont know to put it in park..or you dont WANT to put it in park because the bad guy is still standing there. Of course, thats specualtion. But..imagine?
However, the electrical system would fail if the wires burned, and a lot of those are under the dashboard. If this happened and the car doors were locked, they would Not be able to open the doors. These doors generally unlock when the car is put in Park, but it sounds like these people were already incapacitated and would not have been able to escape the fire in any event. The windows burst and the tires popped. It is very suspicious looking, and this is only a guess, but to set the whole car on fire that quickly and to get it burning that hot that quickly, must have involved an explosive or an accelerant (spelling?). Regardless, it looks very bad and preparing for the news of who was in that car is not an easy task. I am praying I do not know the victims, but I am also praying for the surviving souls they left behind.
Even if there are automatic door locks, you can still manually unlock the door by pushing/pulling the locking mechanism and then opening the door with the handle.
Sad to read of this in Bangor – we see this a lot in Phoenix. It’s straight out of the Mexican mafia playbook.
Exactly. This ain’t a game in Bangor. People that think this can’t happen to them, guess what, it happens to them.
Get a piece, load it, carry it, insure yourself!
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
I happen to have “a piece” and a permit to carry, BUT my observation is that if you don’t play in a dump, you won’t be buried under garbage.
i say lets start with saying bad economy
My initial comment was posted immediately after the first initial report was posted on Bangor Daily News… It does sound fishy, however, think of the family members or friends that are or will be reading all of these comments about the victims. If you were a family member, would you want people making accusations about this story?
I have a family member addicted to drugs and booze and expect to see their name in the paper someday. Sad but true.
Hopefully with some enhancements to the videos police can get betters views of the cars involved. RIP to the deceased. No matter what the circumstances, I am sure these people have loved ones. My condolences to you all.
ON CSI, this would be simple. IRL, with a camera from across the street that can’t even make out the type of vehicle, this may prove tougher.
Wow….you don’t even realize how little sense your comment just made do you? It truly amazes me how easily you can group PEOPLE suffering from a disease into a box and label them “junkies” and basically talk about them like they’re not even human…..
I have no idea what comment you’re referring to, but humans have free will to make their own choices. While not clinically popular, I don’t buy into this ‘disease’. Call it an addiction if you want, but a disease, I don’t buy it. You can choose not do do these things and the ‘disease’ would cease to exist. There is no cure but to just choose not to do it. People make their own choices.
But their free will doesn’t end there. They can also choose to seek help.
I’m not judging those who are struggling with addiction, but I’m also not going to act as though their own choices have not led them to their current situation. Personal responsibility.
Absolutely, I agree 100% We should all be responsible for our decisions and getting help with an “ADDICTION” is taking responsibility for a decision one may have made. Are we really going to have a debate over the use of a word….all I was trying to say was that it made no sense to assume that this tragic event was in any way, shape or form caused by a methadone clinic.
I agree.
Cancer is a desease, Drugs are an addiction.
Addiction is a disease, also.
Nope The PC of today SAYS “disease,” but tell me this, what other “disease” is also a choice. What other “disease” do you go out of your way to purchase?
To answer your first question, any sexually transmitted disease.
To counter the very legitimacy of the question in general, let me ask you this: what other disease but Sickle Cell Anemia allows S. Sickle hemoglobin to cause the cells to develop a sickle, or crescent, shape, thus blocking the flow of O2 in the blood vessels to the limbs and organs?
According to your logic, Sickle Cell Anemia must not be a disease. Because a disease presents differently than any other does not make that a non-disease, it only makes it a unique disease bio-chemically. Addiction, biochemically, works like no other disease we know. But make no mistake that it is in fact a disease. Are there controllable human elements to it? Of course there are? But diet and exercise are controlling factors in nearly 90% of all fatal diseases, and we don’t typically hold those against the patient when they fail to maximize their benefits.
The very essence of the word disease means: “A disease is an abnormal condition affecting the body of an organism. It is often construed to be a medical condition associated with specific symptoms and signs.[1] It may be caused by external factors, such as infectious disease, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases.”
Sorry alcoholism / addiction don’t fit.
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Self Inflicted. AND I happen to know this FIRST Hand.
and…..no one is denying that in most cases people addicted to drugs brought it on themselves, the point is, who are we to judge someone for the type of help they seek to make an attempt at getting in a better situation? Whether I agree with it, you agree with it, it doesn’t matter.
I just really don’t get how so many of you are so quick to pass judgment before any facts are apparent. There are families who lost loved ones, how would you feel if you were in their shoes? If this was a drug related crime then feel free to tell everyone “told you so” just so you can have your false sense of integrity. Some of you have some serious anger issues and should rethink how you spend your time and rethink what good it really does by posting your tirades on this site.
I just wanted to point out that in your tirade against those who are ‘passing judgment’, you’re passing judgment on others who post on the site. You assume both that other posters (most likely some in particular) have both a ‘false sense of integrity’ as well as ‘serious anger issues’, which is probably a clinical thing. Not to say you’re wrong, as I have no idea.
“Judge not, that ye be not judged. ” Matthew 7:1
Maybe you “should rethink how you spend your time and rethink what good it really does by posting your tirades on this site.”
Did I quote the bible? Nope, you did. If my post was hypocritical then so be it, I’m not here to dramatize or immediately cry EBT, Methadone or Liberal whenever a crime around here happens. I’m tired of the constant hate posters on this site.
Yes, it was me who quoted the Bible. Sorry if that was confusing.
If you are truly tired of the hate posters, you don’t have to read the comments. I agree that sometimes they can drag the story in different direction and can be frustrating to read, but we can choose not to read them if they are causing such strife. It’s unlikely that the internet is going to change.
And it’s unlikely that people are going to change.
Good job keeping us updated on this story Nok-Noi!
Condolences to families and friends. This is horrific. May you find peace and comfort in each other.
yeahhhhh gary shaw, my man<3
hmm
hmmm? odd. didnt think i wrote your name anywhere. and you dont need to ask those personal questions creep.
Simply horrible—no matter what happened…thoughts with family members.
I assume in the story the 10:10am should be pm. Does any one question why a car burning from 10 at night till 4 am and not one police car went by? All the business in the park and police don’t drive by?
That’s what time the person gave the comment to the reporter, not what time the person was seen running from the vehicle on the videotape.
Sorry for my confusion on the time.
What does this have to do with a car fire???
It has to do with why there are so many loser scumbag druggies in town, thus driving up the crime rate. And again, this was not a tragedy, this was a positive situation that just lowered the amount of trash in the area.
First, to the woman who turned in the call: your anguish over what was found in the vehicle is understandable, however, when you saw the fire it was already burning with such intensity that at times it ‘disguised’ the vehicle….the chances that the lives could have been saved at that point is extremely small. If their lives had not already been taken when the fire began, the heat from such an intense burn would have already claimed them by the time you found it. From what I read, you did everything you could have done. Kudos to you for taking action.
Secondly, I lived in south Jersey within 5 miles of Atlantic City for appx 7 years in the mid to late 70s as the casino industry came to full bloom. I worked for a country authority that worked closely with the Casino Commission, so have some insight into how the industry effected the area. When I first moved there, there were already several casinos up and running; most crimes involved territorial bs with regard to neighborhood drugs dealers, kids knocking over a corner store, domestic abuse….in other words the normal (unfortunately) run of the mill stuff all cities deal with. When something that looked like a violent ‘message’ happened it made the first page of the newspaper. As the few years that I lived there rolled by, these violent ritual killings slowly dissolved from page 1 until they became so common place, they were no longer “big” news and were tucked into the paper….page 8, 9, 10. When I realized that I was no longer surprised and horrified at these events, I decided that apathy with regard to violent crimes was not something I wanted in my life, and I moved back to Maine where events such as that happened so rarely that they were front page news.
When the old slot business building was moved to a 7 story building, I advised people that I knew who lived in Bangor that it was not intended to be merely as slots industry, but preparation to put a full blown casino in place was in the works and with it came all the negative peripheral behind the scene criminal industries. As we can see, anything that anybody, not just me, placed before the public in warning has been ignored and we have a full blown casino in our midst.
I don’t know the stats, and I don’t want to; it’s too distasteful to me. But if someone does have them, and I’m sure the Bangor and Brewer City Counsels do, I have no doubt that crime has been on a steady increase since the slots industry was established in Bangor and has been on a steady increase since that time. When I moved back to Maine in 1981, I lived in Bangor for a while and had no fear of walking on the streets at any time, day or night. Now, when I am in Bangor for an event, I make sure I park in a place that is heavily patrolled, and I’ve moved as far away from Bangor as possible to remain outside of the area as much as possible. My friends who live in the Bangor area vocalize to me that they wish they could do the same for the same reason….they no longer feel safe in their homes. Unfortunately, the damage has already been done. If, and probably when, another casino decides to build in Bangor, the precedent has already been set….citizens no longer have a say in it.
Having watched the events unfold in the Atlantic City area, I’m inclined to see this event as a ‘message’. Yes, I’m playing armchair detective, but not from mere gut emotion…from having seen it before. We never seem to learn from past events. This tragedy was front page news today. We need to ask our councilmen where a similar event will be posted 7 years from now.
CasinosNo! started all that fear a decade ago. I live very near the casino and have not seen these events you talk of. Yes, we have crime in this city. All cities have crime, or they don’t get to be called cities. Bangor is on the move in many positive ways. Yes, we are doing alot right. It has nothing to do with criminals however. Criminals are everywhere in the world. Not one place.
Three persons lost their life – whether domestic violence (and I wonder if one of them was a young person) or a murder/suicide or simply murder of all 3 of them – this is awful. Why were they out at 3 am? Working? Driving around? Kdinapped? Mentally sick? There are a lot of unanswered questions. The fact that it was an out of state plate doesn’t mean the victims were not local. Let’s pray while we wait for answers that may never be fully known.
Looks like a Rhode Island License plate??
everyone making assumptions lets just wait till the police release more information. But with the front of the car now being shown we can see it wasn’t a Maine registered car!
As far as I am concerned there is not enough information to make any kind of assumption as to what happened.
For those of you who claim Bangor is the next Los Angeles, all I can say is that I run late at night, I still feel safe. Trouble usually is associated with those who associate them self’s with trouble. Yes, there are innocent victims from time to time, as unfortunate as it is we pray for them.
Bangor is my home and has been since I was born, I have moved several times only to come back because I know the difference between Bangor and most other places. If you think Bangor is that bad I suggest you get out and experience the rest of this country because you will soon too realize that after all Bangor may have it’s issue’s but as far as I am concerned it’s still a safe place to live and raise children.
Well said Adam. Glad you came back home.
This is the least coherent news article i have ever read.
This is atrocious writing.
Welcome to North Lewiston!!
I have to say you are wrong about that. I own both a Grand
AM (2003) and Grand Prix (2001). I have never had to put my cars in park to
unlock the doors. But that being said, I also know you can change the setting
of your locks i.e., doors to lock when put in gear, or doors to auto unlock
when the car is turned off, and/or not to lock or unlock at all. Check your owners
manual. No matter what setting the locks are set for the front doors are design
to unlock with a pull of the (inside) handle. (just tried it on my cars).
I’m GLAD I got the hell out of Bangor years ago. WHAT A GHETTO it is NOW. The crime rate just keeps getting worse & worse. Drugs are everywhere & all the pathetic cops can do is BUST DWI’S.
lol. I love it here. Great city. Great police force. Great people.
Maybe BDN should consider blurring the license plate number in the first picture?
In Boston, it was another multiple-homicide night about six hours earlier, but politicians there have declared that nothing can be done until they are sure that Wal-Mart and Chick-fil-A are kept out of the city. Those are really much more pressing matters, they believe.
That be a Road Island license plate. 583-899
And I just noticed they mentioned it in the article.
With a rental car it could be from any state. Doesn’t mean they are from Rhode Island. These cars move around all over the U. S..
Well neither I nor you know if it is a rental. I was just pointing out what kind of plate it was and nothing more.
It has been reported it is a rental car.
By who? Please provide proof.
WLBZ reported it was a rental on the six o’clock news. You can go to their website and see it.
http://www.wlbz2.com/news/article/210523/3/Three-bodies-found-in-burned-out-car-in-Bangor
They stated a source said it was a rental. That does not confirm it at all.
BPD said (in a version of this article, not sure if it’s still there or not) that they have been in contact with the registered owner, and do not feel that person was involved. To me, that implies private owner, not rental. I may be wrong though, who knows.
How distasteful to not blur out the numbers on the plate- it’s highly possible someone in the family will find out this way, instead of by being contacted privately.
Who cares and what difference does it make. May help solve a crime.
The authorities can look up information on the vehicle based on the VIN number if it is still visible and the plate themselves; they don’t need the public to speculate as to who was inside. They will figure that out themselves.
Who cares? Maybe the relatives or friends of the people who passed away. Chances are they have someone out there who loves them. Who cares is such an ignorant thing to say about this situation.
Would you like to find out about one of your loved ones while skimming through these ridiculous comments?
Doesn’t look like a Maine plate…but I cannot tell which state it is. Rhode Island?
They said right in the article – yes, it’s Rhode Island
I’d like to move away but each time I try to save up money stuff comes up. But I’d have to say that I have NOT felt safe living in Bangor in over a decade. I also have very little if any real friends in this area because each time I make friends around here I get back stabbed, used for money, or lied to & lied about. It’s too much drama and head games for me. I don’t mind the petty drug dealing of young folks that buy and sell speed and pot. Sort of a youthful right of passage for people that rebel. But things are getting way too dark and sinister in Bangor.
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I am a little surprised that the ‘We-Have-To-Report-This-Story-NOW-and-THEN-we-will-check-its-truthfulness’ media is asleep at the switch. The Providence Journal has NOTHING about this. You would think that the Rhode Island license plate would get SOMEONE there on the beat.
In Response to thale138:
Being a drug addict is not synonymous with being a loner or someone who has ‘no friends, including family’; addictions, and not just those associated with drugs, are often hidden from loved ones and friends of those who suffer from them. An addiction is a chronic disease, one in which the afflicted has a physical inability to consistently abstain from the thing that they are addicted to without intervention of some kind. My brother died alone in a hotel room over a thousand miles from home due to an addiction to drugs… he was loved dearly by his family and hundreds of friends attended his funeral. He attempted to get help while at home but couldn’t beat the one thing that controlled his mind and his life. If this tragic accident IS drug related (which we have no proof of), that does not mean that the people who died had no family or friends…and if they did suffer from drug addiction, the words you’ve written here will offer no solace to the family and friends that they have left behind. We all have vices, some worse than others, but we are all human beings who deserve understanding and compassion.
I commend you for being able and willing to comment on something so personal….based on your comment, there is no doubt that your brother was very much loved and I am sure loved all of you just as much. Thank you for bringing the conversation back to where it belongs, with the people who have been affected by this tragic event.
bangor…my sweet bangor has gone to the gutter…
still not as bad as lewiston…
Not yet but getting there.
Looks like a Pontiac…Firebird?
grand prix.
Sad story.3 lives lost.Must admit when I read”off outer hammond street”in the first sentence….All the bells and whistles went off. Anything good ever happen near there? geeeez
what on earth is happening to maine what is drawing all those criminals drug addicts this use to be a quiet peaceful area to live are they even equiped to deal such situation high volumes of crimes , whatever the reason is that is drawing all those crimes find the source get rid of it before it is way out hand if not already
blah blah blah. Drugs. Gangs. The mob. Murder. Suicide. Metahdone clinics. Bangor this, Bangor that. OMGZ this city is falling apart! Everyone’s got an opinion and they are all equally worthless.
Seems like everyone has got a spin. Does it matter? Fact is, it happened. Perhaps you people shouldnt be so quick to spew your preconceived notions around without regard to the dead. I dont personally care what you think caused it. Clearly, many of you are ready and willing to point the finger at your scapegoat of choice although its all assumptions. I dont often make assumptions, but for the sake of proving a point, I will.
Personally, I think it was a dragon. I think an invisible dragon showed up and just decided to light the car on fire, for no reason. Then, it left. Now, before you call me out, consider this: Can you prove it WASNT an invisible dragon, given the information presented? Nope! So I guess that means I am the victor, here, as you cannot disprove my theory it thus must be correct, right?
Massive idiocy is abundant on these forums, as much as ever.
target industrial center…daenarys targaryen. that’s no coincidence, the khaleesi unleashed her dragons.
Yet you still come..lol
U SO FUNNY!
And yeah, I do. Want to know why? To yell at dumb people who otherwise would not be yelled at. I hold no love for people in my heart, least of all people who’s heads are in their buttocks. I take it as a personal mission to seek and root out ignorance wherever it lays its putrid seed. There is no room left on this planet for the blind, the weak or the ignorant. So thus, here I am. Yelling away, spreading my misanthropic and nihilistic agenda. Remember my name, as you’ll likely see me around, getting in E-Fights with people who are too ignorant to know they are ignorant. Its a passion of mine. I do this in the flesh, too. You enjoy, now.
Put down the bong….
You are even funnier then Dolbylandfill. Who said anything about bongs? You think I am stoned because of the oddity of my ideas? They were meant to be odd. I was illustrating a point, bub. Well, I think your a lunatic because you are drawing terrible conclusions based on no relevant information. Maybe you should pull your head out of whatever dark smelly place its in, put down your beer, untie your work boots and smarten up a bit, there, chief. Way to expose how pompous and delusional you are.
EDIT: Sorry I was rude and defensive before. I should thank you. It was your comment that allowed me to see that I should start working on another book. I think ill call it “Ad hominem’s for Dullards.” Hows the title sound? I thought “An Idiots Guide to Ad hominem’s” sounded ok, but I prefer the first title. More original. The title is not set in stone an I figured I should pass it by you before I start on it. I dont assume you’ll mind if I quote your comment? Its just too brilliant to not include. I also have a working version of the preface, if you’d like to read it, maybe offer me your insight? Thanks in advance.
it’s difficult to prove a negative
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My guess? Rolling meth lab. That explains all of it, and very little else would.
Big question will we ever get the truth from the Bangor PD. Or just what they want us to know. IE Carlson, Greenleaf.
Look s like bullet holes in the door on the second picture.
such tragedy. my thoughts are with the family and friends of these victims. the sad part is the family has decent unfortunate chances of reading about their loved ones before they get confirmation. i know i wouldnt want to read about something like this happening to family before finding out in person. it also sickens me how people automatically assume its over drugs or money. also, unfortunately from the sounds of the article, the second vehicle was likely a get-a-way car. some people are just not right at all.
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Having been burned badly in a fire myself. I can only pray that these 3 people were deceased before the fire occurred. Being burned is a terrible feeling that no one should ever have to endure.
Some of the comments here are appalling. Trying to make light of a gruesome and tragic occurrence.
Same here .
even if it is drugs or money, why is it ok for people to lose their lives? pretty big assumptions going on here..
Yeah, like that Florida firefighter last winter. You know, the one who went missing on a trip to Maine, and all the initial speculation and guessing that he might have been a drug transporter and murdered. Lots of assumptions by commenters and criticism directed at those commenters for their guessing. You know what? They were right.
I recall other stories where people were quick to pass judgement, to point fingers, and it wasn’t as it seemed. The shooting of 4 in Lamoine was quickly blamed on a drug deal gone bad. Not only have all survivors stated that’s not the case, but the Police who INVESTIGATED the crime have ALSO stated that wasn’t the case.
Just because people have been right with their speculation in the past, doesn’t mean they should automatically jump to conclusion & make such hateful comments.
3 people have lost their lives here, and if the tentative ID’s I’m hearing are right, small children are now growing up without a parent. Parents have lost their children. Many other friends, family members, etc have been affected as well.
Perhaps rather than jumping to conclusions before the facts are known, we should be offering the families of these 3 people our condolences, and holding our loved ones a little tighter tonight. Stories like these remind us that life is short, and can end at any moment, whether we are ready, or not.
I am keeping tabs on this article but it is a pain when they keep having it say “2min ago” looking like they have added to it and i have to re read it to see whats added in. Maybe they should put new things at the bottom? Just suggesting
Sometimes when they remove comments it marks the article as updated. Right now it says 179 comments and I recall it was 212 the last time I looked.
Hey I noticed that! Thanks! But its still a pain
It’s more of a pain as the story grows in size. I’ve read this one at least 6 times today. Some of the new info is at the end but some of it is in the middle.
The mentality of some comments here is almost of more concern than this incident. Please don’t be just as sociopathic as one who may have committed a homicide.
You read about this sort of thing every week in NYC, not in Bangor ME. I doubt this was an accident. There may have been 4 in the car, one of them shot the other three and set fire to the car to hide the evidence. Whoops, he forgot to take off the license tags! The Chief will figure it out as promised…right?
some how I don’t have a lot of faith in the Bangor Barney Fife’s
They can’t be any worse than the MSP Fife’s who can’t seem to solve that 32 year old murder in Millinocket.
They seem to solve every major case in Bangor that I have read about. And before the comments about Greenleaf start, that went to grandjury and they chose not to prosecute, right
“Bangor is one of the safest cities of its size, (Chief) Gastia said…” Yet last year he admitted that one of the reasons for Bangor’s increasing crime is the number of convicted sex offenders living there. Bangor is the sex offender capital of Maine, having more sex offenders than even Portland, which has double the population of Bangor.
What about the bath salts epidemic….worst in the state is Bangor.
Any one who has read the history of Bangor, circa 1900, about 100 years ago, knows Bangor was a rough and troubled community, plentiful in crime and lawlessness.
Rhode Island license plates? Take the rest of the day off officers.
If Bangor daily would do the right thing and shut the comments down on this page. Its pretty sickning what some people are saying.
If you zoom in, the front license plate is fully visible in the second picture above. I bet the BDN already knows who owns that car.
It’s a rental car.
How do you know that
They said it was; go look at the article again.
Must be updated again, i apologize about that
I thought I read it in the article, but was WLBZ on the six o’clock news.
No problem i just heard it on wabi too. Been trying to keep up with it all day. I hear one is a female so far. Not too old either
Did you have any idea yesterday when you were following the story that you knew two of them? I was shocked just by the level of tragedy. I wish you well in your own shock having known two.
I believe you but i can not find it i must be just plain missing it.
This will probably be deleted as a hateful comment, but I’m going to say it anyway. An out-of-state rental car would be consistent with drug transportation. I’m not saying that’s what happened here, just saying it’s consistent and, therefore, within the realm of possibility.
Is there a way to suggest BDN turn off the ability to comment? Because the only people that comment are the ones that want to show their hatred and ignorance to anyone that will scroll down.
Getting people to refresh, revisit the page and to stay on the page is the name of the advertising game. They could do that, but why?
Hopefully they will moderate this throughout the night. I have a feeling its gonna be a bad night with nasty comments
Tell anything good that happens after 1:00am
They didn’t go far from the interstate when selecting a place to do this. Probably non-locals. Somebody more familiar with the Bangor area would probably choose a different exit and location.
I was thinking they might have came from the other direction. dumped the car, set it on fire and hit the interstate.
Look at the map if you’re not familiar with that location. It’s like they got off the interstate and took the first side street they saw. They didn’t go very far up that street. If they had, they would have found locations where the burning car might not have been seen and reported so soon.
Gotcha , I thought maybe they had been at that really “nice” motel down the other way. There are cameras at the interstate exits there.
It looks like the fire must have been started in the passenger compartment or trunk, as the front of the car/hood has the least amount of damage.
Tell me one good thing that happens after 1:00a.m. nothing but bad news
1. Last call
Bangor is one of the safest cities of its size, Gastia said, crediting the community, the City Council and his officers for their work.
Other then size, could you compare that to something else? Bangor doesn’t have a great crime record recently. For a city that should be safe, we should have whatg, less speeders, crashes, pedestrians hit, stabbings, break ins, robberies, etc. Maybe if you said “Bangor is safe compared to Detroit”, yeah I could go with you on that one, size is a bit vague though.
?LEWISTON MAYBE?
I don’t know I am counting other things that Bangor does not pay much attention to such as the speeders and red light runners, so to be fair, I should look into documented crimes. It is a tough call though, Lewiston compared to Bangor in size, might be close, if it is, then I would have to look at documented crimes because in my book right now, I don’t consider any of them safe.
The statistics really don’t support his comment, I don’t know why they keep saying crime is down and Bangor is one of the safest cities. Look up the stats UCR reports are available online for state of Maine, individual cities and counties.
First of all, we have no idea what has transpired here. We can all guess, but not one of us have a clue, so lets let law enforcement figure it out and not pretend to be CSI agents as shown on television. Condolences to the family of these 3 individuals. I cannot begin to imagine losing someone I loved in this manner.
Pick a good username, because hate can’t stand the light of day.
WHAT PLATE IS THIS ME OR NH OR OTHER
Read the story, its Rhode Island
Rhode Island plates. The plot thickens!
OK
The deaths are suspicious, he said, but the state medical examiner’s office “will determine later today or tomorrow whether it’s a homicide.” “The deaths are SUSPICIOUS”, WOW, extraodonary police and detective work by Edwards in making that determination!
totally deleted my comment nice lots of censor ship going on in this forum today.
I think it is safe to say that that is a Rhode Island license plate…..:)
plates can be changed on cars very easily
It amazes me the amount of people who have nothing better to do with their own lives that they have to come onto BDN and bash every article that is posted it makes me sick! Thinking of the families of these 3 deceased for whatever reason this may have occurred, their families now have to suffer. People dont take into consideration of others or of the families such as those of these 3 people who could be just like any of us….
Exactly i said the same thing. Its getting nasty on here with comments
every article contains nasty comments, i just dont see why people find something to do thats better with their spare time since its obv. they have plenty of it. NO one looks at some of these situations as if it was one of their family members and how they would feel reading some of these comments….
So, I once lived in Bangor, raised my children there…….Incidences that are now becoming all too common in your little town, are the direct result of the “ostrich” mentality that is and has been so prevalent…The PD, City Council, BHS Administration, News Stations and the BDN have all had their heads lodged firmly in the sand for YEARS!….I owned and operated a business frequented often, by members of the above mentioned ,as well as Judges, Lawyers, Teachers and Physicians…I had the “inside scoop” so to speak….The things that were going on then that never made the BDN or TV news would make your collective heads spin!!!
I’ve since lived in two very large cities, corruption amongst the ranks is quickly and WITHOUT bias reported, Crimes, however big or small, no mattter WHO is involved get reported to the public FAIRLY and WITHOUT bias…..There is no “good ole’ boy” network.
Wake up! Citizens of Bangor, the hand writing has been on the wall for years..now its graffiti
Had you been an informed public, perhaps you’d still be living in Mayberry instead of Fort Apache North
Elaborate on what you know please. thank you
What nolongeramainer is pertaining to is absolutely ‘nothing but being paranoid’. So bad that they left. Where they live must be heaven, because it is probably the only place where things are that unrealistic. If you can’t make it in Bangor, Maine., you have some serious problems. We are one of the best cities you are going to find for quality of life. That is fact, not fiction.
nolonger- So you trash us after you leave? Glad you left.
No offense, but being defensive doesn’t help. Like it or not, nolonger has a leg to stand on as far as I’m concerned.
When are people going to get truly mad about what’s happening in Bangor? Gang, wake up–the barn door is open and the horse is long gone.
Lol, yes I am being defensive. A lot of commenters are making Bangor look as if we are living in this crime-invested, torn-up city where people are looting stores and homes and starting fires and zombies are eating flesh from babies like the movie ‘Escape From LA’. Great movie, I loved it. But how do you people even go out in the day with all these horrors you talk of going on? Where is Snake (Kurt Russell) to save us? Come on. Relax. Maybe you should be living in Mayberry. (cue the whistling…) I can walk to the store at midnight if I want to, you can’t do that in larger cities. We have it all right here, yeah I’ll take a little crime with that anyday. Sorry.
The reason people assume it’s drug related is because this town is the Skid Row of the northeast. As awful as this scenario is, and as heartbreaking as it is to the family, history does predict the future. EVERY SINGLE INSANE EPISODE the town I raise my family in has had to deal with has been drug related. People that like to keep the glass full, may you enjoy that swig of poison. It’s so preventable, this town is ridiculously small. Look at the end of Patten St., sit in Shaws parking lot, go to Rite Aid on the corner of Union and 3rd. There you will get your fill of debauchery. Fair trial…..innocent until proven guilty….don’t judge a book by it’s cover. It’s these ideals that fuel this felonious fire, metaphorically speaking. On a positive note, some local yokel will probably give all the details right here! Speaking unbiasedly, please remember that regardless of the character of the people involved, they have family that didn’t ask for this and are forever in disrepair.
That is the truth. I see those same areas every day.
Are those bullet holes in the door?
Nope, those are just the holes people in these comments can’t tell from their aces.
Maybe they fell asleep from traveling when the car caught on fire and could’nt over come the smoke and heat?
“fell asleep,” Good one!
Welll,,,, why did one get out but the rest couldn’t. Why did that person run off, unless, dun dahhhh! Guilty!!!
Humans are cruel…Families were shattered today . I don’t know what they were doing, but NO One deserves that…Human kindness and concern goes along way to their families in their hours and a life time of loss..
Who knows what or why it happened, the fact is there are three people dead who shouldn’t be. People are so quick to become armchair detectives, I’m surprised no one mentioned they were all executed then the car set on fire. Doesn’t matter how it happened, it’s something that shouldn’t have happened in the first place. I feel sorry for the victims as well as their families.
crazy!
My vote……Freebase!
It shouldn’t matter why they were there. Whatever the reason they were there, did not give someone the right to murder these people if they were murdered. Let the police do their job and lets not jump to conclusions until all the facts are in order. I am so sorry for all the family and friends of the victims, my heart goes out to you.
Get rid of the meth clinics and most of the problems will go away. When you give away free drugs under the guise of a cure you are just inviting in people that want free drugs.
Jeez, this happened in Maine?
That’s messed up.
reported via email to web@bangordailynews.com that all the a***are out in full force tonight… expect some banning first thing in the morning.. sick of every one making assumtions before they have the facts
The names haven’t been officially released yet friends of the deceased are plastering 2 of the 3 names all over Facebook. Common sense is non existent anymore.
Matt, the names have been released to family members, but Bangor Police is refusing to release names to the public yet
I have been reading posts on facebook of people who seem sure of the identity of at least 2 of the deceased. I find this quite alarming. If these people are discussing the deceased; well any one reading this should be able to figure out that someone knows some of the facts about what took place in this tragic case. I am so very sorry for the Mothers, Fathers, Brothers, sisters, Cousins, etc. of the deceased. I will pray for all involved tonight . Thank You
The Bangor Police and the State Police do a very job and I have faith they will find the answers. This doesn’t look ofr sound like an accident.
You do? I’m not so sure…..I do hope in 32 years it still isn’t unsolved like the McLain murder in East Millinocket.
You’re comparing apple to oranges wishyouknew2. The forensics, technology, and advancements we have now and do not compare to what we had 32 years ago.
Two years ago, no thanks to the MSP, the body was exhumed. Lots of new evidence came from the new autopsy. The family has gotten nothing but lip service from the MSP since then. No DNA was collected from suspects and seemingly nothing is going to be done.
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nothing good can ever happen in back of a business at 3 in the morning….
“Bangor is one of the safest places”??? I have to disagree with that….. the city needs to put more men out to patrol or something.
let’s get rid of the 3 methodone clinics in Bangor and the casino, all disgusting
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I have read many of the comments here as well as I am aware that the whole thing on facebook has gone viral. But people should realize the identities of these people have not been verified yet and families have not been notified. As for people commenting about a drug deal gone bad and such, get your facts straight and please don’t speculate about things you are not sure of. I hope they find out who’s responsible. But please be respectful enough to realize things are not always what they seem and realize these are people with real families that love them and will be devastated about what has happened. These people in this car died in a horrific way and I hope whomever is responsible pays for it.
Why do you leave such harsh comments for the victums family an friends? Its so easy to juge others isnt it? who cares what these people did for a living no life should be taken to soon. You all shouldnt be so worried about if they where on welfare or if they had a drug problem. None of that really matters it dont make them less of a person. What about the person who started the fire Im sure the car just didnt start all by it self. I think that is what I would want to know seeing how there the ones still out there. Just saying!!!
Remember the saying if you dont have nothing nice to day dont say it at all!!!!!
Which one of you people making all of these assumptions/accusations/comments, know those involved? Maybe you should let your comments stick to, “this is such a horrible thing to happen”. or “what a tragedy.”. Where they are from has nothing to do with how this happened or if it did or didn’t involve money and/or drugs. Things happen and if you have no connection to anyone involved you will not know what happened until the police do, and if you do you should keep it to yourself, and if you do not then stop trying to play detective. All you are doin is making eachother angry and looking like a bunch of know-it-alls, and throwing out a bunch of guesses, that may be somewhat close but are not correct. Express your sadness or grief and get on, how or why it happened is beyond you to figure out without knowing something so let it go. And leave the bath salts comments out of it, it’s irrelevant. Maine may have a problem with it but it’s not related to every crime and case. Stay safe, keep your head up.
I like you screen name and your comments
I’m pretty sure that the point isn’t that you would be murdered if you do drugs, but rather that someone who lives that type of lifestyle knows about and accepts the possible consequences of it.
I’m not saying I think that this is the case with this incident, but your summary of the other peoples’ points was so far out of left field it was appalling.
The story now becomes drug related…myself and several friends had to take Tylenol after reading all the rants! Good Grief folks, lets wait for some real facts to come in!
They have not said if the bodies are female or male, But most likely its a drug deal gone bad.
I’m completely disgusted at how heartless people can be. 3 people are dead, and 3 families are destroyed. I knew the women who was in the car. No she didn’t always make the best of choices but she had a huge heart and was always smiling. Now her daughter will never remember her mother. So stop being so cold hearted and think about if you would want people saying this about your loved one/ friend no matter what they may have been doing! No matter what nobody deserves to have this happen to them!
Give it up. She contributed nothing, and society is better off without her.
I am disturbed by the tone that this thread has taken. Honestly, if you start an argument, name call or act condescendingly toward others – your neighbors – what do you think you accomplish? This is not a debate. It is a news story about a horrible incident that really
requires nothing from you other than your compassion toward those who lost loved ones. It is stories like this that should remind us that this kind of thing shouldn’t happen, and it does only when we fail to see the consequences of the choices we make – including petty fights online. The world will only be better when we choose to be better. Sweeten up.
Hey KAt, some people never wait for the facts to form an opinion,nor let them get in the way when they are released.If i may quote Ron White,”You can’t fix stupid.”It always makes me feel better when i think of that nugget of wisdom.:) I’m sorry you witnessed something so horrible,but i think you are the type that can make the best of a bad situation.Talk about it .do not bottle it up inside.To all you armchair CSI’s, here’s a bit of advice for you.I am para-phrasing, but remember it is better to keep quiet and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
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I think it’s called the internet disinhibition effect, or something like that.
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Society’s vulgarization and decline in standards are spreading everywhere, and the internet and social media are accelerating the process. Pretty soon there won’t be any inhibitions, anywhere.
I know this sounds crass, but exactly what is so horrible about this incident? Criminals were killed by other criminals, who will now go to jail for a long time.
It seems like a lot of trash was just taken off the streets. This is good new for actual law-abiding citizens and quality people; there is no net loss in this situation.
I wish I had some info that would help this senseless act get solved, but at 3:00 or 3:30 am I was at home sleeping so I could get up to go to work.
The only thing I have to say is if you look at the picture of the front of the cars plate it is 583-899 not 583-399. That might help a little if you have the right plate number.
Does not Matter, they already are identified. They are not releasing the names. I know two of them but i will not release names either for the familys sake.
Exactly. Because even though a lot of us are almost positive who they are, some don’t realize the mom of of one of the possible victims is in ICU and we don’t want her to find out yet due to the fact she is very sick and we are know how devastated she will be because she loves her kids more than life itself.
Exactly, but i was not gonna say that, but i heard she was in icu. My heart goes out to her for sure and the rest of the family. These Posters need to drop it about drugs and welfare. It is getting really sick of hearing
You know them, I’m just curious…is it false, or are you just sick of hearing it?
Oh man, so sad.
blessings to her…♥♥♥
How were they able to ID them so quickly? I thought yesterday they said they would need to use DNA testing? For the families’ sake, I really hope they’ve been ID’ed already. Knowing for sure is better than wondering, no matter how terrible the outcome.
It may matter. Maybe not as to the victims identities per se’, but possibly to the perpetrator’s identity. With that said, I don’t think the police are reading the BDN to get the details when they are holding the actual license plate.
Regardless or why these people were there, it is still a tragedy. These were someone’s children, someone’s sisters or brothers and someone’s mother and father. R.I.P.
Ok . lets face facts there is nothing good going to come out of this situation. it was 3:30 or so in the morning and your parked at automatic distributors this is either gonna be a drug issue or a murder issue or both in my opinion . I dont believe its because we have methadone clinics ,like someone said on here. People wanna blame methadone clinics the fact is we live in hard times , low paying jobs and the high cost of living around here . the state is cutting peoples welfare from out from under them . im not saying some people dont abuse the welfare system before everyone starts bashing me lol. you cant just take stuff away and expect everything to be ok. we are just starting to see the repercussions of what people that have nothing to lose will do. Its only just begun. people are going to get high, drunk whatever it takes to deal with there hard times and with that comes bad choices. crime is on the rise big time here in the way life should be state, may as well get use to it. Did you all really think maine would never catch up with the rest of this country. :/
In any other city there would be no argument- this is a classic drug argument gone bad- usually involving turf & money. I have much sympathy for the families; it is disturbing that this practice of retribution has now shown up in Bangor. However, this practice has been around for years in other areas of the country.
i lived in brockton for decades. the place quickly went from 1 or 2
murders a year to 17-25 murders a year…..as the drugs society
poured into the city
one morning i woke up and there were 2 shot up bodies on the sidewalk
and police tape in front of my aprtment buidling i had to walk around ,
to go to work
bangor is a brockton waiting to happen
bytheway, BAT is the name of the brockton city bus lines too
“bytheway, BAT is the name of the brockton city bus lines too”
That has to be one of the most useless correlations I’ve seen on this comment board, and that’s saying a lot.
thanks that really means alot to me. considering there
have een perhaps well over 500,000 comments on the board
think i will get a newspaper forum award?
You get my vote.
‘Westgate’ is a big name in brockton too, as in
westgate nursing home in brockton
westgate plaza in brockton
westgate pharmacy in brockton
westgate service center in brockton
brockton and bangor may be long lost sister cities
@ Pitbull… WOW,that gives Mainers hope,doesn’t it!? :o… I am originally from Dallas,Tx. and I can honestly say,I will NEVER go back! Too much crime and waaaayyyy too many people!!
If people had any common sense it doesnt matter what state you live in there is DRUGS EVERYWHERE! Go to cali, FL, NH, Mass, VT, NJ, VA, PA, any of the 50 states and you will find drugs so it doesnt matter what you take away from a town drugs are still there. Murders, break ins, thefts its all there in any place you may go. People say small towns are more likely to have them, some say cities are more likely but either way it DOESNT MATTER it is every where, there isnt much more to be done than what is already trying to be done. Sitting on the computer complaining about it is not going to change a damn thing not even if a drug user sits here and reads it. A person has to want to change inorder for it to happen but 90% of those who do things like this WANT to do it. People of ALL ages are doing actions that others do not agree of. I laugh when a “older” group blames it on us “younger” generation because when going thru the paper there is just as many older generation as there is younger generation getting in trouble for the same horrible actions they themselves choose to take. Take a look at your own family and family history you can NOT say there is not someone in your family that is or has been involved in drugs, theft, break ins, guns etc. No ones perfect and personally i think its pretty sad that me being in the “younger” generation can look at everything in a better perspective that alot of the “older” generation. Get a grip people live your own lives and stop worrying about eveyone elses.
Well, that’s the way the “younger generation” is…yes, we’re bad, but so are you so you can’t judge us! Didn’t you know that? :D
Seriously though, that sounds a bit like a politician, where age is not a factor.
If these father of a 7 year old is one of the victims in the car him only being in his late 20’s is going to cause people to start bashing the “younger” generation especially since Lee mentioned he was at a party but older generation still parties pretty hard themselves..
It is not so much against the younger generation. They have much more options with the available oxy or heroin that the older generation were not exposed to when they were young. They drank and smoked. That was the big bad then which is nothing now. It is also the economy and younger people don’t see a way out to a better life (false beliefs or not it is hard to get a leg up for this generation). This younger generation has a lot more stacked against them. No doubt.
And, in other ways they have more opportunity than any generation before them. It’s all what you make of it. It always has been.
I beg to differ, I know alot of people in the older generation who had access to the same items the younger generation is now. They just had to find other ways to find it. Yes the younger generation alot of them dont use their brains they use the phrase “live in the moment, for tomorrow you never know will happen” Any ways the whole point of my post wasnt about the difference between generations it was the fact that no matter where a person goes there are drugs its a matter of people being smart enough to say no.
Theoutsideeye, perhaps you don’t get it, but Bangor has a higher crime rater than many other towns/cities across America. It has to do with the quality of people. The quality of people in Maine is not good.
Wow this is aboslutly disgusting to hear all you people that have absolutly no clue about what is going on, I personally lived in maine for over a year and still had my florida plates on my truck,because it was my realitives truck and It was given to me(still registered in her name) so just because it had Out of state plates means NOTHING… And I as well know the victims, and No ONE knows what really happened, so as for all of you that shoot around your acusations then shove them because you really have no idea.. Let the Police figure it out then Make acusations PLEASE.. Did it ever occur to any of you that the victims family maybe reading these comments? What would you think if it was you family ? Even if it was drug related !!!! Rip
My heart goes out to ALL the friends and family involved… especially the little ones… I cannot believe the direction this State is going in.It use to be the ideal place to raise your family and now,I just don’t know!? :{
Drug involvement or not, knowing that one of my childhood friends, someone whom was tied into my life, and who has left a beautiful baby girl behind, was burned to death by some scumbag coward who is not man/woman enough to own what they did, is hard enough without having to read the ignorance of some people who have no clue what it is like to be someone who loved those people. I don’t care if you use drugs one day or thirty years, you are still a human, & there are still people who care about those humans. If you can’t have sensitivity for those involved, have some for those who loved the people in that car <3.
Drug involvement or not, knowing that one of my childhood friends, someone whom was tied into my life, & whom has left behind a beautiful baby girl, was burned to death by some scumbag whom is not man/woman enough to own up to what they did, is hard enough without having to read the ignorance of some people. I don’t care if you use drugs for one day or thirty years, you are stil a human and there are people who care about those humans. If you can’t have sensitivity for those involved, have some for those that loved the people in that car <3.
Was your dear friend involved in drugs or other criminal activity? Did he place himself into dangerous situations, or resort to crime himself, to feed his habit? Did he have a fondness for handguns? If you answer yes to most or any of these, well, your friend died as he lived. It’s his own fault.
Okay, I have seen enough comments talking about how this is such a “tragedy.”
A “tragedy” is when a nice family gets killed in an accident, or a plane crashes and innocent, law abiding citizens die.
What we have here is criminal druggie trash being killed by other criminal druggie trash. In the end, all that happened is that druggie criminals are gone, either by death or going to prison.
THIS IS NOT A TRAGEDY. Stop acting like it is. Society is no worse off by what happened, and is actually better off. Save your tears for their “poor families;” if they cared about their families or society in general, they wouldn’t have been involved in what they were doing in the first place.
People choose their own lifestyle, their own values. In the world of drugs that means a highrisk of death by one means or another. You engage in risky behaviour, you are often called to pay for it. Yes, I feel badly for these families & yes, this was evil. The world of drugs is an evil world.Keep away from it & you will not find yourself dead in a burning car, leaving family behind.