BANGOR, Maine — After autopsies were completed Tuesday afternoon on the three bodies found inside a charred vehicle early Monday morning, the Maine attorney general’s office took over the case.

“Under state law, the attorney general directs any investigations that could potentially be a homicide,” Assistant Attorney General Andrew Benson said shortly after the autopsies were completed. “When you have bodies found in a burning car, it’s highly suspicious.”

The names of the three people whose bodies were found in the white Pontiac four-door car with Rhode Island plates are being withheld, Benson said.

“I did ask the medical examiner to withhold the cause of death, manner of death and the identities until their identities can be confirmed and the families can be notified,” he said.

Benson went to the location of the car fire Monday and reviewed the scene.

While the autopsies were under way Tuesday, Bangor police continued to work to identify a person seen in a surveillance camera running away from the burning car.

“We’re trying to determine who that person in the video is,” Bangor police Sgt. Paul Edwards said Tuesday morning.

The burning car was discovered by a woman on her way to work about 3:30 a.m. Monday in the back parking lot of Automatic Distributors, located at 22 Target Industrial Circle. After the flames were extinguished, firefighters found three bodies that were burned beyond recognition. No one was in the driver’s seat, according to photos taken by the Bangor Daily News on Monday.

A person is visible on surveillance images taken from Automatic Distributors.

“They did see one person running away,” employee Gary Shaw said Monday morning.

Several fire investigators from the state fire marshal’s office, as well as detectives and a canine unit from Maine State Police, helped Bangor investigators collect evidence at the scene throughout the day and into the night Monday. Edwards described the relationship among the three agencies as unique and beneficial, especially since Bangor conducts its own suspicious death and fire investigations.

Four people who believe the victims are friends of theirs arrived at the scene Monday night after talking to Bangor police detectives. They said they feared that their friends were dead because the friends got into a white Pontiac with Rhode Island plates after leaving a birthday party early Monday and afterward no one was able to get in touch with them.

Bangor resident Shannon Lee, who believes the father of her daughter and the sister of his girlfriend were in the burned-out car, said she brought her daughter to the police station Tuesday morning to provide a DNA sample.
Instead, police asked her to describe her ex’s tattoos and where they were located.

“They said at this point they probably didn’t need the DNA,” Lee said.

Another woman, a longtime friend of the 25-year-old sister believed to have been in the car, said the sister was identified by a metal plate in her arm.

She said the woman’s sister left the birthday party early because she didn’t feel well but expected her sister and her boyfriend, who fathered Lee’s child, to arrive later at her home.

For some reason the sister awoke at 4 a.m. and found they were not at the house. She called Lee about 5:30 a.m. to see if he was at her home.

“It just doesn’t make sense,” Lee said. “I just don’t understand.”

Police are still interested in speaking to anyone who may have seen the white 2001 Pontiac four-door sedan with Rhode Island plates anytime over the weekend, Edwards said.

“This is the car three people were dead inside — it’s important,” he said. “If anybody has seen that car, if we can know where it was — that would be helpful.”

On Tuesday morning, the charred Pontiac remained where it was discovered a day earlier. The blaze was hot enough to burst the car’s windows and pop its tires, leaving the charred shell of the Pontiac with its hood up. The intense fire burned the interior so badly that little remains except for a single wire frame where the seats once were.

Two police officers guarded the car and a yellow police line barred onlookers from getting too close until it was moved to a secure location Tuesday afternoon.

Edwards said the store’s video would be released to the public only if its use could further the investigation.

After learning the victim’s names would not be released on Tuesday, Lee reacted by saying, “I cannot live like this.”

Those with information about the investigation may call the Bangor Police Department at 947-7382. The department’s anonymous tip line can be reached by pressing ext. 6.

BDN writer Andrew Neff contributed to this report.

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  1. I know they said the video quality is poor but is there anything they could say about the person running away to help locate him/her?  Hair length?  What they were wearing?  Seems like if they released an image someone might know something. 

    1.  Again, it’s the authorities’ love of being the only people “in the know.” They won’t release anything yet because they enjoy the feeling of holding power over the common citizen.

  2. We’re trying to determine who that person in the video is,” Bangor police Sgt. Paul Edwards said Tuesday morning.

    Well…… lets see the video then. Show it to the public… maybe we can help.

    1. I agree, but you have to understand the sensitivity of crime scene materials – even survellience video. I’m sure they will disclose the video or a picture from the video as soon as they can. We can’t just rely on what BDN will publish. Maybe visit the local television stations to see if the police have released the video yet.

      1. Are you kidding? Compared to what the BDN has done with this story, television stations have NOTHING. I haven’t seen any clips of this video, so I doubt police are comfortable releasing it to the public at this point. My guess is they might have some decent leads and don’t want the video compromising their chances of catching the person(s). 

        1. and ya WONT see any of the video unless they think it’ll help the case. I had a best friend get murdered 10 yrs ago in Florida, and they are still all hush hush about it.

      2. TV “reporters” were repeating the same story last night that they’d been running all day.  “It will take days before identification,” one said. 

        Meanwhile, Reporter Ricker  scooped them all when she interviewed a woman who believed the father of her daughter had died in the burning car.  BDN coverage of this triple homicide has beaten all of the other media.

        If you can’t rely on the BDN, why read it and then  make disparaging remarks? 

        1. Kinda makes one wonder why the AG’s Office has taken over. Bangor Police are one a few agencies that are authorized by the AG’s Office to investigate murders, now they swoop in and take it over. Who or what is connected to this case? Will be interesting to see what comes out of this case.

          1. My guess is it crosses state lines, wouldn’t be surprised to see the FBI swoop in as well once they announce who’s involved. 

          2. That’s right.  The alleged guy in the car that burned has been arrested many times for drugs (google it) and crossing state lines to get the goods.  In 2009, he was arrested along with three others in Massachusetts. They had a stash of cocaine on their way back to Maine.  Three were from Maine and one from New York.  FBI is humming now on this case.

          3. Looks that way or someone thought he back stabbed him.  Or just plain rotten dirty person for what ever reason.  It makes sense the guy from New York when they were stopped in Massachusetts had the most on him.  Maybe he thought it was a set up.

          4. It is surprising. First time I’ve seen this happen. Must have some state wide implications>  Just guessing, of course.  

          5. maybe it is connected to the florida firefighter turned drugrunner who also was murdered. the guy is sitting in jail waiting for trial in belfast . remember him. remember how the car was ditched in walmart parking lot 

        1. Check out the profiles of the 2 suspected victims. The guy is smoking pot and flashing gang signs…you are from Hermon! Wanna be gangsters playing with big boys, I suspect. Productive, contributing members of society…Not!

          1. WLBZ website reported the names from one of the baby mammas. Put their names in the search on FB.

    2. The six o’clock news has given a couple names of who two of the people in the car from reports.  If you do not believe  go to local news and than go the guys name on facebook.  You will see testimony; where are you? Call me…and so 0n.  Very sad.

    3.  The police enjoy keeping knowledge of the crime secret. It feeds into their egos that they are more “important” than everyone else. They do it all the time.  “We’re withholding details of the crime, because it makes us feel more important than you meddling citizens, even though if we released the details, it would help us solve the crime.”  Business as usual.

      1. Jne, you couldn’t be more misinformed. They want to be SURE they have the details correct before they mistakenly rattle off a wrong identity or theory. They’re doing their jobs and releasing names and important pieces of the puzzle at this point would likely compromise their ability to arrest someone, let alone secure a conviction. Stay in your armchair and keep quarterbacking. 

      2. Seriously?  I think the police have more important things to do (like solving crimes) than walk around all puffed-chested because they are “more special” than us lowly citizens they risk their lives to protect.

        Not to mention, they want to be sure what information they have is correct and accurate before they go and “blab” it to social networks or the press. No quicker way to have a case thrown out than to have compromised evidence or have some one get away with something because they were tipped off by some one else.

      3. When and if they have a suspect it is vital for interrogation that some details are not released….Only the guilty person would know specific details surrounding the crime.

    4. I agree!   If these kids know who this is  they won’t talk.  We have nothing to fear we would talk. 

  3. Personally I do not feel that the gentleman should have said anything about the clarity of the video that was captured.

      1. And being stupid, trying to cover up, establishing a phoney alibi, and making incriminating statements to others, statements that can be entered into evidence.

    1. For all we know, it could offer a pristine picture of the POI… don’t accept everything from police as honest fact, they are very good at manipulation.

    2. It was the woman that said that…The girl that thinks it’s her daughters father…The police didn’t say it at all except to her, and now she has. Lets hope the suspect doesn’t gain more confidence because now they think they can’t be made out on the video.

  4. What stores camera picked it up again?  Just amazes me these retail/electronic outlets don’t have higher resolution cameras running.  It certainly would be beneficial but at the same time it’s hard to see anything at night on camera unless the area is well lit.

    1. Its about cost a good security camera that can work well enough at night is very expensive. Also because all the video has to be stored either on a hard drive or tape, the quality will be downgraded to save space.

    2. Stratham tire and Automatic Distributors. I am willing to bet the store’s target viewing area with the cameras is very clear, this just went on well outside of it. I have cameras that even in the pitch black provide a very good image, but after 50 feet or so the lens angle is too wide and resolution is too low for that purpose.

  5. I have another fantastic idea – All the lookey loos with the morbid curiousity should stay home, too. It may be some fascinating crime scene, but it’s also a business. 

  6. They will be caught. This case has made national headlines. Someone who knows something will come forward.

      1. After they talk to a few people who I won’t put on the spot the cops will have everything they need to get a suspect. They have prob already had the convos with them. By next Friday they will have a solid idea what happened and who they need to talk to.

          1. I know 1 of the 2 rumor has of whom they are. The third I have no idea. I was referring to some of the articles that I’ve seen on this site with the 7year old and the alleged victims families. That’s all I was getting at. Can’t say I was involved in any way but what I do know is people died in a manner you only see in crime movies. I feel for the families and hope the detectives give their full attention to this case.

  7. Hope they put the video on the news tonight to get some leads.  Someone may notice the clothing from earlier in the evening, like at the party some had attended.  

  8. Release the video of the suspect.  There’s probably someone out there who can ID the person running away.

  9. If they are not going to show the video what do they expect the public to do for them?
    There has to be someone from these 3 familys that will be looking for them so I hope they determine
    who is who and why they ended up there. I know the speculations out there are “drug related” but what if it wasnt? I think we will all be anxious to find out why these poor souls died the way they did. It is going to be very hard for their family and friends with tragic news like this. Condolences to all their familys.

      1. There is no report yet on how they died…thats why I said we will all be anxious to find out the how and the why.

        1.  It sounds like it may be if the drivers seat was empty.  The driver shoots the passengers and does the torch job, then runs away.  Hopefully it will be solved.

      1. “Police are still interested in speaking to anyone who may have seen the white 2001 Pontiac four-door sedan with Rhode Island plates anytime over the weekend, Edwards said.”  (Quoted from this article)

         You might not think they need it, but evidently , they do.

        1.  They said they would release the video if they needed to.  Maybe even in poor quality it will be enough for the people they are talking to to make an identification.  There is no sense in exposing what evidence they have to the entire world if they don’t need to.  Let them do their jobs. They were trained to do this.  Were you?

          1. I never claimed to be trained at anything re: this story…are you?
            Is there any particular reason why my entry bothers you? I only repeated what the story said…if you dont like it then take it up with the person who put the story on this website.
            I never said anything about how they are doing their job except to quote what was already said to the person who asked me a question. 

          2. You said…

            “I never said anything about how they are doing their job except to quote
            what was already said to the person who asked me a question. ”

            yet you also said …

            “You might not think they need it, but evidently , they do.”

            This indicates you do not believe the police are capable of doing their jobs.  That was why I posted.  Sorry if you took offense, but you asked why I commented on your post.  Now you know.

          3. I said: “You might not think they need it, but evidently , they do.”
             
            I Replied  to this from another reader: ” I don’t think they need the public to do anything for them.

            Because the article said this: Police are still interested in speaking to anyone who may have seen the white 2001 Pontiac four-door sedan with Rhode Island plates anytime over the weekend, Edwards said.”

            Hope we are clear on this now. Have a great day. :o)

        2. Would it make you feel better if I added beyond what they have already asked for.  Let’s see the girl has already come forward that was one of the last to see them alive, other people have come forward thinking they knew the victims, do you think maybe they might have asked a few questions of these people? Car’s owner had been identified, he might have had to answer a few questions, Facebook has lit up with comments re: the victims.   So yeah i dont think they need the public to do anything for  them.  Oh Yeah except they would like to speak to anyone who may have seen the Pontiac four door………..    

          1. “Oh Yeah except they would like to speak to anyone who may have seen the Pontiac four door……….. ”
            That isnt asking for the publics help? lol

          2. We have some beautiful Churches here in the Caribou area. Perhaps some Spiritual Healing might help you have a great day. 
            Again, Condolences to the familys and may they find peace at this terrible time.

          3. You need to find something to do today instead of picking apart what people are saying. We all have a comment on here that pretty much all says the same thing. Find someone else to bully.

  10. we can track people thru DNA..put people on the moon..but there is never a good camera around when ya need one..geessshh

      1. Well,  even people who seem to know two of the people in the car have been very respectful to not let those names out on here.  It was someone from the house where the party was and a grandmother of one, both gave the same two names to wlbz.  The big dog must be loving the news channels then.

    1.  Too many people don’t like the idea of Big Brother watching everything we do.  On a different subject – maybe the surveillance drones got some good footage.
      A sad thing this happened.
       

  11. I’m absolutely sure that the good citizen seen on the surveillance  footage will call the police as soon as he/she sees that they are needed for questioning.

    Me, I’d be making arrangements for a Cayman Island tour.

  12. Whatever you do.. so NOT post a still-frame of the video w/ the witness visible.  Since you are trying to figure out who a certain member of the public is, it would be counterproductive to ask the general public for help.

  13. So, the runner was the person driving the car that night.  Who knows the person driving the car when they left the party?  Call it in to the police.

    1. The runner must have been the killer.  Bet they were shot and doused with gasoline.  

      Once police find out where the party was, and who attended, we’ll be reading an entirely different story.  

  14. The Bangor PD know who torched the car, now just waiting to put the pieces together to see who actually pulled the trigger. That is my “opinion” of course. Isn’t this an opion board after all?

  15. Shannon has to take her 7 year old daughter to the PD station to have a DNA a swab… I cannot image what Shannon has to go through to explain what is going on to her sweet, angel and how will this absorb into her small  innocent child. So much pain and agony at an early age. My thoughts and prayers for all families and friends of the individuals.

  16. So we have reports that a young man and woman got into a car fitting this description when they left a party. My guess is that the driver was the third victim. Some people are quick to say it was drug related but it could be they didn’t know the killers at all. It could be robbery, road rage, whatever in which case nobody at that party has anything else the cops can use. I’m hoping they didn’t already have a jug of gasoline and they didn’t find one in the trunk of the Pontiac. If they stopped somewhere to fill a gas can at that hour, it’s probably on video.

    1. A robber’s goal is to rob, not to intentionally harm people. Sure, it could happen if the victim fights back, but I find that scenario seriously unlikely.
      Good call w the gas. I hope they stopped at the Irving on Odlin.

      1. Maybe the local robbers are like that but we don’t know if the people who did this are local.

        1.  Not trying to argue. Just saw a special recently on national news about people who fight back in robberies getting hurt. When convicted robbers were interviewed, they wouldn’t hurt anyone unless the robbery went bad. It isn’t their “M.O.” and it isn’t what they set out to go do.

          Time will tell.

    2. There was no one in the driver’s seat.  So, the runner was the driver.  Whoever was driving the car.  It was reported today.

      1. Um, maybe they killed the original driver and pushed his body to the passenger side so that a live person could drive the car to the place where they were going to torch it. I know that’s rocket science but think it through.

  17. all the high profiles seem to end up in bangor. the florida  drug runner. his car ended up at walmart. wonder if those two cases are connected 

  18. FTA–Assistant Attorney General Andrew Benson said shortly after the autopsies were completed. “When you have bodies found in a burning car, it’s highly suspicious.”

    Wow. Just….wow.

  19. I cannot say for sure but given todays technologies and people squalking…just a matter of time before this is all figured out. “You” are always being watched!

  20.  I wanna know why the guy whose car it was, WASN’T in the drivers
    seat??  Tells me someone drove the 3 bodies out there just to light the
    car up and take off in the other car that was seen on the video.  Wish
    the police would look and see who was filling up a gas can on some gas
    station surveillance footage around that hour.. this was obviously
    premeditated and whoever did this has to already have a record because
    the average person I can’t imagine would be capable of murdering 3
    people and then burn their bodies.. maybe police should look into who
    has been released from prison as of recent?

    1.  you seem to have information the rest of us dont. I’ve review’d all the local tv stations news reports and dont find anything to suggest the owner of the vehicle wasnt in the driver’s seat. its also possible the suspect killed the 3 before driving to the burn scene and pushed the original driver into the passenger seat.

      1. Some of these people just don’t understand that bodies in a car doesn’t always mean the people were killed in the car.

  21. This type of crime is likely WAY out of the Bangor PD’s capabilities but, with the way Bangor is rapidly going downhill, the officers are learning lots of new skills these days! 

  22. Well if they were at a party wouldn’t you look up the resident that had the party to figure out who was at this party??  Wouldn’t you check the cell phone records, their FB accounts and Im sure something would give them a clue by looking into that??  This will drag on for days, it’s all over fb on who 2 of the victims are so why don’t they just release the names?  Doesn’t make any sense to me.

    1. Anyone can say whatever they choose on Facebook.  Reporters and officers of the law, however, have a few laws and codes of conduct that they adhere to (a/k/a professionalism).  Further, the officers have a job to do.  That job likely does not include informing you and I that they are checking phone records, talking to individuals at the party, etc.  

  23. This fits Mexican style drug killings or mafia style witness killings, anything else is random whacko shiznit.  Either way what are you going to do about it? 

  24. Funny how the newspaper and news haven’t released the names but look on facebook of students from Hermon High and you will get the names of who died in the fire.  I saw pictures of one of the people holding guns and pointing them towards the person taking the picture taken a while ago I imagine.  Also heard that drugs was probably involved but not necessarily the cause of what happened, but who knows for sure at this point.  Couple people upset that they weren’t there to help their friends.  Humm, wonder what they meant by that comment.  Sorry they didn’t help, sorry they just weren’t around when it all happened.

    1. Anyone can say whatever they choose on Facebook.  Reporters and officers of the law, however, have a few laws and codes of conduct that they adhere to (a/k/a professionalism)

      1. That’s a good thing. My  God, what a bunch of ignorant comments on this site.  One of the byproducts of online posting is  the glimpse it gives into just how massive  the dumbass factor is among the BDN readership.

    1. It was drugs, probably had a really bad headache and wanted to eat some more Tylenol to help them sleep before their 40 hour slave week at work, and needed moneys? Lol. Maybe some nyquil, ofcourse I’m down playing possibility of food additives and other drugs you consume on a daily basis trying to hypocritically shun anyone whos not on the same drugs your on; lets see they smoked pot on a normal basis and some dude decided it was worth killing 3 people for some weed? Na probably bath salts right? LOL. We have a winner here boys.

  25. too bad youse mainers voted NO in the 1990s to having the death penalty in maine

    who ever gets arrested for this crime,they may be in prison a long time but they will still have a chance to be free someday again.    unlike the 3 victims in the car that will be dead, forever

  26. Some one seen them enter that car, some one knows who was driving it, or at least knows what this person looks like. I don’t know folks but this sure feels like it was planned by that person running from the car.

  27. It would seem the police  know who the 3 or 4 people are and prob just want to make sure they know which one ran away, and or started fire, or they would have shown us the video  or wnt to try to solve the case by themselves, but as usual  the starting place of the incident suggests  there is not going to be a conclusion that will surprise many folks, probably  drug related but all there friends seem to be naieve about it in the media. 
        

  28. I read the news everyday, and everyday I seem to come across more and more of this type of crap.  I often think to myself that my wife and children and I are in a better place, living in rural Maine, this sort of thing isn’t supposed to happen.  Unfortunately it seems like it is happening all too often now.  This world we live in is turning right to crap faster and faster each day that goes by.  I guess what I am trying to say is, what the hell happened?  Is it just that now with the internet and cell phones and what not that these type of things are more publicized or is it just the fact that the human race is devolving into a bunch blood thirsty drug fueled animals…?  Who really knows, I sure don’t…

    1. The bismal murder and violent crime rate in maine is not something to compare to the real world, and makes you look quite ignorant. This type of thing happens everyday multiple times a day in many states, other countries its common occurrence and the fact everybody seems to have phone cameras these days, it just is made available to the general public which can’t handle “reality” and come to some conclusion things are changing, when in reality this has always occurred, around the world everyday.  If you can’t handle reality then probably would help staying off the non censored sites that provide real world media from war zones, mexican drug cartels, ect ect. A few people dead in a car isn’t exactly “the world is over” status, calm down.

          1. @twocentspls Why wouldn’t they? Nobody cares about webster’s or what words are “officially” words, that is probably resulting from OCD to critique spelling on the internet like its English class and we are correcting each others homework. Yes I’m sure you’ve got in some intense debates about what words are words, ect. Nobody cares.

            @clarafire
            I’m not trying to make you sound foolish, but I’ll go ahead and pass your ignorance off as unintentional. A few dead people is just that, a few dead people. You seem to care alot when its 3 random bangor area people but geographically outside your local area, and outside of maine; you know in the real world this type of occurrence is common. The ONLY reason you don’t see this on a daily occurrence, is not because people aren’t “drugged up” or “high” enough yet, its because we have alot smaller population and are not surrounded by heavily populated areas, you don’t have that many people coming here every day for going past bar habor for anything, You could chop some trees down, play around a campfire, drink every day/weekend, 4wheel down the same trails, fish (amazing aventure right?)  in peace and all when your not working to pay bills ect ect, basically you should just be an outdoors type person anywhere north of bangor/barhabor, not that there is anything comparable in that area to big cities.

            Its probably a blessing because if we had half the attractions and population as real world cities do, you would see the same equal increase in crime/violent crime. As mentioned already and I agree, I would highly doubt if this person who is responsible was even a Mainer tbh, it doesn’t seem logical but time will tell. What behavior exactly are you implying you put a end too? What? Posing with guns if you have tattoos, only posing with guns if your hunting a deer with a flannel shirt on, no no ma’m all these kids were raised with the hip hop culture and its too late to withdraw now, mainstream market promotes this. I don’t have much to say about the personal aspects of people I’m not going to judge via facebook pics because even though it may be relevant, its not appropriate. If you can’t actually say any of this to the grieving families faces, I don’t know why you would bother on BDN comments section full of anonymous people/nobodies. 

            I agree though, if he was holding a deer hunting rifle, had “tylenol” lined up (because thats the good kind everyone likes to pop for their 40 work weeks then hate on drug addicts like they aren’t using drugs/additives on a daily basis), then he would have probably got a different first image embedded into random nobodies minds that feel its necessary to offer personal judgement on someone, as if anything that facebook profile deemed him worth to be killed, but at the same time we are semi-blaming “culture”, which just fails to take much grasp in maine considering its mostly stoners and welfare recipients; A few national low end university students (pretty much high school material), some community college students and so on, but we are quick to judge :p.

            Not even bothering with typos I don’t even know what I’m commenting on this for lol.

      1. But it has not occurred here everyday and perhaps some of us do not want this to become the new normal in our community.  Perhaps we instead want a stop put to this type of behavior before it becomes an everyday occurrence.  Perhaps some of us don’t want to be so callous as to accept “a few people dead in a car” as no big deal.

      2. Yeah man I’m trying to raise a set of kids.  This crap is hard to explain.  My daughter is younger so its just my boy right now, but I had to tell him that he CAN’T read the news without an adult around to give perspective on it, because he gets all wound up and upset. I have lived in this area my whole life, and I dare say in the last 5 years there has been more BS on the news in that time frame than there ever was for the whole rest of my life.  It may not be the end of the world, but its the end of the way this area used to be.  The BDN didn’t have these headlines fifteen years ago when I was still in high school, I assure you of that.

    2. This is in reply to your post and not meant to relate to the news story, necessarily.  Like you, I have been inclined to think that the daily Police Beat small time drug related articles have been brought to the forefront with the internet age and that is why they seem so much more prevalent.  But, now I am becoming less convinced of that.  I remember when I was in high school there were plenty of drugs around, some more harmful than others.  But, there was also a lot of fear of drugs by most young people and a lot of political rhetoric about the “war on drugs” and tv commercials about the dangers of drugs.  Now, politicians mostly ignore drug use (when was the last time you heard a national politician campaign with an anti-drug theme?) and the pharmaceutical companies have convinced doctors to prescribe addictive pain meds to the point where the black market is flooded with them and taking “legal” drugs for some is as normal as eating.  I wonder how much the legal production of narcotics has increased over the past 20 years…  It seems that now drug use of one type or another is more than ever before ingrained into our culture.  And, while in the ’60’s you could be busted for a seed on your floor mat, you can now go to the clinic and get a dose on the public dime.  That’s the difference.

  29. Pretty sad your talking about a story that is not even here, and we have three dead people and you all care about is kfc and its taste

  30. So…  purely opinion here…and nor will I ever admit to knowing facts…but an article from WLBZ mentions two possible identities of the 3 that were in that car..

    http://www.wlbz2.com/news/article/210701/2/Families-provide-DNA-to-identify-victims-of-car-fire

    Daniel Borders, Hermon – do a Google on this guy and he unfortunatly has a history of drug problems with the law, most recent this past March.

    interesting…also..

    Nicole Lugdon, Bangor

    My Prayers & Thoughts go out to the families of all involved…tragic.,…so sorry

    ….don’t shoot the messenger…

    1.  Do shoot the messenger. I googled that stuff yesterday. I didn’t find anything that’s relevant to these deaths at this point in time because we don’t have the type of information that would make it relevant. For all I know, these three people might have been going to Denny’s for an early breakfast and ran into a pair of traveling psychopathic serial killers. You’re making slanderous insinuations and trying to stir up trouble for those who are grieving.

      1. If by “slander” you mean factually accurate, then I agree…
        When’s this area going to stop with the holier than thou social worker crap and start calling these dirtbags on their choices?

        1. well I haven’t seen anything yet connecting this crime to their “choices” so that makes you the biggest dirtbag of them all.

          1. Wow, you are way out of line on this one.  You seem to be taking it personally.  If indeed this situation is very close to you, please do not take it out on people here.  

          2. I don’t know any of these people at all so it’s nothing personal. I think a lot of people here are familiar with your posts in general. That says it all.

          3. What a mean thing to say.  My opinion is my opinion; some will agree and some will not.  Same for everybody.  I just don’t understand why you are being so nasty.  Do you work for the BPD Paul?

          4. I don’t work for BPD. Your opinion is definitely premature and thus offensive. It’s so ironic that your screen name refers to “civility” because you are demonstrating a lack of it.

          5.  Yeah, I’ve noticed that most enablers in this town fail to see how “choices” lead to “consequences”. Treating every drugged up wanna be gangsta in this town like a victim has only encouraged the spread of the mindset, not “helped” anything… It’s too bad this cant be used as an example why rural clowns shouldnt play dress up and get mixed up in things that they’ve seen on TV.

          6. I believe that Paul is making the case (and rightly so) that you are making statements about people that a) you don’t know and b) in the complete and total absence of any evidence that drugs were involved at all.

            Maybe they were and maybe they weren’t so why can’t we wait until all the AGs office releases more information?

          7. I’m really hoping people really arent THAT naive to try and justify it away when it’s pretty blatant. Yeah, they were just exchanging cake recipes 3 am on a monday morning when the guy has previous drug busts and tries to tout himself as “Scarface” publicly on facebook…
            When you’re posing like a gangsta with guns, drugs, and “wads of cash” to try and sell an impression of yourself, you dont get the “benefit of the doubt” when all you’ve tried to sell is that image.
            It’s not a loss to anyone but the daughter, but that’s on him and the baby momma for acting like idiots instead of being concerned for their kid.

          8. No one is trying to blame it away or anything of the kind. Some people are asking that we withhold judgement until all the facts are know.

            I don’t know any of the people that were in the car. I don’t know how you or anyone else knows who they are and I really don’t care.

            If they were your children or related to you, you might be singing a different tune.

          9.  No, around here, people are supposed to perpetually avoid ANY judgment, and that’s what normalizes this sort of garbage. It’s never anyones “fault” in Bangor, no matter what they do, as everythings always blamed on anything but the people responsible. If you beat your wife, it’s because you had a rough childhood. If you knock up 3 women and dont support the kids (but always have money for booze and pills), it’s that you “didnt have a good enough role model”. If you’re an addict, you’re a “victim” (because people “only” ever get addicted from being on pain pills from an accident if you read the excuses).
            This area legitimizes the worst in people usually to self validate their own poor choices, and all that’s doing is turning this place into a cesspool. I’m liberal and sick of this nonsense where everyone constantly runs to make every dirtbag a victim here. And it’s NEVER dealt with, instead “smoking in parks” ordinances get passed so the town can pretend to be some progressive utopia instead of a run down slum. 
            If this guy wanted to pretend to be a thug, like so many little rural kids dress up for thinking it’s safe to do so, he got what was coming to him. It was his own decision, and he deserves no sympathy. Neither does the family if they were fine with this, as if he was pushing, he didnt care about other peoples lives…

          10. Are you sure you are a liberal?   I could’nt agree with you more, until people acknowledge some of this stuff going on and decide it’s unacceptable instead of unavoidable it can nevr be dealt with.

          11. Would it be safe to say that they were at least  involved in drugs at some point, if the reference to the name being spelled out in oxy’s on facebook is accurate? The people responding to posts by “cynical” and “civility” are instantly judging and attacking them based on nothing more than statements of opinion they have made, for some reason that is acceptable,   if someone offers an opinion that paints the individual in less than positive light then they are excoriated by the same people telling them to not rush to judgement.

             At first people were trying to determine how it could happen as an accident, we could only hope that it was that, now it is classified as a homicide. We are not in court, people make gut judgements about events all the time, sometimes they are wrong, but often they aare pretty close to the truth, unfortunately.   

          12. Have the names of the murder victims been released by anyone yet? Are you 110% sure that you know exactly who they are?

            All some people are asking is not to rush to judgement. That’s all.

      2. The alleged guy in the car has been arrested many times for drugs.  Plus, they were to be right back to the party according to the person who had the party.  What part of a drug run don’t you understand?  I could care less where they were going, but the facts are adding up.  Time will tell.  Go look at his facebook page; guns; pot; oxys spelling out a word; tough guy self pics; smoking pot.  It is all there.  Are you getting the picture yet?  

        1.  Dude, it doesnt matter, no one is like “allowed” to see real issues around here, just “formality/manners” stuff so they can pretend they’re enlightened without actually having to deal with stuff that does matter. They’ll ignore drug use, domestic abuse, child molestation and all the real stuff, but god help you if you use the wrong fork at the dinner table.

      3. ” Do shoot the messenger” …wow…really??

        “You’re making slanderous insinuations and trying to stir up trouble for those who are grieving.”

        wow again – I had to read over my original post again cause I don’t recall doing that…stir up trouble??…um no….all I did was find information on the internet…used the copy function and then the paste function….it’s quite the process…

        breathe in…breathe out…relax….

        1. And you just had to push that information onto this forum, didn’t you? That’s a troublemaker. I’m quite relaxed.

          1. I’ll tell you who the real troublemaker is….the person or persons responsible for killing and torching those 3 people! Get a clue…

  31. The facebook pages are a good place to guage what kind of lifestyles these folks live…rampant drug references, photos holding handguns and talking like they are from the projects….looks like the projects found them in Bangor.

        1.  You’re just another example of what I was addressing. Can’t you find something better to do?

          1. I checked facebook and google soon as I got names but I didn’t see any reason to make noise about it. Like one genius here posts the link to a story about an arrest 3 years ago. That’s 3 years ago and it’s only an arrest. If you can’t figure out what’s wrong with that you’re dumber than a box of rocks.

          2. There is also an April 2012 conviction for possession of scheduled drugs and a 2009 conviction in Maine for possession, operating w/o license, condition of release violation and trafficking in dangerous knives.  So, he was no angel.   Maybe he laid low or was smart enough not to be caught in 3 years; I would bet that he was not walking the straight and narrow for those 3 years, rather, he was just lucky.  The choices we make have consequences.

          3. Maybe the bad choice was simply getting  into that car. Maybe the driver was in some very deep ____ with out of town gangsters and the other two knew nothing about it. People are quick to assume it was a drug run but it could be just about anything if the driver was already targeted. Maybe the third victim was really a narc. I mean they like to send sworn officers and undercover snitches into areas where they aren’t known. The problem is that sometimes they run into a gangster from some area they worked before. And so on. There’s all kinds of possibilities and quite often the bad choice is just being out when you really should be home.

      1. Just stating whats plain to see on their facebook pages….Peoples lifestyles are wide open for all to see. I refuse to have pity for those who CHOOSE this lifestyle…as I see it, they left the party for more party supplies(one of his facebook friends has his last name spelled out in narcotic pain pills) Id start with that winner and work my way up….or down.

    1.  Thank you!
      Half the people around here just refuse to call these scumbags out on being scumbags, pretending to be “morally superior” (in the most hypocritical of ways) in their condemnation of others noticing that many of these people ARE indeed scumbags. These people are making their own choices, but all this area seems willing to do is avoid and enable by saying only what sounds nicest in any given situation.
      Not everyone is a victim around here, but it’s really starting to seem everyone is a social worker with this unflinching defense of the worst elements of this place. It’s ok to be a wanna be thug, or a wife beater, or a junkie, but to notice they actually exist is “wrong”.

        1. Exactly!  I look at the facebook page for one of the deceased and it says over 700 friends. Should I judge the person by the profiles of those friends or by the baby pictures I see in her profile? By the way, I don’t see any sign of guns or drugs in her profile.

        1. Actually, no I dont have to show respect for people who enabled this stuff for apparently years. Instead of just saying what you think sounds nice, maybe you should look into the generational dysfunction involved with these sort of people.

        2.  Maybe the deceased should have shown some respect for their loved ones and not lived like “scumbags.”

  32. Wonder how long the BDN will wait till they find out this case has been upgraded to a Homiside?

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    One wrong move and the concoction can explode into a large fireball, authorities say.

    Also known as the “one pot” method, shake and bake meth is produced in a two-liter soda bottle. A few cold pills are mixed with common, but noxious, household chemicals and produces enough meth for the user to get a few hits….

    The new method requires little room. All of the necessary items can be carried in a backpack, making the process mobile. Drug users are making meth while driving around in their cars and throwing the used plastic bottles, containing a poisonous brown and white sludge, along the highway.

    http://alcoholism.about.com/od/meth/a/shake_and_bake.htm

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