The legal battle over Gov. Paul LePage’s removal of a labor history mural from the lobby of the Maine Department of Labor moves Nov. 5 to the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston, where a three-judge panel will hear oral arguments in the case.
Lawyers for the plaintiffs argued in their brief filed in July that U.S. District Judge John Woodcock erred when he concluded in March that LePage’s removal of the mural amounted to “government speech” rather than a violation of the public’s free speech right to view the art or the artist’s right to display it. The federal judge said that because Maine owns the mural, it is free to do what it wants with the artwork.
“We believe here that Gov. LePage has overstepped the limits and that reasonable individuals could conclude based on all of the facts of this case that the mural was not government speech, but rather was the speech of artist Judy Taylor,” Portland attorney Jeffrey Young, who represents the plaintiffs, said in July.
The 11-panel mural features women shipbuilders during World War II, the 1986 International Paper strike in Jay, child laborers and part-time Maine resident Frances Perkins, who as President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s labor secretary, was integral to the creation of a minimum wage, Social Security and other aspects of Roosevelt’s New Deal.
LePage ordered the mural removed in March 2011 because he said it presented a one-sided view of history and was not in keeping with the pro-business message of his administration.
The lawsuit was filed the following month in federal court in Bangor.
The plaintiffs are Don Berry of Sumner, president of the Maine AFL-CIO; John Newton, an industrial hygienist of Portland; and three Maine artists: Robert Shetterly of Brooksville, Natasha Mayers of Whitefield and Joan Braun of Weld.
Taylor, who created the mural, is not a party to the lawsuit.
The plaintiffs are asking the appellate court to reverse Woodcock’s decision and send the case back to federal court in Bangor for a trial before a jury.
“A reasonable juror could conclude that the mural does not constitute government speech because the state did not effectively control the message conveyed by the mural, and observers of the mural would reasonably and routinely understand it to convey the message of the artist, as opposed to the government,” Young argued in his brief to the 1st Circuit. “In addition, even if the mural were deemed to be ‘government speech,’ the governor’s removal of the mural solely in order to suppress its perceived ‘pro-union’ message nevertheless violates the First Amendment.”
Assistant Attorneys General Paul Stern and Sarah Forster disagreed in their brief to the appellate court.
“A reasonable observer’s understanding might be one of several factors for the court to consider but here it is hard to understand how a reasonable observer would not perceive that a pro-labor mural that fills a small waiting room in the bowels of the Department of Labor building, with a plaque accompanying the mural that it was Commissioned for the Department of Labor, as anything other than government speech,” they wrote on behalf of LePage.
Young countered in his brief that on the third wall of the same room where the mural was displayed is a framed 19th century pamphlet advocating for the defeat of protective child labor laws.
“Given the fact that MDOL is charged by statute with enforcing just such protective child labor laws, it seems unlikely that reasonable observers would think that the views in this pamphlet represented the views of the government,” the plaintiffs’ attorney said. “A reasonable viewer likely would understand that to the extent it was perceived to convey a message, the mural no more necessarily reflected the view of the MDOL than did the pamphlet.”
Another issue in the case is whether the so-called message conveyed in the artwork was controlled by the committee that selected Taylor or the artist herself.
“During its deliberations, the committee did not discuss what message Taylor’s mural would convey or what message or viewpoint, if any, the committee wanted the finished mural to express,” Young wrote. “Instead, [labor historian] Charles Scontras recalls that the committee selected Taylor because they found her style inviting to the eye and felt she was likely to create clear and understandable representations.”
Lawyers for the state said in their brief that Taylor was chosen “to convey the [Labor] Department’s goal regarding the labor mural.”
“She did not have free rein to do anything she wanted,” they wrote “The mural was not displayed because Taylor painted it — it was displayed because it was conceived of by the department, paid for by the department, and obviously viewed as presenting the department‘s message.”
The appeals court is not expected to issue a decision in the case until after the first of the year.
The names of the three appellate court judges assigned to the panel that will hear oral arguments were not available Sunday through the court’s electronic case filing system.
The state’s brief did address a concern that has been expressed about how the mural is being stored but did not reveal where it is being kept.
“The mural has been and is now in appropriate birch wood cases,” the brief said. “The mural is stored safely in an appropriate, climate-controlled environment. Although there were several ideas to display the mural elsewhere, those are now on hold pending the outcome of this litigation. But for this litigation, the mural would be on display today.”
LePage’s decision to remove the mural and the lawsuit that followed gained national attention, including a disapproving editorial in The New York Times and sendups by political comedians such as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
LePage initially stated that the mural displayed a one-sided view of Maine’s labor history, but said later during a September 2011 interview with NBC’s Brian Williams that his objection stemmed from the source of the money used to pay for the mural.
How the mural was funded is not an issue in the pending litigation.



Enough alreadyI may not have agree with Lepage taking down but I do not want to ever see it again.
You don’t have to even if it’s returned.
Philadelphia 1787
Founding Father & Delegate to the Constitutional Convention Gouverner Morris [one of the richest men in America at the time],
“The rich will strive to establish their dominion and enslave the rest. They always did. They always will….Wealth tends to corrupt and to nourish its love of power, and to stimulate it to oppression.”
The rich will take advantage of their [the common people’s] passions and make these the instruments for oppressing them”
The whole purpose of democracy is to place a check on the rich and powerful. Don’t throw away your vote by supporting those who democracy is designed to diminish.
And a John Jay the first Chief Justice of the United States said about 1787 or so…”The people who own the country should govern the country.” And so it is and has been and will be until the American sheep wake up and realize that they have no one to blame but themselves..
Thank you for this important quote. I’m saving it.
Good thing we live in a Republic.
“only if you can keep it ”
I know the left is working pretty hard at making it something else.
One leftist poster wanted to “vote” on the mural. That my friend is the rule of the mob, but it is Democracy.
I prefer the rule of law and our Republic.
A Democratic one. And better in the hands of Democrats like Obama.
Not much longer. :)
A republic is simply a government that gets it’s authority from the citizens not from a monarch.
There are many types of republics. Our type is a democracy. There are “unitary” republics, “federal” republics, “confederal” republics, “socialist” republics, etc…
Republic | Define Republic at Dictionary.com
noun
1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens
entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or
indirectly by them.
Democracy is a form of government
in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that
affect their lives. Democracy allows people to participate
equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the
proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.
Is the United States a democracy?
The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: “and to the republic for which it stands.” Is the United States of America a republic? I always thought it was a democracy? What’s the difference between the two?
The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly–through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies “have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths” (Federalist No. 10).
Mr. Lepage make up your mind. “one sided view or or source of money for the mural” the mural is a piece of Maine history. Please leave the mural alone. To think the amount of tax dollars spent on this issue! Appears to me a control issue.
Fort Knox is too, but he gave it to the Tea Party.
It is not now or ever will be part of Maine History. It is Union Propaganda and for that reason alone it should be distroyed..
It depicts Maine and New England’s labor history, does it not? Oh gosh, we can’t remember the past, can we?
I am willing to bet that until this story hit the newspaper you didn’t know the mural existed. You have been manipulated by the media.
And the relevance would be… ?
Obviously before it hit the media it didn’t remind you of anything because you didn’t know it existed.
Where is the reference to Logging/Farming/Fishing the real pioneers of Maines History and hard work? OH thats right reall history didn’t have unions working hard to create a home for the future for their families. They built the cities in Maine.
It’s unbelievable the extent people will go to fighting over a mural that looks like it was painted in a third grade art class. It may have been an affront to the working class to remove the “painting”, but the real insult to workers was spending hard earned tax dollars on it in the first place.
I would willingly fight every day of my life if the matter at hand was freedom of speech. What could be more important?
It’s an interesting case — and if I were the judge, I’d need a lot more information and would want to listen to a lot more viewpoints before making a decision. But that is exactly why we have art and why not all art looks like you expect it to. Art is SUPPOSED to challenge you to redefine the way you look at the world.
(This is all separate, of course, from the fact that removing the mural in the middle of the night was a politically boneheaded thing to do).
As for the cost of the mural, it cost each of us less than a nickel — and that is not counting the federal funding which reduced that cost considerably. I think the debate — whose state is it anyway? whose art is it anyway — has been well worth that 5 cent investment.
This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. It’s an interior decorating issue.
If he took down some artwork at the Blaine House, I could agree. The mural, however, was in a room at the Department of Labor that LePage had never visited. He did his “decorating” at the behest of an anonymous fax — or was it a letter? — remember that?
So it wasn’t interior decorating. It was a political stunt for his buddies at MHPC and ALEC. I’m pretty sure LePage had a good laugh about it, the night it was taken down. He won’t be laughing when he sees the Maine returns on November 6, I reckon. In the long run, his little stunt is going to cost him more than anyone. Just you wait and see.
Balderdash (polite version).
Don’t you have Maine Peoples Alliance meeting to go to?
Except that wasn’t the reason LePage gave for removing it. He removed it because HE didn’t like its message. I hope the attorney for the plaintiffs makes the point that LePage is not the government, that we the people are the government.
Perhaps you missed the point he was elected by the people. That’s how it works.
Perhaps you didn’t learn in civics class that Maine’s constitution clearly states “All power is inherent in the people.”
We do not elect a king. We elect a governor.
Perhaps you need a Constitutional refresher class. That means you elected a governor to act in your stead.
About 60 percent of Maine voters didn’t want him or his policies. It’s about time he learn a thing or two about luck and humility instead of bullying his way through every little detail.
In the grand scheme of things, this is a governor who doesn’t understand his role in government. It is not to micro-manage what goes on the walls of each state building.
And his claim that the mural would be back on display if it weren’t for this lawsuit is baloney, as is his claim that there are no records related to the mural’s removal and current location.
Whether 60% voted for someone else or not is irrelevant. LePage was elected under the directives laid out by the Constitution, which you brought into this.
And isn’t it interesting he has been keeping his mouth shut lately .So we know he IS capable of IMPULSE control when necessary.
but that is not a mandate to do what ever he wants.
It is indeed a mandate to just that. That is what you elected him to do. Use his judgement. If you disagree with his decisions then your recourse is to elect someone else next time or perhaps regret voting for a Democrat last time.
Not to do whatever he wants, Thats is like saying, well you get to do what you want for 4 years until the next election. People did dissagree and now are sueing. Being elected does not entitle you to do what ever you feel you want.
But it does entitle you to do what you like. That’s the point. Most of the country opposed Obamacare when it passed and still does. That does not make it less of a law. You may not like LePage removing the mural…. I would say most of Maine doesn’t care one way or the other. That means he has the right until such time as you elect someone else.
They have the right to disagree and sue if they want to. They can stand in front of the Governors mansion with signs. They step onto his residence they get arrested. They have the right to whine write op-ed pieces or any other manner of protest. They do not have the right to dictate to a duly elected Governor.
And when he uses BAD judgement and abuses his power Maine voters can make him impotent, and minimize the damage , BY electing D’s back into power in the legislature. And they will.
Of course. Or vote for Libby Mitchell. But in the meantime he can make judgements as he sees fit.
Is that why, when Ds are voted back into power, the first thing out of their mouths is, “Things are gonna change…elections have consequences!”?
He was elected by the MINORITY of the people–38%. It was a fluke, that the majority of the people intend to correct in November.
Their math isn’t great is it :)
I never said any other thing. My math is actually pretty good. Better than Obama’s.
You missed the point: swish over the head.
Your MINORITY comment doesn’t matter. He was elected and that is what counts.
Governor LePage has changed his reason several times. First it was because of an annonomus e-mail. Then is was because he objected to it’s message. Then it was because the state paid 60 k for it. There are probably several other so called reasons that he has put out there. All of them may be lies or one of them may be the truth, but the whole package proves that Governor LePage is lying to the people of Maine.
No it is about ONE employer who broke the law and got called on the carpet to the DEPT of labor to defend himself . He felt “entitled” and he “resented” having to wait in a waiting room that celebrated LABOR!! He thought he was above the law.
ah…”federal funding”…no cost to taxpayers there!
Where do you think federal money comes from?
Instead of removing this “art” I would have simply moved it. Men’s room would be appropriate. Mount the urinals on it.
‘workers” are worthy opf acknowledgement in the LABOR department. YEAH. THEY did BUILD it .
The same amount was spent for the RGA as on this mural-$60K.To be honest,I could care less if the mural is back up.Where is the story about Scott Desjarlais?R third party multi state voter fraud?There’s plenty more after those.
I think you may have to ask someone else about the RGA story. I’m not responsible for that. Subject: [bdn] Re: Battle over LePage labor mural removal moves to appeals court in Boston
GPBand wrote, in response to libsux:
The same amount was spent for the RGA as on this mural-$60K.To be honest,I could care less if the mural is back up.Where is the story about Scott Desjarlais?R third party multi state voter fraud?There’s plenty more after those.
Link to comment
The federal judge said that because Maine owns the mural, it is free to do what it wants with the artwork…Did we for get that Gov. Lepage owns this state and he will run it the way he wont to..sorry to say,that this case is closed the day he made us take it down..
“Gov. Lepage owns this state” Is that the tea taking?
Wow..if romney wins..are you going ti put yourself in the fetal position and cry for months?
If Obama wins..Will you?
Romney is NOT going to win.
He does not own the state. All of us do. He is not a King and us his minions.
Following the logic of the governor’s opponents, I could produce a mural with a graphic depiction of abortion and an emphasis on Democratic support for it, and convince Governor LePage to display it at DHHS where it would have to remain in perpetuity, lest my first amendment rights be violated. What a ridiculous argument to make.
The difference is that decent people have to see the anti choice nuts parading around and they get every break in the book instead of going to jail where they belong.Remember the front page pic of fattie Paul hanging out with the nuts at the statehouse?
My qualm is not so much that it was removed, but that our “Open for Business” governor violated a state contract in the way it was removed.
What am I talking about? Look at the contract the state signed to have this mural. You can find a copy on the ‘net at: http://gregcookland.com/mainedeptlabormural.htm
One of Bangor Daily’s competitors had it posted on their site for a while too.
Note numbers 5 and 22. It’s been noted in past articles about this whole incident that the artist was NOT notified in advance.
So much for being “business-friendly”. Why would business want to come to a state that doesn’t honor it’s past contracts?
You raise good points about paragraphs 5 and 22 of the contract. From now on the state should make it clear that it is the owner of art that it purchases and has the right to locate, relocate, and dispose of its art in any way it chooses without notification to the artist or anyone else.
Give the nasty thing to someone that wants it. It’s ugly.
I hope it’s laying on a damp cellar floor
Then roll over and make some room for it please.
The state could save a lot of time, money, and inconvenience if it dropped the percent for art program altogether and stopped commissioning and buying art. The course of this dispute over a mural perfectly illustrates why the program should end.
. . . or it could perfectly illustrate why the program should continue. What could be better than a spirited debate about freedom of speech?
I just dropped I.q.points by reading your post..and you should feel bad about putting something out there that goes against common.sence !..but hey..thanks for dialog
Keep dropping. Uncommon nonsense on your part.
Actually, a lot of things.
It’s time the Governor is held accountable for his actions, I am sure the minority of the state will disagree with this statement. He works for us, not his personal agenda. I don’t like my tax dollars paying him and yet I can’t remove him from office.
Minority…….I am thinking its the majority of the state. After all, that who voted him in. You are right, you can’t remove him so just let him do his job. The mural thing needs to end. Enough wasted money. Put the thing in a closet somewhere and when the next governor gets in, he can put it back up if he wants. Simple!
LePage did not get anywhere near a majority of the votes.
Neither did Baldacci who put that ugly monstrosity up. In fact he got a smaller percentage than LePage.
That’s old news. LePage is the buffoon who took it down without a good reason other than his secret admirer told him he was offended by it. You know that anonymous fax he was sent.
“In studying the mural I also observed that this mural is nothing but propaganda to further the agenda of the union movement,” reads the written complaint, dated Feb. 24, and penned to LePage by a “secret admirer.” “I felt for a moment that I was in communist North Korea where they use these murals to brainwash the masses.”
And last time I looked the sun rises in the morning … which is just as relevant as your comment to my correction of the prior post saying LePage got a majority.
Baldacci’s results do not change LePage’s.
The majority sure didn’t give him the wins needed to be put in Augusta. I have let LePage attempt to do his job, but his job is not his personal agenda, his job is not changing his mind as to why it was taken down. As I said, he works for the people of the state, and like most employers he is lucky because by now if you don’t understand your job you would get the boot, and it is too bad he can’t get one, but I sure hope his shot at another 4 years hits the crapper.
Maybe not, but we can put a kink in his tail at the next election.
That’s right, let’s just say a name on the ballot that has any letter other then R next to it has a greater chance of getting a vote from me
Then we need to amend the ME statutes to provide for a recall process.
The mural is gone and hopefully, it will never be hung on a wall owned by the State of Maine again. What an absolute waste of taxpayer dollars by the democrats which is what democrats do, spend other peoples money.
No. That’s what politicians do, both Dem and Repub – spend other people’s money.
And it’s not a waste that these keeps going on in court?
a one-sided view of Maine’s labor history,…And the other side would be???? The capitalists who used little children to make their millions?
Not as you say Rev. The other side would be those laborers who had to pay for this silly crap.
If you want to worry about overpaid crap,feel free to discuss the billions of $ of art in the Vatican(aka pedo central)Every single thing there should be sold off to benefit the millions of victims worldwide.It still wouldn’t be enough.
The Augusta ‘mural’ is the topic here. I don’t donate to the Vatican. Subject: [bdn] Re: Battle over LePage labor mural removal moves to appeals court in Boston
GPBand wrote, in response to libsux:
If you want to worry about overpaid crap,feel free to discuss the billions of $ of art in the Vatican(aka pedo central)Every single thing there should be sold off to benefit the millions of victims worldwide.It still wouldn’t be enough.
Link to comment
For the love of God, make it stop.
Yes, LePage give it up.
It’s ugly and the idea of unions is outdated…we don’t have kids working anymore because most are entitled and need not to worry. The work place these days are somewhat fair and usually a very safe place to work.
Yes an that was do to unions do you think that the owners of companies would the right thing ? you would be working for 25 cents an hour 12 hrs a day 6 days a week an no benifits an no safety
“The work place these days are somewhat fair and usually a very safe place to work.”
Yes, thanks to unions.
Sooo Big point…whocares?… it’s over. That’s all im saying … i didn’t say that Unions never did any good…My father was in one of the countries biggest Unions and he used to tell me that he wished they never had to deal with it. and that all they really cared about was the UNION. Do you think that what you call a “good thing” can turn BAD? I do.
Your post about a union is both ugly and outdated.
Move on. It’s not like he was getting serviced by an intern in the Oval office and then lied about it under oath. Just Move On.
That’s right! It’s not like he was selling guns to the Iranians and giving the money to the Contras! just Move On and it’s not like he picked a fight with the Iraqis to steal their oil, Move on!
It’s not like he gave guns to the Mexican drug cartels in a botched attempt to destroy the second amendment and ended up killing US citizens…or stood idly by while US citizens were being killed by his favored Muslim hordes. Move on!
Right! or it’s not like he snuck the BinLaden family out of this country under government protection after 9/11 or slaughtered over 100000 prople in the wrong country to protect his oil interests in Saudi Arabia.
The removal of the mural is just another example of the 1 percent stomping on the working people of this country. The truly bizarre thing is when working people step up to defend the removal.
The really odd thing is that these same people would be the first ones to be upset if someone was disrespecting the flag. Symbolism is symbolism. If you agree that objects can have symbolic meaning, then you agree that they have symbolic meaning. You don’t get to pick which ones. The mural, obviously, has taken on symbolic meaning for a lot of people.
There is no comparison between the American Flag and the mural. Apples and oranges. If you think “symbolism is just symbolism” , why don’t you start stomping on the Flag and see what happens?
If the mural had been a contemporary version of the painting(s) of industrialist Andrew Carnegie wearing a halo to illuminate his alleged sainthood but had instead substituted one or two or three of the Koch Bros., LePage and others would have put floodlights on it for special viewing. The mural may not be great art, but its message is of great importance in a state with hatred of unions from the Governor, the legislative majority in both houses, and the U. Maine System Board of Trustees.
Or of Mussolini, the Godfather of the Fecist movement. That’s what this state is turning to.
Why not a peice of art representing the welfare crowd.. Be proud of your liberal buddies and the welfare voter block and do a painting of them all holding up a ebt cards, Doesn’t that show things about the Maine unemployed workforce which was created by chasing businesses out of state with regulations.. display that as a peice of art. It can be called the “RESULTS OF LIBERALISM”
While you’re busy whining about some guy who bought a Snickers bar with his food stamps, Exxon pocketed $9000 of you tax dollars.
and provided 100,000 people with a tankful of gas.
Would you like some cheese with that whine (sic)?
I don’t know what other reasonable people would think of the missing art. But this reasonable person thought it represented the hard work of past generations of Mainers, children and adults. It represented the way the world was before the rise of the middle class and perhaps it’s a warning of where we may be reverting. But in my reasonable opinion, the art was appropriate for a Department of Labor where all the employees are gainfully employed trying to help other people achieve that same objective. Perhaps I’m not reasonable or perhaps I see things outside of the box.
It represents the UNIONS plain and simple, If it didn’t why would the unions be fighting for this mural
Balderdash (polite version).
(-;
Like the fact or not, labor is a commodity and it is perfectly legal for people to sell their labor in groups as well as individually.
And you’re free to dislike that.
I don’t like the fact that churches don’t pay taxes. But I’m free to feel that way in America.
BS. It is an affront to my ancestors in Maine who worked themselves to the bone for pennies. It is a slap in the face to all those who made working conditions safe and fair for all of us. Nice to now you don’t appreciate what your sncestors did for you to have the great working conditions you wallow in today.
My family was in farming and logging, Nothing in the mural about the pioneers of the state. only about people picketting/ unions.
Man I guess you have NEVER looked at the mural. Go ahead there is a picture of it above. Textile workers, shoe factories. I had lumbermen in my family too. Guess you think they are better and deserve more than the other workers in Maine.
Who’s “they”? It’s the loony lefties that won’t just let it go.
The only reason we’re talking about this mural is because Penguin elected to make an issue out of it. The ‘lefties’, who are simply advocates for the working people, are simply responding to his incompetence.
There is nothing in the Maine constitution stating that John Baldacci’s art must remain in place for eternity.
There is nothing in the constitution that says Lepage is “Maine”: “The federal judge said that because Maine owns the mural, it is free to do what it wants with the artwork.”
So who is “Maine” ? I say “we the people”, VOTE on it .
“Rome is the Mob.”
I favor the Republic.
Being one of those working class you dont speak for me nor do they! Nor do I like the idear that some assumes that the working class wants this back? we all know what happens when you assume…lol It was a waste of my money to start with….!
I’m going out on a limb here but I would be amazed if you even knew of the existance of this mural before Governor LePage had it removed.
You either I expect.
Correct. Along with 99+% of the citizens in Maine. I guess we should be grateful to Governor LePage giving the mural so much fame.
Comments like that is why I read yours. :)
Thank you. Now that Governor LePage stirred a hornest nest, unneccesarily, he gets to own the controversy as his. I can’t wait to hear his next lie as to why he removed the mural.
“idear”? Really?
He’s from New Joisey.
Or Medway.
Well, LePage doesn’t have to keep spending our money to defend his behavior.
Glad to know you are not a defender of free speech.
SARCASM
Still spending money on this!!! Unbelievable! Just give it a rest. Its DONE!
Ok if thats the way you feel lets do away with both houses in Augusta an let laPage do what ever he wants to that would save money
And in other news, somewhere else some paint dried. More at eleven. (Yawn)
Next up: Painting smiley faces on slaves !
We could get that lady from Spain to do the work!
Put the mural back. Remove LePage.
put the mural in the basement with the old ideas it represents….then re-elect Goverrnor LePage……
The Whitehouse is redecorated with each new president. Should we sue them too? This is a ridiculous lawsuit and sounds like a whiny attempt to control a Governor when they have seemingly no business in doing so. If someone would like to buy or display, why not? I do believe the redecorating is no reason for a costly lawsuit.
NO ONE is suing LePage because he redecorated the Blaine House.
I find it totally foolish that the left wingnuts are still pushing this. What a waste of time an effort.
If thats how you feel lets do away with history book we don’t need history .
Art is in the eye of the beholder, I do not see it as history, I see it as propaganda.
And your rants are what?
Opinions, art chooses people for the love of it. have bought and sold art, I am not told what art is by the union.. I would bet most union members art is Elvis on velvet or a football poster
I prefer Van Gogh and Monet than Elvis on velvet.
Both sides are still pushing it. Don’t be a hypocrite.
Hypocrite I am not!
Those who want the mural restored are the ones continuing the court battle, not those who do not.
And quite frankly, it is a horrible mural. Has anyone noticed that in that mural, not a single person is smiling? People all appear sad and beaten. It is much like the “workers of the world unite” garbage that permeated the USSR.
I see people smiling.
I see a dead archaic representation of what once was…..and now it steals money from hardworking taxpayers to pay for inflated wages and benefits that the private sector could never do…
My sources advise that the mural panels are in New Jersey and Gov. Christie is using them to board up his windows in preparation for the hurricane…..best use of the things since Gov. Lepage removed them from the Dept. of Labor……
Oh ha ……. Ha…… Ha………. Ha…….. Free speech in the toilet …….. H a ha …………….
Are you sure that Gov Christie didn’t eat them?
The waste of money was buying and putting this thing on state property in the first place. It is incredible that anyone in any government capacity, whether state or federal thinks that spending public funds on something like is prudent. I wonder what a farm laborer from Aroostook County or a blueberry raker from Washington County would have to say about their income tax being used to purchase this “mural”. Art is fine for those who want to pay for it, but it should not be publicly funded when there are so many of life’s necessities being cut for lack of funding.
You’re absolutely right. While you are at it, take down the Statue of Liberty, take down the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Monument. Dynamite Mount Rushmore! Take down all those silly flags with the stars and stripes — they are nothing but artwork anyway. Take down the Capitol building. Think how much extra that silly dome cost. Congress can meet in a warehouse Take the artwork off our currency. Just put a big number and a dollar sign on it.
Even the poor value art. Take the art out of society and you have the poorest society of all.
being one of the poor you speak off I like my art painted on black velvet please…lol
Except that the Monuments you mentioned were erected by a Law voted and approved by Congress. It would take an Act Of Congress to remove them. Not so with Art hanging in the White House Corridor or the Department of Labor.
Yeah, and that stinkin’ artist has no right to make a living like the laborer in Aroostook County or the blueberry raker in Washington County, right?
My point is, the federal or state govt should not spend taxpayers money on this stuff! There are the things society needs to survive and this isn’t one of them. The artist has all the right in the world to sell her “art” to anyone who wants it, but it from their own pocket. When it comes to government entities deciding to spend our money like this there is a problem. There are millions of poor working people who can’t afford the basics of life, but each year the state and federal taxing authorities reach into their wallets and take what they have labored for. Frivolous spending does not belong in the government at any level. Subject: [bdn] Re: Battle over LePage labor mural removal moves to appeals court in Bostony
ryanrrobbins wrote, in response to libsux:
Yeah, and that stinkin’ artist has no right to make a living like the laborer in Aroostook County or the blueberry raker in Washington County, right?
Link to comment
It isn’t “frivolous spending.” Art enhances our lives and nourishes the soul. Imagine how dull and depressing it would be if our public buildings featured blank walls. Would you want to work in such an atmosphere? Would you want to conduct any business in such an atmosphere?
Believe it or not, art affects our mood and engages our mind. It can make us more cheerful. It can help to create new synaptic connections in our brain. It can inspire us, even when we’re not looking for inspiration. Those are good things.
Oh, I feel much better after your explanation. Bring me a bottle of wine and some French cheese.
ryanrrobbins wrote, in response to libsux:
It isn’t “frivolous spending.” Art enhances our lives and nourishes the soul. Imagine how dull and depressing it would be if our public buildings featured blank walls. Would you want to work in such an atmosphere? Would you want to conduct any business in such an atmosphere?
Believe it or not, art affects our mood and engages our mind. It can make us more cheerful. It can help to create new synaptic connections in our brain. It can inspire us, even when we’re not looking for inspiration. Those are good things.
Link to comment
The mural is a depiction of a time that Governor LePage and the radical right would like to return to. A time of when children were forced to work long hours for pennies a day. A time when the police were owned by the company. When the company owned the store and the house that the laborer lived in. You can see these conditios all over the world where our jobs are being exported to and the manufacturers enjoy the protection of the US military.
LOL!!!
Such as art,music and enrichment programs being decimated in the school systems while a small privileged minority(football players)get astounding amounts wasted on them?
How sad to think of our kids living in a bland gray world devoid of thought,color and originality.And the screeching about taxpayer dollars being spent-how much did this cost you as an individual,assuming you even pay taxes?Much less than Eric Cantor’s gang skinny dipping in Israel-a gigantic waste of billions of taxpayer dollars for 65 years and counting.
Just to answer part of you post….I am almost 70 yoa and last year paid –/+ 6500 fed and 2200 state. Our kids our going without learning life’s requirements such as reading, math, science and geography. There is more spent on education now, more then ever and we are getting less in return.
I will absolutely agree that a lot of life skills aren’t being fully taught.That said,there is a brutal attack on the STEM curriculum.Singapore and many of the other Asian countries are happily eating our lunch while we squabble about funding.I would love to see all four of the subjects you mention be given a greater emphasis.It’s a shame we are losing good teachers who are frustrated and give up.
So if I give the Governor a painting of myself nude and claimed it represented a mothers son after being in LABOR for 6 hrs he would be forced to keep it for eternity in the State house?? Silly Unions.. What makes you think you have the right to do this? Even if a liberal Boston Judge said it has to go back up, it is still not in your power to demand it. I personally would would make a camp fire with it.
the story says it was done to convey the departments view. Well union boys the departments views have changed. Angus King or John Baldacci views no longer matter, tax and spending to buy voters with the middle classes money doesn’t work at this time. freaks
One can set a watch by the consistency of labor mural and Coffe Pot sandwich breathless updates in the Banguh Deadly.
Liberals are doing this, not the Governor.. If Governor John Baldacci had the right to commission this THING with a friend of his kids for 65K and place it there, Why doesn’t Governor Paul LePage have the right to replace it with something else..What are you going to do with the art that replaced this propaganda thing if you win?? hipocrites are liberals the only ones qualified to select art for state property??
Unions have already lost.. They are about 1/10 of what they were in the 70’s.. They have closed more unionized mills in this state then China took from us.. The unions never concerned themselves with the financial health of the companies they worked for. It was all about the unions.. . Try this. next time a contract is up instead of demanding more for yourselves Demand reinvestments from the company so to insure long term growth.. Nope because you will choose losng your jobs over updating a mill just to self serve yourselves.. You are doing it to yourselves and your blaming it on others. continue on this path and there will be no unions jobs/mills left.. Even though I dislike union “members” I think there is a need for unions. They set a base of wage/benifits from where others can use as a guideline.
In America corporations are beholden to their stockholders and unions are beholden to their members.
The goose meets the gander at the negotiation table.
That is how it works.
and closing factories is better than not meeting union requirements I take it.. unemployment is better than a full time job according to the unions., congrats good for you!!!
Huh?
Must be from Millinocket.
Buzz off.
I love that area but the mills are not coming back. And I am against Quimby and her half baked ideas. There has to be at least one ingenious person in this state who has a good idea for up there.
Unions are dead, no longer needed..
exactly they set a false base on what THEY want wages to be…..regardless of what the market can bear……false wages minimums…oh what the private sector would give to set thier own wages….oh wait….they would collapse if they did that…..
Classy.
Another exquisitely expressed viewpoint from a “conservative perspective.” It’s no wonder conservatives love people like LePage, Akin, or Mourdock. letstrythisagain has shown us again how being short tempered and expressing ill informed or angry verbal outburst seems to be a common trait in the GOP/Tea Party crowd. Thanks for showing us what you stand for “lets.” I’ve got a lets for you. Lets get out the voting brooms and sweep up this disgraceful blight upon America on November 6th! We’ve had enough from the vulgar/hateful crowd. It’s time to vote Democratic and send the goon crowd packing.
Well put. Thanks.
I did not write anything vulgar. StillRelaxin had me flagged because I stood up to them. They think they own this comment page with their constant posting. I have witness in my lifetime plenty of vulgar outbursts from the left. Stillrelaxin can’t take it that someone stood up them for their bullying on this site.
Untrue. You do know “lets” that there are folks at the BDN who moderate these pages on their own. Anyone who reads this site should know by now that I just love it when a conservative once again goes off the rails with some wild comment here. I do flag comments that are waaaay off topic as well as swearing and other nasty things that children should not see, read, or hear but if someone wants to say something foolish while painting themselves as a follower of the GOP/Tea Party then by all means I behoove everyone to never flag that. We all need to see what kind of people they are and then go out and vote accordingly. That all seems reasonable to you, yes?
Are you God? Because no living human could be so perfect…
Nope. Just an average American. If I really appear Godly to you all I can guess is that you may be spending too much time traveling within all the wrong circles.
What SR described is not being godlike, SR is using decorum something that many here don’t have a clue as to what it is.
What did I write that was vulgar?
I’d like to help you out here but there’s been so much vulgarity from conservatives on this story I can’t actually remember specifically what you said. I would suggest that if you want to know you can contact the moderators at the BDN and ask them. They will give you an opinion of why they erased your comment. Hope this helps you in the future.
Exactly! Hopefully they vote like a democrat early and often.vote Romney/Ryan
Folks need to figure out they’re trolling – they are simply passive aggressives looking for their kicks.
Just as you are doing? People who engage in conversation are not trolling. I prefer to think of trolls as people whose only purpose is to inflame. There are definitely some of them around here but they usually only have a one liner that they think is funny and will get them plenty of likes.
Personally I think there are a lot of middle school kids round here.
Oh my word! Do you have any idea just how childish that outburst of yours was????
“They think they own this comment page with their constant posting…. I have witnessed… someone stood up….”
Yup people will stand up for themselves. Get used to it.
Well said, Still.
Reclaim Maine Vote Democrat 2012 Support the USA Vote Democrat 2012
ya….no!
We do not and can not live through thirty more years of job killing and entitlements for votes.People in Maine have awakened to the Dems thirty years of wasteful and unfunded pocket filling programs.Vote republican
What the heck is “government speech,” and why does it override free speech? If government speech trumps free speech then something is terribly wrong here. I agree with another poster, that it would be legal for the Governor of New York to take down the Statue of Liberty because he thinks it’s gender-ambiguous.
Let’s replace Judy Taylor’s labor mural with Picasso’s “Guernica,” a more accurate representation of the current labor struggle in Maine. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
What a waste of time and money thats been put into this old cows azz ugly mural.
No offence to cows though. ya know, they can’t help what there azz looks like,butt looks even better than the mural.
Obsessed with azzes.
Wha…….???????????
I don’t think he had it removed due to a political agenda. I think he had it removed because it’s hideous.
Withdrawn
Oh!! Another article on the Libya coverup????
Ah, LePage’s legacy, again. It is kind of ironic that the only thing Paul LePage will be remembered for in Maine history is the removal of a pro labor painting. Not creating jobs, not balancing the budget, not improving the lot of the average Mainer, not working with the other side of the aisle to improve our economy, and certainly not being known as a man of wisdom. Just an ignorant knee jerk reaction to a painting most Mainers didn’t know existed until a Tea Party nut job had it removed as an attempt to stick it to organized labor.
Only in the minds of moonbats. Only petty Dems would carry the water for union propoganda.
Unions are dead, thing of the past..
Private union membership is down to 7% in America. I think it is safe for you to quit hiding under the bed from the scary union monster. It is no coincidence that the drop in union membership is directly related to the plummeting of wages for the last 20 years. Jobs in Maine are paying the same as they were 20 years ago, while the cost of living has continued to climb. If your pay is not going up roughly 3% a year to keep pace with inflation, it is the same as taking a pay cut. Our deficit is insane, our middle class is disappearing, we continue to send our jobs over seas at an alarming rate, and not a soul in Washington has a plan for how to fix it. Only a dim wit would blame this on unions. Don’t you find it ironic that for years big business accused union organizers of being communist, and now, they are flocking to communism and it’s cheap sweat shop labor? lol. Our founding fathers would have hung for treason anyone who moved a factory from America to communist China for fun and profit. But then again, they were members of the world’s oldest union, the brotherhood of Masons.
“Our founding fathers would have hung for treason anyone who moved a factory from America to communist China for fun and profit.” ~~~~
We have gone too war for much less…. and might in the future because of it.
fact checking to see if union wages have dropped at the same rate as private sector wages…checking….checking….one moment please……please hold….thank you for your patience…..
Say what? The decline in wages and the shrinking middle class is directly caused by unions exploiting any company that dared to open shop in Maine.
Proof?
Drive through any town in Maine that had a mill that is now a old folks home or low income. Why is it most companys are burden with such heavy retirement costs.Also the burden of some that can not or will not earn their keep and the unions forced companys to keep them.
That makes no sense. If there are decent jobs people work. Why did the mills close? Hmm…. something about corporate profits and penny wages overseas. And tax breaks to do that. Now you will blame unions for the high wages. Gee, where are the jobs lepage promised?
Exactly! Corporations are not suppose to profit only the workers.The CEO’S the leftys complain about are the ones signing loan forms taking chances with their money just so joe the grinder can make all the profits.I started my own business can not wait to hire more employees to give my profits to.Please explain one tax break any corp gets specifically to send jobs over seas.Please explain what lepage and future jobs have to do with the job killing past thirty years in Maine.Moonbat logic
wHERE have you ben for the last 30 years?
Dexter Shoe was a profitable, non union company when they abandon the people of Dexter for the communist workers in China. All the shoe shops, textile mills, and woolen mills in Maine were non union shops. Now they are all gone. To blame this on unions is ludicrous and a lie. I am sure the Koch brothers and the rest of the top 1% appreciate you helping them with the spreading of lies about unions and their impact on our economy. It diverts attention from them while they close up the rest of the factories and move them to communist China. Quit being a tool for greed and open your eyes.
Oh shootttt didn’t you hear? We had a bon fire and got rid of the ugly thing
If this was a picture of Paulie we wouldn’t be having this discussion, it would still be on the wall.
We believe that the Gov. was right to remove the mural. Well done.
Sticks and stones Billie. I have to ask, why can’t conservatives just say something without making a personal attack? That’s just an odd way to start a conversation, don’t cha think? Sadly I don’t have the time to list all the insanity that examples the Tea Party in this country so I’ll just give you an assignment. Now it might take a few solid days to see everything but in the end it will apparently teach YOU a good deal. Go to any search engine you like and type in TEA PARTY VIOLENCE. Then sit back and watch it for as long as you can. Then come back and tell me how lovely this group of extremist are.
Here’s one on tea party violence that I found when I did the search that you indicated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhGTEdv8njM
I can see that you may need assistance here. Try this one, a prime example of what we’re dealing with. These people are scary.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/03/20/87743/code-red-gun/?mobile=nc
I gave you one, did you look at it? It is a direct conflict of your statement. If you wish to discuss that, I will.
Ya..ruff crowd huh!!
IDAHO CHILDREN CHANT “ASSASSINATE OBAMA”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN5VQ_Hu76k&list=PLCCFDF112F90F05A6&index=3&feature=plpp_video
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/03/06/842057/-The-Tea-Party-A-History-of-Violence-and-List-of-Simple-Truths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4BU8pfz2O4
Tea Party Leader Arrested For Kidnapping and Rape
http://www.politicususa.com/tea-party-kidnapping-and-rape.html
Thanks for the links. Scary stuff.
Oh I see how its only YOU are allowed to bully people.
You must be talking about my responses to those (like you did above) who have started conversations by addressing me with personal attacks. Now sure I could say nothing and let those attacks slide but then these poor individuals who have behaved badly might never learn that they are in the miniority and are acting in a way that is unacceptable within an advanced society. It may appear as bullying to you because you’ve been erased and you’ve received little if any support for your way of thinking. Frankly, I’d say I’ve handled you all as gently as possible. Believe me it isn’t easy staying on the high road, but we should all at least TRY. Don’t you think?
I wish that you would try and stay on the high road, address the issues and leave your petty little lectures for your coffee shop friends.
I await your response telling me I have just committed a personal attack against you.
Oh no, this time you had a great deal to say about the topic of the story. The story was about Stillrelaxin, lectures, and coffee shops right? I’m sorry but if this is the best you can do then it’s time to move on and let others have a voice here. Until the next attack, have a nice day.
Stillrelaxin is part of the Bertha Better Than You Crowd.
Umm the only reason you and your ilk have so much time responding is because you all sit on the computer all day pounding out comments.
I work everyday taking care of needy in my community, today I’m taking care of sick child at home.
Did you get dressed yet?
Are you dressed? I love how you people hurl the typical insult that tries to imply someone isn’t working or lives in their parent’s basement etc….
As far as pounding out the comments you’ve done your share! Take care.
Yes lets do that cause every one know that there are no off the wall socialists to be found anyplace, right??? After we look that up then we could watch the Ambassador of Benghazi being dragged around, or we could read/listen to the seals that were there ask for help/support or type in and search for the lies and cover-up this administration is responsible for on and on. Instead of “party” lines perhaps we could all be concerned about the state of this Country and where we are being led. Name calling and fact less blame is a well honed tool some use well, not you but some. I truly wish that you and yours would get what you so hope for, except that the rest of us will have to pay right along with you. You might find this offensive too, God Bless America
Ronald Reagan was responsible for the deaths of Marines in Beirut.
I doubt Reagan watched in in real time though.
Disqus wont let me respond to you atm…
“To have known what he had available, to have known that Americans were under fire, and to have done nothing, is dereliction of duty that I have never seen in a Commander in Chief from a president of any party. Outrageous.” –Bud Macfarlane
Father of Slain Benghazi SEAL to Obama: “It’s Better to Die a Hero Than Live a Coward”
I wonder who he was referring to….
As for Reagan. Those Marines were ostensibly neutral it is my understanding… to give stability to the government. In hind site they should not have been there.
It is fairly certain however if we are in a zone like Libya at the very least you have a full complement of Marines as an embassy guard. Instead of having them withdrawn. What’s worse is drones overflew the area for 7 hours and presumably relaying info to the White House. Some one said not to send
help. It wasn’t the CIA it could only have come from the White House.
The Seals father was correct.
Reagan knew the dangers. He is to blame for the loss of life.
The SEAL’s father knew his son could die. End of it. Men and women die everyday. Those who volunteer to serve know this. The right is exploiting the death of the SEAL to further their own agenda. If you/they believe spouting lies about the SEALS and Obama will help elect Romney then you all will. The right is good at exploiting a death to further their cause.
Amazing the BDN woyld allow Reagen to be held responsible but any comment about obama is flagged.
Obama watched or slept through the seven hour benghazi incident and did nothing.
They won’t even let me respond to guest directly. No Reply button.
And, you were there, watching the President faithfully, so that you could report this first-hand observation to us? Thanks so much!
Offensive no, confusing yes. Socialist are found mainly in socialist countries. There may be a few socialist here in America which is one of the things that makes us greater than most other countries who haven’t learned the lessons or importance of supporting religious and political tolerance. Now lets just stop right here for a moment because I’ve got a question I’d like to you to answer. In America which political party do you see as being the most open to religious and political tolerance? I’d say that would be the Democratic party, not the GOP/Tea Party. Thus making the Democratic party the party of American values and the GOP/Tea Party the party of some closed minded third world country from far-far away or perhaps some dark age tribe in our very distant past.
I agree.
Le Page is a living example of Intolerance as practiced by the Tea Party Klan.
Romney isn’t quite sure whether or not to imprison women who curtail the birth of a rapist’s child. The GOPers are just as muddled. Then again, it depends not so much on the mood he is in, or, the character ” Mitt One, Mitt Two, or, Mitt three,” he’s portraying. The tea klan will decide for him.
True to tea party klanism Le Page is unable to present a civilized approach to government problems. He shows a propensity for huffing, puffing, and damning people. So, naturally, when it comes to art – an expression of an artist interpreting Maine’s labor history, he exercises his dictatorial power and surreptitiously he has this mural removed. It’s hidden. Its message is not consistent with his own thoughts about workers, who he lumps together as couch potatoes.
Even so, despite his narrowness of mind, one must credit him for publicizing a work of art, rarely seen, or, not even seen by the majority of Maine’s 1.3 million population.
Now our mural has become a legendary work of art. The artist is known throughout the land, even the world. All thanks to her harshest critic – Le Page.
But what is it that triggered such an angry response to this work? Why would such art that depicts child labor, Rosie, the acclaimed woman Riveter of WWII., and the lady who helped millions of Americans enjoy Social Security, be damned and sent into exile?
Perhaps because some of the panels show the sometimes uncaring and unwarranted treat ment of workers.
The tea party, which governs the GOP., does not permit other viewpoints, other than those of the Party, which is the foundation of Plutocracy – total control by the rich for the rich.
Excellent post, Briney, which shows what can happen when one practices clarity.
“Political and religious tolerance” are just 2 of American values, and yes, I agree that the Democratic party is very tolerant, and in my opinion too tolerant. I believe it is time to take a stand against tolerance of everything, every one. It is time to say “NO”, these things are not right. It is not right to be tolerant of people who hurt one another, who take what belongs to another, who cheat the system, who rack up debt that jeopardizes our future, etc. etc. Other American values are courage, industriousness, patriotism, to name a few. And I do not see these last 3 values coming from the current Democratic administration.
You will flag me and say I am being offensive to you, but I am not and have not been. SYSTEM MANAGER PLEASE STUDY THESE COMMENTS AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY HAVE BEEN FLAGGED UNJUSTLY.
Flag you? Haven’t I made it clear how much what you’ve been saying pleases me? I can’t honestly believe you’d think I’d flag you. Perhaps you’re simply seeking sympathy now for deeds others can no longer see? As to your comment here all I can say is that “A closed minded person tends to hear and see what they want to hear and see and disregards the rest.”
As far as why you’re comment has vanished above I think you’ll get a quicker response here web@bangordailynews.com. Let them know your username and where you posted the comment. It may take some time but they often do get back to you. Good luck. Hope this helps you in the future. “We” need you here.
And you won’t see any so called christian values such as: compassion , putting others before self from the Republican right. It’s called the UNITED STATES of AMERICA NOT the ” it’s everyone for themselves ” America.
You can flag me, but I did not make any personal attack. YOU accused Republicans and Tea Partiers of being vulgar, and I told you that Biden is vulgar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223554/Did-son-balls-size-cue-balls-Bidens-bizarre-question-father-Navy-SEAL-died-Benghazi-attack.html
The Tea Party is indeed vulgar and despicable.
I also miss the Continuity of Community sculpture that used to be in downtown Bangor. Where is it?
Yes where has the fountain sculpure gone. OH it doesn’t reprent unions so it can be dicarded without a word.
This again???? Unions are a thing of the past,, not needed anymore..
punce?
This is how the Democratic party gets things done through courts. Keep lawsuits going until the other side gives up.Lawyers love the dems.
Yeah justice and the rule of law are truly awful things.
Give it away for heating assistance to the poor.
Who cares about these tasteless cartoons? They are right where they belong, out of sight and out of mind.
More personal attacks. Gosh, some folks just can’t take a hint. But thanks for coming back to show us what kind of person votes for the GOP/Tea Party. Don’t let up, I for one appreciate everything you’re doing for the Democratic party. It’s people who express themselves like you who give me the greatest hope that nice people will finally say, “Okay, enough is enough it’s time to vote the thug crowd out of office and replace them with folks who at least know how to communicate like adults.” Vote Democratic!
It’s sad that not a single Republican in here, not a single one, can do anything but hurl insults. These folks seem so full of an anger that owns them.
I’ve lost all faith, for instance, that the US can save itself from the ravages of global warming. The climate and environment are changing all around us–and so many people are in denial, vehemently attack those who point it out.
Oh wait until the day after election day. We will witness “love” from the left.
They seem to “resent ” everybody. Small people talk about small things—- like insulting other people .
Tweet over the weekend”This is Sandy reminding you not to ignore me in the debates”
How much has this “conservative” governor’s “government speech” cost the tax payers of Maine? Talk about wasteful government spending!!
Probably a fraction of the cost of the last administrations ‘government speech’ called Dirigo Health…..he knew the cost and ignored it anyway….Just like the mural, Baldacci thought it ‘represented’ the views of Maine people….guess he was wrong to the tune of millions of taxpayer $$$….
THAT needs to happen right away.The churches are the biggest bloodsuckers on the planet.If they paid even a fraction of what they are supposed to,the budget would balance immediately.Not to mention the continued violations of separation of church and state which are never prosecuted.
Thank you for your absolute ignorance of American history…..Do you mind if I use your comments as I teach my kids what socialism and anarchy looks like so when they get older they can pick it out when they see it?…with due credit of course….
HAHA- as if you’re a teacher.
I know, wierd…….I am still part of the majority that thier parents teach their own children….
Are Fox news and Breitbart part of your lesson plan?
You mean views that are close to what our founding documents teach right?…thought so…
Ahem. Hardly.
Remove LePage, problem solved …
Supposedly he fell asleep at his own state’s emergency briefing-sleep apnea?Fattie Paul has a worthy fattie to emulate.Sad examples both of them.At least Huckabee lost 100 pounds as governor and brought down his state’s healthcare costs.What a concept.I support Huckabee in nothing else but he was right about this one.
Lenny is alive and well I see.If the IQ points keep dropping,Sarah Palin appears.
That’s been tried with success in TX and has stunk up the rest of the country.They tried to give credit to Phyllis flippin’ Schlafly- one of the most disgusting creatures to ever slink out of the ooze.
Again Keith, I love what you’re doing here but your comments may be a little too far over the top to remain in the public domain. Which as I’ve pointed out is why I like them to stay here and not be deleted. Before we go vote on November 6th people need to recognize that it’s people just like you who are currently representing us as members of the GOP/Tea Party. As far as I’m concerned your thoughts can stay here as harmless verbage, but come November 6th those who represent your kind of thinking have gotta go! We can’t keep the GOP/Tea Party in the public domain! Vote Democratic!
There aren’t any summer jobs left.When I was a teenager I worked in a McDonald’s.Now if that same store posts a job there are plenty of 50 year old well educated people applying since Mitt screwed them by destroying their jobs.Who are you as a manager going to hire in that scenario?
If SCOTUS can decide that unlimited corporate speech overrules individual speech,we’re all in trouble.Free speech is in trouble due to media consolidation.Most media is heavily skewed right anyway.
Most media is scewed right?
Of course.Exhibit A-Richard Connor and how he destroyed the PPH after ruining papers in PA.Lots more after that.
Can you even imagine a mind so warped that it would come up with that?
It’s impossible to even try to comprehend.
Man! YGTBSM! (Non-polite version) Google it and Wild Weasel!
Trust me nobody wants to see you nude.Don’t flatter yourself.
If you are the voice of our future we are all doomed.
and yours is sooooooooo rational!
Hard to disagree with that.
Their violence is documented.
IDAHO CHILDREN CHANT “ASSASSINATE OBAMA”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN5VQ_Hu76k&list=PLCCFDF112F90F05A6&index=3&feature=plpp_video
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/03/06/842057/-The-Tea-Party-A-History-of-Violence-and-List-of-Simple-Truths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4BU8pfz2O4
OCCUPY MUCH?
BURN IT. TOTALLY stupid. Im voting for LePage and cancelling out yours
Unbelievable how shallow and petty these mural people are.
give it up.
Odd when LePage does that, you all call it “plain speaking” and admirable.
You “called”?
This massive waste of time and dollars is still going on? Oi.
Dude, listen to pusjtheredbutton Goober40 he speaks the word of reason man.
Keep in mind it was the capitalist not the socialists who busted it in 2008!!! The casino capitalist and thr vulture capitalisy and the deregulators. Just a little reality check for you, as you take a break from those black backgrounded homemade websites with the doom and gloom music as they brain wash you.
It is not a teletube world, silly. Socialism is not a movement of the people. It is a movement of the intellectuals, originated, led and controlled by the intellectuals, carried by them out of their stuffy ivory towers into those bloody fields of practice
where they unite with their allies and executors: the thugs.
Socialism is a good deal. It works and people are all treated the same.
Yes for teletubbys its GREAT! Same little houses etc etc Children are attracted to such things
If it weren’t for money we’d all be equal. That scares people like you.
Yep. Move to Venezuela then or one of the socialist countries and see how wonderful it is.
I was born here. I’m living here and I will die here. Thank you.
If you were one of the conservative elite and very wealthy you can always move to Costa Rica with the soon to be ex patriots.
Here is part of the real History of Maine labor. It’s a past BDN story. Funny the mural didn’t cover any of the real History of Maine. http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2011/03/06/living/danger-took-toll-in-maine-woods/
…which is the majority on Maien care if you bothered to pay attention or GET any facts .
artist Judy Taylor has a right to display what she wants at her house, but everyone can’t put stuff in government buildings…
NOPE all over the main stream NEWS .You really should get “out” more often. The ONLY way Romney wins is if they STEAL the election –again !!! YUP they have been trying to.
so capitalists are led by the ignorant then??
GOOD luck with that . LePage isn’t running , you dope.
Speaking of DOPE, who are you replying to??
?!
oh so the DEPT of Labor, no longer is charged with e suring employers follow the LAW?? NEWS to me and ALL Mainers.
YUP if you break the law you SHOULD have to stare at that mural while you wait, as a sort of penance. Mr. fax broke the law, got caught and threw a hissy fit.
Really? weird world in your brain. UNIONS give to those who stand up for them and their workers—- that would be the D party. The D party supported the 40 hour work week, the minimum wage , osha and safe working conditions. the end of child labor The R party opposed all of that … so who exactly do you expect labor to donate to?
The US chamber gives to R’s because they stand up for them and their constituents– BIG Business. So you might want to think about who is standing up for YOU
OSHA came out of the Nixon administration.
wow!!! you sound like you think you aren’t part of the 47% or the 99%.
” the people” …..PS 61% of them DIDN”T vote for LePage
Yes and there have been democratic governors who didn’t get 40% of the vote either but the Republicans didn’t wine and cry like you liberals.
clearly you are NOT a native Mainer.
You are probably correct since he/she is definitely not a “you-owe-me” type!
like any good dictator …. which is why our forefathers put in restraints to minimize any abuse of power by transitory factions like the teaparty.
who are you talking to…….?
Thank you Governor LePage for taking down this highly offensive cartoon!
Looks like every oversized propaganda communist poster I’ve seen in news bytes of events in communist countries.
Caution:
To all who enter here…you are about to see the ugly guts that represent the pervasive sickness in this society. Hatred, bigotry, division and ignorance–all piled up in a single post.Read at your own risk.Discretion is advised!
Thank you, it is becomming increasingly difficult to carry on reasonable discourse. Even if people are polar opposites in their beliefs, I’m sure there is common ground to be found on ANY issue.
Oh for god’s sake just put the stupid thing back up. What a waste of time and energy this is.
What an interesting comment on how the liberals view commentary from the left side of the isle. Anything the liberals say is ok , no matter how nasty or vicious, but anything that a conservative says is hateful and biased. I think if you look through these comments on a regular basis you will find that both sides hurl enough mud at each other to cancel one another out.
Yes, i would be making comments from the right….and it does seem to get a little vicious from the left. That being said…I’ve lost my temper once when a reply to my post said i was a liar
How long have you been reading here?
The right has always felt superior and has hurled the insults to anyone who expresses a differing viewpoint. If someone on the left expresses empathy for the less fortunate that commenter will be accused by those on the right as being one of ‘those’ freeloaders’ or a ‘loser living in their mothers basement’.
After a while of being attacked such as that and in various ways, the liberals around here starting tossing them back.
Sometimes turn around is fair play.
Way to prove his point…keep talking, you’re helping your cause – (NOT).
Does anyone know of there are prints of the mural available for purchase?
A free copy gets sent to every illegal aliens who votes!
Oh, that’s wonderful. I hope it gives them the joy it has already given me.
It’s a beautiful thing to spend $60,000 of worker-paid tax money on a mural honoring labor secretaries and commissioners for the amazing work they do for the workers purchasing murals and such.
I’ve actually been trying to help you out here today and I’m sorry that I’ve clearly been unsuccessful. You know it’s not just vulgarity that will get your comments deleted? Coming here to say nothing and only attacking others with whom you disagree will make your comments vanish just as quickly. On that subject I will say to readers here, look at all those who are talking (every day!) as such, look at who they side with politically, and please go out and vote for the other party.
agreed Vote Mitt
Doesn’t Maine have better things to spend money on
I will add , doesn’t the union have anything better to spend dues on ?? Liberals doing what they do best…Waste “other people’s money”…
Ask the governor that one. IT’s his fault this happened.
I’ve noticed that one of the true crazies has been absent for a week or two.Hopefully that will continue.Thanks for the tip.
Carnegie at least gave us libraries.Palin and her anti intellect gang would prefer you have no books but the bible.
There’s never been any proof before.Don’t expect any now.
The Great Governor Baldacci commissioned a mural and all must bow down to it. how sick is that?
who the hell does lepage think he is? I’ll tell you what I think he is. a very ignorant frenchman who seems to excuse all his faults BY his being FRENCH as he calls it MISUNDERSTOOD
Middle class businesses and middleclass taxpayer must pay for all this. The union sure is looking out for ya middleclass
I see lots of comments for putting the mural back, but I don’t see anyone saying who should get to decide what art get displayed by the state and what does not. To me as the chief executive of the state it makes sense that the governor should make the call, but what do others think?
If the Governor makes the call then we have a lying repeat of LePage and whatever agenda any governor has. It should be up to the Department of where it would be haning.
Chief executive is the head of the department.
sad. just downright sad.
Amen! I heartily agree. However, the legions of “you-owe-me” types who spend so much time griping on these sites would never agree until the state (and the nation) are turned into pure Marxist/socialist enclaves!
This is an ugly piece of so called art – it really is. I was not at all offended when it was taken down but am offended by the amount of money the state paid for its purchase.
Only when Dems are in control.When republicans are in the Blaine house then only Dems control.
vote romney/ryan
OBAMA 2012
:)
Hopefully heat assistance needs kindling.
I’m glad that there not giving up keep fighting, don’t let Le Page get away with this
OK I’m late to the discussion but 500+ comments about a stupid and ugly mural.Man you folks to to get a job or something.
If we value hard work so much, why is work taxed at twice the rate of “investement??
I’d be happy if we reversed the tax rates, and taxed the working man at the lower rate.
I’d be happier if Romney was taxed at the same rate as under Reagan or Clinton even.
so why should investment be taxed at a lower rate ( half the rate) then earned income thru work?
Well the law ( as in the contract) said he couldn’t remove the mural. So maybe what we have is neither a democracy or a republic but a dictatorship.
ROMNEY / RYAN 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t forget to count the extra state troopers for his “security”More wasted tax money.
He’s just been collecting a check like most of the TP bums.There’s no bigger freeloaders anywhere.
Apparently your curriculum doesn’t include spelling.
LEPAGE NEEDS TO GO!!!!! This man is always saying something negative about the workers and residents of this State, always putting his foot in his mouth! You cant rid Maine of its past even if it was a hard or difficult time for Maine and for everyone around the country, let the mural stay. He wants to shut down or cut funds that people in this state desperately needs! He needs to stop funding for transportation reimbersment for methhadone clinics and stop giving state aid to people abusing the system, or cut lepages salary and the amount he spends that will save Maine money! Wasting time and money over THIS, THIS is his biggest priority!!! What about education, jobs,or just plain empathy for mainers!!
LePage should never have removed the mural ! He did so only for his own political reasons !
Isn’t it great that Gov. Lepage and the staff of his administration have such a high regard for those of us that bust our butts to create tax revenue to pay for State government and to pay their salaries!!!
“Oh please Massa Governor can we have a just little piece of the basement wall…. ? I’ll be good, I promise!”