BANGOR, Maine — The deaths of three people who were found in a burned-out car earlier this week in Bangor have been ruled a triple homicide, the Maine attorney general’s office said Wednesday.
“The manner is homicide,” said Brenda Kielty, a special assistant in the attorney general’s office. “The cause has not been released and the identities [of the three victims] will be released as soon as they are confirmed.”
The medical examiner is still working to positively confirm the identities of the three people, she said, adding that the names may be released this week but possibly not until next week.
Details about how the three people died are being withheld because they are part of the ongoing investigation, Kielty said.
The attorney general’s office took over the case shortly after the three autopsies were completed Tuesday.
All available Bangor police officers, along with investigators from Maine State Police and other agencies, are working to solve the case, Bangor police Sgt. Paul Edwards said Wednesday.
“We’re still actively investigating,” he said. “We have every available resource on this case.”
Bangor police are specifically looking for the person visible on video surveillance images walking away from the burning car, the sergeant said.
The white 2001 Pontiac with Rhode Island plates was engulfed in flames when it was discovered by a woman on her way to work about 3:30 a.m. Monday in the back parking lot of Automatic Distributors, located at 22 Target Industrial Circle.
After the flames were extinguished, firefighters found three bodies that were burned beyond recognition. No one was in the driver’s seat, according to photos taken by the Bangor Daily News on Monday.
The person walking away from the burning car appeared in video surveillance images taken from Automatic Distributors at 22 Target Industrial Circle, an employee and Edwards have said.
Police are still interested in speaking to anyone who may have seen the white Pontiac anytime over the weekend, Edwards said.
“We’re getting a lot of calls and we still want people to call” if they have any information about the vehicle or the case, the sergeant said.
The last time Bangor dealt with such a high-profile case was in March 1988, when a Bangor man shot and killed four people, including his brother and his brother’s pregnant girlfriend, for playing music too loud on their stereo, Edwards said.
Earl J. Losier Jr., then 32, unsuccessfully claimed during his weeklong trial that an over-the-counter cough syrup he had consumed caused him to go crazy just before the quadruple slaying. He was convicted of four counts of murder the following year and sentenced to four concurrent life sentences with no chance of parole.
Assistant Attorney General Andrew Benson went to the scene of the car fire on Monday and was in Bangor on Wednesday working on the triple homicide.
Homicide. Gee, do you really think so?
Homicide the Case will not be closed these people are not the beautiful people . Like the Greenleaf case. Someone will be arrested .
Now we know for a fact. Just need to know why? As this progresses without identification and arrests, I think of the families. It must be so hard. Thoughts your way.
Praying for the families of these people. Very tragic and sad.
Maybe release the video of the person walking away?.
I am assuming the police have a good idea who the person is so don’t need to release the video. I think they will release the video if they can’t find this person without the help from the public.
Bigfoot?
I hope they get the people responsible. It is such a heinous crime. Not in our back yard.
It was in our back yard an I would reason it was committed by people who grew up in some back yard far away. This kinda thing is not a result of Maine’s climate. Maine has its problems, but nothing conductive to this kind of action. The drug problem here is a problem, but its nothing compared to places where this kind of activity is more common place. Id be willing to bet my lively-hood that if the investigation leads to an arrest, its not going to be someone from Maine they convict.
Y?
About what? I assume you are referencing it not being someone from Maine? To that I would say, wait and see… Furthermore, I fail to understand if so many people think this state is so bad, why they complain constantly and yet do nothing. Personally, I don’t believe it is that bad. If I did, I would move as I understand that other means of “change” are frivolous.
Of course, you could be sarcastically referencing my apparent inability to see that the person if plainly from RI. To this I would say, simple because the plates say Rhode Island doesn’t mean the person responsible is. To automatically assume that is a illogical deduction made from very slim evidence. Makes sense to me that the person who rented the car didn’t walk away. What person murders three people in the car he rented (presumably, with a credit card), even if he burned it out? I mean yeah, people are idiots, so Id typically believe it, but, this seems like a rare occurrence of a gang-land style hit. I doubt who-ever is responsible is new to violence of such caliber. I also doubt they’d be dumb enough to do the hit in a car they rented. Perhaps its stolen? Perhaps its not really connected to the trigger man at all?
Of course, these are assumptions. I could be wrong. I could be really dumb. Who knows?
The notion that any environmental effect on crime absolutely precludes certain crimes is not only illogical but absurd, especially those committed by sociopaths.
I cant agree. I think that a persons surroundings absolutely plays a part in their actions. It doesnt have to preclude anything. Its not like that. Its not like if you give a man a box to live in he is going to go buy a bottle of Whiskey, but it could probably be demonstrated that quite a few of them do. To suggest an environment doesnt play a large role in the development of criminals is like saying that “The poor dont steal food because they are poor, but because they are hungry.” Seems kinda redundant. And, I should like to point out that “Sociopath” is not a condition nor an accepted psychological term. In fact, its so loose of a term that it could be applied to a vast amount of people. If you are referring to the clinical diagnosis of Psychopathy, then, Id say you potentially have a point. A decent percentage of murders are probably psychopaths, but not every psychopath is a murder.
You make sense. The car was stolen, most likely.
Im willing to bet from RI..
Well let me see….man kills man and ten year old boy over drugs…shooter from Maine; man shoots man in head over drugs while playing pool….shooter from Maine, devil, is that the ‘Maine climate’ of which you speak?
According to this study: http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html in 2006 Maine was 50th in the list of violent crimes per 100,000 people.
And, according to this: http://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/ in 2010 Maine also was last on the list, in this case for reported violent crimes.
So either in the last two years Maine has become super violent, so much so that its now ranking at least half-way up various “violent crimes by state” lists (I couldnt find a more recent study) or… you are choosing to see things that arnt there and are all hyped up on the effects of American Media.
But please, tell me more about how Maine is so terrible.
Never said Maine was terrible; I said, in response to you, that there are killers of this ilk in Maine and until the facts tell us otherwise I would not assume this killing was not done by a Mainer.
However, as an aside I will say that the economy in central (Bangor) and northern Maine is terrible and there is little sign that it is improving. This fact has led to a disproportionate increase in drug use and drug crimes and, not surprisingly, an increase in murder and assault.
Guaranteed this shooter not from Maine.
well – that firefighter was killed by people from Maine in a drug deal gone bad. Out of state influence, but home grown killers
See: Bangor DailyThree from Maine arrested in cocaine case
By Dawn Gagnon, BDN Staff
Posted June 10, 2009, at 11:11 p.m. Daniel Borders was arrested in Mass June 9, 09 for traficking Cocaine…..
News
That’s over 3 years old and it’s only about his arrest so why not finish the research and tell us if he was convicted? He was 1 of 4 people riding in a car that had drugs. All 4 were arrested and booked. Some of you people need to head over to the nearest college and take a Logic 101 course. This is just another of many “Look at me, mommy! I’m a real detective!” posts. Try connecting the dots before you post the next one.
OMG! You are with the Bangor Police Department. You are trying to shut people down by your comment. OMG! This guy was a gangbanger….go find the killers!
Just how do you know who the people in the car are? No names have been released by those in authority.
read the news.
Hmmmm……
From the second paragraph of the above article:
““The manner is homicide,” said Brenda Kielty, a special assistant in the
attorney general’s office. “The cause has not been released and the
identities [of the three victims] will be released as soon as they are
confirmed.””
and the third paragraph:
“The medical examiner is still working to positively confirm the
identities of the three people, she said, adding that the names may be
released this week but possibly not until next week.”
And no mention of names in this BDN article either “AG’s office takes over burned-car case; Bangor police seek to identify person seen running from fire”
Or in this one: “Bangor woman anxiously waits for answers Monday evening at crime site”
So in which BDN article will I find the names and ages of the three murder victims Tim?
wlbz news just named two of them
And in the desperate race to “scope” each other, they just did something the Maine AG and Bangor PD asked them not to do. That is not what is know as responsible journalism.
The big dog must be angry about their actions. How would you know that? Oh, I just walked down the hall.
Civil a) you are anything but, b) and you are so far off topic it’s not even funny.
Now, do you have something on topic that you would like to add?
Cop.
Nope
Are You Andy or Barney? I thought you had to be in relatively good physical condition to be a police
officer. If you take your hands off the car again I will make your birth certificate a
worthless document! WeRLosingCivility, if you are right what kind of prize to you get…
?????
WeRLosingCivility thinks your a coppa. Just yanking the chain. Adding silly to an already hysterical blogging site. No disrespect JD , just a little lite humor in an already deep dark story. Its a very sad one at that. Do have a good day.
No disrespect taken. I thought as much. Just curious.
Try again, the third time you might get it right.
Cop.
Nope
Just because the al’mighty authorities decline to release names, doesn’t mean that we civilians don’t know some of those involved. At least those in this small part of Maine. I believe journalist are supposed to be on the “scoop”, dispite the “no comment at this time” , right by the book, cop lingo, bullcrap we hear at the conferences that is normally shoveled onto us. Some of us are not as dumb as our authorities would like to believe.
So, jd, which end of the shovel are you on?
“scope”?? They are going to mouthwash one another? I always thought the word was “scoop”.
Already addressed the misspelling but thank you anyway
I just read the article on their website, it says that the two names they listed were possible victims and the info came from a resident of the apartment. So while those two may be among the victims, it’s not like it’s fact.
The two names they gave are missing and their family and friends cannot get hold of them by phone. It could be a coincidence, but not likely. This needs some closure for the families and friends. Take the names and go on facebook and you can see what they are saying.
Channel 6- http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/210701/2/Families-provide-DNA-Samples-to-identify-victims-of-car-fire
And in the desperate race to “scope” each other, they just did something the Maine AG and Bangor PD asked them not to do. That is not what is know as responsible journalism.
How would you know that Bangor police department officer?
Hmmm…how would I know that? Well maybe because it was published in the BDN.
No, it was not reported on BDN. Liar.
OK Civil it is clear that you are very uncivil and….well I will leave the rest for others to determine on their own.
perhaps they did, none the less the names are out.
I do believe the term is “scoop” a scope would be used for a colonoscopy. No on second thought maybe you are right.
You are correct…the word is scoop
I like two scoops of raisins in every box.
Ya, and you cops hate that. Oops, that is why you are here to sweep up.
Actually I am the “Lone Ranger”…Hi Ho Silver Away!!
This actually says they left in that car at some point….not that these were definitely the people who were found inside
Two of the people who left in the car have not been seen or heard from since the party.
Why don’t you go done the hall and ask your supervisor at Bangor Police Department?
Response #1 – I don’t believe my bi-weekly pay check comes from the City of Bangor but let me check….Hmmm, nope not even from a Maine bank.
Response #2 – Which definition of Civility are you basing you screen name on?
1. Formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech.
2. Polite remarks used in formal conversation.
Children,, children no more fighting over who is right and who is wrong, who did what and who didn’t do it!! Three people are dead, families are suffering. It doesn’t matter if it was drug related or not (Granted they shouldn’t have been doing drugs, IF they were) but they were two humans with loved ones so STOP!!
If it was over drugs, it is their body to choose to do them. The only reason there is violence and death is because of the prohibition imposed by this police state we live in.
Yes, they can choose what to do with their bodies, but you are wrong about the reason for violence and death. A drug habit is EXPENSIVE to support, and unless they are super rich (think the beautiful people in Hollywood), they OFTEN steal, kill, cheat, lie, to get the $ to support the habit. You can do what you want with your body and your money, but don’t touch MINE.
Drug prohibition is responsible for the street value of drugs. So yes the drug war is responsible for the deaths. Gangland style alchohol wars ended when they legalized alchohol.
Pot puffers must like your comments.
What about the cannibal on pot, who savaged a man’s face, tore it to shreds, and pulled out his eyes with his fingers?
Talk about a bad case of the munchies, eh?
That was surely due to Cannabis consumption. That stuff will make you absolutely mad! Drive off cliffs, run naked through the streets, black men with white women, etc, etc… I sure am glad i’ve got you fine policefolks to protect me from making my own decisions!
Once again, thank you!
P.S
I think i’ve got to pee, but i’m not sure if I should. Can you help me make this decision? Where would I be without the morality police?
This is America, everybody is right and the world is wrong!
” but they were two humans with loved ones so STOP!!” What was the third body then?
Gastia would just feed him some bull . He would buy it all up and be happy. Some people are better off kept in the dark.
Why does it matter if they are with the police department? I don’t see why this is a problem unless you all have something to hide! I guess I just don’t get it…
Look at their antagonistic comments above and they are trying to guide the conversation. And no, I have nothing to hide. I’ll take a glass of wine over the drugs on the streets and the lifestyle any day.
They also seek the idenities of the people in the Greenleaf case . Ya they new that night who they were . Just saying what is released to the paper and what they know are 2 different things. I bet they know who did this already. This case is no joking matter. I am no fan of Bangor PD after the Carlson case. To bad they are so overworked ,understaffed and not in touch with the public like they wonce were.
Are you trying to intimidate people on here?
Nope
http://www.wlbz2.com/news/article/210701/2/Families-provide-DNA-to-identify-victims-of-car-fire
they have said 2 names, but it has not been proven to be those who were SEEN get in the car…
https://www.facebook.com/events/261016404017303/
The link above indicates the identity of one victim.
Great. I wonder what ever happened to those city paychecks I was supposed to get.
Not to mention your pension after 20 or 25 years depending on your hire date ;)
You and PaulNotBunyan are with the Bangor Police Department. Remember the fact people.
Which definition of Civility are you basing you screen name on?
1. Formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech.
2. Polite remarks used in formal conversation.
People, this guy and PaulNotBunyan are with the Bangor Police Department. I suggest so on the other site on this topic and it was instantly shut down. Now they are all over me. I say say speak your truth to get this tragedy resolved for the families. Holy cripe.
So what if they are with the Bangor PD? They won’t find much here. We’re all clueless.
Look, go find the Hermon High graduate that did this horrible crime. Your time will be better spent.
I don’t believe my bi-weekly pay check comes from the City of Bangor but let me check….Hmmm, nope not even from a Maine bank.
I think they’ve been sending mine to Deputy Dawg by mistake.
I didn’t get your check :-)
If we go to college will we be looked down at?
I suppose you could take courses online and use the mailing address of somebody that lives in another state.
No, just unemployed.
If only they taught Logic 101 in college!
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2009/06/10/news/three-from-maine-arrested-in-cocaine-case/
That’s not the only drug conviction in this state – I don’t see where your logic is or what point you are trying to make @OneOfTheCongreation:disqus ?
Remaining civil on this topic while refraining from using vulgar, racial slurs, name-calling and personal attacks, I will not harrass or joke about this tragedy when I state my opinion that it is most likely all about drugs. my opinion.
It’s ok, really. You don’t have to tiptoe around this story anymore. If you had said the same thing a few days ago, other commenters would have been all over you for even suggesting it was homicide and drug related. That’s because a lot of them think it’s wrong to express anything but sorrow and sympathy when a news article involves death.
Comments like Janet’s in my opinion are acceptable. If someone thinks it was drugs, etc., so be it. As long as it’s done in a respectable manner, I personally don’t have a problem with it. It was pretty irritating and saddening reading some of the posts from the previous article from people who obviously think they know it all and were stating their opinions and thoughts in an arrogant and disrespectful way. I didn’t know any of the people involved in this and I don’t care why they were there at 3am or what they were doing. Three lives were lost in a terrible manner and families are mourning. At least have a little decency and respect for the families who lost loved ones.
Yes, some comments go pretty far, but censoring comments that don’t violate the BDN’s guidelines would be worse.
I’ve seen straight forward comments generate hysterical replies, replies that are truly arrogant, disrespectful, and nonsensical. It really boils down to opinion, and there are wide differences of opinion when it comes to the propriety of comments here. The BDN reports the news, and readers’ reactions to the news, including their opinions, are what the comment section is all about, so the sensibilities of some readers should not squelch the free expression of commenters, even if it might hurt the feelings of a decedent’s survivors and friends. If readers’ feelings were the standard by which content should be judged – instead of the BDN’s guidelines – then the paper might just as well do away with comments altogether.
Like what?
There maybe a little 7 year old child who no longer has a father, maybe there are other children now parentless who can read some of this and probably will all of it someday.
Will people feel equal shame and express it with the same righteous glee if they are wrong? Or just let a child continue to think all adults are mean un-informed jerks who just wanted to ride on the “I told you so wagon?”
sorry
I know. It’s amazing how times and standards have changed.
If you read the past articles , you’ll know.
My father was out at that time every night, as was I,
working. However it’s ok to go out sometimes
if you read the past articles you’ll have an answer.
But is it ok to malign a person with zero infomation?
True or not? Let’s say your a nose picker is it ok to tell
your kids about it after you were brutally murdered in
a public forum because you were out at the time?
Is it ok for others to say you are even if they gave no
clue who you are or if it’s true? That would be mean.
Were these three murder victims out working when they were murdered?
Unti someone said they were at a birthday party none of us knew
and still yet is that even true and more it doesnt mean they were doing
drugs.
Likely these people were already demised long before the fire, hopefully,
could have been as early as 9:00 p.m.
All the same if anyone was honest, they wouldn’t want to be defamed
or slandered where their kids would see or hear , if it was them by people
who know nothing about them
Yes, I agree that just because they were out late doesn’t mean they were up to no good. There are a lot of possibilities here and one thing that particularly arouses my curiosity: I think someone interviewed mentioned that the three victims – or maybe just one of them – was only leaving the party for about five minutes. If that is so, where were they going and what did they expect to do that would only take five minutes? Have you thought about that?
To water a bush? I noticed the 3 drug dealers on my street ,people are
there for 10-15 minutes not much more than that.
It doesn’t matter what they were doing… no one deserves to be murdered.
I’ve never suggested they deserved to be murdered.
No, you didn’t and I didn’t say that you did. I simply said it didn’t matter what they were doing and that no one deserves to be murdered.
None of us know for sure why any of these people were out at 3:30 am. There are many legitimate reasons to be out at that time, i.e., working nights at a hospital, police station, radio station like the one they were parked near, they could be headed out to a hospital for an illness or injury, and yes, they can also be out engaging in unscrupulous activities. No matter what the reason is… no one deserves to die by homicide. Additionally, none of us know who is grieving for the loss of these people and there is no logical reason to contribute to their grief with mean-spirited and ugly comments. I think we owe it to the families and friends of the deceased to show some respect. It’s okay to voice an opinion or speculate as to why it might have happened but it is possible to do that in a manner that is respectful to their grieving loved ones.
I agree that there are legitimate reasons to be out at that time of night, and it will be interesting to find out what these unfortunate murder victims were doing.
Do you really think the grieving family members are consumed with BDN comments right now?
Absolutely!!!! I believe they will read every single article (and these comments) because they want to know what happened and they want to know who killed their loved one. You can’t possibly think they aren’t interested can you? Bear in mind that not every family member, not every friend is privy to getting information from police or investigators, therefore many friends and family have no other way to get information than through the news. They’re reading it, you can bet on that!!!!
Do you think the BDN should shut down comments to news articles like this, where the feelings of some readers might be hurt?
You can’t turn your back on the world. It keeps spinning 24 hours a day. Each rotation carries with it besides joy, the hurts and sufferings of millions of people. Newspapers have a duty – to report everything that happens as the world turns. They’re not responsible for the news – they just report it.
You can’t hide news under the bed and hope it’s gone when you wake up. We all have to face reality.
I’m with you, but I think we’re a minority.
I don’t hold BDN responsible for the cruel and ugly things that people say. I’m actually quite surprised that you would suggest that it’s the BDN staff’s responsibility to monitor or shut down comments in order to protect the murder victims and their families from cruel and unnecessary comments.
I hold each forum poster responsible for their own comments. It’s really not that hard for people to voice their opinion without unnecessarily injecting venom into their comment. Likewise, there is no reason why anyone should balk at being asked to be respectful to the murder victims and their families.
It’s also preposterous to imply that the only way to prevent people from being disrespectful to the deceased and their loved ones is for the BDN to shut down comments. That’s ridiculous!
Believe it or not it’s a whole lot easier for forum poster to use a little common sense, courtesy, decency and respect when posting their opinions!!! Mean-spirited comments serve no purpose.
I didn’t suggest or imply that the BDN should shut down comments to protect readers’ feelings. I merely asked the question in order to see what you and other readers thought about the issue. I wasn’t trying to start an argument, and I wasn’t expecting you to say that I was implying anything, much less something preposterous and ridiculous.
The next time you answer one of my questions, don’t try to pick it apart and look for things that aren’t there. Just read what I say carefully and follow your own advise about “common sense, courtesy, decency and respect . . .” Try to answer in the same manner as Briney did.
You said: ” Do you think the BDN should shut down comments to news articles like this, where the feelings of some readers might be hurt?”
My answer was fairly simple – NO, I DON’T THINK SO because I don’t believe the BDN should be held accountable for the ugly comments people make.
It is my opinion and suggestion that people show some respect to the murder victims and their loved ones when commenting. If they can’t or won’t do this maybe the BDN will have to shut down commenting in order to protect the victims, their friends and family. I certainly hope it doesn’t have to come to that.
Exactly!
Don’t stand by your remarks?
Forget you.
I agree with you. The obit forum exists to comfort the grieving. This ain’t it.
Carlson was made out a hero the day he died.
Well,what is your opinion?
Well said… I completely agree.
$. Root of all evil
Such a tragedy; love and prayers for all involved.
Whoever is responsible for this will probably also be responsible for bringing back the chair.
People who inflict these types of executions are very ruthless and rarely feel any remorse………………….I hope officials solve this case and I have every confidence that they will……………life is very precious ……………these criminals need to give up theirs for this crime…….can’t imagine the horror that our officers had to deal with………….it is not a picture they will ever forget…………
Life is not precious, but, if it makes you feel better, they will convict someone and they will sit in prison for the rest of their lives, unless they reinstate Capital Punishment, which, given how things are, wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
I respect your thoughts………………however, life is very precious to me……………..
Cheers. Not everyone can be a nihilistic jerk like me. Good for you, honestly.
Capital punishment will never happen in Maine,too bad but true.
Interesting statement—Maine used to have capital punishment–it was abolished after an italian sailor was convicted and hung for stabbing a man to death in Bath. A year after his execution the real killer made a death bed confession-leading to the movement to abolish the death penalty.
The last man to swing at Thomaston – and swing he did – was Daniel Wilkinson, a British subject, who shot and killed a Bath policeman.
Wilkinson climbed the steps of the Thomaston prison scaffold in 1885. The hangman looped the rope around his neck, pulled the trap door lever and Wilkinson fell feet first to his death. But instead of hearing a customary “snap” with Wilkinson’s neck being broken, he danced at the end of the rope for 17 minutes, and was strangled to death.
Abolitionists successfully cited the inhumanity of such executions and two year’s later, in 1887, capital punishment was abolished in the State of Maine.
Before this is over there probably be more bodies.
God speed to the Police.
If there are more bodies as part of retaliation, that is just plain STUPID, as is that whole mentality.
I hope you’re wrong.
godspeed is right
How would you know that and do tell.
Perhaps common sense? 3 bodies burned beyond recognition… Sounds like a great way to spend Monday morning.
Just speculating, like the rest of us.
I hope not……….and I wouldn’t want the job of a police officer……………..
Imagine having to extricate the bodies from those charred remains.
Could very well be possible. His friends are all fighting with one another on his facebook page.
I hope not.
Now, that wouldn’t be too surprising. This looks like it might be linked to something even more burdensome. Our police force will come through, like they always do.
I agree. I can’t imagine doing the autopsies either.
Neither can I!
So we got capehart involved been pretty quiet there for years good to see business is picking up there then we got hermon connection what a shocka I suspects they don’t need to release the vid they know who and what just confining the why while looking for the torch man slash triple murder sounds like some people were hanging out way over their life style pine grove cemetary was also taped off so he executes them one by one there tosses them in car torches it at automatic
where is pine grove cemetary? is that the one by capehart?? who meets up in a cemetary at that hour? last i checked people didnt hide what they were doing when they were doing drug deals in capehart
nevermind, just google mapped it. interesting….
Oh I get it, Bangor Housing Authority.
Whoa…then they have plenty of evidence from the graveyard. It was more than one, had to be which complicates the case.
It’s hard to tell for sure on google maps but it looks like maybe a fire at the cemetery would be spotted right away by the airport tower or aircraft on the runway. It’s not far at all from automatic distributors. It sounds like maybe there were worries that some incriminating fingerprints, DNA, fibers, etc. might be found. Otherwise I think they would have just left the bodies and car at the cemetery. Driving that car with 3 dead bodies back onto public streets is quite a risk at any time of day or night.
there was no tape there when we went bye there and that was this evening and for the most part as myself being a capehart resident it has quieted down alot out here except for the usual young teenagers causing trouble once and a while
It does look like it was someone he knew and actually trusted to be taken so off guard. A real sideswipe. Hope the police give the suspect’s name out so all can help locate.
“Well, it wasn’t supposed to go down that way. But they burned his brother, you know, And they left him lying in the driveway. They let him down with nothin’. He tried to do his best but he could not. Please take my advice, please take my advice Please take my advice. Open up the tired eyes, Open up the tired eyes.”
From Neil Youngs’ Tonight’s the Night.
Gotta look around people. What is your life worth?
Sympathies to those children left behind w/o mother or father, sister or brother, son or daughter, etc.
A really heart felt song, thanks for sharing. He really is a poet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlZILybC4AQ
The title of the song is “Tired Eyes” I didn’t get a chance to attribute it prior to the previous post. Although written some 39 years ago, this rang in my head, as learned about this event.
Golly Gee, there is no cime problem in Bangor? What do you call a triple homicide with a person walking away then?
Explain please they burned his brother in a deal or they killed him or is this all lyrics
they are supposed to be lyrics but he didnt even get them right
drugs, money or love
Drugs, drugs, or drugs…
Ill take Love, for 100.
Imagine a killer who probably drove all the way from Rhode Island to hide his crimes and he gets ID’d by a surveillance camera. He probably thought he committed the perfect crimes.
it was a rental car. i thought that was common knowledge by now…
There are rental fleets with vehicles from 2001?
“Rent a Wreck” They didn’t want to ruin a new car.
If I planned on killing someone and burning the evidence, I doubt Id really care whether it was a new car. Seems a bit silly to me. Could argue it was due to money issues, but my argument still applies.
Relax, Dude. As usual, it went over your head…
Im pretty relaxed, Escapee. I thought your comment was rather straight forward. I dont see how anyone could interpret that any differently. Its not my fault I am an intellectual midget. I would have jumped to catch it, but I guess I didnt see the intended meaning of your post flying over my head.
OOOOOPPPPPSSSS.
Maybe I was too hard on you. My remark about the possible car renters was meant to be facetious. I guess you just took it at face value.
aBTW those are not the lyrics to Neil young tonight the night try again
Someone needs to switch smoking materials before they attribute lyrics
this is exactly why i wanna get the hell outta bangor maine
Oh well if it was a rental car then is should me easy to trace it back to the renter. I bet that person is not from Rhode Island either….
Just go to dexter or glenburn oops poor example let’s see milli ? Actually its every where man just a matter of how much
Oh my goodness! I never would have thought it in a million years.
ok , i just got out of work
someone update me … and what is gossip saying
by the way, 2001 cars can be rentals at…rent a dent places
Some statements the police made to the reporter on Monday seemed to indicate they had no reason to believe the owner of the car was one of the victims. I saw that as a strong hint the car was already reported stolen or maybe it was an overdue rental with a “request to locate” on file. Places that rent older vehicles usually have in-state tags and rental agreements that limit how far away they can be taken. If it was a rent-a-dent it probably was rented in RI and driven here in violation of the agreement. A “request to locate” would usually include the name of the renter and any additional drivers listed on the agreement. I don’t know about RI but I’ve heard some states make them wait until a car is 2 weeks overdue before they can file a report.
Triple murder drugs capehart pine grove cementary was also taped off oh and don’t forget the hermon connect according to fb posts which I xish someone would post
I saw a porch on Center Street in Bangor taped off with yellow tape do you think that might be involved in the investigation too?
Yes it is related to this. They are not releasing anything though of as right now
Sorry that it was you that took the bait “d” but the tape was not “Police Line” tape or any “offical” tape of any kind. It was “Caution” tape that a contractor put up as they are doing work on the porch.
There is a apartment house on center street that had yellow tape around it, said police, close to St joes. Maybe i am thinking of another street
Nope….it clearly said “Caution” with black lines on yellow tape. Nothing else was on it.
I just found out that its center street in Brewer is where she saw the yellow police tape
Nope, cop different case.
Contractor “Caution” tape but thank you for playing.
So were you serious about the cemetery being taped off and it being related to these murders? If that’s true it sounds like the local news people missed out on it entirely.
Ya that came from city employee
Thanks. I haven’t seen anything about the identity of the third victim – just that this young man and woman were seen getting into the car. It could be a case of 2 people getting killed because they happened to be with somebody who was targeted. It sounds like a tough case unless they’re getting some good leads about that third victim.
Look up Dan Borders on facebook…..need I say more!
Nope! HAHAHAHAHAH. He was a tough guy. Surprise!
It’s probably best to first know the definition of “preclude”. It means “to prevent”. My point regarding psychology is that there is sociopathic behavior EVERYWHERE.
Sorry if I confused you.
Oh boy.
Gonna have to fold on this one. Nice commenting with you all!
Devil……Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do.
With all these detectives on the case, I’m sure it will be solved in NO time LOL. Let the authorities do their job folks, and show some respect for the families of these victims.
Bangor just keeps getting creepier by the day. So sad.
But Bangor has Bars for the drunks to hang out at. And the City fathers are poud of their bars.
Which bars are you concerned about? Have you been in ANY of the ones downtown? If you haven’t maybe you should before you blame them for three murders that seem to be unconnected at this point in time to ANY downtown establishment.
you protect your own even if they are wrong.
Unresponsive answer. Which bars are you concerned about? Have you been to ANY the ones downtown?
JD I could tell you stories about how more stolen stuff was fenced from behind the bar . At one of the local bars. Just put your order in and you could get what ever you wanted at 25 cents on a dollar. That may have been 15 years ago. It also helps if the owner had connections if you know what I mean. Guess when you had a bar tender who was in jail for murder what do you expect? Well maybe killing your wifes Lawyer dose not count sorry .
Going Back about 20 years ago . The girl I was seeings pot dealers gay lover was undercover DEA. Just saying it is not a perfect world . So glad I do not drink or meet women in downtown bars. I see a different world than you do sometimes.
Just because someone goes to a bar, does that make them a drunk in your eyes ?
Give JD a break he came around in the Carlson case when presented with facts. He can not help his Bias for the PD. If he was a cop he really did not see the tip of the Iceberg. Just saying maybe he really has no clue . Dose not mean he is not a decent person. I think some will go out of thier way to keep straight shooters in the dark. I think he really believe most of what he says.
Tavern, New waverly( Jimmy dose a good job keeping it under control)Judys
I think you will agree that all the bars you mention have been there for decades.
I lot of the bar crowd dose not just go to one Bar. Ya I do not even know the new bars . I saw a bartender friend from the wig and he said it closed years ago lol . I do not thik your a cop like some others I have never caught you intensionaly Lie in a comment says a lot about you. Keep up the good work. Its all fun . We can only hope things get better . Maybe som of these comments are way out of line Just saying but i bet even the Bangor PD got some tips for some of them. Not all bad it is not a perfect world.
Bangor needs a real venue. A stage, lights and sound. The bars I went to, Sea Dog, Zen, Paddy Murphy’s, Impanema, though, seemed entirely free of any murderous types at all. They were packed with music fans after Kahbang. Everyone was happy, enthusiastic, not murderous and crazy.
What is happening to our society when we have monsters on the street capable of such a horrific act on fellow human beings>….What are the Leaders of this State doing to help stop all this. We better start demanding action from these people before it’s to late.
i called it
whats that bangor? thats the gutter calling you…
We need bigger punishments for the smaller crimes that so often eventually lead to these kinds of crimes!
I only hope that Ross isn’t a personal friend of the killer, he might “tip him off that he’s being investigated”…could slow things down. Let’s hope they find this killer, lots of people need answers & closure.
I see what you did there…
A very insensitive and cruel accusation.
From what has been reported, Sheriff Ross blocked Carlson from entering the County Jail, because he was subject of a state police investigation. He told him -you can’t go in the jail. Then he told him why. Ross was enforcing the rules of visitation at the jail. No one under police investigation is allowed inside the jail, according to the rules. How do you tell a friend of many years that he is barred from entering a facility, without telling him why?
He did not have to tell him why. He chose to tell him why. This is where friendship and emotion had no place in Ross’ doing his job professionally.
Just suppose. Can you imagine being in the sheriff’s position? A long time friend of yours is the subject of an investigation and you stop him from entering the jail. He wants to know why. What would you tell him?
Ross crossed the professional line. If you are trying to say it is okay because it was his friend, then what is your level of professionalism?
You were asked how you would respond if you had been in Ross’s position. Your reply says nothing. Even the meanest professional shows some heart in his daily dealings with friends. Perhaps you have none, hence your lack of understanding.
93 Allen court . I could never forget earl and the bunch that lived in that house .
Bangor PD has been very busy lately , I have faith I know you will solve this crime.
Time for capitol punishment to make a come back ignore the bleeding heart libs just do it vote right this fall
I agree. But maybe it’s time for the bible thumping right wingers to start embracing abortion. Most of the these punk criminals are welfare offspring that would have been better off not being born. The best tax money spent is on welfare women aborting a child they can’t care for.
Here’s a right-winger, though not a bible thumper, who’s starting to agree with you on this issue.
I definitely would have been a very, very strong candidate for that if it was legal when my mom got pregnant. So you think you are God or something and know who would be better off not being born. Maybe everybody should bow down before you. We need you oh so bad because we are all lost sheep.
I never said FORCED abortion. People just need to stop getting in the way of WANTED abortions.
So it would have been okay to abort me if that’s what I wanted. I get it.
No you obviously DON’T get it. But that’s ok, because my comments don’t matter one bit. I’m just calling it like I see it.
Get your eyes checked. But I suppose you might be right that I should have been aborted because I come from a family that doesn’t meet your standards. My maternal grandpa was a tenant farmer and none of my family ever belonged to any country clubs. Forgive me.
It’s OK…don’t take it personal…PaulNotBunyan likes to take others words and tweak them a little to make you seem like a bad person for just voicing your opinion…..just ignore him and he’ll go away…nothing you say will be right
only before the age of 15 years old.
I pretty sure if the liberals could get away with it they would abort a child up 15 years of age.
If a 15 year old did this I’d say ABORT.
That’s cold
Um – and forced sterilizations too I suppose? Geeesh.
You know, as a kind and compassionate person (which some may consider a lib), I’m really starting to agree with you. Until they start punishing the lesser crimes, they will continue to develop into bigger crimes such as the ones we’re seeing lately
Looks like the front plate survived. Has that been run yet?????
What do you think? It has been days.
Bangor has to deal with an actual crime…this is going to be THE story of the year
if your still think maine has not gone downhill,see if
you can stomach these 2 maine videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvLTLcsDOGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXgeqmjv_hU
Nothing at all wrong with either.
I take it you have never viewed any real uncensored media, lmfao. A youtube vid of a parade and a amatuer rap video, stay off liveleak or any real media sites, and stick to BDN/youtube, for you would obviously loose all sanity when faced with “reality”.
you are all idiots…
Irregarless of what kind of lifestyle these victims may or may not of led no one should be pointing fingers yet and even if hypothetically speaking if it was drug related no one had the god given right to kill them epecially in a burning car. Two of them had children put yourself as a parent or grandparent aunt ext to have to explain to a 7 year old and a little baby that their parents are never coming back. Show some compassion for the families that are grieving their loved ones losses. People make mistakes don’t judge their past when it comes to regarding their future they may have had good jobs gone to school ext. So maybe we shouldn’t assume and figure out what all of us can do to help clean up our streets.
‘Irregardless’, I think the point is, that if it was in fact drug related maybe people should not be involved in such activity. This is, for sure a very tragic event where mothers have lost their children, brothers or sisters have lost their siblings, children lost their parents and friends were lost. Very sad, but a good reminder why to keep your nose clean. I’m not in any way saying that anyone deserved any of this, or that drugs had anything to do with it. Just that, though we all make mistakes, sometimes those mistakes have terrible consequence.. Such as judgement.
well stated. They get involved in the activity without blinders on their eyes. By their age they know what could happen.
True, but this situation is the most horrific this area has seen with possible drug related. It sets the bar higher and the possibility of more to follow on Bangor streets. It reeks of revenge and how sad one or two innocent people lost their life because of one or two people’s actions.
Irregardless is not a word, regardless of what you were taught.
Nobody deserves to die in the manner they did and it is horrific. I think it is a lesson to young people that if you make certain choices, there may be certain consequences.
One reason I don’t believe everyone should be allowed to vote is because some people actually thought this could be an accidental deaths
You start wondering if some people need legal guardians appointed to look out for them.
With one guy seen running from the scene, where three others were burned beyond recognition, it had to be homicide. Autopsies have now proved it.
A full report on the Posts will undoubtedly reveal whether the trio were either shot, knifed, or, strangled to death. Eventually, if not already known, drugs will be linked to this brutal crime. Fortunately, attempts to obliterate all traces of the causes of death were stopped by the prompt action of a passerby, who called the fire department.
It seems like the screenplay for a horrible Martin Scorscese mob movie – “Goodfellas,” or, some other depiction of human hate and vengence. Only now, it’s not on the screen – it’s right in our backyards. We can expect more.
It’s a big puzzle. But each day another missing piece is fitted into the picture.
homicide n. the killing of a human being due to the act or
omission of another. Included among homicides are murder and manslaughter, but
not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal
intent. Non-criminal homicides include killing in self-defense, a misadventure
like a hunting accident or automobile wreck without a violation of law like
reckless driving, or legal (government) execution. Suicide is a homicide, but in
most cases there is no one to prosecute if the suicide is successful. Assisting
or attempting suicide can be a crime.
“Attempting suicide can be a crime.”
Yep. Attempted murder.
Dumbest. Law. Ever.
If the identities mentioned on WLBZ’s site are correct, check out the FB page and photos of one of them. Based on some of these photos, it speaks volumes about the lifestyle they lived and the crowd they “rolled” with. If there is truth in this, sometimes you pay to play. Take a look and draw your own conclusions. Tragic either way.
You mean you didn’t find his FB photo’s appealing? I really liked the ones where he was looking hard.
*snicker
Would you kindly post in quotes where I have been “rude and belittling”?
And before you waste the phone call to your attorney this is a private comment board owned by the BDN. They regulate it and decide what can and cannot be said. You also agree to certain “rules” when you post which “limit” your free speech rights. But please, call your attorney in Augusta and see what they say. I wont be losing any sleep over your idle threat.
Yes , they regulate it here on BDN. You and others want to keep threatening and demeaning people, it is all a matter of record. Certainly a matter of record as soon as you type. Keep it up, build a case.
So please, show everyone where I have been “rude” and where I have been “belittling” towards you. Please I really want you to do this. I have been accused in the past and when I have asked for proof no one ever seems to come up with the direct quotes.
It is way off topic which is rule #1 for posting on the BDN website (“Keep it civil and stay on topic”) but since you tossed the gauntlet down I really would like you to follow through with the proof.
Have a good evening “Civil” I have a very early morning tomorrow.
(Edited for spelling)
You have belittled civility by: a) asking questions that he/she could not answer, b) answering questions asked of you, by civility, with truth and reason.
You have been rude to civility by: a) asking questions that he/she could not answer, b) answering questions asked of you, by civility, with truth and reason.
Just my simple observation….
I am very sad for the families of these three people were murdered. I am afraid that the reason is drug related. We have a larger drug problem in our city than we have ever had. We need to find out who is responsible for this murder and put him away , so he cannot hurt anyone else.
I agree.
this is what bangor is becoming…a gang haven. the police don’t suspect gang related crime occurs in this city buy it has for decades.
why take a look at me.
Actually “the police” do know and suspect gang activity in this area, and has been aware of the activity for quite some time now. They do keep tabs on when known gang players are in town or headed to town. This is not something they need to or advertise to the public, but it is tracked, and I CAN say that with 100% certainty. Often times they even know how many guys are coming and who they are coming to see and what car they are coming in, it is the public, not the police that really have NO idea how much gang activity is going on, and how many members are active in this area. There is gang activity from gangs that the general public doesn’t even know exist. VERY SCARY!!
I can’t figure out … why are there so many murders in Maine now? Yea, ok, drugs are a major problem but aren’t there any safe places in the U.S. where a person can live without worrying about being killed? I know some will say that Maine has a low percentage os killings, but that’s not the point, what can people do to stop all the needless killings? Outlawing guns isn’t the answer, then the law-abiding citizen won’t have a chance to protect themselves because only criminals will have them. Can’t outlaw knives either. Sorry to rant but it’s just so disgusting to constantly hear about needless murders.
My opinion is that we are seeing more and more of these types of crimes because our state is failing to punish the lesser crimes. I can almost guarantee that when they find out who is responsible for these murders that they have a criminal record. They probably served 2-3 days in jail and that was it. Increase the punishment and people might think twice about doing anything. There just seems to be no personal responsibility these days
The killer won’t be from Maine!
I guess you have more information than I do. I certainly can’t make that assumption.
not always. the man who killed mom didnt have a criminal record. neither did the guy who did the colorado shootings
There are exceptions to everything…few and far between
And by the way, I am so sorry that you lost your mother to a crime. I can’t imagine what that must be like and nobody deserves to feel your pain
Legalwoman, you are RIGHT! I agree 100%. What does a state have to do to get the lawmakers to make penalties that WILL work. It will probably never happen until one of the lawmaker’s family members are a victim, then they might do something about it. In the meantime, we have to wait.
Homicide huh? Heard also the car is white, it was a white car, plate number 583-899, and that is not, repeat, not a vanity plate.
I see you can read. You should be a detective. ;)
Pine grove is on the dead end of hammond I believe it is just beyond tba very remote on left at very end
Just go to google maps and type in pine grove cemetery. It’s clearly labelled. I went down that road a few times just to explore that side of the airport. The satellite photo shows a large building near the cemetery which would provide a shortcut via Banair Road but you can see they have placed concrete barriers at the Hammond Street entrance. It’s a fairly short trip from the party address where they got in the car to pine grove without even using I-95. It’s a very short trip from there to automatic where they torched the car.
Please post pics bangahrulz of tramp stamps )) etc
Why don’t they put the pic of guy walking away out for public to help
I’m sure they will if they need to. I think they know who it is already. Things don’t always come out as fast as the ‘public’ wishes.
Because they know who it is and we will soon. Another fine example of a Hermon High School graduate.
well glad to hear this .now to bad we don’t have capital punishment in Maine
Seems to me if these people left bolling drive with only 3 people then I would like to see if maybe places between point a and b have also caught something on their cameras Like the On- the -Run union st. seems to have some real characters hanging around at night.But again ,I’m sure Bangor PD already would have thought that.
Well from what aceman1234 posts about pine grove cemetery also being taped off they might have gone down union and then come around the airport without using I-95. I won’t assume the 3 victims planned to go to pine grove. Maybe one of the killers was also in that car when it picked up the 2 people at the party. So he pulls a gun and tells them where to go. The cops might find video of that pontiac driving by but it’s video of some other car they want most. I hope they get that.
I think the BDN needs to delete some of these comments or turn comments off for this case. People are getting unfriendly. Right now, we can all assume why this happened, but really drugs or no drugs being involved death and car fire is no reason for people to be making the remarks that they are on here.
nothing is worth a high, money or a life reguardless of anyone on this site who may think otherwise, time to wake up and see what out kids are doing to other kids, out children, their friends….ok this persona walking dancing, running, dashing, sprinting, moon walking, was someones kid, and they have let their kid play god for whatever reason. WHY? No one will ever know, y sit back a n figure it? Geografical location dont matter, N i dont care who you are, where you come fcrom, who u got, who you kow, what you are , your bank roll, job titile, wefare case manager, your just like the next born….
I certainly hope they have better luck with this investigation than the cops had with Alya!
i lived in a city with about 20-24 murders a year,drive by shootings,cold blood murders,murders in broad day light,gangs..
how does one cope living in such a city you ask? it is not as difficult as it seems
after awhile you realize, all the drug dealing ,drug murders,and gang activity is being done by a close circle of people, and as a law abiding citizen in the same city,it really does not impact your life directly, indirectly yes, directly? not really
if your a law abiding citizen in bangor, just go on with your daily life, dont even flick an eyebrow when you read about the drugs and or gang violence. you will be fine. let the bad guys kill each other….that is their world, you have your world. Thier world and your world will seldom clash, really.
Bath Salts?
i like the idea, but deer do not have guns to shoot back , gang bangers do
Are they going to release the video so we can all get a look to see if anyone can identify this man?
he/she??
Its a he they said
THIS COULD BE DRUG RELATED, DOMESTIC, WHAT EVER…WE DON’T KNOW YET IF THE 3 VICTIMS ARE MALE, FEMALE, ADULT, OR CHILD…THE LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE SO MUCH TO DEAL WITH…CASES LIKE THIS JUST MUST GIVE THEM NIGHT MERES…PRAYING FOR THE FAMILY OR FAMILIES OF THESE 3 VICTIMS…GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH BEFORE THERE DEATH.
I agree we do not know all the facts and never will. We need to trust the police . I can not say I would wait for the police if it was my kids who died and had some inside info. In the last few years I have had people come up to me and try to sell me drugs. I reported it . I can not say the police did much . It is everywhere now they can not arrest them all the jails are not big enough. I would bet they police know at least 100 drug dealers in Bangor. Most will get thier turn in jail sooner or latter. They problems we have in society can not be fixed with just law enforcement. We need decent jobs and no make i so easy for people to abuse the system . Work fare is a good idea but dose not go far enough. Make them work or no food stamps. Too many sell thier food stamps for alcohol or drugs.
You must be new or blind one it was drugs two they know where the party was three no domestic four no children and the car left the party they know who what they are just working on the where he can’t hide forever
The only info that has been confirmed by the police is that one man and one woman were in the car, and no SMALL children were. Everything else is deductive reasoning by the public. While some of that deductive reasoning may turn out to be correct, I would prefer to wait on the official word. It sounds to me like kurtjulie feels the same way.
It most likely was a mob hit, the mafia controls New England and the Keystone cops of Maine wont solve this crime or they’ll pin on some sap.
the mafia does not even know where maine is
Genius
I have read so many of the comments (because I keep going back to this article hoping for updates as well as many of you do) and I felt there are a few things I want to clear up in hopes that some of these negative comments and speculations will stop. This was NOT a mob hit, it was NOT a drug deal gone bad, it was NOT bodies brought in from out of state, it was three HOMICIDES just as the article states. The police are not releasing information about this case for a reason. They are trying to gather evidence so they can hopefully make an arrest. Everyone keeps making such negative comments about a couple of these victims. One of these victims is possibly one of my family members and we are freakin’ devastated. Reading these comments only makes it worse. He was not “gangsta” as some of you keep suggesting. Pictures that he may or may not have on his facebook page are all in fun. They are not real life or portray the person he is. I wish everyone would stop passing judgement on these victims or jumping to conclusions about what kind of character they had when they don’t know them. You think this is easy for us? We are just as anxious as the rest of you for information but we don’t have much more than you, including positive ID on any of the victims. If you can’t comment with sympathy or condolences, why do you need to use this forum to vent your negativity? Keep in mind that family members of these victims read this also and sometimes things are not what they seem. Put yourself in their shoes and think how you would feel if you were reading some of this crap about about your loved ones. Please just have a little compassion. Thank you.
Riiiight no drugs dream on honey sorry for your loss but buckle your seat belt we never know people family or non now a days nothin shocks me any more people are masters at disguise
Thank you for the information.
My sympathies to the victims families but this was definitely drug related…Im sure you want to protect your loved one but leaving a party at 1 or 2 am and saying youll be back in a few minutes says it all…i doubt they were running to the store for more ice. This is a forum to discuss the stories that are printed. If you dont like peoples reactions then dont read the comments. We are fed up with this crap in our city and sympathy has run dry for those who CHOOSE to put themselves in dangerous situations.
Tammy. I am very sorry for your loss, however, reading the blogs is not the way to find out what is going on in this case. I lost one of my cousins a few years ago to murder in florida and followed a blog inorder to see what folks were saying and maybe what some of them might know. As it turned out none of them knew anything, but many speculated about things and some just wanted to bad mouth and pertend that they had inside information. We also tryied to ask them to be kind and use judgement when speeking of the victom or the murderer which only gave them futher fuel to sling more mud in both directions……Well iin the end the murderer got 30 years to life but I spent months trying to figure out why the hell my cousin was dead and why the hell his girl friend and women he loved murdered him. I still don’t know the why just the who….
My deepest sympathies are with you. Thank you for sharing some insights.
if it is one of your family members my heart is with you. my mom was the victim in the hampden homicide 3 weeks ago and no one, no one can really understand….
I was very sorry to hear about the Murder that took your mom’s life Heidi… I hope that you are doing ok.
Nothing a real gangsta hates any worse than a phony kids if you ain’t you better stop the pretending parents should whoop their kids butts for even pretending this ain’t fun and games
Please go back to school!!!
Please, have you seen what passes for “parenting” around here? The vast majority of them seem immature self involved addicts/alcoholics more concerned with perpetually reliving high school than making sure they’re raising their own kids. They just pop em out and let em run wild, but god forbid anyone else dares say anything about their “snowflakes” behavior.
Oh, I forgot, some people have no life and nothing better to do than pass judgement on other people in order to make themselves feel better about their own pitiful lives, especially people that have died in such a horrific way. You may say, “Oh I have a life”, then why don’t you have something better to do than slam someone’s family member in the face of a tragedy such as this? Enough said. (BTW, I am a single parent raising two children on my own and I DO teach them to respect other people, teach them not to lie and steal, and punish them when necessary. Though there are some out there that do let their children run amok, we are not all like that so you shouldn’t throw all parents in the same ring.)
Why are you so defensive about mingling drugs and alcohol with parenting? It’s a horrible combination. Cyn is right about parenting these days, just look around you. It’s like no one told them that the word “parent” is a noun and a verb! Too many think the government is their babies daddy and mommy. Too many risk children’s lives and sacrifice them for the next high.
When Cyn said “the vast majority” he/she left plenty of room for me to know I wasn’t the kind of parent he/she is referring to. You on the other hand took it very personally and there must be a reason for that. I won’t venture a written guess as to why you don’t want bad parents called bad parents, or why that may offend you personally. I was not offended and I know he/she isn’t talking about me. You just gave some secrets away I fear, Ms Patterson.And although you are not referring to me either, I need to say, I have an opinion too, yet, my life is rich and happy and full and not pitiful in the least. My 3 grown children are happy and healthy. I know a significant reason for that is that we (their parents) did not engage in, nor expose them to the a particularly harsh, cold, dangerous drug world. Regardless of the truth and how this played out, I have great empathy for the families and friends of these victims, as I’m sure they were all cherished loved ones and will be missed greatly by many.
Thanks, hipbee.
Considering my “pitiful life” involves a college degree, my own house, my own business, and no baby mommas, I guess I’ll just have to suffer through it. In fairness, I do have a caffeine and cigarette addiction, the latter is (around here at least) considered worse than being a smack head, or a monkey duster, showing how backwards stuff is really getting.
I’m actually quite liberal, but even I am getting sick of what’s passing for parenting as of late. I was raised by a single mom who actually did her job, not just pilled herself out and let me roam getting into trouble with the dirtbag kids. You know what those kids are doing now? Jail time, most of them. But, she’d be considered a “bad mother” because she actually used to spank us, and while being a drugged out system abuser is totally cool, corporal punishment is a major “no-no”… Again, totally backwards, but it allows for the image of “higher moral standing”.
This area as of late is just accepting the worst traits in parents/people in general to validate their own issues. People use the term “judging” as an automatic dismissal so they dont have to allow for ANY standards, yet some stuff IS right or wrong. It’s not “slippery slope” to have SOME standards, the primary being, if you’re a parent the kid’s welfare should come before the parents right to keep making bad decisions.
Ok folks… time to stop being certified detectives, clergy, substance abuse experts. Look around and see the one very nervous person who has changed his/her routine drastically within the past several days. Maybe staying higher, longer. Perhaps gone from the ‘hood suddenly. Listen for someone’s talk about the matter…or if they don’t want to talk about it. I’m sure this person knows the net is getting tighter, with police probably getting info from some of the party- goers who will gladly tell what they saw/ heard to avoid conspiring. Maybe this person told someone not to say anything.
Then call the State/ local police and relay what you have to say. I would bet the person(s) responsible for these murders will be charged within a few days. Wouldn’t you feel better telling what you know/ saw?
The inability of some people to accept the fact that we live in a drug-soaked and bloody society is truly ridiculous.
The wailing about upsetting the families and children for even suggesting drugs and homicide, just shows the immaturity of some people who are trying to dodge and hide a major problem.
Drugs.
From Kittery to Ft. Kent – Pot, cocaine, bath salts. Smoking, puffing, sticking, inhaling, dragging, heating – what a filthy, miserable habit.
People climbing lamp posts, some running down the street pursued by dragons, witches, four-eyed, five legged monsters, bridge jumpers, strippers. Stabbings, shootings, stranglings – unbelievable atrocities.
And, the inevitable. No wonder when people see a headline and immediately tie it to the sickening side of a society gone mad. We knew this was a triple homicide from Day One. Now, we’re waiting for the formal announcement that it is drug related.
The critics of those who make personal observations about this crime and others, need a wake-up call. No one can hide the fact that Maine and the rest of the country is drug infested.
We have more alchohol relate murders in Maine than any other drug!
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You can’t legislate speculation. As noted previously, if people are “working themselves into a frenzy over this and the speculation it is causing,” then perhaps they will find it “disturbing” enough to act.
I stick by my original speculative guess that drugs are linked to these slayings. Who knows? This case might even show how extensive and deadly drug operations are in the State of Maine. That might even have Maine’s “governor” a chance to lead and try to help solve this situation.
This newspaper is crammed with stories about druggies. Bangor has been plagued with people going bananas after flooding their systems with “Bath Salts. ” Police are constantly pulling some half naked person to safety from the bridges. Police have to chase and try and calm down half crazy people screaming that bats, rats, demons, two-headed snakes, were under their beds. Behind the police station, it’s not unusual to drive by and see some poor soul half gone on “Monkey Dust” trying to climb the lamp post in front of the Homeless Shelter. Wildly screaming and insanely waving her arms, she skips off to the park.
I’ve been in bars all over the world. But the Monkey Dust swallow’ers have ’em all beat.
Why would three people leave a “birthday party” and go to a hidden parking lot so late at night? To share a six-pack? Come on – give us a break.
As for having more alcohol related deaths in Maine – I fail to see it. What we are observing in many cases is drugs and alcohol being mixed with deadly consequences.
Too bad they didn’t pull Carlson from the bridge before he jumped. Instead, it just led to a huge cover up.
Who said he jumped?
Cover up?
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Bangor was, or, still is the center of the Bath Salts epidemic. The police force and hospitals became so adept at handling the freak outs, that they were able to instruct other police forces on how to handle it.
Drugs are in wide use wherever you live.
I live in Bangor, it is shocking the number of needles that are found in and around parks, parking lots front lawn etc., both sides of the city. I found two last week at the waterfront.
We should bring the needles we find to the town hall meeting… ppl shoot up in the bathrooms at the public library too.
Doubtful. Very doubtful. A lot of people will be totally surprised if this triple homicide is not connected to drugs.
Most people in state are upset. I haven’t noticed any frenzied people, except those climbing lamp posts like monkeys. Others are locking doors, shuttering windows, and pulling the blinds. They’re also stocking ammo’ for their rifles, shotguns and pistols – just in case – someone decides to make a pharmacy call after hours.
What does that ol retro case got to do with with this… A feww kids being kids getn high, mess n off, being tough, being teens, being parents on an off night, (NO KIDS IN CAR) allparents should get a night off, but not a night off to die by this……someone playing “god” someone oplaying devils advocate. Word of mouth, news, buddies , friends, it is what it is an cant nothing ever change the moment of this , nothihng but ll the ppl who have their 2 cents, idea, motive, speculations, save it everyone has something to feed that monkey. Welfare, stamps of food, kids, babies , mother son, father , sister SOCIAL STATUS isnt crap…we all bleed the smae colr reguarless…..sorry some cant be as great as all the ppl whio continue to dig a probe…….a child, a baby, a daughter, a son, a sister….a parent….dont matter how or why…it is what it is….respect at 2012, no judgement needed…..
OK help me with my confusion. The title of the article says it was a “man” who walked away? I am not seeing anywhere in the article that states they know the sex of the person running away?
so sad… children will now have to grow up with out their parents… whoever did this was extremely cold hearted. Somebody has to know something. My guess, out of state, from a different country, motive money. the question though is how much money or product was it worth to take 3 lives so viciously. Im only guessing what the story could have been because everything else makes no sense. :( Lately the most tragic homicides have been from out of state, out of country men. i may be a little Hypocritical and sorry if i offend.
aceman1234 keeps pointing to the Hermon connection. I wonder why.
so sad… children will now have to grow up with out their parents… whoever did this was extremely cold hearted. Somebody has to know something. My guess, out of state, from a different country, motive money. the question though is how much money or product was it worth to take 3 lives so viciously. Im only guessing what the story could have been because everything else makes no sense. :( Lately the most tragic homicides have been from out of state, out of country men. i may be a little injudicious and sorry if i offend.
I have heard a lot of rumors about this case and if it is even close to what they are saying, and involving the people that they are saying it is, we are going to see much more trouble on the horizon. These people dont mess around and retaliation is pretty much guaranteed. I cerainly hope the BPD is ready for this mess. There is a bad element in Bangor and its only getting worse.
People deserve to know what’s going on. It’s bad.
nothing is worth a high, money or a life reguardless of anyone on this site who may think otherwise, time to wake up and see what out kids are doing to other kids, our children, their friends….ok this person walking dancing, running, dashing, sprinting, moon walking, was someones kid, and they have played god for whatever reason. WHY? No one will ever know, y sit back and try and figure it? Geografical location dont matter, N i dont care who you are, where you come from, who u got, who you kow, what you are , your bank roll, job titile, welfare case, manager, your just like the next born….Point is…they will be found wehter its 20 years, 10 days, you cant do something like this and walk away free and clear.
Well it is crazy for the police invovled to want us to believe that 3 people out of 4 started the car onfire and just sat in the car and let thenselves get burnt to death. Common sense is that it was a homicide. Why aren’t they releasing the picture or video all over the news and papers of the person walking away.
Maybe the video quality is so poor that the person in it cannot be recognized. Here’s another possibility, and I admit that it’s really wild and speculative and just a guess: Perhaps the police have a good idea or even know who it is and want to give him more time to do something stupid that will lead to more evidence against him- like make incriminating statements to others, attempt to destroy evidence, concoct an alibi, attempt to tamper with witnesses, or do other stupid things that will help the police build a case against him, assuming he’s their best suspect.
Reason for hermon comment is two of victums have hermon high back grounds current actually I believe
So, the third victim was from Hermon High? Because the guy was from Hermon, but the girl was not and did not graduate from Hermon High. So, the third person was a Hermon High graduate loser (ya, they just pass them thru there to move them along) who put the two who’s name are known in harms way. Makes sense why we don’t know who the third victim’s name has not come out yet.
I have to say that anytime I read posts from family members regarding articles about death, I have to wonder. It’s one thing to check the BDN for updated information about the deaths, but another to read the comments people post. If my child/sister/brother, etc. died, the one of the LAST things on earth I think I’d want to be doing would be reading blogs of any sort. I would be with other family and friends grieving and remembering my loved one(s), not concerning myself with what a bunch of strangers have to say.
sometimes it’s one of the few things you can do. without knowing much and unable to do anything is undescribable. 3 weeks ago when mom was shot in hampden i posted on here because i honestly wanted to know what people were saying. my heart goes out to the families of whoever the victims may be. i know how they feel…
i kno one of the guys that died in that car and probbably y but im not gonna say but every one has there own opinion in the matter.. RIP Luke…
so sad:(
This is sad, and i do feel bad for the family and friends that lost people in this tragedy. I do believe it was over drugs but think it is sad that this happens and I do hope that whoever did this is caught and brought to justice for the familys sake. God bless them and hope they get some answers
Who would do such a thing? Fox mentioned the car’s driver, Nick Sexton from Mass.