MEDWAY, Maine — One of the first groups formed to investigate environmentalist Roxanne Quimby’s 70,000-acre national park proposal is benching itself because of disagreement with her over the direction of the park effort, a founding member said Monday.
The National Park Regional Citizen Evaluation Committee “will become inactive” and “will no longer participate in the pursuit of a National Feasibility Study Campaign because a clear path forward could not be established,” the group announced. “We have worked tirelessly for the past six months and it has been an enormous drain on our personal lives and we are not willing to continue with this sacrifice.”
“We don’t believe the path forward being planned right now [by Quimby and her advisers] is the most beneficial for this region,” founding member Greg Stanley said Monday.
The disagreement, Stanley said, concerns two privately funded studies group members believe Quimby promised on Aug. 25 during a visit to Old Town that haven’t yet occurred. One study would have assessed the economic effect of a park on the Katahdin region. The other would have examined a park’s effect on the forest products industries within the region, McLauglin said.
“We were going to get an independent firm to do this, but it just never happened. It never materialized,” Stanley said.
Information from both studies would be critical to showing the many good things a park could do for northern Maine. Without those studies, and all the facts they presumably would gather in favor of a park, further committee member involvement is difficult to sustain, group co-founder George McLaughlin said.
“We have a whole campaign plan all developed. If we had those two studies done, we would be working very hard to convince our congresspeople that we need to take a look at this park,” McLaughlin said Monday. “We would be working extremely hard with the citizens in the area to promote the findings of the studies — positive and negative.
“I really believe that if we had the facts, not opinions, and once people see them, it would be a no-brainer for them to support this, because a park would be beneficial to the whole area,” McLaughlin added. “But until we have those studies, it would just be our opinion, and we don’t want that. We want facts.”
Quimby responded to the decision by Stanley’s group — also known as the National Park Citizens Committee — with an email to supporters that praised committee members for their “excellent work and unprecedented progress” during the last six months.
“I believe the facts surrounding a feasibility study are better understood than they were just a short time ago, due in large part to the excellent work of the NPCC and its volunteers. Many people have worked long hours in an attempt to bring our mission to fruition, and I believe that substantial success has been achieved,” Quimby wrote in the email.
“Of course, there remain pockets of resistance to our vision for a new national park in Maine. Unfortunately, the opposition, though small in numbers, are unyielding in their unwillingness to consider our proposal to study economic alternatives and introduce a diversity of potential solutions to the financial difficulties in the region. It is not surprising that the founding members of the NPCC have elected to step away from the center of the debate as we regroup and execute on our plan for success,” Quimby added.
Committee founders Bruce Cox, Stanley, McLaughlin and Quenten Clark have not disbanded the regional citizen evaluation committee, Stanley said. The group remains incorporated as a nonprofit and will meet its bylaws’ requirements to stay intact, he said. It has, however, closed its Medway office.
Stanley disagreed with Quimby’s characterization of the opposition as being small.
“They are large and growing, just because of the way the approach [to creating a national park] was done. I do think NPCC was making progress when accurate information needed to get out there, but it’s been awhile since anyone followed our lead,” he said. “I think that sometimes she gets advice from so many different people. I don’t know if some of the people she is listening to actually know what they are talking about.”
Even with that, however, Stanley said he believed that his group has a good relationship with Quimby and that she did follow its advice many times.
The committee was among three Katahdin region organizations that supported a feasibility study of Quimby’s proposal when she announced it last spring. The Katahdin Area Chamber of Commerce and Millinocket’s downtown revitalization group were the other two.
“I would like to thank George McLaughlin, Bruce Cox and the other steering committee members who have worked so hard to advance the discussion of a feasibility study for a Maine Woods National Park,” Quimby said in a statement late Monday. “I fully understand the challenges and the sacrifices that they have made. I am tremendously grateful for what they have accomplished.
“Moving forward,” she added, “we will continue to make it a priority to listen to and work in good faith with citizens, businesses and organizations in the Katahdin Region and beyond who believe a potential Maine Woods National Park will bring much needed jobs to the region and diversify the economy without damaging either traditional use or traditional manufacturing industry.”
Informally called “the Medway group” because most of its members are from that town, the committee led an effort that culminated at Medway Middle School last summer, when local residents voted 46-6 to support a study.
Exactly how the group’s inactivity will alter the national park effort remains unclear. Not much public activity among park or feasibility study supporters has been reported since Christmas, though in her email Quimby promised to “be in touch soon with exciting plans for this spring and summer.”
Aside from the town of Medway, no town, regional or statewide governmental boards or agencies have supported a park or feasibility study.
U.S. Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both R-Maine; U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud, D-East Millinocket; Gov. Paul LePage; the Maine Legislature and the towns of East Millinocket and Millinocket all have opposed a park and a feasibility study of one.
More than a dozen civic and business organizations have supported having a feasibility study done by the National Park Service, including the Katahdin Area Chamber of Commerce.
Also, a poll of 600 people selected randomly across the state by an independent marketing firm out of Portland in October found that six out of 10 residents supported a feasibility study.
Wait a minute – Why are they disbanding? I thought ole Roxy had all kinds of support for the feasibility study. Maybe they were overwhelmed with all the clamoring from people who were begging for it to be done…………NOT!
Much like death & taxes, the old bitter girl “will” be back… :-(
You better believe it!
Its ok, we already have 90% of Augusta, three out of four of the federal delegation, more and more towns making resolutions against it, over 80% of area residents against it,,,,,, what you have Dill & Pingree,,,,, yup thats something to be real impressed with… Not
We just need jobs in this region. We don’t want to control anything. The charcoal mill will provide 22 to 25 jobs at $11.00/hours. I have been told by suppliers that The East Mill is having a very difficult time so what do you want us to do. Dry up and die.
Wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
*How many jobs do you think the East mill is “already” providing or the support jobs and business that it benefits……
*When the Millinocket mill comes on line it will employ more than your being told, or more likely more than you think…!
*The current operations at the East mill are anything but difficult, and I get my information from many credible sources…!
Your Quimby manufactured info doesn’t show that her park would only employ 18 to 22 minimum rage seasonal jobs, with no hope for advancement, or benefits.
The park is dead, deal with it
East Millinocket is having a difficult time making a profit and making ends meet, I have been told this by virtually all the suppliers. This is true of every paper company in MaineLook, not liking Quimby is your perogative, I also do not agree with some of her conservation views. However it just so happens that she will provide jobs to Millinocket and the entire region. The jobs at the park will be government jobs so they will receive excellent pay and excellent benefits. we should be so lucky. Millinocket when it come on line (according to the Bangor News) will employ 22 to 25 people at $11.00 to $14.00/hour
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
Are the friggen suppliers running the mill, doing the books and talking to the customers— No
The park jobs will receive a great amount of seasonal JS and thats all…
Look there were 4000 when I came to Millinocket in 1981, now there are 300 you figure it out. You want to depend on the paper industry good luck.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
A lot more than 22 to 25 jobs,,,, wouldn’t you say
You might also include how many support jobs this creates, businesses benefitted and opportunity to expand— unlike the 18 to 22 seasonal park jobs
Let us not forget the fat old manipulative, lying, blackmailer millionaire that is at the helm of this farce…
IMPLANT !!
Yes, she certainly is like death and taxes. She is destructive and won’t leave people alone to live.
Yeah she wants to provide jobs. Your motto should be no jobs for the Katahdin Region..
Quimby, Restore and the viros want Wilderness, not an economy. They have been openly after wilderness for a quarter of a century. The one-word “jobs” slogan is dishonestly and cynically adopted as a campaign strategy to evade the nature of the Federal control and wilderness agenda. It shows the contempt the viro pressure group activists have for honesty, the role of rational thought in making decisions, and the intelligence of their intended victims.
Whatever you think they may want, is your issue. The problem is we need jobs. I am campaigning for jobs to this region. I have absolutely no ties with Quimby, Restore or anyone else. I have no contempt for you or anyone else.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
You are campaigning for National Park Service control, not jobs. If you want jobs you should learn what make them possible in a free society. Your ‘ties’ to Quimby and Restore are your adoption of the their agenda and your promotion of it.
All of them are still lying about the nature and purpose of a National Park Service New Area feasibility study, which by law and government policy is done on behalf of the desires of the the National Park Service for what they want to control. Normal people don’t need or want the government “studying” them and telling them what to think. The whole strategy of getting a government “study” has never been for anything other than a promotion of a preconceived outcome. The National Park Service and its lobby have been after millions of acres of private property in Maine at least since their big plan from Washington DC in the 1980s.
No jobs for Katahdin Region should be your motto. Why don’t we just leave the union would that make you happy.
Why don’t you stop misrepresenting what other people write.
They are not disbanding. They still believe a national park is important. Read the article.
What disbanded? Did Quimby buyout the Midway Middle School and chain them out.
awwwww what a shame.
What will happen with her office in Medway?
Tacky trinkets store maybe??
How about a welfare office to disperse heating assistance, food stamps, disability, aid to dependent children, and the other federal programs that keep the town alive?
I love Maine… Our people are some of the toughest in the country. You have to respect how old school we are, if we dont like you, we will tell you, and if we dont like your little yuppie group, we will run you out of town. Plain and simple. Congrats to the Mainers who have the backbone to stand up for what we believe in, and keep Maine the way life should be.
It is a good way to live aint it
” Stand up for what we believe in” and demand that the State and Federal government continue to subsidize individuals and industry. The “way life should be.” While refusing to lift a finger to help re-invent and reestablish an economic base to sustain the future of the the community. It is somewhat unnerving to see Cranial Rectal Syndrome establish such a foothold in the population. And see its effects cheerily passed off as a vision of the future “way life should be.’ Bone dumb stupidity, fear, delusional paralysis, at its worst. Americans are certainly better than this.
I think everyone is against the park because of Quimby and her radical ideals… A park or an addition to a park in northern Maine MAY be a good thing but as far as quimby being involved in it… Bad Idea…
Toss the baby out with the bath water. Tomas Paine was derided as a radical but has managed to sustain a deathless reputation. If this isn’t just a crutch you are using to look at yourself in the mirror,you are much to squeamish about what you are willing to do to secure a decent place in history and set a worthy example for your children and their posterity. This NP is a concept to be grabbed and fiercely em braised for your families sake and their children and instead all anybody does is whine and belittle and carp. Fiiiit!
TchTchTch! (Such poor spelling)
Leftist drivel. Thomas Paine supported the rights and freedom of the individual against oppressive government. Normal people don’t think in terms of “securing their place in history” in futile search of a sense of self-worth through imposing political controls and restrictions over other people.
How about securing your children’s future in Maine? Is that drivel too?
How is a park in the middle of nowhere going to be securing our future (Rolls Eyes). We can’t even maintain the parks we have now Sebago, Acadia, Baxter etc.. You also have better tourist locations like Bar Harbor, Rangeley, Moosehead, Camden, Rockland, OOB that has better views than this park will ever have. All this park would be is haven for black flies nothing else. What a waste of our tax dollars if we go along with this study. These parks don’t create jobs they are a jobs destroyer.
Tell that to the business owners on Mount Desert Island that Acadia National Park is a job killer. I assure you they will have a good laugh on the one.
I live on MDI, and I’m not laughing at that one in the least. You can’t make ends meet on low paying summer jobs with no benefits. Businesses turn over here on a constant basis. Take a look at the islander right now and see how many jobs there are in the help wanted section.
I bet there isn’t a single home owner on Mount Desert Island that would trade down to a home in Millinocket.
Is that an offer???
Where people prefer to live has nothing to do with the bogus arguments about Federal control creating an economy.
I was referring to property values, sir. A national Park creates higher property values for the people in the region because people actually want to live near parks. Unlike a four bedroom home in Millinocket which you can buy for $25,000 or best offer.
The context of his own discussion was the bogus “jobs” slogan.
The National Park Service does not create value. It doesn’t create anything (contrary to those who imagine that the National Park Service created Cadillac Mountain overlook the ocean at Acadia.) It only takes from some for the benefit of others. Those targeted for acquisition by the National Park Service lose their property rights, they do not get “higher property values”.
After decades of promoting the Restore wilderness agenda to eliminate
industry and private property, Quimby adopted the disingenuous tactic of
pretending she is for “the economy” as she has tried to appeal to the
few unscrupulous speculators with the Polstein mentality believing they
can make a killing with a government enforced monopoly “gateway” expense
of others and the loss of enormous amounts of land for a legitimate,
productive economy where people live and work — and which is no longer
possible with Federally imposed wilderness.
Using government power to exploit the fact that some people want undeveloped land around them does not justify the government enforcing it such as at Acadia, but is practiced all the time by the elitist preservationists like Audubon Executive Director Ted Koffman who told us that their bird habitat overlay scam taking over the property of some would cause “higher property values” — for someone else. This is the same Kelo eminent domain mentality of employing the power of government to benefit a few in the name of the “public good” for “the economy” and collecting more taxes from those who can afford the ransom. Property rights does not mean government coercion employed to “create” “higher property values”.
My house has a good enough value for me ! I don’t plan on selling even though I could sell it easily !
For the people being forced to sell their land to the National Park Service under the threat of eminent domain it has been much worse than a “job killer”.
The National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain overlooking the ocean and did not create the economy at Mt. Desert.
your nuts
Job destroyers, tell that to the people who live and work by all the other 58 other national parks.
Why dont you move and do us a favor!
I have to laugh about all this wringing of hands about tax dollars to support even a study of national parks when all that matters to so many is the tax dollar that is put in the outstretched hand to get through the week. Those tax dollars are ok right ?
Tell me if you still believe that job destroyers line the next time that the charcoal factory goes belly up and sits idle for months.
If the preservationist bureaucracy controlling Main isn’t removed Maine will continue its descent as a third-world country and won’t have a future.
that is correct
Please do your research on NP’s! If a NP was to happen in the area, in the end there would be no industry, no real jobs and no people. The Katahdin area already has Baxter!! Don’t believe what you read from the pro park people they will say and do anything to achieve their goal. I look at it like this, the Katahdin area is where I live and worked all my life, this is where we live! “Most” of the pro park people are not from the area. How is it that these brazen people insist on telling us what we want and need? If things don’t go their way they dump on your town, your people, your schools and insult everything they can get their hands on! If you would like to see a nuclear power plant in southern Maine or NH and things were not going your way, would you actually insult the people, the schools, and their way of life? If so then you are one of these brazen people. I do not despise these people for wanting a NP in the Katahdin area but I do despise the ones that push their agenda by insulting the people that actually LIVE THERE!!!!!
It already has no industry, no jobs, and no people.
It may never be what it was but the area is starting a comeback. Back off and stop acting like a baby. If the people from the Katahdin area supported a NP, you would have nothing but good to say about the people and the area. You sound rediculous…..
Is that rediculous or ridiculous? You are right, it will never be what it was because the woods have been cut by ruthless greedy multi-national corporations while the citizens were lulled into passivity by free snowmobile trails and $200/ year lease lots. Then, when the corporations couldn’t make another dime off the woods, they followed the money south, leaving the poor minions to fend for themselves. No woods, no jobs, no future. Just your sad and angry rants.
Like I said, stop acting like a baby…
OK, let’s make a NP out of the the wood that have been ruthlessly cut and they will come! Now that’s rIdiculous..
droningon lives up to his moniker every time he types . . .
ok that was funny
correct
Have you asked Ms. Quimby about the contracts she has when she buys land? Much of the land she’s bought was not scheduled for harvest but she’s offered fantastic money for the land and has allowed the owners to liquidate the timber before the closing.
the irvings are just waiting for the right moment.
I have heard that before same pasted statement. Ridiculous, a very bitter person.
We just need jobs in this region. We don’t want to control anything. The charcoal mill will provide 22 to 25 jobs at $11.00/hours. I have been told by suppliers that The East Mill is having a very difficult time so what do you want us to do. Dry up and die.
How is a subsidized toxic waste dump any different from a nuclear power plant?
If you think ‘everyone is against the park’ then you should stretch yourself and cross the town line one of these days. The opposition to this park exists within a small pocket of folks in the Katahdin area. The populated parts of the State, that will eventually make the decision to move forward with the park, demonstrate strong support for it.
No one in the “populated” parts of the state, no matter what they think, have any business forcing Federal control and restrictions on the rural people, who reject it. In fact most people outside of the area who have been push-polled have no idea of what National Park Service control means to the people subjected to it. Bangorian continues to ignore the reasons why such control has been overwhelmingly rejected since it was first promoted from Washington DC decades ago, and continuous to promote an oppressive politics of overrunning a minority with a thoroughly statist, anti-private property, anti-freedom leftist agenda to be imposed by a mob. These radical activists who refuse to leave people alone are worse than stalkers.
You appear to be paranoid about the us government, very sad
Freedom from your political oppression by a Federal preservationist agency matters very personally to your intended victims, just freedom mattered very personally to those who founded this country. Your smearing people as “paranoid” for rejecting your intrusive control over other people’s private property and personal freedom only reveals what a power-seeker you are. You are not the superior intellect that you pretend to be. You are either ignorant or dishonest about the nature of National Park Service control, which many of us have experienced first hand. Rejection of your oppression is not “paranoid”.
You are paranoid about the federal government. It is not the big bad boy you make it out to be. I served 13 years in the Naval Reserve and was a full lieutenant when i left. I also carried jet fuel to Vietnam during that war in merchant vessels. I am not ignorant, a superior intellect, or a power seeker so watch your god dam language. I strongly believe in personal property, but I also believe this region needs job badly. Not liking Quimby is your choice, but give the people of this area a chance for a job it has nothing to do with suppression of any personal rights.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
My language is precise. It doesn’t need “watching”, it needs you to read it and pay attention. Your post is not responsive to what I wrote. Knowing what National Park Service routine abuse is from direct experience is not “paranoia”. Your disregard for civil rights is appalling.
We can not simultaneously have government preservationist control and private property rights. Needing something ‘badly’ is not excuse for the control you want over other people, enforced by the Federal government. You are a power seeker. You have no superior knowledge entitling you to impose your views on others in the name of “need jobs” or any other slogan.
Let me see i was against Quimby before i was for her i believe that was you.
Thank-you for your service! The federal government is charged from the US Constitution to provide for a national defense; regulate inter-state commerce; and manage our foreign relations. I don’t see Parks in that document. They are good and I am thankful for the ones we have, but we’ve come to a turning point and we cannot sustain federal spending on non-essentials and non-Constitutional items. Sorry –
And you sir live in a little green enviro world that produces nothing, just like the Government .
The only ‘overwhelming rejection’ has come from a couple of small towns, in the immediate area of the park. The big cities that will benefit, all along the I-95 corridor, are overwhelmingly in favor of the park. And there are more people in those cities who will vote for the park when the time comes. Sorry that you don’t like to hear that, but it’s still true.
WRONG AGAIN!! No wonder you think this park is feasable, you live in a fantasy land.
The radical agenda for a Federal takeover of private property has been thoroughly and overwhelmingly rejected across the state for good reason since it was first promoted almost a quarter of a century ago. National Park Service control has a long record of abuse in Maine and across the country. Normal people don’t ignore that and will not put up with it. The political manipulations by power-seeking viro leftists out to overwhelm the victims of their agenda through propaganda and Quimby’s money and Washington-insider connections are reprehensible. Your constant mantra calling for ‘cities’ to overwhelm a minority to be sacrificed to your demands are morally disgusting. Get out of other people’s lives and stay out.
She destroyed her chances of her park when she went on her tirade attacking Maine and its people being a Welfare State, that we are all lazy , fat etc.. It showed even Liberals what she is an ignorant elitist who is trying to ram her views down our throats. I see her park not happening anytime soon if at all. I eventually see her getting nailed with taxes to the point she sells her land to developers. She is getting the same tree tax relief that Liberals claim Poliquin gets.
She has no views except that she owns the land, and can make life very difficult for the Katahdin Region, if she so desires.
She does have “views”: she is a 60s counter-culture radical who opposes private property rights, industry, and post “European settlement” civilization. She is into “metaphysics” and is an ideological wilderness fanatic. Her owning land is not a “view”, but she has made it obvious that she is throwing around her money and Washington insider political connections to make “life very difficult” for those in her way. Normal people rejected the National Park Service Federal takeover scheme long before Quimby was involved in it, but despise her for her for her arrogant threats.
Poliquin qualifies for the tree growth tax program; Quimby has openly acknowledged why she does not by proclaiming her intent for the land is to remove all possibility of management for productive use forever under Federal preservationist control. Her elitist tirade was only one example of the contempt the left has for the people it wants to rule. It didn’t so much show the liberals that she is an “ignorant elitist who is trying to ram her views down our throats” — they already knew that — as it embarrassed them with with such an openly revealing public display.
That is correct
Wrong it is not a small pocket in the Katahdin area. I do not live anywhere near there. I think Quimby is the bad idea.
They tried to take over 10 million acres of private property in Maine when this scheme was first heavily promoted beginning in the 1980s. That is a lot more than a “few small towns”. Many of us have experienced the heavy boot of the National Park Service and other such Federal agencies going after our property. Quimby is herself a bad idea, but she isn’t original even in that.
BULL!! I am from Windham and I have no use for this park. In fact I can think of about 34000 people from all over parts of the country who are against it. They are called the MSA.
Isn’t it ironic that burning fossil fuels for recreation contributes to global warming that contributes to mild winters with no snow which contributes to no sowmobiling?
Guess you haven’t seen the snow in Alaska(18 feet)? Or the fridgid cold in Russia(-22)? Ask them how they feel about “global warming,” the other most over used term by liberals. The first one is bigot.
Not long ago the radical Enviro’s called it global cooling, now its global warming like Quimby none of them can be trusted this is all an agenda to shut down our industry’s and depopulate Northern maine !!
So you don’t drive a car ??
Oh, that’s it. Yeah, Windham. That’s a crappy little blighted section of 302. Nice business district you guys have.
And why are you posting in the Bangor Daily all the time?
Doubt it. Facts are starting to pour out of the wood work around this state and I believe common sense will prevail. Just say “No” to the federal involvement. We are blessed with the federal government controlling 1% our land at the moment. We don’t want them owning 15%.
NoParkForME :-)
Its funny how things don’t go your way and you continue to call names. Fear? stupidity? or perhaps just bone dumb stupidity! Go visit Baxter, you will like it..
I agree. People come here because its MAINE! We are different and we like it that way. If you want your strip malls, condo’s ect…. Go south the Maine boarder awaits you and N.H. will allow you to pass into Mass. Enjoy, we like our old boring ways…
We just need jobs in this region. We don’t want to control anything. The charcoal mill will provide 22 to 25 jobs at $11.00/hours. I have been told by suppliers that The East Mill is having a very difficult time so what do you want us to do. Dry up and die.
No jobs for the Katahdin Region is very stupid and self serving
If you dont like it in the Katahdin Region you can move away !!
What’s it feel like to be in the minority?
did you vote for lepage? if so you should know
Well I tell ya when a majority of posters on this issue pounce on rational economic analysis as a clear sign of mental instability or worse I have to reserve any regret I feel for the back woods tapioca’s who are in such dire need of economic help and are so enthusiastically shunning it . So don’t worry. I’m good.
hehehee,.. “back woods tapioca’s”…. where do you get this stuff?
You make as much sense as a red squirrel crossing 128 in rush hour… hang it up, your roadkill!
tell us how you really feel
Why do you think the state and federal should help create jobs when they are the ones who opened the door and help industry leave?
Whose going to work in an industrial environment when people have the attitude they should start a job they know nothing about as a boss , too good to do such menial physcial work at a huge salary and yet still have problems tying their shoes when their 30 years old
We are tired of out of staters coming to Maine and the first thing they do is try to turn Maine into the place they just moved away from ! Maine is different than other states and thats because WE WANT IT THAT WAY !
If you wanna go through this life with your heads tucked right up there, fine, but why should we all have to pay for it. Thats the flip side to all your whining about the alleged budget busting cost of an NP. As opposed to shelling out for millbilly welfare? With an NP everybody would get a real shot at something positive in the whole northeast not just your bunch of deranged tree and mill huggers. I swear you think this handfull of jobs, should they ever be realized, will work some kind of magic for you. Time to disenthrall yourselves and leave fantasy land to your drug addicted .
Have you noticed the pattern? — ‘this is so nice let’s just take it over and stop the locals from mucking it up’.
American defend themselves. Get the preservationists out the way with all their government controls and the economy will take care of itself by people free to act and produce. Stop dragging people down with a preservationist bureaucracy imposing controls while circling like a vulture, disingenuously pretending to be for “the economy”. Big Park doesn’t want an economy and it doesn’t want “diversity”; they want wilderness imposed by Federal force to prohibit everything else. They want the land and to destroy property rights and don’t care what they do to people to get it.
If Maine is the way life should be, and so many minions want to live here, why can’t we keep the schools open? Even the Chinese won’t send their kids to this backwater.
“Minions” do not want to live in rural Maine, they want to control it on behalf of the Quimby/Restore wilderness fanaticism.
the state is full of drug users welfare loafers,sex offenders,and people that burn their houses down because they are too dumb to use safety
and people are FAT in this state
maybe you were talking about another maine?
“Toughest in the country.” ??
Says who?
“…if we don’t like you…we wil run you out of town.”
That’s not “the way life should be,”…that’s called being isolated and surly.
It means politically running you out in defense against the assault on people’s rights. Get out of other people’s lives and stop pushing people around and you won’t have to worry about it.
We’re just saving you from yourselves. And, more importantly, saving the environment from yourselves.
Thinking that a national park represents “big government” is just so overly dramatic. What WON’T you be able to do, that you were doing before?
You have no business “saving” anyone from himself. It is more of the arrogant, tyrannical mentality of the left pushing other people around as if other people had no right or ability to think for themselves and live their own lives without your control-freak impositions. In particular your misanthropic preservationism is not more important than human beings and their right to live on earth as human beings with what you regard as evil “footprint”.
For all your arrogant insistence that you are so much smarter and better than those you want to control, your are still too ignorant to recognize or dishonest to acknowledge how the National Park Service employs the raw physical power of the Federal government to push people around, seizing private property and imposing restrictions in the name of “protection” and subordinating individual human beings and the economy to what it deems to be the “nationally significant” — all of which is why you want such Federal control to impose your misanthropic wilderness preservationism. Your eco-statism has no place in this country or any free society anywhere. You are a direct physical threat.
Stop pushing the “like” button you think we are stupid. Go back to your make believe life and talk to Clint Eastwood Mr. Toughy
What a lout this one is.
High unemployment, high welfare, and high drug use amongst the young… “The way life should be” Not for me and my family!!…pay check to pay check is not really the American dream….A home, a savings and retirement account, and a job with health benefits….Thats the dream we should all be haveing…By the way, I just shot my first squirell of the year…(really a tree rat…)
I guess the “pockets of small resistance” were just a little too much for Quimby’s massive park support.
Quimby Land is no more,,,, deal with it…!
“CLICK”.. That’s the sound of padlocks on gates.
Dont care, got my own land, and plenty of space for all to enjoy—
Thats what you call a Maine Thing………………………………………….. :-P
yep and plenty others around me who ain’t ggoing nowhere
Never been nowhere and ain’t gggoin nowhere.
Sorry for you .I have been blessed to have seen much of this country and quite a bit of a half dozen others.One things for sure been most of the world over and there aint no place like Maine.
Hope to never stray to far from here again.
Maybe you could take an adult ed class and learn how to spell? Or maybe learn the difference between “to” and “too”? I’m sorry for YOU…your ignorance is showing.
No your showing your ignorance hes speaking from the heart
No dron, your ignorance is showing. Did you give up on the park thing?
tad bit aggressive eh
I have my own land too, and plenty of it. I guess that’s why I have no sympathy for the city slickers who want a park.
But yet, Roxanne describes us to her fading followers as “pocket resistance”
Though small in numbers, Roxanne is now realizing “we will never yield”
The old bitter girl may have stomped on area residents, but we stood our ground, and sent her packing back down south…!
I don’t think you sent her packing very far, you guys think you have won some big victory. You haven’t, she and her friends will be back stronger than before. in the grand scheme of things the whole bunch of us up here are just a small dot on a map to them and our comments pro or con mean diddly squat to the powers to be that will usher the park into existence when the choose to do so.
Much like her, you really have us underestimated….
Remember BIG A All the Way, The enviros have been running the show all along, I don’t agree with it, but I am not so naive to see what the past has presented and the future holds for the area. It is just a matter of a few years and it will be all over. there will be nothing left here but more vacant homes and allot less people. They have played and planned this well since 1978.
And they have been trying to get this park in for almost as long.
The old girl can spend as much money as she wants, but “we the people” are never going to give up.
You can embrace the beast, but the majority of Maine doesn’t care much for Quimby or her park.
I don’t have you underestimated at all, I am glad that you are standing so strong for what you think is right. I don’t think most of you know what has been talking place behind the scenes for the last 40 years, and it is going to be extremely difficult to defend what has already taken place. Look at the land sales and swaps that have taken place in the name of public lands, look at the almost million acres the Nature Conservancy owns half of that being in the Millinocket area, easements, scenic view sheds, scenic byways and the such. This has all happened while we were in a stupor of good paying jobs and free land to use. We are just starting the big fight, the enviros have quietly been fighting for forty years. This is going to be like talking a knife to a gun fight, it is going to be difficult.
No, we understand all to well the size of the beast, its history and the money behind it.
We know that its not over and they will be back, but they know that we have the will of the people and the willingness to go “publically” toe-to-toe with them….!
“Knife to a gun fight”,,,,, it just makes it more interesting
Very generous of you.
My generosity ran out years ago. Especially to liberal losers who expect others to provide a place for them to recreate, a place for them to live, feed them, support their children for them, you know the drill.
SNAP….That’s the sound of bolt cutters.
Snap, the sound of hand cuffs?
She already has most of her land blocked off.
Dont count on it.
Thats the best that you can come up with…..
No wonder the Medway Mensa Morons gave up, you guys are just sooo friggen special it gives a whole new twist to Homers Doh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khSIYmTzt6U
Hate much? Does it make you feel alive?
Defending what you believe in is not hate
Any belief or thought not held by those on the left are considered hate speech now. Newspeak.
She owns the land, It will no go away.
It will when she sells it like she did her building in Portland.
Neither will we give up our land, nor will we ever go away—
And there is a whole lot more of us than she can push intimidate, blackmail, or out vote—
All of you added together don’t have as much land as Quimby. You can’t give up your land because you don’t have any to give up.
Yea but their land is actually worth something. Hers is not even worth the leaves we would use to wipe our….
An orchestrated sham vote that we will have the real answer
to when a proper vote is done. Promises
were made that were nothing but lies with pretty ribbons tied on them. The real
truth and real facts are being exposed at an exponential rate each day…. this proposed
park was built upon a house of cards whose foundation was replete with lies, coercion,
and even extortion. Now we begin to witness its fall.
yup
Are we talking about the Republican caucus?
Ms Quimby. Start npaying your fair share of property taxes..Please.
You must be a Democrat Liberal
Hey Bubba…they don’t come much further right than me..Sorry, guess again.
You must be a Judgemental.
you must be a redneck conservative
Oh, you mean like the state Treasurer, Bruce Poliquin. Tree Growth anyone?
You mean bruce the hard working capitalist being slandered by the far left because he was successful before being by the guv to serve his state.What is it about success that enrages you on the left so
He’s a weasel.
Don’t know him but as with most hes probably an alright fella
He is paying his taxes. The left is apoplectic because he dares to not pay more than he has to.
Ms. Quimby is claiming this tax relief herself on all the acres she has. She also is using it as bribe to get loggers and paper mills in Maine to support her park. So she better be forking over her share of tax money as well.
There are about 1500 people in the Town of Medway……46 votes was not a clear representation of the citizen’s of Medway and issues they believe to be within their best interest. It really does take a village.
That has been the average vote at every town meeting and special election held in the last twenty years or more. People should really get involved with all of the many town issues not just the one of fifty that comes down the road. There was nothing illegal about it.
Hopefully her gate will be determined illegal just like the gate she put up in Elliotsville Plantation. Court ruled she could not lock people out…
Now it would be nice to also see a vote of the Katahdin Area Chamber of Commerce MEMBERS. Like Medway, they have a few people speaking for all of them. It would be interesting to see the real count of MEMBERS rather than the trumped up vote from the board which is controlled by the Polsteins and a few other pro-park people.
What are you people afraid of. People in Bangor and the entire state laugh at this stupidity. We have a 22% unemployment rate and we are fighting a park that would provide jobs.
Wilderness is not a substitute for an economy. The viros don’t want an economy, they want the land. People are ‘afraid’ of the Federal restrictions that make life in a free society impossible. Get rid of the viro bureaucracy and the Maine welfare state control mentality and people are free to create their own economy.
I can’t respond to that as it has no meaning.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
I’ll put msscv’s words in easier terms for you then. A park will stifle the economy in the region and will create a net loss of jobs not a gain.
Good luck with that reasoning. Tell that to the people in Bar Harbor.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
Try your “reasoning” with the people trapped inside the acquisition boundary of Acadia National Park and see how far you get.
Do you think that the National Park Service takeover at Mt Desert created Cadillac Mountain overlooking the ocean? Do you think that the National Park Service created the local economy there? Do you think that low-paying seasonal jobs around the National Park Service is an “economy” at all?
It is more than clear that the rights and freedoms of people suppressed by statism have no meaning to you. You don’t know or care. You have a fantasy that bringing in big government will somehow create prosperity despite the failure of statism and its suppression of freedom throughout history all over the world, and despite the stated goals of the preservationist pressure groups for decades to impose wilderness over millions of acres in Maine in order to remove industry and private property rights.
That has happened with no help from a park.
The park is coming. The Katahdin area is only one unstable mill away from welcoming it with open arms. Give it time.
In your dreams the forest economy is on the rebound, you and your government worshipers can go back to your black hole and leave the good people of Northern Maine alone, we can take care of ourselves, we will survive and are better off without Quimby and people like you!
I’d be in favor of leaving Northern Maine alone. Do you realize how much of our State GDP is being gobbled up supporting the economic wasteland that is the Katahdin region? The park offers a way out, but many seem to be too blind to see it. (not that it matters, because the park will come anyway – there’s too much Statewide support for it).
The National Park Service is not a “way out”, it is a way down — further into the economic abyss created by the preservationists’ controls.
We can take care of ourselves so long as some corporate entity from away comes in and creates jobs for us. Other than that we’re basically just as helpless and dependent as we have always been
Loogan Ninnyhammer
That’s just it. You don’t take care of yourselves. You live of government entitlements and then you act like children when someone comes along who wants to develop their own land. You folks make me ashamed to be from Aroostook.
You should be ashamed, but not because you are from Aroostook County!
If you are from the County you are not half as ashamed to be from there as we are of you.
I wish you would spend as much time getting off government hand outs and drinking as you do thinking up lame insults for your fellow posters. Now that the Republicans control the budget your going to see that government check getting smaller even for those who deserve one.
A forest economy needs a forest. The forest in Maine was cut down decades ago.
Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Are you unaware that trees grow back and that Maine forests have been cut and regrown several times? Are you unaware that trees are still being cut and regrown, and that the forest products industry is a major portion of the Maine economy?
Take care of yourselves? We bought you a toxic landfill last year for $17 million dollars. What will you want from us this year?
…
The viro pressure groups have done everything they could to destabilize
and drive industry out of Maine, then they have the unmitigated gall to
pretend that their massive wilderness ‘eco-system restoration’ agenda is
on behalf of a civilize economy.
The viro pressure groups have done everything they could to destabilize and drive industry out of Maine, then they have the unmitigated gall to pretend that their massive wilderness ‘eco-system restoration’ agenda is on behalf of a civilize economy.
coxcomb blooter
In 2009 we found out that 34% of all income earned that area came from direct government payments. That’s almost double the national average.
Instead of attacking Quimby the people at the gates to the north woods should be thanking her for helping you bums get off welfare and back to work.
Whether it’s welfare, a national park paying employees, or the government propping up mills with loan/grant payments, the economy is ALL government, all the time, anyhow.
That doesn’t mean we have to have the government own all the forest land, however.
That is a fact for sure… But I’d rather see my cousins up north working for a government check then sitting around drinking and living off of welfare of one form or another.
There is still an economy despite the government restrictions and intrusions, not because of them.
Amen brother. They are what they profess to abhor and deride.
You are aware government payment includes Social Security which individuals paid into, military retirees, who served their country and earned their retirements as did other retirees who held government jobs. You are aware Maine is one of the top two “oldest” State in the country. To correlate direct government payments to a comparison of national average is very deceptive if you do so in a general term as you did. By the way, Maine gets more snow, on average, than the other forty-nine States…. In your mind, does that make snobums out of Mainers?
Income support for the poor is 3,4 % of all income in northern Maine The national average is 1.9%
Unemployment insurance is 1.38% in northern Maine the National average is 1.1%
Medicaid is 7.27% in Northern Maine the national average is 3.1% of all earned income.
Medicare is 7.61% of all income for northern Maine and 4.1% nationally.
Social security is 10.67% . the national average is 5.6%
My point is the people of northern Maine should stop sucking up to the Wall st crooks who shipped your mill jobs to Brazil and China. The people of Maine should be looking for ways to get back to work. The Quimby park would create thousands of jobs and have zero impact on the charcoal mill.
Lord Windermere, “The Quimby park would create thousands of jobs and have zero impact on the charcoal mill”. Are you serious?? You guy”s will say anything…..
Take a drive down rt 16 in New Hampshire some time. Then come back and tell me how mush they hate having all those jobs and thriving businesses… Or is that the real problem people in Northern Maine have gotten used to living off of the government and don’t want to give up their tax payer financed alcoholic life style.
They have a National Park in NH? News to me! I always thought it was a National Forest.
Any chance those thriving businesses are there because of a) proximity to the Boston area, b) multiple ski mountains within a short radius, c) attractions like StoryLand and Clark’s Trading Post on the other side of the mountains and d) miles and miles of outlet malls (which if someone proposed to build them near the Katahdin region, the envirowackos would throw a hissy fit)?
Nah, couldn’t be.
You really don’t take yourself seriously, do you?
Well you folks had better stop your malingering get to work if you want to build something as nice and the White MT national forest.
Unless of course you feel it is too much work and you might lose your excuse for staying hammered all day.
And don’t forget then absence of anti-development bureaucracies such as LURC.
He is correct, there will be no impact whatsoever except it will provide jobs to a needy area. The charcoal mill will provide 25 jobs which is good but a 11.00 per hour is pittance.
Way better than you’re going to get with the ridiculous park idea!!!!
Really got any better ideas, that will provide employment. If you don’t like Ms Quimby that is your opinion, but don’t punish the Maine people who need jobs.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
Yes, go back and look at all the other times this question was answered for you.
THOUSANDS OF JOBS???!! Are you for real? What jobs would that be? Maybe a hotel will open up and some woman can make 8/hr with no benefits to clean the rooms. Maybe a gas station will open up and a couple of people can make 9/hr selling beer and soda. Do you think the people of that area are trained to work in a park? Do you think the Feds will come knocking on locals doors looking for a 100 people or so to work in this park? How many people who work in Acadia are from Maine? And speaking of Acadia, do you really think a park in the woods can compare with the natural beauty of the Maine Coast? Do you really think it can compete with that, along with Baxter State and Mount Kathadin? Or the beauty of White Mountain National Forest?
Ever wonder why Maine is the “oldest” state in the U.S.? Could it be because the younger folks have all left for the opportunity to find gainful employment elsewhere?
And so you think they will come running back if we build your fantasy park? And old folks come to Maine because they want a quite peaceful retirement where folks are friendly and they mind their business. They DON’T want people like you and Roxy shoving a park, or anything else, down their throats.
Friendly? Not hardly !
So what jobs will be provided for these people? How many of these local folks that you call “bums” do you think the Feds are going to hire to run this park? How many great paying jobs are going to come from this? Everyone talks about well-paying factory jobs, well what factory is going to come if a park is there? All that will come are low paying seasonal jobs in stores and hotels. And the land owners will have to make up the difference in property taxes once the Feds stop paying. The Gov gets land tax free in case you didn’t know that.
Look at the towns around Acadia and the White mt. national forest. Those areas have benefited enormously from tourist dollars brought in by their parks.
Gas stations, restaurants, hotels, retail stores and all the companies who support those industries will hire new help in order to cash in on those tourist dollars.
If you own real estate in the area your property will sky rocket in value just and like the Pinkam’s in New Hampshire, smart people in the area can make millions if they work at it.
However no one is going to want to visit the gateway to the north woods if you good folks let your selves be dominated by that bunch of spite filled alcoholics who currently call the shots in Northern Maine.
Really? So two towns have benefited Ellsworth and North Conway. Both towns filled with 9/hr part time jobs. Have you ever traveled the back roads of these areas? Like Eaton, NH, or Milbredge, Maine? I have, and I have seen the living conditions. Ask those folks how well those parks are doing for them.
Well Caroll county NH gets 19.11% of all it’s income from Government benefits while Picataquis is getting 33.88% of all income earned is coming from the Government. Hancock county Maine gets 22.2%.
Sounds like both of those regions have benefited greatly from their parks since neither area has much else going on.
Caroll County has North Conway, Hancock County has miles of coast with a major contributor to jobs in Bucksport. And would you please provide a link to your stats. I searched diligently for these numbers, but imagine I could find nothing.
Maybe something like Jackson Lab, its not a factory but they are good jobs. I think a NP would attract allot of business.
Ya..OK
…
I don’t think they have even gotten started. The park is coming!
Keep smokin’ it droningon, it must be good stuff.
When all is said and done in this particular case, and throughout state, it has become crystal clear to those who plan to bully their ways through that the citizens of Maine
a) are more insightful and intellegent than these thugs give us credit for
b) have a healthy distrust for major projects initiated and supported by the federal government
c) respect the resolute declarations of the Founding Fathers that the larger the governmental agency,
the greatest degree of sceptical admonishments be present
d) respect the indiginous peoples of the lands in question
e) will not allow vast expenditures of money by carpetbaggers to distort our sense of justice
f) will continue to respect and serve the great state of Maine in ways best for her everlasting self
interest and for those who call her home. Ken
LMAOOTF…Your ignorance is hilarious.”Insightful and intelligent”; explain how the Kathadin area is going to offset the loss of millions of dollars in tourism revenue from the National Park, raising taxes? Does the esteemed Millinocket Town Manager have any ideas?”Healthy district for major projects”: good thing the federal government put those dams in the early 20th century, the area would have gone through most of the early part of the century in the dark.
“Respect the resolute declarations of the Founding Fathers that the larger the governmental agency” – Jefferson didn’t want a large centralized governmet but Hamilton did. Both agreed, though, a centralized government was needed and abandoned the Articles of the Confederation for the U.S. Constitution.
“Respect for indiginous peoples of the lands in question” Oh! You mean the Indian tribes we ran off in the 1800s.
“Carpetbaggers” were associated with northern “public servants” who headed south for government jobs after the Civil War.
“Sense of Justice”, what exactly does that mean. What is your sense of justice as opposed to justification for not having the park.
“Everlasting self interest” in case you haven’t notice the paper companies don’t own those big tracts of land anymore. They are being sliced and diced into kingdom lots.
Dear Independent Mainer
Thanks so much for you comment. It’s always great to hear oppositional arguments, even when misguided. Ingeninous people who I referred to are those presently occupying this land in question, the colonial leaders of whom you speak often supported a centralized governmnet but always encourged questioning their motives and mistrusting their intents – thus the checks and balances put into place. I define “justice” as a policy that reflects the interests of a majority, respects the rights of the few, and allows local juris to determine the outcomes of proposed policies and expenditures of soverign land i.e. Maine. I’m not certain that the people of this state want additionally public lands to spread beyond current paramaters, but if in the affirmative would probably want a system owned and controlled by the state of Maine and not by those “from away” whose values would contradict what is so wonderful in this area. Thanks again for taking the time to address these issues. Ken
You appear to have a real problem Ken. I guess Maine would be better off leaving the union.
So what is his “real” problem you mention? All you have done is slander Ken, and given no rebuttle. Of course we understand you are in the minority so you feel the need to come out swinging, but treat people with respect. By the way, he has 30+ likes and you have 3…just sayin’.
Your ignorance is profound. You are probably a very successful person with plenty of $ to come up with those statement.
Dear Igreen,
Thanks for your comments. It’s always interesting to hear from all viewpoints, even when they resort to calling you names. Just to clarify your assumption, I am currently living on a small teacher’s pension and my Social Security. Though of modest financial means, I DO consider myself a successful person as I assume everyperson is when I first meet them. Thanks again for your response to my posting. Ken
We just need jobs in this region. We don’t want to control anything. The charcoal mill will provide 22 to 25 jobs at $11.00/hours. I have been told by suppliers that The East Mill is having a very difficult time so what do you want us to do. Dry up and die. Look we are fighting for our lives. We have no economy and you are hurting our efforts to try get jobs for our families.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
Please stop crying redsquirrel1
small group!
Het Nick!
Here is Roxy’s response that was posted on AMG’s website;
Hello folks,
I am reaching out this afternoon as you absorb the information that the NPCC is disbanding and the Founders and Steering Committee have resigned.
I am sincerely grateful for the excellent work and unprecedented progress made by the management and committees of the NPCC during the last six months. I believe the facts surrounding a feasability study are better understood than they were just a short time ago, due in large part to the excellent work of the NPCC and it’s volunteers. Many people have worked long hours in an attempt to bring our mission to fruition and I believe that substantial success has been achieved.
Of course, there remain pockets of resistance to our vision for a new national park in Maine. Unfortunately, the opposition, though small in numbers, are unyeilding in their unwillingness to consider our proposal to study economic alternatives and introduce a diversity of potential solutions to the financial difficulties in the region. It is not surprising that the founding members of the NPCC have elected to step away from the center of the debate as we regroup and execute on our plan for success.
Take comfort that many national parks have been created within an environment of passionate believers doing what they felt was best at the time. The proposed Maine Woods National Park shares this history with other parks that Americans love and share. I truly believe that one day we will look back on these times and feel proud and fulfilled that we have set aside part of our expansive northern forest for generations of citizens to respect and enjoy as equals.
We will be in touch soon with exciting plans for this spring and summer. Thank you all again for your freindship and support.
Roxanne
Next time go to where the news is!
http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/quimby-giving-not-likely
Amen
Quimby’s response evades that they are engaged in political infighting over a failed campaign. Quimby herself has not given up her attack.
While we have Quimby on the ropes, your right, we do have to remain ever vigilant
why would we need a national park in the area when we already have a great state park? i think this is a horrible idea, i know a lot of people who use this area for recreation which it would no longer be open to.
Unfortunately the Great Northern Paper as it was known is never returning. The original GNP owned not only the mills that made the paper but they owned most of the forested land in Maine which they harvested with their own crews thereby controling the cost of the raw product they needed. In addition they had built and operated their own hydro dams to generate the power their mills required. All that remains of this massive ( by Maine standards) enterprise is the antiquated mills and the outstanding work force they left behind.
The dams have been sold off so the mills must now buy their power on the open market. We all are familiar with the cost of electricity.
The forest lands have been sold off and are not what they used to be. For you see the once great forest was clear cut in the late 70’s and 80′ s as part of the dismantling of GNP and our forest industry. Most of what remains today is brush land. When I was young they never cut a tree unless it was 10 ” in diameter breast high. Find me a tree 10 ” breast high today. You might want to start your search in Baxter State Park.
The mills of today will in all likelyhood never be more than shells of their former selves.
If the residents of the Millinocket area want the NP idea to go away they should embrase the feasibility study.
Ms Quimby will continue to own the land and most likely place it in tree growth. And as the owner has the right to restrict access. You may want to learn the word compromise because the access we once knew disappeared with the old owners.
The state of affairs north of Bangor are sad at best. Where once the forest and agriculture provide more work opportunities than could be filled there is little left. In addition what little manufacturing left in the 70’s.
What is left is a strong work ethic and an independance little know in our nation today. The area needs real employment opportunities to even maintain what little remains. Is the NP part of the answer? I do know that answer but jobs serving bugers or Walmart goodies to each other is not going to work either.
A feasibility study is not what you think it is; http://preservemainetraditions.com/feasibility-study-whats-the-big-deal/
Way cool, Ralph, way cool! Your analogies aren’t particularly analogous but they certainly are slimy. They won’t put food on the table though, no matter how much fun they are.
I live in Central Maine, and I don’t want another park. Where the hell does RQ think the money’s going to come from for another Park? The National Park Service is operating on a bare bones budget as it is, and I don’t know why she thinks that the NPS is gonna turn her property into a national park when you can drive down the road and go to Baxter.
It always cracks me up when she says she wants to give her land away
so it can be shared with everyone. Shared? Really?
When she booted the lease holders and burned their camps the last thing I would call it is “sharing”. Or when she put up gates everywhere denying access to landmarks that people had enjoyed for generations. That’s not sharing either.
Yes I know it’s her property and such, but so far the last thing I would call RQ is a “sharing” person.
No jobs for the Katahdin area. Jealously will get you nothing. You are definitely a very bitter person.
Jealous? Now that makes me laugh.
Why is it whenever someone states the TRUTH about RQ’s hateful actions her fans will make stupid comments like “you’re jealous” or “you must be on welfare”?
Because that is what liberals do when faced with the facts. They resort to lies, crying and name calling. Like they used to in 8th grade when they got stuffed in a locker.
LOL! So true!
Ban Roxanne from Maine….
“Open for business” door swings both ways
By Doug Rooks
Published on Sunday, Feb 12, 2012 at 12:12 am
While the Appropriations Committee was struggling mightily to do the near-impossible – avoid devastating cuts to the state’s Medicaid program proposed by Gov. Paul LePage – a report on jobs came out that was equally devastating.
Based on U.S. Census reports, the Maine Center for Economic Policy says that Maine was one of only six states to lose, rather than gain, jobs in 2011, and that of those six job-losing states, Maine’s performance was the worst.
That’s right. We’re 50th – last — again. And this time, these are real numbers, unlike the Forbes magazine report Republican candidates used in the 2010 election to hammer their rivals, which tries to project an array of economic variables onto the future. The Maine Department of Labor has questioned the baseline number used by the Census, but has not offered an estimate of its own about job losses.
Maine’s unemployment rate has been below the national average throughout the recession, and still is, though the margin is slipping. But more important than the rate is how many people are finding work, and the numbers are discouraging.
Overall, Maine lost 1.2 percent of its jobs in 2011, a year in which recovery began in 44 other states. The net loss of 7,200 was led by the state and local government sector, which was down by 4,200, or 4.8 percent. Most of those jobs belonged to teachers. After three straight years of declining state funding, layoffs are occurring across the state.
The construction sector, which should have staged a comeback, did not. It lost another 1,600 jobs, or 6.1 percent.
17
what is wrong with you??
I like how you conveniently left this part out:
“A recent analysis by the Maine Center for Economic Policy claims Maine lost the most jobs per capita of any state in the nation in 2011. The Maine Department of Labor, however, is disputing those findings, saying the federal data the center used is FLAWED.”
Rooks is an old leftist from the now defunct Maine Times. He is an ideologue with no objectivity and no credibility.
McLaughlin, should know there are a lot of FACTS out there, I guess he and the his group do not want to see them. Or could it be that some have a petition up in Medway?
These people want to use the freedoms of the United States to take away our freedoms.. Quimby ought to go to Haiti and help the people there..
What will Roxanne’s legacy be? Division, vitriol, lying, extortion, a
suicide, and a firing. Please do all of
us a favor – put your tail between your legs and leave Maine. No matter how you dress up your park idea, no
matter who you put in charge of it, Maine doesn’t want it. Period. When is no going to mean no??
Why does Ms Quimby appear to have such chapped lips in all her pictures?
Why are you looking so intently at her lips?
Its always the same Pic for the last two years…just zoomed in or out. Is that Eugenes head in the background ??????:)
She needs some Burt’s Bees Balm…
“Toughest in the country.” ??
Says who?
What are you talking about? Did you smoke your breakfast again? I saw your little reply to me the other day, and your very lucky the posting was closed down. You are a sick individual who needs a life. One that provides for you, instead of one we provide for you.
You should probably get in touch with your “less crazy” side.
Your just plain crazy. But if your smokin’ the same thing your other park pals are, I can see why.
She is all about smoke and mirrors!
We just need jobs in this region. We don’t want to control anything. The charcoal mill will provide 22 to 25 jobs at $11.00/hours. I have been told by suppliers that The East Mill is having a very difficult time so what do you want us to do. Dry up and die.
And by their own statements the park will create 25 jobs…those will be seasonal, pay 8 bucks an hour and have no benefits whatsoever. You certainly will dry up and die with a park!!!
We are already drying up and dying with no economy what so ever. Yeah right, tell the park rangers at Acadia that they are only making $8.00/hour. They work all year, excellent benefits and an excellent retirement. What world do you live in. Tell all the people that live and work at the other 58 NATIONAL PARKS that they only make $8.00/hour.
Subject: [bdn] Re: Medway group formed to support Quimby park feasibility study disbands
Awww, so sad to hear that Roxy has pi$$ed off more people. She can’t even keep the people on her side happy. So what do you think now LGTV, Dude, bangorian, dronigon? What garbage are you going to pull out of the can now to try and stink up your side some more? Hey Roxy, maybe the gentleman you sold your building in Portland to, for a loss by the way, will give you 50 cents on the dollar for that useless property you own now.
There is enough information on National Parks as their is
8, 9, 10—- and its all over…. the residents of Katahdin have beaten the fat old bitter millionaire from away…!
Somehow I doubt this will slow this women down.
Individuals, politicians and groups like the Maine Woods Coalition (and many, more) will always be there to resume the fight… ;-)
http://video.machias.edu/livearchive/2012-02-08-conlogue.mp4
You would be right about that. She’s invested 50 million dollars. Think she would walk away?
I don’t think this will be the end of Roxxy. She probably has another way of getting this park. The people should be seriously thinking if this president is not re-elected, before he leaves office he could and probably will put the park in under the antiquities act. Think about it, obama appointed her to the national park board of directors. The president can allow the park without local approval or the congress. Be aware of Roxxy she is not finished yet.
LTGV: “We’re just saving you from yourselves. And, more importantly, saving the environment from yourselves. “
You have no business “saving” anyone from himself. It is more of the arrogant, tyrannical mentality of the left pushing other people around as if other people had no right or ability to think for themselves and live their own lives without your control-freak impositions. In particular your misanthropic preservationism is not more important than human beings and their right to live on earth as human beings with what you regard as evil “footprint”.
LTGV: “Thinking that a national park represents “big government” is just so overly dramatic. What WON’T you be able to do, that you were doing before?”
For all your arrogant insistence that you are so much smarter and better than those you want to control, your are still too ignorant to recognize or dishonest to acknowledge how the National Park Service employs the raw physical power of the Federal government to push people around, seizing private property and imposing restrictions in the name of “protection” and subordinating individual human beings and the economy to what it deems to be the “nationally significant” — all of which is why you want such Federal control to impose your misanthropic wilderness preservationism. Your eco-statism has no place in this country or any free society anywhere. You are a direct physical threat.
He doesn’t “just” believe that the area “needs jobs”. He is a statist who imagines that big government will ‘somehow’ take care of him and provide “jobs”, despite its economic failure throughout history all over the world for reasons that are well understood. He fantasizes that the radical Restore/Quimby agenda which he has uncritically adopted for wilderness “eco-system restoration” over millions of acres will create a Garden of Eden utopia with “jobs”.
?????????????Where do you get that from— Its been proven that we either have a park, or we have woods industry.
Quimby’s people have even failed when they said that wouldnt happen..
Hate, yes hate for those that want to destroy the woods industry
I take his word for it that he is “unaware” of any connection between rights under political freedom and an economy that produces jobs. He doesn’t give a damn about the National Park Service Kelo-style taking of people’s private property if he imagines it creating “jobs”. He has on Orwellian mindset that Federal control from Washington is not control and that the National Park Service’s long record of abuse of people’s rights must not exist because he imagines the constitution preventing it. His snarling smear about those who reject his fantasies as needing “meds” illustrates the contempt that Quimby, Restore and their lieutenants have for those who think for themselves and don’t follow orders to believe and do what they are told.
The “issue” is the National Park Service trampling people’s rights, which this ignorant lieutent of the Quimby/Restore movement could care less about and threatens to repeat through his advocacy of bringing more Federal control to Maine.
Aaah yes they did, you seem to have tuned out and chosen to believe the Quimby’s line of BS
There it is for all to see. He thinks the National Park Service created Cadillac Mountain and the coastal economy, and that the property owners whose land is being taken by the National Park Service under threat of eminent domain would gladly consent if only they could hear his “reasoning” that this is creating “jobs”.
This is the ignorance and trampling of rights of the Kelo condemnation mentality. It poses a physical threat to all of us under the increased government controls he wants. But he thinks that only means we are “paranoid”, on “meds” and “smoking something”. Those who have been personally subjected to the abuse from this apologist for the National Park Service obviously reject him.
He hasn’t “heard anything else” about what help the area because he refuses to relinquish the preservationist bureaucratic controls and has admits he is “unaware” of any connection between freedom and an economy that produces jobs.
Normal, principled people have been successfully “dealing” with the “issues” of the threat from the radical preservationists trying to get the National Park Service to take over millions of acres of private property in Maine for decades. Lgreen48’s unprincipled ignorance allowing him to join a movement of such power-seekers while he personally smears the intended victims makes him no one’s “friend”.
I live in the area, I have a real good job, and I don’t cry and complain like you do !!
And the only way my life would improve is for Quimby to leave the state !
out of town or out of state?
Just drop the discussion with him; once he starts telling you that you need meds, he’s lost his cool and not thinking clearly. Save your energy for another battle. You won this won.
You are living in a dream world !
You and the VERY FEW that live in this area that want the park can just go away !
No wonder you hotel has no business….your attitude !
Are you saying that lgreen is the owner of Baxter park Inn
Move to Bucksport we don’t want you here !!
The good chance for my friends is for her to go back to Mass.